Finally, someone who actually talk about her energy restoration capability and how good ER on her to sustain damage in most combat situations with EL. Not another nuke build who "suffer from success" by oneshoting enemies but unable to perform smooth rotation since it fails to fill her burst gauge for next rotation/waves. Thank you!
@@one-eyed_tempest yes, as long as you have decent amount of ER on her. Many CC think that 200% ER is more than enough for her. That's not how it works against single enemy that barely gives you any particles like world bosses, PMA or energy draining mobs in enkanomiya.
@@one-eyed_tempest yeah i think so too. I'm trying to min maxing my build since i got EL by watching guides only to get frustrated by most CC who think that 200 ER is acceptable on "updated build". her damage source is basically when she use her burst. without smooth rotation, it's just dps lost. I'm just glad that iwtl, who actually know that F2P raiden shogun is good back then (despite the beidou drama) is also know how important ER stat on her.
Something interesting regarding the r5 Catch and Skyward Spine--the catch's burst percent boost, when multiplied with its base attack, actually goes up to about the same base attack as the Skyward Spine, so at base, the burst is doing the same damage. The Catch comes ahead slightly on the burst thanks to slightly higher ER, but the attack speed buff on Spine can also allow for some 2-hit normals before doing a charge attack, rather than 1 in your burst attack rotation, still getting the same number of charge attacks off. The Skyward Spine's crit and higher base attack also buffs up your E, which is something the Catch doesn't affect. Otherwise the two of them for all intents and purposes are incredibly similar in performance, I'd say even closer than the numbers predict. I personally moved my Catch to Xiangling and put one of my Spines on Raiden.
@@meechtree5795 Yeah, but just to avoid oversimplifying it: An R5 catch offers +32% burst damage (and 12% burst crit). 1.32 x 510 base attack = 673.2, but only for bursts. Meanwhile the Spine has 674 base attack and 8% crit (on everything). At base they're nearly identical. The extra tiny 4% more crit on the Catch, and slightly more ER makes for like a 1-2% improvement in burst damage over the Spine on both chars. If you have both, the big thing is Xiangling is almost entirely centered around her burst, while for Raiden to be honest it's definitely worth giving up that 1% edge to get benefits for your E and for your attack speed while in your burst. So while the Catch does outweigh Spine for xiangling, it's by an incredibly narrow margin, while the opposite is true for Raiden (due to her relying on more of her kit).
@@pfdcalanao I'm too lazy to do calculations, but Jade spear would be better used on another character besides Raiden. The passive benefits on field dps units, and in most team popular team comps for Raiden (Raiden + Eula or Raiden National), Raiden is swapped out after her skill or burst. Jade spear does have the benefit of high base attack (674 at lvl 90) and crit rate (22.1%), but the Catch at R5 (510 base atk and 45.9% ER at lvl 90, plus 32% increased burst dmg and 12% extra crit on burst) is overall a better option, unless you're running main dps Raiden 😊 Death match is another good option; it has a general passive and at lvl 90 it has 454 base atk and 36.8% crit rate.
Only IWTL could convince me to watch a guide video on a character I already have and know everything about simply because I like the vibe of his videos lol
id like to point out that any %dmg comparison between the catch and engulfing lightning heavily depends on your amount of ER bc of the engulfing lightnings passive, i.e the difference in dmg between a 200% ER raiden with a r5 catch and a r1 engulfing lightning is much lower than 27% (about 15-17%). Also for the catch users i believe the recommended ER caps at around 220% and attack sands is arguable the better choice given you have over 200% ER. Anyway great video as always!
No, recommended ER doesn't cap at anywhere, when I personally ran a lower ER build it just made her battery less effective, just enough to ruin rotations (national team or other teams vs the mechanical array, huge energy issues due to single target boss). Recommended ER caps at wherever you personally find her rotations comfortable to work with. 250 is still a good target. 300 ER is the soft cap for emblem set so you still have plenty of room before diminishing returns becomes an actual issue. It's just that on engulfing lightning you don't really face diminishing returns on ER anymore (up to 300).
@@Meverynoob Mb i didnt specify that 200% ER should be enough for her to battery herself (have her burst on cooldown). I have her on 223% and i have no energy issues in either hypercarry raiden comps nor national variations using her as a battery, keep in mind you cant neglect your other characters ER just bc u have raiden as a battery. According to KQM the difference in energy restoration during her burst goes from 20 energy at 200% ER to a potential 24 energy at 250% ER but ofc you should run enough ER on her to fulfill you personal needs, specially if you need to battery your team and not ruin your rotations
I was able to get C3 this time around, then with 40 wishes left I sniped engulfing lightning from the weapon banner. I have never been able to do so much damage so easily in the overworld. Just Bennett and Sara, and I get 300k, I'm so happy.
@@Laylaisyourfriend as if artifacts aren't totally random 😂 I've been playing since launch and don't have a single "good" set just ones that are workable
21:31 I really admire that about this channel, you don't believe what other content creators do and really finds the best in new characters. Like recently about Yae Miko it was really hard to find guide videos without the content creator calling her bad, but your vids you already respect the fact that she's not even crowned yet by most and I think calling her a unit same level as Xiao and still able to do off-field damage is a compliment.
You did pot of hard work there, i really appreciate that. Great work, i don't have her and don't even want her but still watched your whole video. Great job
Is there a reason why you didn't include Wavebreaker's Fin in the weapon section? I actually prefer it over The Catch since I'm able to get more consistent and higher damage from it. Both are also R5.
I'd imagine Dendro on Hydro would do some sort of "dehydrate" effect that drains x amount of health. x being anything really I just think that'd be a cool concept
I think dendro+electro would be "paralyzed"/"shock" which will stagger enemies/ make them vulnerable and unable to move for a certain period of time. This is more of a utility reaction. If they make the reaction dmg based then I think the multipliers would be- electro + dendro = 1.5x dendro + electro = 2x
Yeah but electro would powercreept all elements if that happens since their scaling are high enough even without reactions. Except keqing since she is much more suitable for flashy playstyle instead of oneshotting bosses
Yo that would be cool n stuff. And if that is the reaction effect happen,electro finally get some huge buff. Or like person above me said electro-dendro reaction = DEF Shred.
After 7 months of camping emblem, I’ve finalised a solid build for her. R5 Wavebreakers Fin, 70/144 Crit Ratio, 250 ER and with electro dmg goblet. She’s been helping me 36* star abyss since her release.
Best banner I've rolled on so far honestly. I Got Raiden the first banner run and I got her c2 yesterday for 70 pulls. Edit: i used all my remaining primo gems and I don't regret it one bit.
homa beats out wavefin by 1.06% damage - basically the same like you said. the gap gets wider w/ more team atk buffs though as wavefin provides atk% while homa provides crit damage, scaling better
I decided to use Jade Spear when I pulled for Raiden but it just didn't feel right so i switched over to an ER weapon like Skyward Spine and it fixed all the issues I had. Both Spine and Catch are incredible options if you dont have the Engulfing Lightning.
To this day she's the only limited 5 star I would spend all my hard earned primos for c2, best value imo, that is if you already have a good solid team and just looking to make your team stronger
@@Mephist2 Kazuha is definitely worth pulling but I would choose c2 Raiden than a c2 Kazuha, for me c0 Kazuha is already complete as he is, well I'm no expert just my opinion
@@chioreka True, base Kazuha is already great as is . But C2/3 Raiden is a different beast . Easily one of the if not the best investment if you wanna feel how a 5* character's ceiling's like.
Hoping to C2-3 her this time around. I had enough to C1 her so far, but now it’s a matter of luck and winning the 50/50 by the time the banner ends. Since Bennett and Kazuha (when I get him) are going on my Diluc team, I was thinking to run Raiden with Sara (currently C5), Kokomi (with ToM and TTDS) for the heals and EC, and Sucrose for the res shred. Hoping that’ll work out!
Try Switching Sucrose to Diluc Team with a TTDS and Kazhuva on Raidens Team I know that'll make One team More powerful than the Other But that Depends on the Supports On Diluc's Team I currently Main Diluc with Sucrose and It's so fun to Use But That's just My Opinion....
Wait why kokomi? You can run raiden hypercarry with bennet and kazuha, also sucrose is better with diluc because if the extra em, she can comfortably replace kazuha there but It'll be rather awkward to use with raiden
I'd suggest you to put Kazuha with Raiden and Sucrose with Diluc instead, it makes way more sense cause sucrose EM buff helps Diluc vape, but EM on Raiden is near useless, even in an EC comp. The DMG% bonus is more valuable.
Thank you so much for the guide! I’m thinking of pulling her on the next banner tho. ): I really love your videos and even share them with friends who have a lot of questions in mind!! Looking forward for your next videos 🤍 (Lowkey question: is there gonna be another ayaka guide?)
Got my beloved eternal shogun from C2 (first run) to C3. With engulfing lightning and C6 Sara she has everything to be the goddess on my account. I love her dearly and your chart was so satisfying to watch.
@@MetroShock hoyolap says I did 450k in abyss with raiden but I am not sure if this is the best I ever had because I look hardly at the numbers. I went in there and made 1~2 fights and that's it. Argh I hate to farm her domain though. She nevee get's any good stuff. I did equip my yae, childe and hu tao with stupid shimenawa though...
@@aliceszanari9510 Yeah I know how you feel. I spent literally September to December farming that domain religiously for my raiden. It took a while but payed off on the end. Now my raiden is sitting at like, 59/144 CR/CD, 2.2k atk and 298 ER. I gotta work on my crit rate now that I don't have the boost from the Catch anymore but it's still pretty freaking solid.
Raiden/Eula/Rosaria(C6)/Kokomi. You can either go support Kokomi to boost Raiden/Eula with Thrilling Tales + Tenacity , or you can use offensive Kokomi with protoype amber + ocean hued clam and create 56k bubble bursts. Lots of 5* so it's not f2p friendly, but it's a very fun set up to play, especially since the team has no down time because someone's burst is always active.
I think I will try this team out! My Rosaria and (new) Kokomi aren't built but sometimes in abyss I want to give Albedo and Zhongli to my Hu Tao team, and I recently got C6 Rosaria too. If you don't mind me asking, what artifacts are you running on your Rosaria?
@@spyrothetimelord Blizzard Strayer has been my go-to. It's pretty easy to boost up Rosaria's crit rate to increase her bursts dot damage thanks to the various ways of which she gains additional crit from talents/resonance/artifact buffs/C1 bonus damage, but in order to transfer the max or near max amount of crit (which is 15%) she'll still need a lot of crit at base before buffs in order to do so. The more crit Rosaria can transfer, the more room you have to wiggle more crit damage into Raiden/Eula.
Can make it even less F2P friendly by replacing Rosaria with Shenhe. Her tap E will buff elemental skill and burst damage, while her burst provides a 10% phys and cryo resist debuff. Her burst also has a larger radius than Rosaria's, and, if you have her at C2, very nice uptime. I run atk/cryo/atk for this on Shenhe.
@@Axterix13 I'd probably do that for fun if I pulled for Shenhe, but I skipped her banner because I already had C6 Rosaria at that point. Shenhe needs constellations to beat out Rosaria in a Eula team, since Shenhe doesn't provide as much physical shred. That being said, I'd still totally do it if I had her lol. The team is already pretty heavy on the overkill as is.
I got my first raiden shogun yesterday and she is already maxed out with catch and talents. She is really a strong character but having a tough time paring with beidou
They don't synergize well so it's not advisable to pair her with Beidou. Depending on what team you're running and what constellation your Beidou have, you can use Beidou to another on-field character other than Raiden. And if you have C6 Beidou, you can use the last half of her burst duration to reduce the Electro Resistance of the enemies for your Raiden. Lightning arcs won't proc, but you're still buffing Raiden's burst.
my raiden has like 1.6k atk and around 250% er. atk sands and electro goblet. should i switch to er sands and atk goblet? cuz i wanna up her er for the rational team
If she ever becomes a bad option as a main DPS, she's still a fantastic support and burst DPS that could go with any number of teams. Even a C0 can really fix energy recharge problems for a lot of teams. Outside of meta, just the ability to trigger that many reactions with her E skill is a huge talent.
I have C3 Raiden w/ R1 EL and C6 Sarah, and I couldn't ask for more! She's my ultimate carry in the game. Raiden Shogun is everything! Nuker, driver, support, and aesthetically pleasing with her combat and skill animation - okay, i'm totally simping. Highest burst shot that I got was around 600k+ (I don't have Kazuha T_T yet)
appreciate the update to the shogun stuff =) it would've been nice to see the damage% increases with sara and bennet's atk buffs tho because R5 engulfing, sara C6, C3 shogun is obviously going to do a lot more than 300k as well as adding in kazuha / anemo shred venti
Hallo, big fan of your work! The math, especially percentage differences, really helps me to decide what's worth going for and what's good to have. My question though would be - is there such a thing as too much ER for Raiden? Math-wise I see that R1 Engulfing Lightning tops out at 386% ER but I've also seen comments that anything above 260% is unnecessary, whether for the Emblem or Engulfing buff. Do you think there's a point after which high ER starts giving diminishing returns?
Raiden is soo packed with utility and damage, making her the best and most versatile unit in the game, she is amazing. tbh she is the BEST unit in the game right now, she covers all biases, support/sub dps/ and main dps. if you dont have Raiden, get Raiden
@@Hasaiki12 top 5 is "best". in this game that a character have each role, if you want to refer best is one and only, then say the character you choose. i'm sure someone will find a flaw that make him/her not "the best"
Lost 50/50 and got mona on 84 pity, but thanks to my 20 days of f2p grinding b4 this banner, I had 10k primos and used it all. Got raiden at 66 pity and got c5 benett.(didn't have benett b4 this) Insane luck on 4 stars tho, got 6 benetts and only 1 xinyan and 1 diona.
@@zawardo111 nope, I'm f2p. But I am a fairly new player with 20 percent exploration rates on a lot of places on the map😅. Added with spiral abyss, shrine of depths,quests, world quests, story quests. In conclusion, I did a fair amount of grinding
@@zawardo111 and fyi I didn't start hardcore grinding until the last few days b4 raiden's banner, which on those days I averaged around 4 to 5 wishes worth of primos per day
I got lucky during Raiden’s first run and got C1 so I specifically chased C2 this time. I’m hoping that during her next run, her weapon will be paired with another weapon that is actually useful to me. (After having to go all the way on Epitomized Path for Jade Spear, I’ve been scarred lol.) I’m saving for a Kamisato sibling now but someday I’ll get my Raiden to C3 with Engulfing Lightning. It’s what she deserves. ⚡️
You should've talked a bit about Wavebreaker, I got it on staff of homa banner r5 and it really does perform better than catch because of its high base atk and awesome passive
True, the er problem can also be solved by using er sands and focusing on er substat. Using wavebreaker will also solve the atk problem since you dont need to use atk goblet and instead use electeo goblet since wavebreaker already gives tons of base atk and atk%
I got Raiden c0 and her signature weapon in her first banner and now I have two more. (+ Sarah c6). an upgrade game changing, I went from doing 200,000 damage to 450,000 and more (maybe I can reach 500k).
Sitting at a c2 raiden from first banner after watching your video you inspired me to maybe try for c3. 20 wishes later I have 3 more xinyans. I feel so dirty and I blame you for it 😜 Seriously though you do a remarkable job on your videos . Despite this setback you are one of my favorite content creators. Keep up the great work
She is my main since she was released, she was the first character that I saved up primogems for and for the second time. Managed to get him c3 while watching your video just now. Got her weapon day one as well. The only thing I'm still trying to get is the last constellation for Sara. I have a few other 5* characters(Ganyu,HuTao,Shenhe etc I've been way too lucky) but Raiden is by far the most fun to play. I spent around $100 so far on Genshin since launch,I don't think it's much but it's a matter of perspective.
1 thing i wanted to ask, w/ her high energy burst, isnt the wavebreaker's fin better than the catch for her burst dmg? u can easily times 2 the burst dmg on the catch if u run her w/ a party that has high energy cost for eg: Xiangling, bennet, raiden n Xinqui in a team wud be around 90+80+80+60 energy cost, w/ a r4 wavebreakers fin u get abt 65% burst dmg bonus, w/ much higher base atk... on paper it seems much better, but i dont see u mention it on the list, so i was very curious to know the reason y it wasnt included
I run raiden with an r3 wavebreaker because the catch is on xiangling. if you manage to have enough er it is a very good weapon. r1 wavebreaker is already comptetitve with r5 the catch and pulls ahead with refinements. it's a shame no one really talks about this weapon. the catch is "better" because it is f2p and helps with the build, but if you manage to get enough er/crit rate wavebreaker is a super viable alternative.
@@msmcboi3128 You lose Electro Damage and also Burst Damage, because Emblem of Severed Fate also uses energy recharge. Wavebreaker's is a no no unless it's high ref against catch r1 or r2. Also, the amount of energy she regenerates for your team is based on her own energy recharge
R5 wave breaker is better but lower refinements are about the same, you mainly want catch on her but in rational if you don’t have dragons bane for xiangling, you can run catch on xiangling and wave breaker on raiden.
@@mahabharat156 you can simply just use er sands and focus on er sub stats and it definitely won't be the problem. applies to all crit polearms like pjws, homa, wavebreakers fin, deathmatch...
I will have to say that you were a lot more reserved in this video than your other ones. I hope you are doing well and are not letting content creation be a pressure on you. we love your videos but we also care about you, iwtl. take care.
got her to c2 during this banner and sara to c6. at talent lvl9 with 2065 atk with wavebreaker fin r5 and only 110 cdmg she reached an amazing 370k burst dmg. wavebreaker at r5 is less than 2% worse than homa r1 when above 50% hp, which you always will be in hypercarry or rational team. can't say anything about engulfing since l haven't pulled that weapon. In any case, Amazing video and can't wait for more !
I had 160 wishes and close to pitty but lost my 50/50 to Keqing, but I was still able to get my C0 Raiden to C2 😤 Still need one copy of Kujo Sara for C6 tho 😔
@@perm1thurple581 I was scared when I pulled Keqing, then got Raiden at around 60, and after like 50 got Raiden again, it was super lucky that I won that 50/50
I was expecting you to include the Staff of Homa, I’m still using it since it deals more DPS than my R5 Catch. I’m still hesitating to either pull for her signature weapon or just save it.
I dont think its worth risking getting the donut instead, besides even tho EL is definitely an upgrade its not a gamechanger at r1 like staff of homa imo
Never heard that, EL r1 is like 40%-30% or so more dmg than r5 the catch, so wavebreaker doing more is just stupid, specially with the casualties running that weapon has
@@user-qx1id1dt8x 30-40% of The catch, thats right BUT, first things first, wavebreaker has higher base atk of 620 and then you would be running raiden on atk sands, passive on R5 is at max 80% burst dmg more , which is possible with miko on team, but in normal team like hyper raiden with sara bennett sucrose/kazuha u get 74,4%/69,6% more burst dmg, its more than 2x the catch passive. I dont know what weapon u were thinking of, but it probably wasn't wavebreaker fin R5.
Just got her c4 with 180 pull (+ qiqi and diluc), im record and upload it in my videos. Raiden c2-3 is insane, if you unlock c6 sara and c5 bennett, burst damage is up to 200%-250% from normal (100%), because im f2p so replacing kazuha with some anemo + vv like sucrose for dec ele res only, in c0 with crit dmge around 180% and atk 1,6k and the catch r5 usually my charged atk after burst is only 25-29k, but after c3 and c6 sara i can deal up to 50-60k, with c0 you already enough for deal with abyss, but with c2-c3 you can make new lineup like hard carry Raiden or else because Raiden up damage around 2x from c0, im already tested it and make current abyss very2 easier than before
It's honestly not that hard... In order it's Hp flat Attack flat Energy Recharge% Attack% (why attack %. Easy. Over stacking electro damage% doesn't help her in the long run. As your Er from sands and EL is more then enough to actually meet the Electro damage needs. You'd end up with roughly 50-70% electro damage.) Critdamage/critrate. (CR for consistency. Cd for big numbers)
@@DraodVideos Honestly a lot of these guide maker are decent but all you need it to put 2 brain cells together to think of the weapon and sets and stats. Its not that hard to read the descriptions and come to a conclusion and I don't see why people constantly depend on them for help. Raiden is an exception because of how her kit has electro dmg bonus so you don't overstack it so you use atk goblet.
For those have hesitation to pull her con i was doing 200k ult with c0-catch5-c2sara-c1benny-kazu to 500k c3-catch5-c6sara-c5benny-kazu (my dmg is f2p), after using 210 pulls and i don't regret anything!
@@LuffyPront8 first of all: you don't have to activate c6 Benny. 2nd: hyper raiden will not be affected positively or negatively by c6 Benny as Raiden will be wielding her electro imbued sword during her ult. 3rd: i never mentioned c6 Benny though.
Virgin engulfing lightning vs gigachad the catch Engulfing lightning : - expensive af - purple color (Boring) - summon for 5 minutes only (not eternity eww) - pay with money (expensive) - stupid name 🙄 😑 The catch - free - blue color (pretty) - needs an ETERNITY of fishing - pay with your soul, dignity, sanity and time (free) - CATCHy name
Love my c2 raiden! I had her c2 since original release. Couldve gone for c3 but im happy with just c2. Rn i have 4 emblem, 48cr 160 cdmg with r1 engulfing. Artifacts ER sands/Electro dmg bonus gob/ Crit rate circlet. 286 ER with about 1950 attack. Very solid build! Biggest burst hit was 450k so far
If there is one character to pull for constellations, it's Raiden, I'm never doing that, I prefer new c0 characters than cons as broken as some can be, but if you plan to have a character with a few constellations, c2-c3 Raiden is incredibly good, like best character in the game good
I was lucky with Raiden's rerun even though I'm f2p. I got her to C2 with just 140 pulls, lost 50/50 once and then I got the donut, skyward atlas, and engulfing lightning with just 72 pulls. She's the only character in my account with her signature weapon.
I feel like you're really overvaluing ER here. I'm not a math guy, but ER sands with The Catch and Engulfing seems like overkill. Plus not listing weapons like Homa, PJWS, and Wavebreaker's just makes this feel like an incomplete guide. I like your content and all, but for a 28 minute video I feel like this lacked a lot of depth.
i really like running raiden in a standard sucrose taser team, usually replacing fischl; she just solves any energy problems the team may have (despite the dissynergy with beidou)
I got her yesterday night, for only 10 pulls!! Ganyu was my first 5-star character last time on her own banner, and now I got Ei too for the same amount of pulls! What a luck. TT
I run her as a 2nd dps/battery in my Childe&Beidou team and I'm considering rolling for C4 since I don't use Noblesse in that team. May just do it if Kazu-kun isn't in 2.6.
I remember when 2.0 arrived and well i was very undecided on who pull for: Ayaka, Yoimiya, Raiden and Kokomi, even Yae because it was a mystery when she was going to be released. After the hell of 2.0, i manage to pull for a guaranteed 5* in Raidens banner but lost 50/50 unfortunately:(, this time i saved 95 wishes (+5 from shop) and end up getting Raiden c1 within them, 2 50/50s in a row, the fun fact is that i got my Bennett and Sara to c4 and c5 respectively lmao, plus Raiden about c2, I'm really happy and excited but that... Meh they probably come home unexpectedly
Nice for you to mention that, with all the attack buffs from e.g. hypercarry raiden team members, it’s better to go for C3 than Engulfing, because the added value is not as valuable anymore (less than c2 -> c3). And even the increase of your average DPS will become lesser, because you lose crit rate from The Catch passive.
I just can't help but notice how in this video he sounded excited as if he's doing a live presentation instead of his usual calm tone. Maybe it's just me but i guess this is fine too
I randomly got her and am happy because I love my Miko and I love lightning but they both use the same scrollllllllssssssss!!! I’m going to be farming that domain forever
Managed to c3r1 her by spending all of my saving since Itto's banner. I'm so happy, now that beautiful burst animation is having spectacular damage too. Most I can do is 420k by hypercarry minus Kazuha. Hope to get him on future patch
