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Updates of my MCE-Adapter (simpe MDA, CGA, EGA converter) 

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In this video I'd like to share some of the recent changes I've made to my MCE-Adapter which I use with my MDA/Hercules, CGA and EGA machines to connect to a VGA monitor.
Link to the project:
github.com/necroware/mce-adapter
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@interlace84
@interlace84 4 месяца назад
Ah the times where devs were literally hacking display hardware to apply new tricks and enhance their game's gfx :) nowadays it's more software-first and backwards in a way. That's an awesome adapter making life easier for anyone wanting their nostalgia on true retro hardware though! Thank you for making it!
@lorenzo.c
@lorenzo.c 4 месяца назад
This is such a nifty little project! 😃 As the picky engineer that I am, I have a remark on the way you generated a logic signal out of the sync pulse: I would be a little more careful about placing an "analog" signal onto a CMOS input. When the sync pulse changes between positive and negative polarity, the low-pass filtered signal transitions accordingly and therefore spends a relatively long time between High and Low logic levels. In this conditions a CMOS input does not guarantee that either the top MOSFET or the bottom MOSFET are completely off so there is the chance that some current flows directly between VCC and GND. This stresses the input and can, potentially lead to failure. A second problem is that, while the filtered signal crosses the threshold, it doesn't do it "decisively" so even little noise can cause spurious transitions which can be a problem for asynchronous logic. In your case transitions are fairly rare so, probably, nothing bad happens but there is a simple way to make sure that everything is fine: insert a logic gate (either a NOT or a buffer) between the RC filter and the input of the GAL. Make sure to choose a logic gate with Schmitt-trigger input (which has hysteresis so different thresholds depending on the state of its output), with supply voltage suitable for the input of the GAL and with input logic levels suitable for the sync signal. Such single gates are available in quite small packages.
@SaltyMeatHook
@SaltyMeatHook 4 месяца назад
Clever. Nice refinement. Can't wait for the next OC video.
@rodhester2166
@rodhester2166 4 месяца назад
Great job on the update.. thanks for sharing.
@madigorfkgoogle9349
@madigorfkgoogle9349 4 месяца назад
Thank you that you listened to my request for amber color.
@minombredepila1580
@minombredepila1580 4 месяца назад
Thanks for the new version. Your contributions are priceless !!!
@SobieRobie
@SobieRobie 4 месяца назад
Fantastic job sir!
@SkyOctopus1
@SkyOctopus1 4 месяца назад
Very clever, lovely job!
@SkyOctopus1
@SkyOctopus1 4 месяца назад
I may well have missed it, but would you have a way to contact you (other than comments) regarding some elderly kit you may (or may not) be interested in receiving?
@joetheman74
@joetheman74 4 месяца назад
Hey 2 years ago you did a video on the Pro Audio Spectrum and at the end hinted at doing a video about the Aureal Vortex chips. I know it's been a long time but would you still consider doing it? I loved my Vortex 2 back in the day and your Pro Audio Spectrum video had a lot of interesting information I wasn't aware of.
@loganjorgensen
@loganjorgensen 4 месяца назад
Very cool and so many good improvements.🙂 In hindsight it is funny the EGA engineers didn't just do brown instead by default as slightly darker yellow doesn't have many contextual uses. Other major change I'd have made is making Cyan & Dark Cyan darker too as they have too little contrast with White & Grey. But then again in hindsight I'd have made CGA's second brightest shade also darker since it is not contrasted enough with the brightest shade Ie. see Game Boy gradient contrast. I really love the Hercules color tint option as any options are better than none, Green looked great but a shame Amber couldn't be better. That's been something I've speculated on like changing monochrome graphics to color tints on color screens or putting a color gel layer over a B&W CRT to give it a similar look to monochrome phosphor tints since they aren't as plentiful.
@xjr358
@xjr358 3 месяца назад
Great job! Thank you very much! Will try to make one to connect pair my Toshiba laptops to the external monitor!
@FamousWorker
@FamousWorker 4 месяца назад
Always a great video
@TheRetroRaven
@TheRetroRaven 4 месяца назад
If at any point you consider producing these devices for sale, I'd love to buy one for my EGA 286 project that I have planned.
@Sirotaca
@Sirotaca 4 месяца назад
Very nice! Only thing I would suggest is to add a buffer to drive the analog signals with the proper 75 ohm impedance.
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
Yeah that would make it perfect indeed, but so far the GAL seems to drive it good enough though. For now I decided not to overengineer it. It should remain as cheap and simple as possible.
@anon_y_mousse
@anon_y_mousse 4 месяца назад
This is pretty cool.
@horusfalcon
@horusfalcon 4 месяца назад
Neatly done! Content like this is what keeps me watching.
@CaptainDangeax
@CaptainDangeax 4 месяца назад
Great job
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez 3 месяца назад
Wow cool project
@the_kombinator
@the_kombinator 4 месяца назад
I should get one of these and test out my 20+ LCDs in my basement to see which ones will work with MDA/CGA/EGA
@TheRasteri
@TheRasteri 4 месяца назад
loving the new features! dunno how you squeezed all that into a GAL...
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
Me neither :) All this thanks to you and your video about this topic, which got me hooked. Thank you once again!
@TheBitPunch
@TheBitPunch 4 месяца назад
Imma call it “banana mode”
@Roxor128
@Roxor128 4 месяца назад
Okay, I do have to wonder if the early-revision MDA colour-output undocumented feature works on this. If you haven't heard of it, the attribute bits on MDA match up with colour bits on CGA text mode, giving underlined text on MDA and blue text on CGA, but early MDA cards connect those bits to the pins used by the RGB channels on CGA (intensity is the same on both), so you can actually get colour out of them if you hook them up to a colour TTL monitor that'll take their sync signals. Also, the MDA output with the intensity should be giving you 4 colours, not 3: black, white, and two shades of grey. A darker shade of grey from 0 video and 1 intensity, and a lighter one from 1 for video and 0 for intensity.
@peterkornaukhov9990
@peterkornaukhov9990 3 месяца назад
Very interesting and useful so far. btw, it could be interesting and perhaps meanful if you would look at the floppy drives problems and howto for floppies. I've got the Samsung 3.5'' its lamp lights when the PC addresses to it and the large flywheel below (going opened to bottom side of it) doesn't rotate... suppose its drive engine burnt as far it was used as a test device lying on the table... So far, waiting for new videos gratefully.
@CaptainPiracy
@CaptainPiracy 4 месяца назад
How about making the adapter expansion slot mount now that it auto detects? Can then use a short ttl jumper like you would for a voodoo. You could then even use internal headers on some cards over to the adapter.
@mikes989
@mikes989 4 месяца назад
I have a GAL16V8D and I thinking on make one adapter latter on. is this GAL fully compatible? I also have some ATF22V10C PLDs. those are a little more complex/capable, useful to do some extra things in this converter. the thing I miss is to be able to run/upconvert to 30KHz so is easier to find compatible monitors
@pelculator
@pelculator 4 месяца назад
Awesome! Will this work with the RGBi signal of a Commodore128 as well? And can I assume the PCBWay shared project will be updated? (Would make it easy to get me one of those boards, or 10 as that costs the same ;) )
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
C128 should work with this adapter since it is usual CGI. I don't know who uploaded the project to PCBWay, but you also don't need it, just take the gerber_zip from the release page of the project and drag to PCBWay order page, or any other PCB manufacturer you like. It's a two click operation.
@briangoldberg4439
@briangoldberg4439 4 месяца назад
very cool new hardware! however, I kind of didn't understand the beginning of the video. It seemed like you were about to talk about the GBS, but then you never mentioned it again?
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
That was just to remind how this project has started. The links to the old videos are in the info cards of this video. This is not a new hardware, but an improvement of an old project. There are 3 parts already on the channel.
@Alex6joker
@Alex6joker 4 месяца назад
Hi! Which desoldering station you can recommend? What desoldering station on video "Repairathon 2022: Repairing a heavily damaged 386 mainboard", temperature?
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
ZD-915. Temperature is 350°C, but depends on the temperature in the room. Especially if it is very cold, I use hot air in addition to heat up the PCB.
@RetroAnachronist
@RetroAnachronist 4 месяца назад
I could use one of these for my Laser 128.
@nachtrave5172
@nachtrave5172 4 месяца назад
Very neat! I'd love to build a few of these and sell them if you'd be okay with that. =)
@EnigPartyhaus
@EnigPartyhaus 4 месяца назад
Would it be possible for me to wire an adapter cable to use this with an Apple IIGS like I already do with the cheap (re: crap) chinese conversion board or is it strictly designed for handling PC standards
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
I'm not a specialist for Apple, but doesn't IIGS already has an analog RGBHV video signal? If so, you don't need this adapter, because it is for digital to analog conversion of MDA/CGA/EGA, which were used on x86 PCs in the first place. But may be s.o. with Apple experience can give you a better answer.
@vitorluis_freerider
@vitorluis_freerider 4 месяца назад
Hello, I ordered the PCB's from PCBWay, they arrived today and the components must be soon, now I am stuck, cant figure it out the assembly instructions, where do I find the instructions?
@pentiummmx2294
@pentiummmx2294 4 месяца назад
i need to have a way to use MDA or CGA on a VGA CRT and that seems to be the solution
@JendaLinda
@JendaLinda 4 месяца назад
Some EGA cards support a non standard low-res mode with 64 colors. The old design of the adapter should support that with hi-res mode setting. Is there a way in the new adapter to ovrerride the autodetection to allow this mode?
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
No, not really. I didn't see such a non-standard mode so far and I'd have to investigate, but even if it is in low-res, I guess it will still have to flip the sync signal as if it would for high-res. Otherwise the EGA monitor wouldn't have a way to distinguish how many intensity bits are used. Low-res EGA has only one intensity bit, so you can generate only 16 colors (with brown hack). For 64 colors you'd need 3 intensity bits (no brown hack) and this mode has to be recognized by a good old EGA monitor somehow as well. So I guess such an override wouldn't be needed.
@davefiddes
@davefiddes 4 месяца назад
I suspect that the sync polarity detection will probably automagically put the device in the correct mode as that how EGA monitors seemed to do it back in the day.
@NJRoadfan
@NJRoadfan 4 месяца назад
@@necro_ware The IBM 5154 monitors use the V-sync inversion to detect 4-bit 15.75khz vs. 6-bit 24khz modes. The early NEC Multisyncs had a further trick up their sleaves and somehow autodetected MDA/CGA/EGA and auto detected analog vs. digital TTL input from its DB-9 port.
@TheRasteri
@TheRasteri 4 месяца назад
@@necro_ware I only know of one game that does 64 colours in low-res (super offroad), and it requires a monitor that lets you force 64colour mode. Some taito games can do something similar with weird boca/paradise EGA cards, and they don't need the 64colour force, weirdly
@fastbeta
@fastbeta 4 месяца назад
​@@necro_warei'm not sure, but try to run Stormlord
@marshallburke88
@marshallburke88 Месяц назад
Question I built one of your MCE adapters and the only issue I have is I am getting jitter on the top and bottom of the display. This is on my Tandy 1000EX using a GBS-8200. I have tried using several different LCDs problem appears on all of them. If I use a RGB to HDMI output works just fine and I have a stable sync
@necro_ware
@necro_ware Месяц назад
Hey. Since this is an open source project, it would be nice to get such questions on the project site, so others can benefit from it and share their thoughts. This is the whole point of open sourcing something, so the knowledge and support can be shared. Here on YT it would just drown and in the future if someone has the same issue, the person would need to search from the beginning. To your question, GBS-8200 is extremely picky, especially with its stock firmware. I use my with gbs-control firmware and it is a lot better. The quality of the signal generated by the MCE-Adapter depends a lot from the cables you use and the quality of the GAL chip. I had some (used?) old GALs from China, which were not able to generate a stable signal. Also instead of the cable on the TTL side I use a coupler (gender changer) to plug the adapter directly into the graphics card. That improves the signal a lot. Meanwhile I made a dozen of MCE-adapters for some guys in the German community and they all work perfectly fine. If you already have buffered RGB to HDMI adapter there is no real point of using my MCE-adapter through GBS-8200. The idea was actually to have a cheap and simple solution which can be plugged directly into a 15kHz capable monitor.
@Fezzler61
@Fezzler61 4 месяца назад
So this is all I need to convert CGA TTL out from an old PC to to VGA in on a LCD monitor? What is the US$ estimate to order board and parts?
@mikes989
@mikes989 4 месяца назад
take notice, is not any monitor. need to be 15KHz compatible
@Fezzler61
@Fezzler61 4 месяца назад
@@mikes989 Thanks.
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei 4 месяца назад
7:00 is the frequency different or not? it says 60/50 but you say 60/60 and the graph looks lined up
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
That is just schematically drawn. On CGA/EGA it is 60Hz and on MDA/Hercules it is 50Hz.
@thisisreallyme3130
@thisisreallyme3130 28 дней назад
Nice! Can this go in the other direction? I have several MDA monitors)
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 28 дней назад
Not with this adapter, but theoretically you can of course convert everything into everything.
@MrTiptonboa
@MrTiptonboa 4 месяца назад
I so need one of these to convert a model 3 24hz EGA to 15/31hz VGA. HELP
@alexloktionoff6833
@alexloktionoff6833 4 месяца назад
Did you try original HGC 720 × 350 on BL702A? I see you setup CGA mode on it.
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
There are not many hires hercules games out there, most hercules games are just MDA or CGA emulation. I definitely tested hires hercules graphics on my NEC monitor. I don't remember if I tested it with Benq, but I assume, that it will work too.
@alexloktionoff6833
@alexloktionoff6833 3 месяца назад
@@necro_ware than you very much, BL702A works! Of course it's not perfect, but after manual adjusting pixel clock and position, text looks good!For graphics I have manually re-adjust... But you know, to connect HERCULES card to my new BL702A I just need two 1K resistors, no active components!
@alexloktionoff6833
@alexloktionoff6833 3 месяца назад
@@necro_ware for Hercules cards, you can always run Planet X3 - it supports all vintage graphics cards and audio chips.
@SnipE_mS
@SnipE_mS 4 месяца назад
I built 5 of the first version from the project file on pcbway. Really fun to build but I couldn’t get them to work for some reason. Maybe my monitor doesn’t support the 15KHz signal?
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
Well, yes, you still need a 15kHz capable monitor, otherwise it will not work.
@SnipE_mS
@SnipE_mS 4 месяца назад
@@necro_ware yeah I’m an idiot. I also didn’t flash the eeprom lol
@ryodatimekeeper
@ryodatimekeeper 4 месяца назад
Does anyone know where I can acquire a 9 pin video cable? Will a DB9 Male-Male cable work?
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
Yes, that would do. But keep it short and try to find a good quality cable. You can use a simple gender changes as well, as I showed it in the video.
@hinz1
@hinz1 26 дней назад
Can you show some oscilloscope traces, on what and what not these GBS8200 boards accept as valid RGBS signals and what not? I have an old CNC mill with Motorola 6845 graphics, so likely MGA signal with H/V out. V-sync is 50Hz, H-sync 15.5kHz. XORed H and V sync, to get composite sync, my XOR composite sync is TTL high with short negative H-spikes (when V sync is low) and TTL low with short positive H-spikes (when V sync is high). Color is monochrome TTL, which goes directly on green input. But I get "no signal", no matter what I try.....
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 26 дней назад
I made couple of videos about this topic, where you should be able to find everything you want to know. But here some facts in a nutshell: - Motorola 6845 was used on both monochrome and color graphics adapters. - MGA is unknown to me, you probably mean MDA and/or Hercules - MDA runs at 50Hz/18kHz (and not 15kHz), which is not supported by GBS-8200 out of the box - You can use gbs-control firmware to improve compatibility - Though 60Hz/15kHz is the only one mode which GBS-8200 supports reliably - GBS-8200 is not a MDA/CGA/EGA converter, it's a scam - GBS-8200 requires analog RGBS video signal with levels between 0V and 0.7V - Applying TTL voltage directly, which is 5V, will slowly kill your GBS-8200 Here are my videos about this whole story: Part 1: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7c3yLX52ZEs.htmlsi=yUFkV6nV2W820KF- Part 2: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aUFKB4b5KpE.htmlsi=pcI2m9lt9yWGDqTl Part 3: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F1685u-QQ0k.htmlsi=GhX0AAhI_zXIROcx Part 4: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-f9ryiV4UiKY.htmlsi=LPzr8BLPReIUm9Jo
@hinz1
@hinz1 25 дней назад
@@necro_ware Thanks, I'm now testing that GBS-8200 garbage with 2x HP-5359A time synthesizer for H/V sync and a HP-3326A, which makes color sine wave, in sync with HP-5359A to see, what timings/pulse lengths are working. V-sync works down to 21ms/47Hz before GBS8200 quits, so far I think it's more a problem with 15kHz H-sync. TTL/5V monochrome color gets detected with no problems, depending on potentiometer settings, it saturates at about 3V from 50Ohm source/HP3326A. Perhaps I get lucky and I can just shorten Hsync pulses with CPLD board, those seem rather long, in Dialog4 control.
@hinz1
@hinz1 25 дней назад
That GBS-8200 scam stops working if H-sync exceeds 38µs/below 26kHz with RGBHV, perhapsI try RGBS with signal XOR too, but I doubt that scam garbage works with it either. Time to find a MCE2VGA, I guess. Or start a FPGA project myself, have plenty of boards with 1MB++ DRAM/SRAM around, to digitize MDA and output it at VGA frequencies again. Since it's just monochrome, I don't even need ADCs, just some rather stupid frame buffering....
@asprinwizard
@asprinwizard Месяц назад
Is anyone on here familiar with the GBS-8100 - essentially the inverse of the GBS-8200 VGA to CGA. But again I'm not sure if it's CGA or Analog RGBS that it outputs. If I connect up to a CRT TV via Scart I get an image, which is perfectly fine. If I use a sync separator and connect up to a 15Khz VGA monitor I get a blank image - not a 'no signal', just a blank image which suggests the sync is fine but it can't read the RGB signals which would make sense if they are CGA. Therefore your converter would be able to help except that the output from the GBS-8100 is just the 5 wires R, G, B, Csync and GND. I think to convert from CGA to RGBA I'd need an intensity signal, is that right? Or is there another way?
@necro_ware
@necro_ware Месяц назад
Well, since GBS-8200 is not really CGA-VGA converter, most probably GBS-8100 is also not a VGA-CGA converter. I don't have GBS-8100, but from GBS-8200 I know, that it's CGA/EGA support is a scam. CGA/EGA are 15/21kHz digital signals, so called TTL, with 0V and 5V level for 0 and 1 for each color (and intensity). If you connect this RGB signal directly to a 15kHz capable VGA monitor it will die after a while, because VGA is an analog signal with voltages between 0V and 0.7V. Wireing 5V instead of 0.7V is deadly as you can imagine. However, GBS-8200 can not handle digital CGA/EGA signal, only analog RGBS similar to VGA, but with composite sync. It calls it proudly CGA/EGA only because it works at 15kHz, just like CGA and low-resolution EGA would, but it is not really CGA/EGA. It wouldn't even be able to convert high-resolution EGA, which runs at 21kHz. I assume GBS-8100 doesn't know anything about CGA/EGA either and outputs the same analog RGBS signal which GBS-8200 expects on the input, but I can't tell definitely. If it is, you'd only need to decompose the sync properly. Check the levels of the RGB output, if it remains below 0.7V, it is analog RGBS.
@asprinwizard
@asprinwizard Месяц назад
@@necro_ware thanks for your reply. That's very helpful. On further experimenting I find the levels output are around 2-3v so that's TTL. ChatGPT confirmed this so not sure what to make of that! But I noticed the voltages changed quite a bit depending on the colours on screen (the blue and red levels drop to around 1.3v on the green Atari desktop) so I guess that's analog. So I think what is happening is that the TV is quite robust in the signal level it receives (and perhaps it has some circuitry to drop voltages above a certain level). But the VGA needs more accurate values. However I've tried a couple of acclaimed scart to vga converters that handle the sync splitting and they seem to have resistors to drop the ttl levels to around 0.7v but still no picture. Except very occasionally when I'm connecting wires up on the breadboard where the image appears momentarily, usually in red monochrome. So I'm going to do some more experimenting without the scart to vga converters and do the voltage drop with a 470 ohm and 75 ohm splitter and see if it works. If not my attention will go back to the the sync splitting. I have an original Atari St to check voltage levels and oscilloscope patterns against, and that works with these monitors, so hopefully I'll be able to find a way with the GBS-8100. But anything else you suggest I should consider would be useful, thanks.
@asprinwizard
@asprinwizard Месяц назад
@@necro_ware did a bit more googling and it's suggested the GBS-8100 outputs 480i. I wonder if this could be the issue. The VGA monitors probably don't like this so perhaps I would need to convert down to 240p like the Atari emits. Is this possible without hefty expensive equipment?
@bobafett7708
@bobafett7708 3 месяца назад
So still need a 15khz VGA monitor ?
@andrefixa
@andrefixa 4 месяца назад
Hello! my friend has a 486 dx2 machine. it doesn't boot or post. we tried to repair it but we failed. We are from Italy, can we send you the board to repair it
@bespo2
@bespo2 3 месяца назад
Not work for me, I try convert 15khz rgbhv signal from old cnc with 9pin connector (6 wires) and use this adapter and gbs8200 (pcb made by jlpcb) and latest software version and i can see that monitor is struggling with signal, it shows a fragment of a picture for a second but most of the time no signal. I have a better result with cd4030 xnor gate and few exit resistors
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 месяца назад
Please don't forget, that gbs-8200 requires RGBS signal. RGBHV doesn't work, at least with the default firmware. You have to select RGBS on the gbs-8200 and set the adapter to C-Sync mode using the J2 jumper. I use gbs-8200 sometimes with this adapter and it works at least for CGA at 15 kHz and MDA at 18kHz with gbs-control firmware. Unfortunately gbs-8200 is not able to show 21kHz EGA with any firmware. However for a CNC you don't need all this anyway, you probably don't care about right colors, so a simple circuit with a xnor and resistors is sufficient.
@bespo2
@bespo2 3 месяца назад
@@necro_ware thank you for quick answer, as I understand, this adapter convert rgbhv to rgbs via j2 jumper and gbs 8200 recognize a signal and convert to 31khz vga signal and reproduce to a analog lcd ( i have dell 157fpf and samsung syncmaster 710n) . My original monitor was hantarex 9 inch crt, rip...and I'm currently using philips cm8833, I don't have a scope to determine was it 15 or 21 khz, and he is slowly dying too, so I really need a solution that works, fast. I am trying these cheap solutions, yours was the most promising, and I don't have many options, actually, what on the market is expensive, non compatible options for me and any help would be a great deal for me. All I have left with is gbs8219 or rgb2vga that I could find on the internet and i am not convinced that any of these will work properly for me. The funny thing is that any solution that I try so far is giving a same result-white numbers shows for a second or two, sometimes readable, sometimes not. You are right, I need only 3 colors actually - red, green and most of the time yellow, but this cm8833 shows only green and i manage with it, and I think this option need just a little tweaking...
@wizard-pirate
@wizard-pirate 4 месяца назад
How the heck did you do that with a GAL?
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
Yes, this is pretty much at its limit, but it is not the most complicated thing, which I made using a GAL. If you switch it to clocked mode, it can get even crazier.
@wizard-pirate
@wizard-pirate 4 месяца назад
I've always just used them for address decoding. I guess I skipped a few steps in learning PLDs and dove straight into learning verilog. I'll have to revisit GALs and fool around a bit.@@necro_ware
@K10driver
@K10driver 4 месяца назад
Can i have the (or one) of the engineering samples?
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
Let's talk about it ;)
@K10driver
@K10driver 4 месяца назад
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@Steve01Project
@Steve01Project 4 месяца назад
I have the old one. Can I rework it to this Version? Greeting!
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
You can, if you remove the third switch, place a capacitor instead of it and add a resistor between V-Sync and this capacitor. I'd also suggest to replace the resistors as they are on the new revision if you want to get better colors.
@dionisiosklonaris493
@dionisiosklonaris493 4 месяца назад
@@necro_ware Nice work! So, in order to modify a v0.7.1 board, we should add a bodge wire + 10K resistor from the VIDEO_IN1 VSync pin to the non-ground pin of a 1uF resistor placed at J3? I guess the capacitor does not need to be polarized (e.g. ceramic)? Also, which resistors should be replaced? I guess R1+R4/R2+R5/R3+R6 should be 1.3K+680R? Finally, what about R7 and R8? Thank you in advance (and sorry for the question torrent...)!😃
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
@@dionisiosklonaris493 Yes, basically this is what you need. You can replace the switch 3 by just putting a capacitor instead. Then you can put a resistor 10k betwin V-Sync and the pin on the IC where the capacitor goes to. The resistors you should replace are all the RGB color related. Those are 680/1.3K. I relabled the resistors, so the name don't fit. The R7/R8 are not quite as easy. It is optional, but the 1K can be removed and 100 can be replaced by 470. Unfortunately on the old revision V-Sync was just wired through to the output without a resistor, on the new revision it goes through a 470 as well. On the old revision you can cut the trace and add a resistor if you want to make it complete.
@dionisiosklonaris493
@dionisiosklonaris493 4 месяца назад
@@necro_ware I guess the last 470R mod is for the HSync pin? Thanks for the prompt reply!
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
@@dionisiosklonaris493 On the new revision R1 is H-Sync, R2 is V-Sync, they both should go through 470R unlike on the old revision.
@rkurbatov
@rkurbatov 4 месяца назад
Meh. I ordered the previous version PCBs just five days ago :(
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 4 месяца назад
Oh, I'm sorry about that, that's a bad timing indeed.
@rkurbatov
@rkurbatov 4 месяца назад
@@necro_ware lol, sorry, definitely not your fault :) I was too impatient. Thank you for your work! I needed it for MDA adapter so even the previous version will be perfect match.
@andreabc1469
@andreabc1469 4 месяца назад
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