BREAKING NEWS Oct '22**** We just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep bolt-in transmission pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Just installed the 3.6 version. You can get the old pan out without dropping both sides of the exhaust but don’t bother trying to cram the new pan in. Impossible. Risk damage.
Thanks for you hard work on the video- Well the good is you did a great job on the video especially covering PPE's mistake on the embarrassing part of having to GRIND a $400 pan.However the Automotive teacher and OCD boy in me thinks maybe before filming fix the 4 Wheel Service needed light on the Jeep dash. All I saw was a problem! Vs following the important fill procedure.
Just installed this on a 2019 JGC. Only snag I ran into was transferring the stock pan flange collars. I got the black pan and the paint prevented the collars from sliding in by hand so I set up a jig using a bolt and some washers and a small vice grip with my wife holding the grips and I using my cordless drill and wrench they went in fairly easy. Getting to the rear torx bolts was a chore and the most difficult part to me.
Thanks to this video, I see a few hours of myself struggling and cursing under my Jeep on my garage floor. Cool product- defenititely on my short list of things to do.
Great video, Just ordered a PPE pan for my Gladiator, Need this Truck to last a long time so don't mind spending a bit more now to get the maximum life I can from it !
If you can tear yourself away from Red Line or the factory ZF fluid, AMSOIL makes a compatible ATF fully synthetic in squeeze bags. No spills no mess, Same for Gear Lube
Just serviced my truck and did it as per your vid, worked great ! So damn easy except had to use a little pump just like yours, tedious but not too bad, If I could like this vid again I would ! cheers
I just installed my PPE made for the 3.6l, purchased from Northridge 4x4. Even with the factory ground channel for the exhaust, it was not enough to fit. I have to go to an exhaust shop to get the cross over pipe modified. It is a very nice pan, but it required a lot of work.
@@northridgenation I installed a second pan on my other Jeep and it went flawless. After purchasing a new crossover pipe for my first Jeep and it also went flawless. The exhaust pipe is really close to the pan. I wrapped the pipe and feel much better about it.
Wouldn't the crossover heat the pan? It's closer to the pipe with the deeper pan and since the pan is aluminum, it will transfer heat to the fluid even more.
radiant heat is already a problem for the stock pan. The fins increase surface area to dissipate heat. Vehicles spend most of their time in motion. Air flow over the pan will assist in the heat transfer away from the transmission.
@@ThunderBear4WD yes, tracking, still a heat source, but I have a bigger air gap with the short, steel pan and less heat transfer. Airflow means nothing when there is no air flowing, like off-road, just more surface area to pick up heat and cook the fluid.
@@krashnpa I can't say without having actually checked temps before an after in this particular application, but my experience with these types of covers has been that things run cooler. I've never known them to run hotter. I would do the upgrade just for the drain plug, the extra volume of fluid, and the added rigidity that the aluminum pan adds. I've modified and welded drain plugs into stamped steel auto trans pans in the past just to make life easier for future services.
I'm not seeing what overall benefit this would provide considering the cost. The OEM pan works just fine, the gasket most likely won't need to be replaced when you perform service, and cleaning the interior magnets and changing the filter is incredibly easily. The most time consuming thing you're going to run into changing the fluid is literally putting the new fluid in.
The cost effectiveness comes if you would like to do more complete fluid changes and run lower fluid temperatures(because of greater capacity). I agree that without thinking about time investment to do simple fluid changes and without thinking about longevity of your transmission that is increased due to more regular maintenance (like if you wouldn't keep it more than 100k anyway), this would be a dumb purchase. Even servicing it would be dumb(and mean to the next buyer, but hey, not your problem!) I purchased this. Installed at 35k. I'll now drain and fill every 3rd or so oil change because its now a simple process. I wheel hard. This wouldn't make sense for a pavement princess that's getting traded in IMO.
We reused the OE gasket, they are designed to be reused and they seal great. We cleaned the modified pan inside and out very carefully before installing it. BUT you don't need to worry about that now as PPE has now released a pan that is designed to clear the 3.6 exhaust: www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black
Can we use ATF+4 for the transmission fluid change ? Mopar uses 8&9 speed ATF for the transmission and ATF+4 for the transfer case. Is there a difference between the two ? I feel like they're the same and Mopar just wants to sell us more stuff.
Great video and clearly explaining the process. I am going to spring for this pan. I know that it includes a filter and you stated they were available separate for future service, but am unable to locate on your site?
@@northridgenation Final question ... approx how much trans fluid is required during the refill? ... I have purchased six qts, but will purchase more if that is not enough.
I have a 2023 Wrangler 4xe, and with that platform I cant rev the engine in neutral. Will the 2k rpm rev be critical to the fill process, or will I be okay skipping over that part?
If I have to grind down the fins on my brand new pan, it’s a bad design. They should sell a separate P/N that’s designed for the 3.6. Lazy engineering IMO.
@@psualligater If they were NOT coming out with a "no-grinding required" V6 pan, I'd agree with you as grinding away something on a new part to get it to fit is outrageous. -- BR
@Jeff Grapengater, we just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Normally I love the videos, but claiming the OEM pan does a flat out poor job of dissipating heat is just OPINION until you have data to prove otherwise. The vehicle design engineers analyze and test these systems to keep them working perfectly fine in almost any condition. Now, does this PPE pan do a better job than the OEM pan? Maybe, but better might not actually be needed.
OEM stamped steel pans are purely an act of economy. Yes ... under most every circumstance they are more than adequate, but also consider that the OEM also claims no service cycle of this transmission. This I cant simply buy into even with top shelf synthetic fluids. At a minimum this pan provides a drain plug for simple fluid changes ... and they also provide filters for a more intermittent and comprehensive service. And .... AL is a better heat sync than steel.
@Fito Gonzalez, We just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
I don't see any answers to question asked in the comments. Maybe I'll wait on the purchase of this pan till I see answers to these questions. Answers usually means the company believes in their product and they're not trying to hid anything.
Appreciate this vid. I had no idea how to change trans fluid. Those pans are a bit pricey but they seem worth it. Will this interfere with the drive train warranty?
They were originally designed for other Mopar cars with the same transmission. We did just get an email from PPE, they have finished their new Jeep 3.6 specific pan designed to clear the cross-over pipe. They say they are sending us one to check out, once it arrives, we'll do a follow-up video.
guys, i get it, you’re trying to sell the product, but honestly, you need to do the V6 first as that’s your largest market. in fact, diesel guys may not even mind the groove of the V6 pan if you were to have produced it first. turned me off of purchase even when it comes out right for V6.
Yes, the PPE trans pans for the 3.6 are now clearanced for that exhaust pipe. www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black Sorry, I don't remember how many quarts we used on that project. iirc, it was six, but I could be off a little. The official Jeep procedure tech sheet doesn't say how many either, just fill until it dribbles out, then go through the run steps and add or subtract oil to get to the correct amount.
In general the shallow pan would work for most people. The deeper pan would be perfect for those that are really pushing their transmissions hard. Say those who are towing beyond the limits of their vehicle ratings.
@Nick Francis, We just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
@@northridgenation This will be an awesome upgrade for cooling and adding additional fluid to provide reliability on Challengers with 850RE, especially if they are being raced/track regularly. I'll be acquiring one soon to test this out.
@@northridgenation Unfortunately, living off my military pension/disability, I can't exactly test a theory only to be stuck with a $300 part I can't use 😢 soon hopefully
@@austinfouts9139 yes it's an 8 speed. it's the 8HP75. 392 Wranglers also have a crossover exhaust pipe, like the 3.6L V6. However, its probably not in the same spot. They mention in the video about PPE making a pre-clearanced pan for the 3.6 in the future. To be clear about what we're asking, is PPE going to have a pre-clearanced pan for the 392 Wranglers as well.
I'm not sold on this. I offroad and my trans temp is always fine. I'm running 37s and bigger axles. Oh how do I know it's fine, Jeep was nice enough to put a trans temp sensor in there so I can read it right off the dash. And why should I have to grind into a brand new part?!? That is horrible and lazy designing on PPE's part. They even covered their name by putting it right above the exhaust?!? WTF!?! Did they just pull this from some other parts bin and say, 'hi, this almost fits the JL, ah, close enough, Ship it" Dude, did they sponsor this video? As soon as you seen, "please grind your new part to fit" In the trash it goes. Or at the very least say to PPE, 'any way you guys can just remove that section of fins?" As a reviewer, your on the front line when it comes to new products. Your suppose to sniff this out. Sorry, i just get worked up over lazy and incompetent companies taking shortcuts to save a buck. Especially when it comes to Jeep Wrangler products, because god love us, most of us will buy almost anything.
That pan was originally designed for the Chargers. They did not have the exhaust pipe running under the trans oil pan. They now have a new pan with the correct clearances in it for the 3.6 exhaust: Black: www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black Brushed: www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153510-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-brushed Raw: 228153500
Look if the engineers thought that pan would do better than the stock pan, it would have come with it. My gladiator trans never gets out of operating range with stock pan. Don’t waist your hard earned money !
I don’t see this as benefiting me at all, quite the opposite. I have a MORE engine/trans skid that blocks airflow to the pan, so this would just capture exhaust heat. . Plus, I’ve never seen my truck over 210f and it seems like it’s thermostatically set at 195 which doesn’t mean the thermostat is fully open at 195 it just won’t go below it while driving. I literally towed a Subaru Crosstrek up a 12 degree hill and over rocks for about a mile at 1-3mph and never broke 205f.
I think you'd still be surprised at the air exchange present even with an installed skid ... and your self described scenario about best describes when this type of pan would be most relevant with radiant shedding of heat...
@@obrianmcc12 incorrect, if you don’t have air flow over the fins they will not have the temperature differential to transfer heat. My skid plate goes all the way up past the engine oil pan and completely impedes airflow over the transmission pan. The debris between the trans and skid prove that.
@Lynn Chumbley, we just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
What a joke! The 3.6 is the most popular engine out there and they could offer it with the clearance done? Grinding on a new pan seems like a good way to get crap in your tranny! I was interested until the grinding BS!
@jprock73 & @Invictus Centurion, we just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Who in the hell designs a product that you need to install… check for clearance, remove pieces from new product to then re install… Why not just design it to clear the exhaust from inception? Or that “extra” fluid could have been rethought and an OE design but with fins… 🤦♂️
It's that old saying...... JEEP = Just Empty Every Pocket. 😆 Although that really is the case with any 4x4 that you want to get out and do harder trails.
WHAT? no this is dumb, they should make a v4 and a v6 version. Grind it myself? Lol no no no... I've seen monkeys beat their trans to hell on rocks and no nobody ever had a problem. Would not buy!
PPE has released a newer version that doesn't require any grinding. www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black
