It's almost scary how much better the greenback equipped Marshall cab sounds here. The midrange is extremely pleasing, tons of more low end, doesn't have that awful high end sizzle but it's still present just enough, it's just better.
Yeah. That sizzle is a too muddy for rhythm, I mean unless you just chug all the time. Those V30s are better for lead. I'd go with the Greenbacks like 90% of the time
Yeah, but what does it matter that everyone can hear you when you sound like absolute dogshit? Sure, V30s cut like nothing because they have a huge ice picky high midrange/treble spike, but they're still an ass fucking speaker. @@finnancahill2644
No matter the genre, greenbacks are my favorite! It seems the sweetness is always lost a bit when a manufacturer tries to make a speaker handle more power!
@@eyedunno8462 Sweet, as long as you like them. I am cursed with ears that can hear the difference between 1inch and 3 inch voicecoils and the difference between paper and kapton being used in the voicecoils. Since using bigger voicecoils and/or using kapton in the place of paper for the voicecoil are the only ways rhat I've seen speaker makers make a speaker able to handle more power, I've always been able to spot the difference between low-power and high-power handling speakers. Clearly, I prefer the sound of the low powered speakers, they just sound more immediate and direct to my ear. Stiffening the speaker cones and surrounds to help the speaker handle more power also affects the dampening, tone, and speed of the speaker. In my opinion, anything added to the speaker, to allow it to handle more power, compromises the speed and purity of the cone's movement. You might like the sound that the stronger speaker makes, but it's not my preference.
Both together was glorious. The good aspects of the Greenbacks masked the downsides of the V30s, and vice versa - they combined into a really full-bodied tone.
Greenbacks are great speakers for metal, especially combined with Marshall/British type amps. They are really the OG metal speakers, together with the G12H-30. They don't have the same mid spike as the V30's, so they might not cut through a mix as well, but they usually have a tight low end and a really creamy mids. I love them!
I have a Mojotone British 412 loaded with two G12M-25 Greenbacks and 2 G12H-30 Heritage 55hz in an X pattern. It sounds great. I bought two G12H-30 Heritage 75hz for another empty 412 in the future. I need to pair them with something, and I may just go with more G12M-25, but I kind of want to try some G12M-EVH speakers. The only thing is that the EVH is only 96db vs. while the G12H-30 Heritage 75hz is 100db. Celestion said it could work, just that the EVH would "contribute less" to the sound, which is obvious. If I go that route I may try the EVH on top like the BE412 from Friedman. If that doesn't work for me, I may have an M cab and an H cab.
I have a Friedman cabinet with Greenbacks on top and V30's on the bottom, and it sounds AMAZING with a 100w 1959HW plexi, which was really surprising to me as V30 mid spike + Marshall doesn't do it for the old school tones I like, but honestly it lets the amp excel at everything from funk to brootalz. I've come to learn it's not about having an amp with 4 channels and 3 modes on each, but rather an amp with one channel, excellent volume knob sensitivity, and speakers that can cater to a wide range of vibes.
Damn I really want one of those cabs! I’ve read nothing but good things. You nailed it about amps vs speakers. Most people that complain about an amp or a cab just need to run it with different speakers. I’ll probably end up with more speaker combos than amps at the rate I’m going. The only V30 pure cab I have is the VHT Fat Bottom 2x12. Another killer speaker to pair with V30s: G12H Anniversary.
After almost 30 years of playing guitar I've finally come to that same conclusion as well. My single channel Modded Marshall is really all I need. But do I want 15 heads? The answer is yes. Emphatically yes.
Yeah, I was gonna suggest that when you look at people like Mastodon and Primus cabinets they usually have some mix of speakers instead of all of them just being the same, with slots for 4 cones if you split the difference and only swap two of them out we get an even different response curve at the output (but you need to be careful of which mic goes on which speaker if you are chasing a gremlin).
The Marshall cuts like a knife, the Mesa cuts like a razor… interesting sound together, one sounds great for rhythm and the other for leads, Keep up the great job and give the dog a pat for me, lol!
Mesa sure cuts, but honestly, V30s have always sounded too middy and boxy to me. Sure, you hear them well in the mix, but it's a very one dimensional sound they've got.
Convenient timing, right after Spectre Sound Studios just made a video claiming the SPEAKERS are the biggest part of your overall tone. This video proves him 100% CORRECT! The difference between those two cabinets is HUGE! 🎸
Glen came and bought 2 of my vin30s because of the speaker code. Even the production date matters. Personally I love the sound of chinese greens. Another experiment is just using the same cab open vs closed back.
@@thorinbane true. I had one cab that sounded way better as a 7/8th's closed back than fully closed. I just moved the back panel up one screw space and that little 2" opening across the bottom made all the difference in the world! I believe it was my Mesa Roadster 2×12 combo if I recall...
I just raised enough money to buy a real head and cab rig, and thought I was gonna need v30s but now I’m finding the greenbacks to be much closer to the tones that I like. Thanks!
My favorite combo is 2x Greenbacks, 2x V30s in an X pattern. You get the cut and the definition of the V30s, with the mids and warmth of the Greenbacks. It's like they're made for eachother. Oh and for context, i run a Peavey 6505+ through a Mesa cab.
This is very specific and of second importance but I am just curious: which speaker is left/right on your X pattern and do you prefer to be standing on the left or right side of your cab when you play with that setup?
@baluchon2505 In my opinion, there isn't much difference sonically which is on which side. (From a distance.) But the top row is Greenback L, V30 R. The bottom row is V30 L, Greenback R.
@baluchon2505 although when I've done both greenbacks on the bottom and the V30s on the top, it's yielded some interesting results. Kind of highlights the accents of the drivers.
I have a 2x12 with one V30 and one G12H 30th anniversary Greenback and I love the mix of them both. I have the cabinet set so I can use one or the other, or both together.
Greenbacks on top, V30’s on bottom… great combo. Otherwise I can’t stand V30’s by themselves. Putting them on the bottom helps account for their higher sensitivity.
Try V30s and Classic Leads, either in a X pattern or Classic Leads on the bottom because they have balls. Personally, it's a just a hard pass on V30s for me.
The EVH through the greenbacks sound a million times better than the V30's in a guitar only situation. There maybe a different perception when comparing in a mix but regardless this video helped me decide to get an EVH to pair with my Marshall 1960AX cab with greenbacks and it sounds FANTASTIC. I actually prefer to avoid 5150 variants because it's such a common sound but this pairing put it on another level making the 5150 not fall into that typical sound we got use to hearing when paired with a V30. Good video.
I run Celestion Vintage 30 and Creamback H75 speakers in an x-pattern in my Peavey 430A cab, which is pretty much a full 1960A clone now that I have replaced the particle board back with an MDF one. I deleted the PCB when fitting the new backboard and rewired it 16 ohm mono series/parallel with 16AWG wire. Sounds great and it's 240W
Rhe best option is pair the greenbacks and V30 together. I pair V30s with creamback M65s which is basically a higher powered slightly darker and slightly warmer greenback and it's by far my favorite speaker combo. From classic rock to metal that combo can do it all . From Bad company to new wave of British heavy metal like iron maiden and Samson . From somdgarden to Sepultra and beyond that speaker combo sounds fantastic no matter what you throw at it just a perfect sound all around..
I really love the M65 and agree it mixes well with the V30. I recently mixed one with a G12H Anniversary in a vertical 2x12 and I think I like it even better than with the V30.
Mixing speakers is so much fun. Better to put greenbacks on top and V30s at the bottom rather than an X pattern - V30s are noticeably louder so will dominate a little side-by-side. I mix H75 creambacks with V30s for a great tone.
I think this is the ultimate blend. They both make up for the short comings of the other speaker. The only amp i would not do this with would be the Jubilee.
@@Turboy65 in my pretty music rig lol I have a creamback and a greenback and it’s beautiful…ima hook the Uberschall to it and try it out. Although I really feel the v30 go really well with Bogner stuff because they can get flubby
In this head to head, I prefer the Marshall cabinet, but they pair beautifully. I've always been told that the 75s that everyone did they hate pair well with V30s.
Another great video, Ola. That Marshall cab sounded pretty rough before. I like it better than the Mesa now. I hear a fizzy/buzzy quality from the Mesa that bothers me. I guess that would be the "harshness". I also tend to like mids, so....
the cabinet itself makes a huge difference...as for the speakers, i couldnt decide what to load my jcm900 cab with a few years ago, so i did the X pattern v30's & greenbacks...it's now a beast
As always, it's about context. In isolation the v30s sounded very harsh, but in the right mix, they are going to cut through nicely. Greenbacks sound 'nicer' in isolation and will match a different style of mix better.
Yeah I like v30s in a Mesa 4x12 cab (especially oversized) as it seems to give more bass and fullness than v30s in a Marshall or any other cab except maybe an Engl but in my view Engl has made some of the best high gain amps & cabs since Marshall and Mesa came along. The 30w Greenbacks (and the heavy version, though I see a lot more mediums) are cool too and a little overlooked (but get a good metal sound with some punk influence) but the 25 watt Greenback is the classic of course.
I think different heads match better with certain speakers too. My Mesa sounds amazing through V30's but when I plug it into my Marshall cab with GT-75's it doesn't sound nearly as good. The same is true when I plug my Marshall DSL into the Mesa cab...it just doesn't sound as good as it does through the Marshall cab. Plugging either head into both cabs though...amazing when mixed.
That was the best comparison video ever, I could actually hear the difference and the personality of each cab🤘 bad ass Ola! That V30 and Green back combination is amazing! Thank you....
I've been frustrated chasing my tone for a while, I'd been considering swapping out the V30s in my cab for greenbacks...this video settled it! No comparison!
So the greenbacks sound good, but nothing sounded better then both cabs at the same time dude. That was heavenly!!! Whatever the greenbacks don’t have up high the other cab deff had covered and was just, awesome man!!! *chefs kiss*
Nice comparison video. Using both separately, the Greenback cab could be used to record for rhythm guitar parts and the V30 could be used to record for lead guitar parts.
Greenbacks always sounded like you took a blanket off the speakers compared to the V30. You should do a speaker colab video with Johan Segeborn! Old school vs new school!
I’m switching out my v30s for the greenbacks after this. Sounds way better to me. Plus I use an evh 5150 through a 212 Mesa cab and I can’t get the highs out no matter what but those greenbacks sound PERFECT
You gotta set your highs and miss lower than you usually would on other amps. I used to own the 6505 with a 4x12 mesa and could not get a decent tone till I dialed back all my setting. Highs at 5, mids at 4 and everything else to your taste
I love the v30 and greenbacks in an X pattern with my Uberschall. Yeah when I first got the rig together my wife and kids left me after the house melted but it was worth it. And I’d do it again.
New jeans Ola? I just bought a hex head and Marshall cab a few weeks back. I’m slowly building a professional quality rig and your videos are super helpful and entertaining. Much love from Vancouver island
For me the result of that was: Greenbacks all the way :) I have one old 2x12 cab (straight and closed) with one vintage Rola-Celestion Greenback and one Celestion V30. Both have been used for years, so well broken in :) Vastly different obviously, but each sounds great on my Marshall JVM, and when played together it's absolutely amazing!! I'd try that trick, if impedance allows: Put 2 Greenbacks in the Boogie cab, and 2 V30s in the Marshall... Each cab with 2 inputs so you can switch to whatever suits you!
I got a carvin Legacy cab with greenbacks, sounds great! The cab is light weight, loud, cuts through the mix and really smoothes out whatever tones you put through it.
From this side the Marshall definitely sounds WAY better. Has much more clarity, crunch, bite, articulation - the mesa cab sounds mushy, bassy, and fizzy in comparison - like a radio station not quite dialed in to tune. When you mixed the two it just mucked up the Marshall sound. I'm sure it probably sounded different in the room - but that's how it came across to me from this side.
A great way to compare, other than using same model cabinet, would be to use 2 identical amplifiers and then EQ each setup to what you would normally set them to. Then you would see see if the tones differ for how you would use them.
Wow! I can watch this shit all day, love the tone you’re getting from the Marshall cab, but that combined tone was wild. Glenn Fricker was so right about the speakers making the tone. Great job.
I have a Friedman vertical 2x12 with two V30's in it and a VHT vertical 2x12 with a DV77 in the top and a H75 Creamback in the bottom. I love mixing and matching them together with my different amps and getting different sounds.
You EQ'd the amp to sound good with the greenbacks, then also played it thru the v30s. I bet if you EQ'd the amp to sound badass with the v30's then played thru greenbacks it'd sound like a 1930s radio
THIS. People REALLY overlook how much the amp's EQ can make or break different speakers/cabs. Not blaming Ola, but lots of people in the comments are saying the v30s sound lke shit when it's not actually the case.
@@plumbummusic2051 He also mention, in the video, about being able to adjust the EQ on the V30s to help with tone. So I don't think people will be overlooking that fact if they watch the video all the way through....
@@lovescarguitar You're giving guitar players too much credit, based on the comments in this video you'll see what I mean by people overlooking the amp's tonestack, many are saying something like "wow the v30 sounded like shit in comparison" or "I prefer the GBs over the v30s". Also musicians will spend hundreds of dollars on new stuff before tweaking something in their equipment that was made to balance (or "equalize") different frequency responses.
Been saying for a long time, Greenbacks rules🤘🏻 Love my T-75s also. So a T-75 vs GBK comparising is what you need to do Ola. With a JVM or DSL head👍🏻 PLEEEAAASEEE MAN🙏🏻 Cheerz från Vårgårda.
Waiting for Peavey invictive 2x12 cab to come in, it’s got a v30 and cream back so should have a relatively similar combo like the greenback and v30 super hyped for it
Ola bay bay can you do one with all the cabs turned on I know you can do it now lol always remember more metal than anyone is more cabs than anyone . Also show us the hotwire trick to double the power
I had one of those Marshall heads. A 2210. Best head I ever heard. It had serious reliability issues though. Reverb went out, kept blowing fuses, developed the infamous channel bleed... it just cost too much to keep running. This was back in the day though, and people weren't so good at servicing them. They were one of the first channel switching amps and it was just new technology that was kind of buggy.
Greenback for the win, although I have both myself and find them very similar your demo is more high gain. I also have a rock 20 wizard cab that sounds amazing, cheers
I don’t know why but the vintage 30 speakers just sound very harsh in this demo I played a Peavey 6505 amplifier into an Orange cab loaded with vintage 30 speakers and that sounded perfect!
I mix the stock Peavey Sheffields with Greenbacks in my Peavey Ms412 oversized cab. Its got mono and stereo wiring for ton of different tones and these Peavey cabs are cheap.
Cannibal Corpse switched from Mesa cab w/ V30s to a Marshall w/Greenbacks for Violence Unimagined. Most likely on the new Chaos Horrific album too. That ultra high gain greenback tone is insane. I think they still use the V30s live though.