Speaker Battle: Vintage 30 Vs. Greenback in a Metal Mix 

Haha thanks man!

Same bruh!

Thanks a lot! Appreciate it

Wow thanks man. Its pretty minimal. Im about to post a new one, maybe Ill start focusing more on what Im doing in the production...

Thanks man! I have a few new ones that I'll be posting very soon.

Thanks man! I definitely like both. The greenback was brighter than I thought It would be but in the right application it is awesome.

Yea man, Greenback is cool. Lots of 8k slice.

Agreed!

Thanks man!

Hey thanks man! I like your thumbnail. Busey all day

Thanks dude. I was pretty impressed with the Greenback also. Very solid

I've experimented with that a little bit. Gives a nice wide stereo field.

Greenbacks are great imho.

Thanks!

Thanks dude! I have considered creambacks also. Every demo I hear, I think they sound great.

Thanks dude. I dig the greenbacks for sure.

Thanks man. I'm working on a new cover right now, should be posted pretty soon.

I think the Greenbacks sound great in this mix. The V30s still sound awesome though... a cab loaded with V30s and a cab loaded with Greenbacks would be pretty sweet. Does this track have a name? Can we find it on your bandcamp?

Thanks! I agree that the greenback really worked on this track. I should give the greenbacks another go. No name for the track, but Ill be announcing a new project very soon!

@@aheadofmetal Awesome! Can't wait to hear it. Love this tune. It's dark, kinda sludgy, a head bobber for sure. Love it

@@californiadaze thanks a lot man

Thanks dude. I think I need to put the Greenback back in my avatar cab and give it another go :)

Agreed. I honestly like both very much.

No prob dude thanks for checkin it out!

Which version of creamback? I have wanted to try those as well...

@@aheadofmetal the 75w version

@@wfd666 nice, that's the version I was going to check out.

Bingo! One of the biggest revelations to me over the past year is just how much listening to guitar tones in solo is pointless. I always choose the darker and fuller speaker in solo. But I am consistantly surprised at how little low end you actually need/want from guitars in a full mix.

Good point. I started doing that on the newer videos

Blending is usually the way I go. As long as the phase is right, it usually works better.

Thanks dude. I thought the greenback crushed this one too. The mic was a regular SM58 (I dont own a 57).

​@@aheadofmetalThanks, man! Seems like it's time to grab the 58 and some greenbacks.

@@babatork the 58 is a good mic (57 is more common but I actually like a 58 a little more). Heck even a 20 dollar Amazon basics mic sounds awesome on guitar....

​@@aheadofmetal Man, I recently decided to shake things up by using my NT1A microphone with my Peavey 2x12 instead of my trusty Kemper setup. And you know what? I finally achieved the tone I've been chasing for years. It's pretty funny because I always assumed that specific sound I wanted could only come from tubes, so I never even bothered to try without a tube amp. But it turns out, it's more about the cab and mic. I didn't even approach it systematically; I just went for it, slapping the mic center on the speaker in a totally unconventional position. And against all odds, it worked like a charm. This whole experience has got me realizing there's a lot more to speakers than I've given them credit for. So now, I'm diving deep into the world of speaker tech. I can talk hours about it.

@@babatork you and me both bro - I've come to realize a very similar thing. Just by moving a microphone 2mm's right or left changes the tone much more than swapping heads or pedals, and sometimes one side of the speaker sounds better than the other! Lately Ive been far down the speaker buying/selling rabbit hole which is fun. I only have one condenser mic but I never got it to sound good on guitar....glad you got a good tone with one. Makes me want to experiment more with my SM7B... Another thing I found - throwing up 4 mics on 2 2x12 cabinets and blending 4 different speakers together actually sounds great. It's like the phase differences between speakers actually helps the tone round out a bit. I still align the phase visually, but I was amazed how well it works. Even when normalizing the volume between all speakers and blend options, all 4 at the same time sounded the best to me.

Yea I won't lie Im debating taking my v30s out for a while...

Couple of thoughts, 1) Check the sensitivity rating on both speakers online. Ideally you would want both speaker types to be within +-3db of each other. Any wider and you'll start to hear volume differences between speakers regardless of if the speakers are in 1 cab or 2. This is different from the wattage. Wattage doesnt matter for loudness, it just means that's the volume at which the speaker starts to "break up". Lower wattage speakers move more at lower volumes. 2) V30s tend to also "dominate" a bit more than other speakers because they have a resonant peak around 2.3-3.5k which is the most sensitive to the human ear canal (its the babycry/ambulance frequency). 3) If you are mixing with microphones, be careful about phase alignment between 2 speakers because it can radically change the tone. I personally find that changing the volume of one of the 2 speakers doesn't actually do much when 2 speakers are both mic's in bright positions (other than alter the phase). It usually works best when i have one speaker mic'd for darkness and the other for the top end. Good luck and cheers

Thanks!

Blending is the move

Yea i think the greenbacks have more 8k and less of a 4k spike like the v30s.

I think it would. I always think about speaker wattage more in terms of "here is how much volume I can put through them before they start moving". The cool thing about lower wattage speakers is you get a nice push of air on the chugs when you are loud.

Believe me when I say you're almost certainly not using anywhere remotely near the full power rating of your amp at any given time. 100 watts worth of speakers will be fine. As long as you don't run your master volume all the way up.

I think so too. Probably because of how prominent the 3-4k spike is. That is the most sensitive area of human hearing from what I understand.

Greenback is very underrated. This was my favorite here too.

It was an early 2000. I believe I bought the cabinet in 2003...

Yup I agree. The greenback has more content 8k and above which verges on too bright when you hear it by itself. But in a mix, it gives a nice crispy detail without smothering the 4k ambulance/babycry frequency that the v30 is known for. The v30 needs more eq notching when used by itself, but blending somehow works great with the v30.

Checked your fredman video. I use that technique sometimes but normally just blend going straight on and make sure the phase is aligned.

@@aheadofmetalDid you do any notching/EQ in this example? I guess not?

@@lordgraga To be honest I don't remember, I probably did a little notch in the 4k region. That is pretty typical for me.

@@aheadofmetal Yeah I haven't even started recording my first EP yet so I don't know what I'm gonna end up liking most in context. Fredman does have a nice sound, but we'll see.

These are all 16 ohm speakers actually.

Thanks man!

@@aheadofmetal Check out the DV77 by Eminence of you havent already

@@profile_01 I have wanted to check that out, seems like it would be awesome.

They are growing on me for sure!

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@@aheadofmetal Do you recall the general settings? Red channel? Vintage or modern channel cloning?

@@matt-evans if I remember correctly this would have been EL34s, red channel preamp cloned to the orange poweramp. Probably a bit of extra mids on the amp and a little less treble this time around.

@@matt-evans knowing me, the channel volume would have been up pretty high also.

@@aheadofmetal Appreciate the info! You're getting some great tones. Do you typically run the loop off for fuller low end?

Yes sir!

@@aheadofmetal interesting!

@@genghisghost why do you ask? I just replaced 2 8 ohm speakers in that cabinet...

@@aheadofmetal in my experience, 8 ohm sounds way different than 16 ohm. 16 ohm tends to sound more scratchy and have less bass but yours sound great even at 16 ohm which is why i was surprised. I use Heritage Greenbacks with the heavy H magnet. at least with those, there’s a huge difference between 16 and 8 ohm. i settled on 8

@@aheadofmetal may i ask what amp you were using in the demo?

Agreed!