Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Discovery 5.5 - Mirrors 

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@@hawkstringfellow Detmer and Owosekun.

Rhys got to be on Pike’s Enterprise when he and the rest of the Disco crew were evacuated from their ship in preparation for its planned destruction in order to keep the Sphere Data away from Control in season 2. Burnham needed Rhys to stay at tactical in case Discovery ran into trouble.

Serves him right for actually appearing on the episode. /s

Both Raynor and Rhys admitting love and adoring it.. neither got on.. sounds fair

I keep thinking these actors weren't available to film after the actors strike. This was a way to write the characters out of the show

They didn't kill him, so it's possible. But I'm hoping Combs shows up as a Progenitor.

So all humanoid life is actually based on Jeffery Combs… that would explain a lot!

I thought Lak was played be Jeffery Combs? LOL

Sean mentioned the High Channcloer was Mirror Spock and got killed for reforming. I wonder how Sean knew that?

@@jacklai633 It was from the first DS9 mirror episode. Intendant Kira referenced how the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance took over, in part because Spock disarmed the Empire during peace talks.

​@bjorn00000 see I think this is why they didn't do what Sean wanted. It was already told what happened to Spock in that DS9 episode.

@@pookhahare I think it would have been hard as they would have had to use archival footage of Leonard Nimoy, since it likely took until the time of the TOS movies for mirror-Spock to become chancellor. What also complicates things was the stardate on the plaque, as the escape of the ISS Enterprise happened only about a decade prior to the events of "Crossover". While it explains why Kovich knew the Terran Empire fell, it also makes it very unclear whether the Empire a generation before "Crossover", or just a decade.

@@bjorn00000 We get the feeling from DS9 that the Terran Empire didn't collapse recently (there are human slaves who have lived at least most of their whole 30-40 year lives as slaves), but it didn't happen so long ago that the shaky alliance built specifically to combat the Empire had fallen apart yet, forgotten the brutality of the Empire, or gone on to conquer other nearby civilizations like the Romulans. My guess is that the Empire was more or less defeated about 50 years before Crossover, but that some distant parts of it weren't fully conquered for another 10 or 20 years. A few left over individual ships of the Empire might even still be around, hiding in the darkness even at the time of Crossover. This more or less lines up with the timeline seen in Discovery, but it also provides a reason for the unstable Alliance to still be around when Crossover happens. Without an external threat to focus on, it wouldn't last for long. And indeed it doesn't, as we see later in DS9.

Schroeder played the piano, not Linus

@@The_Str4nger thank you! I appreciate the correction.

Wow! Missed that

I heard that too.

Loved that reference to Captain Pike.

I will not “engage” in this joke….lol

@@good_teanice_house6789 Make it so.

Shaw...Shaw...who's Shaw again?

@@lightningwingdragon973 Hot dickhead captain from Picard season 3

@@lightningwingdragon973Ouch!!!

Sadly, it will probably happen in the exact same time and conditions as in ST: Picard.

@@DarkPhilosopherOG Wrong. Callum Keith Rennie thought when he took on the role that it would be for multiple seasons and he was getting ready to do season 6 when he found out that the show had been cancelled.

I watched all trailers and sneak peeks and still geeked out, because all the ISS Enterprise previous was nothing but just theories. It's great to see the theory is true! 🖖🖖🖖

Have you watched the Star Trek: Continues episode of the mirror universe where they did a continuation of TOS episode-Mirror-Mirror ???

It’s Jack O’Neill. ✌️ 2 Ls!!! 😄😄

@@Dave619. Dang it... you beat me to it... just a shame there isn't an emoji with 3 raised fingers. :)

The character knowledge was meant to show the development between “crew” who had only one specialism and “academy officers” whose education is equated to the equivalent of three of todays PhDs. That is how the characters, understanding and background is driven specifically. It is referenced in one of the centre seat episodes discussing the differences in Enterprise and TNG. in ent there is a scientist, engineer but by the time they realised and developed space travel they found the engineer need3d to understand complex physics, the medical doctor needed to understand material chemistry etc.. that and command crew were pulled from ranked backgrounds and not command crew as Archer was trained but specifically Archeology (Picard)😅, or BioScience (Janeway) and Weapon Physics (Sisko) they all had completed multiple PhD level studies in multiple subjects so a bridge crew of five officers could, in theory have 15 different doctorates between them in the latter franchises.. hence how these conversations and solutions work.. when Wesley is pushed back in the academy following the shuttle accident he specifically refers adding a fourth subject matter to his resume so its clear somehow that they have streamlined education in these complexities to a year per doctorate at Academy level Jack Crusher refers to being a formal medical doctor several times from an off world institution, despite no academy attendance yet, and no historical formal education after his time in England so it is clearly more streamlined, specific and relevant then what we do today.

I've been likening him to Michael Garibaldi, but yeah-O'Neill is definitely a better fit.

@@samwalker8893 I read through some Optometry texts a while back. I remember thinking at the time that you could compress all the actually useful knowledge in them into a 3 month course that any intelligent person should be able to follow. Instead Optometry needs a "gatekeeper" undergrad degree (which serves little purpose except to weed out candidates), and then 4 years on top of that of Optometry school. 8 years of very expensive schooling at for profit schools for something that could consist of 3 months of schooling and a four year on-the-job apprenticeship. Our higher education system is absurd. Not because you don't learn anything even in the most "useless" undergrad degree (a good student can learn a lot in any system), but because it's technically suppose to be focused on getting people jobs, but it does it in the most round-about back-asswards way possible. If you intended to train people on specific jobs, most jobs would only need a few months of actual school followed by a long tiered apprenticeship. If you were going to teach people to be better people, or teach them to have a lifelong desire to learn new things on their own - which is the justification I normally hear for the existence of our current system... a four year undergrad degree is an extremely poor and slow way to do that. Very 19th century. Very outdated.

Ooh that is an excellent suggestion

right because you can learn so much from a 23 rd Century ship from the mirror universe in in the 33. Century

@@TK000Master There's a parallel with how real-world militaries train people there, though. Pilots learn in a glider, then an old, cheap and reliable jet before they're let anywhere near a modern combat aircraft. Most navies also use older ships in drydock to teach cadets, in fact I think the Royal Navy still trains some on sailing ships or at least used to. There's something to be said for teaching the basics on ships with less advanced tech to fall back on/ mess up.

@@Majere613 i agree but not on a 1000 years old ship. Even if brand new. The tech on it is just way to old that it makes sense. At least to me.

@@TK000Master *points to discovery's refit*

I rhought so too, but in a second watching he shoots all of them in the shoulder. Not aiming to kill.

I did wonder about that one - it gave me Chameleon vibes!

Don't disregard it before trying it. It's basic knowledge for any respectable foodie.

That sounds delicious 😊

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

@@Esperi74 😉👌

I am from Taiwan and I LOVE Hainanese Chicken Rice! 🖖🖖🖖 Singapore also has a cable channel having licensed from Paramount to air Discovery and Strange New Worlds. Unfortunately Taiwan still has no Paramount+ nor any other platforms/cable channnels for Discovery nor Strange New Worlds 😥😥😥

My thoughts exactly. I was thinking how did he possibly know it was the ISS, but yeah in the blazing light coming from behind it, how did he possibly know it was the Enterprise.

Yeah, he really should have said, "Is that a Constitution Class?" while glancing over at Rhys.

Sean doesn't really look for the "downs."

And an up from me for the Alien shirt on Alien Day.

/\ /\ /\ /\ /\ this. 👍🖖

Law of Equivalent Exchanges? We have not seen or I believe heard about the current Federation starship to have the name "Enterprise". Perhaps the ISS Enterprise gets a similar refit as USS Discovery, and gains a Letter and the "USS Enterprise" designation. Assuming they don't just put her in the museum (next to the Enterprise-D?)

I hope the Starfleet Museum we saw from Star Trek Picard does survive the Burn!

@@jacklai633 should do. The warp engines weren't in use

@@jacklai633exactly that… i expect to see it there next to the ENTIRE rebuilt or resalvaged enterprise line up from 1701 through to 1701-M or whatever they are on…. The fact they were very specific that ONLY engines in use blew.. and that they were creating the museum in cgi for another series would help spread development costs with both features wanting to use it.. i think it further cements picards need for the name drop earlier in the game. The final clue? In picards ready room on the D

The Bajoran not knowing more about wormholes could be her family in past migrated away from Bjor. So you hear about but never seen it.

Thank you for mentioning about the photon torpedo! It bothered me soo much and sad to not see it mentioned in the torpedo. Also I'm sad for the quantum torpedo, photon torpedoes were being phased out as of tng film time but new shows seem to have forgotten them (similar shame warp drive not slipstream in far future, despite its mention).

... Also, not on video, down for me: Mol and l'ak escape on a warp capable old shuttle thing from enterprise because plot needs them too. 1- if that was there escape on that from wormhole rather than try with whole ship! 2- chase them! Discovery must be orders of magnitude faster and with better sensors no way they should be able to escape

@@kleb3510my guess is the warp pod isn’t designed to work in… not warp, and they had just used a lot of energy rescuing the Enterprise

The "lived in" look of the Enterprise wasn't from Doctor Cho, it was from the refugees that had fled the ship through the aperture. Presumably they left all that stuff behind because it wouldn't fit in the escape pods and shuttles. Sucks for the little kid who lost their gorn stuffy:(.

"Starfleet code section 12 paragraph 4....."

Not in TNG. Riker goes to Away Team mission and Picard stays on the ship

Until the films

@@jacklai633 As it should be. I dont recall Janeway inserting herself into every away mission either.

Up to TNG, yes. TNG and after, no. As I said elsewhere, because discovery’s crew is from the TOS era, they are doing things the old fashioned way.

No! We should have never seen a Breen 😡

I thank you, I thank you

Absolutely. John and Bjo are the best. I met them in March 1991 at the 25th year anniversary celebration of the SCA when it was held here in Texas. My condolences to Baroness Flavia OL (Bjo), and Lady Kathryn and Lady Lara.

The assassinated Terran reformer was an alternate version of Emperor Georgiou.

@@thomashong2938 no it was Spock. That's clear in the context of the episode and the TOS episode and what was said about mirror Spock in DS9: he tried to reform the empire and was assassinated, and (per this episode of DSC) his followers fled on the ISS Enterprise to the prime universe.

@@jamesfoster9613 Yeah, I didn’t read the plaque when I posted earlier.

100% confused about the timelines. Aren’t they way past the Spock Terran era in this one? So why would a cameo make sense? Happy to be corrected by those smarter than I am :) Oh, a cameo from the past?? I think I get that then. So yes, missed opportunity. Too bad she had no other way of knowing what her Terran brother had done. A down makes sense then.

​@@lcflngnyeah a video recording. Maybe part of the speech for reform or some such.

Yes yes yes…. So many missed this.. many missed mourn .. he has been spotted in several “starfleet bars” since… Picard, LD and SNW have all shown a mourn at a bar

@@samwalker8893 I suppose it's possible that many Lurians have some equivalent to male pattern baldness. We just happen not to have seen any with a magnificent head of hair. But my guess is that rather than having missed the fact that Morn's species had hair, the Discovery makeup artists probably tried some wigs on the actors and couldn't make anything work that didn't look absolutely ridiculous. Seriously, think about Morn in a massive enough wig to make his hair as "magnificent" as Quark implied. It's weird lol!

The ship didn’t fit through the wormhole mcguffin till they mcguffined it just in time

@@morebaileyskimAnd then suddenly a shuttle magically appeared.

​@@richardvinsen2385That was my big down. All the shuttles were gone. How did they get into one to leave the area?

@@jeffs6090 At this point, why are they even talking about tracking them? They don’t have a single clue so is it really a race to beat them to the progenitor tech?

@@jeffs6090 They installed SB equipment into a torpedo shell.

Maybe it's that the producers are finally paying attention to the fans.

I was wondering if I had misremembered that. I like the suggestion that Georgio actually did go back though. The episode made it seem like it was some kind of test or something only she experienced meaning she wasn’t back.

Agreed. Not only did the ship have power, but the force fields, holo-emitters, and tractor beam worked just fine, and clearly the life support and artificial gravity were still active. Seems odd to abandon a vessel when it was still space worthy.

ROFLOL

They did basically Goatse their way out of it in the end...

NP: "I'm an ass man" - entrance song for Billy Gunn in WWE

😂😅

Indeed - as assuming the Breen were as affected by the Burn as everyone else, it would make sense that more efficient armor design would be a thing. Or to really over-think it, fashions change... big chunky 24th century helmets and armour might just be embarrassingly old-fashioned 800 years later.

Hint: Discovery S02

@@coolraul07 there is a huge wormhole, that glows bright white. therefore he can only see the silhouette of the ship. no chance to read the text on the ship.

::hand waves:: *Tardigrade DNA*

@@GSBarlev does this tive him super vision?

@@robertheinrich2994 My comment was sarcastic, but I could see an explanation that he has superhuman powers of observation when it comes to trans-dimensional shenanigans.

I think it would have been awesome if it was the Enterprise-E and we finally found out what happened to it - Worf lost it in a wormhole!

@@OldManYellsAtClouds that's my bad I could have sworn he said he had to jump to win, but my point still stands about the rooms he runs through.

RIGHT???

Owo and Detmer are familiar with piloting the systems. Rhys could have likely been aboard, but not mentioned to monitor the engineering section.

@@thewi2kbug Well, here's hoping that's the case. I guess we'll see next week if Rhys is still aboard Discovery.

Burnham needs Rhys by her side at tactical. Besides, he has already been on a Constitution class ship. In season 2, Rhys and the rest of the Disco crew were evacuated to Pike’s Enterprise in preparation for blowing up their ship to keep the Sphere Data away from Control.

Hard to observe those curves from the inside.

This

Same here. Maybe the version Sean reviewed was a screener before the line was trimmed.

The long snout should have remained...