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Ursa Mini Pro 12k!!! The camera filmmaking deserves? But not the one it needs right now? 

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Why the Blackmagic Design Ursa Mini Pro 12k cinema camera may not be what "we" were asking for but may very well be a revolutionary force in digital motion picture capture. Blackmagic raw is just getting warmed up.
0:40 specs
2:20 My first thoughts
2:44 What I was hoping for Ursa G3
3:23 Ursa G2 Facebook group wants for G3
3:53 What have we got instead
4:28 PL mount S35 means something
5:50 bucking the full frame trend
6:18 My subjective assumptions
7:13 revolutionary camera and sensor (and braw)
7:36 Do we need all these K's?
8:44 What do we need to see now?
9:43 A shift in customer focus and a vision from BMD
10:23 Final thoughts and hopes for a G3
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@Aaron_Smith_OM
@Aaron_Smith_OM 4 года назад
I agree with the increase in dynamic range, but what we have to understand, is that full frame, IBIS, and AF is for photography. This camera isn't for hybrid shooters. In the cinema world, those things are unreliable when left to the camera to make the choice of how to stabilize and focus. For full frame, the cinema standard has been super 35. ARRI, RED, BM, they have super 35 or large format (beyond full frame) sensors. 12K opens up so many options in the VFX, CGI, and nature/wildlife worlds. Even in feature and commercial work, this camera is going to do well. BM has covered their bases with this move. From the pocket cameras to the Ursas, there's something for everyone that won't break the bank, regardless of your market.
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
I think you are 100% correct on all fronts. My initial though was, huh? What!? But the more I read, the more I thought about it. This is a superb tool and what braw is doing downscaling internally is revolutionary. Thanks for watching
@JaspreetSinghArtist
@JaspreetSinghArtist 4 года назад
I also see that lots of filmmakers may endup buying it. here in Punjabi film industry they use Red or Arri on rent and mostly its like 350$ per day and most of those film need to shoot for 25-30 days so for some it may make sense to buy 12k Ursa to shoot 8k format then rent Red for their shoot ever time when they are making film.
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
@@JaspreetSinghArtist Makes sense! Can't wait to try one out
@threefoldtv
@threefoldtv 4 года назад
Great overview! I think its super exciting to see how braw is evolving and how good performance is and how efficient it's getting. The 12k is certainly tempting especially with the new sensor tech and being able to shoot 8k and 4k with no cropping. The biggest thing holding us back is the form factor, it certainly isn't bad but if it were a more modular form factor like the DSMC2 cameras or Mavo Edge we would buy it in a heart beat. We shoot shoot everything from handheld, jib, gimbal, ect. and having a modular camera system makes life so much easier. Having a monitor that can be separated from the camera completely is so nice (especially when its rigged out on a gimbal). If they could even just shorten up the URSA mini a bit so it wasnt so long and create a separate monitor system (like DSMC2 or Kinefinity) that can be used with the Blackmagic OS to control the camera that would sell us. We use the blackmagic 4k and 6k in conjunction with our Helium DSCM2 and we honestly prefer Blackmagic's OS, its so much more fluid and straight forward and we love using braw and how well it integrates with Resolve. With as much as we've come to love Blackmagic our biggest issue always comes back to the ergonomics.
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
Thanks buddy. Yep I agree BRAW is going from strength to strength and it's soo easy and fast to work with. Yes R3d is perhaps more flexible (adjusting curves at the raw level for example) but BRAW is just so good. I think there are a lot of people that feel similar to you about the Ursa form factor. I shoot a lot off the shoulder, handheld and on sticks so I'm personally cool with it. Shane who does a lot of our gimbal shots would love a Red size body. We have the SSD recorder and with that thing attached it's a mini rocket launcher... worth it though. It would be Great to see an Ursa Mini Pro 12k... mini. Lol. A smaller gimbal friendly model. We use our 6k on a gimbal but it took Shane a lot of time and ordered in counter weights to get it to work (Ronin-S and Ronin-MX with Nucleus M). Coming from RED too (Scarlet-w and MX) I think BMD's UI/OS is the best I've ever used. Hopefully we see more options from them soon in the ergonomics department. May I ask, how do you find matching the Helium with the 6k? I've not touched a Helium. Would love to know! Thanks mate
@mochouinard
@mochouinard 4 года назад
When you go at 12k on a S35 sensor size, then your actual focus range is super tiny and for the 12k, it only usable for high f-stop. Focus is only an illusion, and the more you zoom in, the more you lose that illusion. I don't have (or interested) in the exact math behind it, but it can be represented as a parabola, where the very bottom of it where it hit 0 is where you have a perfect focus ! But that would be infinity small and unusable. But lucky for us, we just need to perceived it as in focus, so we can create a horizontal line and raise it up to the point where we can see the image is in focus in 4k for example ! But if you shoot in 12k using the same sensor size, you have to lower that horizontal, and you lose a lot of that usable critical focus point. I haven't seen much people talk about this, and I know this exist, but I'm not sure if it possible to tweak that with different optic to make that bottom of the "parabola" flatter but keeping similar depth of field... Or maybe going medium or large format actually what needed to flatten this bottom curve. But for me, and I think for the industry, 12k is unusable EXCEPT for special situation where you want everything in focus, so you make sure that bottom of the parabola is flat by changing the f-stop and distance of the subject. So for special effect it might be great, and filming a boat far away... But I'm not sure how usable it really is ! I know even at 6k I struggle with the level of precision required in my focus ! What I think is needed is eye detection where it show a zoom in of the eyes in a shot so we can more easily focus on them ! Have a second camera output for that purpose only if need be !
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
Interesting. Bit over my head / wasn't aware of this. I reckon if we picked up the Ursa Mini Pro 12k we'd primarily shoot in 8k and 4k. Looking forward to seeing scale down comparisons... thanks for sharing your insights with us!!!
@MrAlwaysOnTen
@MrAlwaysOnTen 4 года назад
You Got Me Confused Man
@DeanHarringtonimages
@DeanHarringtonimages 4 года назад
The camera is for those who work in a traditional manner with film projects... no auto anything! If you can handle these elements in production, you can use this 12K camera!
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
100%
@JaspreetSinghArtist
@JaspreetSinghArtist 4 года назад
most of the movies are made with Red , Arri kind of cameras without any auto focus or something. everything manually controlled for results they are looking for. this camera is focused for that kind of users. but the sensor technology going to change upcoming pocket cameras or whatever affordable they release.
@DeanHarringtonimages
@DeanHarringtonimages 4 года назад
@@JaspreetSinghArtist ... I expect an 8K pocket, with swivel or swing-out LCD, internal MC SSDs behind the LCD, same sensor, and a better battery solution to hit the market to go with the 12K cameras.
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
@@DeanHarringtonimages this sounds amazing
@leebrandt8597
@leebrandt8597 4 года назад
As an independent filmmaker, this camera could do well for my next hour and a half crime drama feature. Having to film in 14 days has many complications, one of them being setups. With this camera I can shoot 8k wide, and in post do my medium and close up shots, therefore saving time.
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
Hey Lee, are you worried about not changing focal lengths for different shots? Don't get me wrong I crop in occaisionally to improve/correct framing etc. Not to that extent though... Although I've not shot higher than 6k either.
@leebrandt8597
@leebrandt8597 4 года назад
@@AlucinorProductions In optimal conditions with optimal time-frame, changing to different focal lenses is preferred. That being said, many ultra low budget features are always running against the clock, and in certain situations it would be more time-efficient to shoot wide on 8k, then reframe in post for medium and close up. So it's not a solution for all situations obviously
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
@@leebrandt8597 cool man. Goodluck with the film! Be sure to share our way when u have a trailer
@AxelAxe
@AxelAxe 4 года назад
hey Lee. I would recommend you get 2 of the Mini Pro 4.6K and get more coverage that way. For my feature that's what we did, and it works better than the cropping for your close ups. You would get the performances of both actors at the same time for those great takes; making it easier for your actors too. You have to also remember your hard drive cost will be steep shooting 8-12K, and post will be expensive too. Best of luck with your feature man. I love to see people here in RU-vid doing narrative work too.
@daviddejuannavarro291
@daviddejuannavarro291 4 года назад
Fair points. The only think that matters to me is the new sensor. Need to see that in action
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
Yeah I can't wait to try it. Especially because this new technology will no doubt make its way into other BMD cameras
@germancreatives88
@germancreatives88 4 года назад
You can shoot 4k 6k and 8k if you don't like 12k
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
100% I'd be moving between 8k and 4k. Mostly shooting 8k I think. But Im waiting to see how the internal downscaling performs
@robertm3951
@robertm3951 4 года назад
I just want an URSA Mini G2 with more dynamic range and a C100 Mark 2 with 4K RAW.
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
The G2 is sensational IMO. But more highlight latitude is always welcome for sure!!! Would you want to see a full frame version? Or autofocus integration? (I personally shoot predominantly on manual glass so I'm not desperate for it). BUT... when we occaisionally do one man band quick interview shoots half decent face tracking AF would be neat... then I'd buy a few canon lenses. Funny you mentioned the C100 Mk II. Do you have that? We should be testing the C300 mkii (not 3) next week recording BRAW to the Video Assist 7". Wanting to see if it's a worhwile investment for those kind of interview shoots and how it integrates with the Ursa G2 color wise (And what difference BRAW will make). I've been told by BMD that they haven't got it to adjust WB in post yet though... (but that was some months ago) hopefully that's coming
@TheFilmGuyOfficial
@TheFilmGuyOfficial 4 года назад
I'll be getting the c300! I can't trust the build quality of the Ursa's especially when its 19k AUD, if you look at the hair of the people in the example footage from the bm12k you can still see IR pollution.
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
C300mkiii? Share some footage with us when u get it! Was that John Brawleys stuff? I havent looked at it in resolve yet. I dont think ill be buying a new A cam for at least a year or so. G2 is doing the job for now.... lol I say that now anyway. But we are still considering the c300mkii as an interview camera (for one man band autofocus). Should be lining up for a day next week to test braw from it and colour matching with the ursa. Its not a need but now that they're cheaper... and with us occaisionally doing one man band interview shoots when u sit next to the camera I dont want to worry about focus... OR! Thinking of getting some Fuji primes for our xt3 and an xt4 to pair with it for fast content and autofocus. I just have the 16-55 2.8 which is what I shoot on for RU-vid... what a rant lol. Goodluck with the c300!! Reliable purchase I would think
@TheFilmGuyOfficial
@TheFilmGuyOfficial 4 года назад
@@AlucinorProductions sure man! Location equitment just got the 300mk 3 in so ill grab it next time I have a hire paying gig. I have also just ordered the new a7s Mark 3 which is going to be my low-budget/interview camera. 10bit will fix any issue I have with sony colors
@CoveringFish
@CoveringFish 4 года назад
When they say 14 stops I think This thing is closer to 16 but only 14 usable stops therefore showing they aren’t ashamed at being honest
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
I really hope that's the case! If it is big kudos to BMD. I think Arri are the only 100% super honest about their true "clean" DR (I may be wrong about that though). Could see ourselves picking this up in the future. Watching very closely. No NEED for it right now... But I'd love it lol
@timedward8590
@timedward8590 4 года назад
It's not a DSLR stop saying it's not full-frame. cinema super 35mm is full frame
@AlucinorProductions
@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад
Thats a fair point. Although the flagship arri cinema cameras are now way over super35. Same for Red, Canon and Sony
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