@Sam G49 Vitun kusi-kessu, did you just come here to brag about shit that u had nothing to do with? Apparently you didnt get enough attention when you were a kid...
@@asdasdd320 Seems like you are the one who lacked attention as a child with all that anger. As far as I'm concerned he was just telling interesting story about his relatives and at least I found them quite intriguing.
Fights communists in Finnish army... Fights communists in German army... Fights communist Viet Cong in the US army... I think I begin to see a pattern here!
best communist have dead communist, and all comminist country idea has poor. today can see communism not has working all russian go to concurred, and not can live.
Next time I go to Arlington, I will take my son and show him Lauri Torni's grave to let him know it was Finnish men and women heroes of that time that made all the difference in my life, I was born in a FREE country because of them, PERKELE!!!
@@CombatArmsChannel They even found his DP-28 LMG, that was hidden during the "Asekätkentä" where Finns hid away weapons. Idea was that if Soviets decided to occupy Finland, Finns could arm guerrilla army.
Combat Arms Channel yes his military record would suggest so but he turned out to be a wimp as president: Koivisto tried to tone down the Baltic countries independence drive when Soviet Union was collapsing and then when Russia was established Yeltsin offered Finland to take the lost territories back he turned it down. I never forgive these two deliberate mistakes of his which both come from cowardice and lack of insight to what is right.
@@pale_saint i can almost guarantee you that if Finland would have taken back Karelia, Russia would some tome later done the same as with Ukraine for example. The border would been just too close with St Petersburg for the Rusikes
My grandfather Sulo Kuirinlahti was part of Detachment Törni from the first moment and was one of 3 surviving from the original company. I asked him if it was true that Mauno Koivisto (Became President of Finland 80s) was also part of Detachment Törni, he replied that "yes but e was only there for 9 months". Im wery proud of what these men and my grandfather did for Finland.
Mauno oli pikakivääriampujana törnin komppaniassa. Muistan viellä kun maunon pikakiväärikin löytyi hyvissä rasvoissa joskus 90 luvulla. Oma sukulainen nimeltään sulo uitto palveli hänen komppaniassaan.
That's the ideal, and sometimes some people manage to do that. And official data goes through hard scrutiny, so hard to slip any bias through. Yet I'd say the EU decision was pushed through by a biased media ridiculing of the opposition, and decision was like 51-49 %, or was 52 for the winner. So we Finns are not free from bias, nowadays hard to get through any meaningful info against the big money, our politicians want to play with the big boys in EU, and now some are in Brussels deciding for Finland in votes where Finland has little power to decide over it's destiny, tags along by the big EU countries. And Finns arguing with each other in RU-vid are far from bias :)
As a Finn I like the fact that you actually know your history. As a person I like the fact that you understand the motivation behind his actions and don't judge him. Respect.
Fun fact. Lauri had tattoo of his blood type in the left side of chest. Just like all SS soldiers had. He cut it off with knife before jumped off from ship and arrived to US.
@Nat Soc Many have a misconception that he fought against the Finns or Americans, but even from this video, it becomes clear that he was only opposed to communism. President Koivisto's weapon was also hidden in the same place in case of a possible Soviet invasion.
@@CombatArmsChannel Indeed, what Mikko said, we have this concept that described as stoic determination, tenacity of purpose, grit, bravery, resilience, and hardiness and is held by Finns themselves to express their national character. Sisu is a grim, gritty, white-knuckle form of courage that is presented typically in situations where success is unlikely. It expresses itself in taking action against the odds, and displaying courage and resoluteness in the face of adversity; in other words, deciding on a course of action, and then adhering to it even if repeated failures ensue. It is in some ways similar to equanimity, though ‘’sisu’’ entails an element of grim stress management. Sisu is a term which dates back hundreds of years and is described as being integral to understanding Finnish culture. It is a term for going beyond one's mental or physical capacity, and is a central part of the country's culture and collective discourse.
I move to Finland in 2010 and I have been finding out about its history and they are KICK ASS they have a word sisu there is no single word that you can use to translate this but this will give you an idea what it means " Finnish concept described as stoic determination, tenacity of purpose, grit, bravery, resilience, and hardiness and is held by Finns themselves to express their national character."
It is not merely a Finnish thing, but in variations runs through all the Nordic countries. Tolkien identified it as "Northern Courage". That unyielding will to take on any challenge and NEVER give up. "One of the most potent elements in that fusion is the Northern courage: the theory of courage, which is the great contribution of early Northern literature. This is not a military judgement […] I refer rather to the central position the creed of unyielding will holds in the North." J.R.R. Tolkien
I've read that Törni was a "fair no bullshit" kind'a guy. That for example "punishments" in his units were often just fist fights with Törni. Getting into fights was regular feature of his. Also maybe related to training in Germany is the fact that during independence/civil war (~1917) bunch of finnish students went to Germany to be trained and returned to Finland to fight the reds.
There's also this story about him when he got wounded and was put on a recovery leave. When he was supposed to go back to the front lines he was nowhere to be found. The officials informed Törni's regiment that he had fled but the military staff said that Törni has been there fighting for a while already. He had fled the recovery leave to go back fighting :D
@@Businessgoose123 US military asked Lauri's Relatives and Finland army approval that can they bury Lauri in Arlington cemetary. Relatives agreed so US did not do it without approval from Finland. It was also big deal to US too aswell to Finland there is video where US Flag is given to Lauris Relative at funeral. He is only "Nazi" to been buried there..US Congress made exception because Lauri is hero for them too. Green Beret's try be like him. He has own Hangar named and trophy that Green Berets yearly try to get. Larry Thorne Thophy. There a huge amount info that this video did not capture. You should read good book about him. Movie called Green Beret where John Wayne acts said to be taken idea of Larry Thorne. This is the best book about him. I don't know is there english version of this but www.suomalainen.com/products/lauri-torni-2 Us military desided years ago that they try to get Larry back and they found him. Finnish members where there too to help US military to maybe indentify him some way if possible. Even for years Green Berets thought he will walk out of jungle to home..They were sure if Larry is alive he will find he's way back. Even they thought he can't be dead.
@@japekki666 Being a soldier in the SS doesn't make one a nazi. Hate seeing nazis mentioned when people talk about Törni. Even if it is in quotation marks. :P
@@vesa7069 I know what you are saying..i am with you.. but SS definitely means you are nazi because SS was direct elite unit forces of Hitler. There is no way around it but so Nazi is kinda right term, but that said. Lauri did not make any Oath to them. They asked twice and he declined both times so Oath part he is NOT definitely with them ever. They have found documents of it that say he has never took an Oath. Usually if you did that they killed you where you stand so they knew who he was and let him be.
In the movie Green Berets, John Wayne's character Col. Mike Kirby was based on Larry Thorne. I also heard this story that in Vietnam Larry Thorne was defending a certain base with American and South-Vietnamese troops. He supposedly has this feeling that the South Vietnamese are compromised, and that the 2 main MG towers might be turned against friendlies at some point of the fight. So he tells no one, and rigs the towers with explosives. Sure enough, the MG's swing around and start firing on the defenders. Thorne triggers the charges and takes care of it. I have no way of confirming whether this is true or not, I can't even find the source again. But I like to think he was the kind of guy it might have actually happened to.
He must have had "situational awareness" and problem solver mentality too to figure out how to solve each very bad sounding situation so well. Basically he is the definition of survivor.
When author Robin Moore went to Vietnam to get to know the operations of the Green Berets for his book, he met Captain Larry Thorne. So in his book "The Green Berets" (1965), Sven Kornie or Captain Steve Kornie, main character in the first chapter was based on Thorne and Thorne's actions there (Moore couldn't use the real names). And John Wayne's character in his movie "The Green Berets" (1968) was based on Sven Kornie in the Moore's book. Some incidents in the movie (and in the book, witnessed by Robin Moore) are exactly the same that happened to Larry Thorne when he was commanding his base there. Including blasting those machine guns.
we got many many guys like him in our history that havent just gotten the fame of Häyhä and Törni, Aarne"The horror of Morocco"Juutilainen comes to mind, wanted to become an officer in Finnish military but his bad behavior and drinking made him screw his training up so he decided to join the French Foreign Legion for 5 years and came back to Finnish defence forces once more to try to get a career as officer but his drinking and bad behavior was too much again, then finally in 1939(the year USSR invades) he got an order for "military refresher exercise" and was put on the Russian border without no one knowing the purpose of the order really was to mobilize the whole military to defend against Soviet invasion. He was awesome leader and soldier during the war and he is remembered to wield a pistol in both of his hands while charging towards the enemy. His finger was damaged once and doctor wanted to amputate it but Juutilainen refused and said it would affect his ability to wield a pistol and he managed to keep his finger. Once a leader from other squad informed Juutilainen that they didnt have enough guns, Juutilainen said "wait a second", gathered his troops and attacked a Soviet squad and took their guns, then Juutilainen informed the squad leader "okay we got some guns for you". One of the most famous stories of him was during an interview with a guy doing a story to the Finnish radio about the war situation, he asked Juutilainen "how are you doing and what is the situation here" and Juutilainen replied "Its good, me and the boys are wondering when is the military refresher exercise ending so we can start fighting"
Törni gets sentenced to prison, and after several failed escape attempts, the president's like: "All right, all right! I'll pardon you!" Seriously though, I really enjoyed this video. As a Finn, I've of course heard and read about Törni, and I've seen that same video about him before, but this time it was cool to hear professional's thoughts on the side. Thanks for this, and take care!
"All right, all right! I'll pardon you!" Was it not more of, we like what you did, but USSR did demand that we send peopel like you to jail in the peace treatey. Now you have ben jaild the "minimum" amount of time we can get away with widout break the peace treaty, so you are pardoned.
@@CombatArmsChannel It's also not that black and white. He actually asked if his detachment can continue fighting in Lapland against the Germans but it was denied and the war was over for Detachment Törni. After that he joined the resistance in case Soviet Union decides to occupy Finland and went to get more training in Germany. There's always certain people who say he betrayed his country, when infact that's not what it was about at all. Technically he did commit treason, but the whole point of going to Germany was in favour of Finland. Obviously the Reds didn't want to understand that after the war.
No wonder people write songs about him, coz he lived a really interesting life. He started out as a reserve, soon promoted, well deserved, and the legend has begun
It is interesting how Detachment Törni went through three separate phases during the war. At first it was, as the video mentioned, doing long range reconnaissance, sabotage, raids and general unconventional warfare in small groups. Later on as the strategic situation changed the unit was used to defend against Soviet infiltration units like special operation units and partisans. Later on in the war as the strategic situation changed further his entire unit fought together as a company, they were an operational reserve who did company-sized counter-assaults whenever the Soviets attempted to roll the Finnish flank (the Finns were doing an operational fighting retreat and the Soviets were desperately trying to roll their flanks to make it in to a rout). Time and time again his company sized unit by their tactical skill counter-assaulted and stopped the Soviet flanking attempt on an operational level, thereby saving an entire front purely by their actions on a tactical level. I think that this shows how you should use special operation units. It is the quality of the men and their high level of soldiering that make the unit, not the objectives per say. Therefore, a special operation units objectives should be moulded according to the strategic/operational need, rather than the other way around. Another example is how the SAS was at times in WWII very effectively used as bridge-head assault units.
There were many Finnish WW2 veterans in US Army,during the Cold War.Lauri Törni is of course the most famous one.They were called "Marttinens Men" after their leader Colonel Alpo Marttinen.Most of them fought in both Korea and Vietnam.There was also many Finnish long range patrol veterans in CIA,during the Cold War.In 1948-1955 they went into the area,that the Soviet Union took from Finland in WW2.Great reaction mate,as always!🖒
You make quality content, and your reaction videos are enjoyable to watch, especially when you compare your own knowledge of military stuff to the videos you're watching to.
Shout, Lauri Törni's name A soldier of three armies knows the game Keeps their echo from the past Rise from beyond your grave Son of Finland and the Green Beret May you rest in peace at last Lauri Allan Törni
My grandmother's uncle was in detachment törni and got shot 7 times in the stomach. In the end he survived after being evacuated and treated by the only doctor who agreed to take his chances to save him. I heard that after the war, he collapsed after merely drinking a carbonated drink, since his patched-up body couldn't handle it. I'm not sure of the details, but this is just something I heard from my family.
I kinda wish he would've lived a long life because he earned it, but i'm quite sure the peaceful life would've not suited him very well. Glad that he is now in peace on the other side :)
What i have read about him and it's a lot..i don't think he where good be as civilian..he did not cope it very well..i think he need it to be in war or in military in someway.
@@japekki666 Törni like many finns who later earned the mannerheim cross had issues with drinking, one such example was Aarne Juutilainen aka. the terror of Marocco (due to his 5 year service in the french foreign legion) who got kicked from the cadet school due to issues with heavy drinking and later on was promoted to captain when the war broke out, as an interesting fact Aarne was the commander of the battalion that Simo Häyhä served in.
Infantry Regiment 61(JR 61)was one of our finest and honoured outfit in Continuation War.Most of those men`s mother language was swedish. Back then Finland was a bi-langual country,it still is.
Thank you for delving into the heroics of Finnish war veterans. It’s enjoyable watching you react to interesting points of our war legends. You appear humble, intelligent, and inquisitive, which is refreshing these days. Kiitos.🇫🇮
That's true in both positive and negative light. Former president of Finland Mauno Koivisto who had fought in his detachment did question once in a interview whether they were lead at all.
As I have said before and will continue to say, it was Finnish heroes like him that saved Finland from certain annexation, I will forever owe my life to them, their actions of heroism made all the difference in my life as it allowed me to be born into a FREE country, PERKELE! He was also from the same (then)Finnish city, Viipuri that my mothers family is from, much respect!
He's very well known in Finland, and well respected... he reminds me also of many professional soldiers who were common in Europe during the 17th and 18th century, moving along looking for new challenges. At some points, though, I do have questions about people who so easily want to switch armies / allegiances...
Your calm and professional approach along with a very solid state of mind is a refreshing difference between real soldiers and so called action heroes. Thank you Sir!
The right word is "tried" to serve. The Finns didn't let him, or other British volunteers to really participate. The Finns gave them some snow camo clothes and put them on a guarding post way away from any battle. But still, hats off to him for trying to help.
Finns just asked Saruman to cast some protective guarding spells against the Mordor. For example, we haven't seen -40 celcius after that... Plus by the way, Tolkien used Finnish Kalevala mythology and language as a base for the elven language and the book series. And quess when he wrote those books? Yes, at that time. Coincidence? I don't think so!
Our NCO school had the Sissi section called Törni. The mortars were named after a artillery general and regular infantry was also named by some general.
Lauri wasn't all that aggressive when sober and off-duty but when he got drunk... He became so mean that it was an unofficial rule that Törni should never be offered any kind of alcohol. Törni wasn't just good with guns and leadership, he was also an exceptionally good boxer having trained with his Finnish Olympic champion boxer friend when young at Vyborg. The reason Lauri never became a pro-athlete was that he suffered a ligament injury that prevented him from training hard enough to be a pro-athlete which made him to take the next "most heroic" career (in his mind) -that of a professional soldier.
Hey brother! Great stuff. How’s things going? Fought in 3 army’s, that’s pretty awesome. Keep the content coming brother. I’m aiming to be as good at this as you man! 👍🏻 🇬🇧🗡
The video has a bit of a flaw to it. During Continuation War Finland indeed did go further than the pre-Winter War borders were. They proceeded up to Lake Onega, conquered the city of Petroskoi and renamed it Äänislinna. This was driven by the ideology of ”Greater Finland”, as these Soviet areas were ethnically Finnish.
yep, going over the borders you want to have is needed if you want to win a war tho, cant just say "hey we got these areas that we have conquered now so lets stop fighting and continue our life like this"
D to B ratio finland would have probably kept their old land if they would have stopped since then they would have had the support of the US and the birtish, but since the start went so well they decided to continue forward and one of the big reasons for this was that the finnish president at the time was a supporter of greater finland. but after the Finnish continued more into the soviet territory finland lost the support of Britain and the US. the british actually declared war against finland briefly because of this. and when then soviets started to push again in 1944 Finland had to surrender more territory again.
@@Leksuttaja149 Britain and Friends didn't want Finland do have Karelia nor Ingria though. During the Russian civil war, the Entente countries sent troops to East Karelia to support Russian white troops. They stopped the national uprising of Karelians and employed former Finnish reds to fight them. That resulted in mass killing and deportation of East Karelians and other Baltic Finnic groups to quell irrendentism. Point being, after going to such lenghts to stop those areas becoming independent or a part of Finland, why would they help?
Not sure if it's correct to say that the areas were ethnically finnish, as Karelia has a pretty distinct culture of it's own. And if we want to get technical, Finland proper is the county of Turku/Åbo.
@@lavrentivs9891 you are wrong, Karelia was ethnically Finnish (Karelians), they developed a slightly different kind of culture compared to rest of Finns because they were conquered by Russians and was forced the Russian religion and we were conquered by Sweds and forced the Swedish religion. Karelia is the place where Finnish culture and mythology is thought have born at (Kalevala), thats why we have such a connection to that area
The Finns fashioned their military after the Germans and even had their own Waffen SS but it should be noted that Finland was a democratic country and only "allied" themselves to Germany to regain their lost territory from the "Winter War". It should also be noted that they were not fascists in any way shape or form any more than the US was communist from being allied to the Soviet Union.
Thank you for the video. Yes Törni is very well known here in Finland. I always feel sad that he didn't meet his end in combat like I think a hero like him would have deserved or have him just retired from the militarty but he lost his life in a helicopter crash.
There is some things that they have left out of this short animation. One thing was that he was a big factor in early days of the Green Berets (10th Special Forces). His US memorial is the Larry Thorne Headquarters Building, 10th SFG, Fort Carson, Colorado. 10th Group honors him yearly by presenting the Larry Thorne Award to the best Operational Detachment-Alpha in the command. The Special Forces Association Chapter 33 in Cleveland, Tennessee is named after him. That Iran mountain mission was previously unsuccessful 2 times by different detachments, until he went there with the team.
And in 2010 he was named as the first Honorary Member of the United States Army Special Forces Regiment and in 2011 he was inducted into the United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) Commando Hall of Honor.
Asked grandfather Sulo Kuirinlahti (member of Detachment Törni during 1942-1944) once, can you tell anything from the vinterwar, what do you want to know he said I do not know what you have experienced so it is difficult for me to ask anything specific. He started by saying, you can't understand in your wildest imagination how horrible it is in war if you haven't participated in it yourself. Then he told me that during the winter war at Tolvajärvi (Finland's first victory over the Russians during the vinter war) that they were waiting on the beach for a strike, the Russian came over the frozen lake in green uniforms! Grandpa said that they were easy to kill, but they were so many and then hes lips trembled, he was 84 years at the time! Talk about bad memories, he died at the age of 86. This happend long before Detachment Törni were formed. That i told about few weeks ago. I have grandfather's old front cards, so I know this is true.
There is small mistake in the video: Finns did advance beyond their old borders, going as far as Lake Onega. This was done mainly to secure the north-eastern flank and there were even plans to go as far as the White sea. Some Finns also wanted to annex Karelian/Finnish speaking parts of Russia to Finland.
Also some extra trivia: Törni was a corporal(or lower sergeant directly translated from alikersantti) when the war began. He had finished his mandatory service a day before being called back to service. 3 000 000 mk today is over 778 000 euro. Finnish president from 1982-1994 Mauno Koivisto served in Detachment Törni. Before moving to Germany the second time in 1944 Törni had actually first asked if he could rejoin the military to fight Germans who were still hanging about in Lapland. Because of his previous relations with the SS, he was denied.
Nobody sane wants to see their own towns and villages burn. The Finns saw enough of that during the Winter War. Thus it's sensible to try to maintain the line just beyond the border, on the attacker's side, if you aren't capable of actually defeating the attacker. If they attack, they are surely also ready to accept any destruction. You often see people mumbling about the old border stuff, but let's not forget the British and the Americans, plus their allies, marched all the way to Berlin. Quite a bit beyond their own borders, I'd say. That's just how war is. Thus if you see someone trying to blame Finland for it, you know that person knows zilch about anything related to war. They probably don't even know which end of a rifle is pointed at the target.
My great uncle served in Detachment Törni. Unfortunately I don't know nearly as much about his time there as I should, since he died before I was born.
@ Combat Arms Channel I think it would be cool if you can find something on Japanese special forces or their Defense Force in general. Also, perhaps talk about what you do/did in the USMC and the US Army? Great content bro keep it up!
A democratic nation is under attack! US: "Oh no!" But it's ok, it's a minor nation. US: "Oh, well... sympathies." But it's fighting our allies! US: "Oh no!" But it's ok, they're allied with the axis. US: "Oh, wut? Well, supply our allies and sympathies to Finland?" But they're fighting the Soviets! US: "Oh, FUCK YEA! GO FINLAND!" Stalin: "Yo, wtf mate?"
@@iliilil5761 They were neutral during the Winter war (1939-1941), allied with Nazi-germany during the Continuation War (1941-1944) and then as part of the peace treaty with the Soviet union at war with Nazi-germany, driving them back to occupied Norway during the Lapland war (1944-45), during which time the germans burned much of northern Finland during their retreat.
Hi! I just founded last week that Lauri has family grave in Helsinki and he's father wanted lauri's name on the gravestone too..it has marking missing because he's father waited that Lauri is coming back home..it has never said where the grave is ..there has been pictures about it but no real exact info where it is..but i manage to found it. It is very close to our own relative grave so is now easy to me to remember.
For a nice strategic level look at Winter War and all the crazy shit that was going on during that conflict you should check the video Winter War - Battle of the Frozen Lakes by World War II - Epic Battles channel. I can confirm it is pretty well historically accurate video so no need for extra fact checking either.
Spike Lee is now directing vietnam war movie called 'Da 5 Bloods(2020) and guess what?! According to IMDB Larry Thorne is played in this movie by Finnish actor called Jasper Pääkkönen. Cant wait! btw love your vids keep em coming greetings from Finland 🇫🇮
Lauri Allan Törni and he's family was living in my Grand father&hes familys neighbour in Karjala,before damn soviets "Ryssät"how most Finns in there called them,started the Winter War in 1939..My Grand father was about 2 yrs younger than Törni but he remember that Lauri what some of hes mates called mostly "Lasse" that he got alot energy and he was skilled in Cross-country Skiing and he's group of friends often fight vs other boys whos parents support Soviets r was from there etc..So yeah he's hate with Soviets started in a very early age n lasted he's whole life.they played alot war with wood guns etc and "Lasse" was alrdy some kind of leader with he's group of mate's..I have read many books of Törni and most of he's leading Officers from Finnish Army and even from US Army told later that Törni was the Best soldier,what they have ever seen!He's long time leading Officer Matti Aarnio,if i remember he's name right,told that Törni was always super chill&calm,no matter how intensive and deadly fighting was on and that was one of he's kinda unique part of personality what made him one of the Best soldiers ever..Sry for my English cos it's not my native language ✌ Lauri Allan Törni's Legend will never ever gonna be forget!🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮
Lauri Törni wasn't actually a lance corporal when he led the Swedish company, but an officer student (upseerioppilas). He was promoted to second lieutenant (vänrikki) after the Winter War.
me as a call of duty player will never understand the feeling peoples had to go trough peoples get ptsd in wars nothing somthing a player will ever get and hope nener gonna happen me i feel for peoples that gone trough war and respect them for fight and keep country safe
I didn't even know that he literally did black ops missions in Vietnam. Those were guys who weren't officially even fighting for the USA. Probably got hand picked from the Green Berets.
