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USA and UK brass, what's the real difference? Annealing video follow up. 

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Here in this hastily-recorded and -edited video (all recorded mid-morning today, 10th Feb 2022) Bruce kindly hardness-tests a viewer's home-annealed brass, then answers a few questions and explains just why that 30-06 case melted in our earlier annealing video...

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@Thekmalone82
@Thekmalone82 2 года назад
Thanks for the video guys! brass like this containing copper is work hardened, the hardness from the virgin brass will be work hardened from the manufacturing process. im no expert on the physics of the cartridge but maybe if you bring the softness down too low it may cause the brass to flow forward more upon firing, it may be worth testing the length increase of each softness of the cartridges after firing. annealing time could be due to copper content.
@JayHutchG
@JayHutchG Год назад
Great follow up vid Russ. Helps clarify a lot.
@RussDouglas222
@RussDouglas222 Год назад
Thanks very much Jay, please feel free to share this (and the original) with your fellow reloaders. All the best, cheers. Russ
@MrCravin8388
@MrCravin8388 2 года назад
Excellent video once again. I thought I was on the right track, I'd be curious to see the European brass next to the American. You might be able to see a color difference if the copper content is much higher. Lighter yellow in US brass and possibly a richer gold tone for Euro brass. I have some Norma and GG&G I'll check against some Hornady when I get home.
@RussDouglas222
@RussDouglas222 2 года назад
Thanks Paul, glad you got some useful information from it. 👏 Do share comment your findings pls. Feel free to share this follow-up video too, as it's not (yet) had nearly so many views as the main annealing machine video. 👍 All the best, cheers. Russ
@highland-oldgit
@highland-oldgit 2 года назад
Thanks Russ. Loved these annealing videos. I have a question that would benefit everyone who does not have a gauge. Can you ask Gordon if he was using the 'starting to glow' method then how many seconds this would be. I just want to establish if this method is still viable for those without gauges and/or using a gas burner.
@RussDouglas222
@RussDouglas222 2 года назад
Thanks for watching OG, 👍 yep I'll ask Duncan and get back to you ASAP. Cheers. Russ
@AB-oj1kj
@AB-oj1kj 2 года назад
What is the model of the Webster tester?
@RussDouglas222
@RussDouglas222 2 года назад
Hi there, I've passed your question on to Bruce. Cheers. Russ
@RussDouglas222
@RussDouglas222 2 года назад
From Bruce: "Model W-20B" Cheers. Russ
@srspammenot
@srspammenot 2 года назад
If you don’t cool it ,You are hardening it.
@dinoc.5537
@dinoc.5537 2 года назад
Sorry, no. Brass is like Bruce above is saying. 70-30 cartridge brass is all alpha phase and rapid cooling has no effect like it would in steel. The thin wall of a cartridge neck will anneal at temperatures near the Draper Point very quickly. From those temperatures, it doesn't matter at all how long it takes to cool off, the neck will not harden from the ramp down rate.
@srspammenot
@srspammenot 2 года назад
​@@dinoc.5537 This from google Do you need to quench after annealing? If you want maximum softness then you quench immediately upon annealing. You never should see a red glow from your metal when annealing (in contemporary lighting). Any air cooling beyond actually hardens your metal (anything containing copper, Brass is copper with a smidge of tin… My experience with metalwork says you all are wrong and so will a hardness tester lol
@RussDouglas222
@RussDouglas222 2 года назад
@@srspammenot Sorry but you're watching Bruce use a pre-calibrated hardness tester, so with your own eyes you are seeing the actual hardness results. Thanks for watching, cheers. Russ
@srspammenot
@srspammenot 2 года назад
@@RussDouglas222 maybe you quench some and learn what I know from hammering brass with a hammer And learned in 1966
@srspammenot
@srspammenot 2 года назад
Rapidly cooling in water is what softens brass. Get it in water before it cools slowly AND HARDENS.
@brucemcpherson8832
@brucemcpherson8832 2 года назад
Brass is a single phase alloy - how you cool it makes no difference. I have annealed brass and air cooled it, and annealed brass of the same size and for the same length of time and dropped it directly into cold water while still hot and there is no difference in the hardness with either cooling method. Where are you getting your information from?
@srspammenot
@srspammenot 2 года назад
@@brucemcpherson8832 Do you need to quench after annealing? If you want maximum softness then you quench immediately upon annealing. You never should see a red glow from your metal when annealing (in contemporary lighting). Any air cooling beyond actually hardens your metal (anything containing copper, all copper Do the reading.
@brucemcpherson8832
@brucemcpherson8832 2 года назад
@@srspammenot check out this video of cartridge cases being induction annealed on an industrial scale (62 cases per minute) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VGxDroqY73k.html&ab_channel=BIMEXINDIA Note that these cases are air being purely cooled - no water cooling to be seen
@highland-oldgit
@highland-oldgit 2 года назад
I think Bruce's hardness testing proves that this is incorrect.
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