Useful Economy Balances in AoE2

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In this video I go through some of the most useful economy balances and how many villagers are needed on what resources for the most common unit productions in Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition. By the end of this video, you'll know how to balance your economy for any unit composition by using my sustainability app.
My app: aoe2-de-tools.herokuapp.com/
Table of Content
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00:00 Intro
03:33 Differentiating Resource Expenses
06:34 Example: Scout Rush
11:25 Eco Balance App
11:47 Notable Balance Examples
16:31 Outro
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@original1up Год назад

This is probably the most important video for anyone who wants to learn aoe2. Thank you very much for your effort

@richardthorn Год назад

Thanks for the video Surv. A good rule of thumb for anyone who struggles to remember the numbers is to round the cost of a unit down to nearest 10 then divide by 10 e.g. 45 gold for an archer --> 40 --> 4 vills on gold for one range constant production. It depends on upgrades and efficiency but is close enough to work at lower levels.

@jokoska Год назад

Yes, it's surprising how close this trick is to the exact value considering variations in production time and gather rates. Great tip for beginners to reduce memorization. It tends to break down for unique units and siege though.

@momoscurry3398 11 месяцев назад

You have nooo idea how mind blowing this technique is! Holy crap so much more helpful when ur in a pinch!! Thank you! ❤

@RyanProsser0 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for this comment Helps a lot as a guide

@edmis90 6 месяцев назад

Is incredibly accurate for Archers and Knights, but isn't even close for Mangonels. Can anyone figure out why that's the case? Math is hard. Would help to know the criteria by which to determine whether richard's method is working or not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@isaaconyeleonu1802 Год назад

Survivalist and Hera are the best sources of educative aoe2 content.

@YiffyStiffyMeow Год назад

i'll be joining the fray soon, making an app that will generate builds to follow ig as you play

@ngastakvakis4425 Год назад

Spirit of the Law is king.

@Mattroid99 9 месяцев назад

@@ngastakvakis4425His content isn't really educative, is more informative than anything but as far as making you learn the game it does almost nothing. Still these are my top 3 AoE2 channels, with T90 and Viper being the best entertaining channels

@DarwinDavidGarciaMaya Год назад

Video edition and content is top notch! outstanding work and thanks for sharing your knowledge

@Malabares-ig9fm Год назад

Amigo, sos un campeón, lo que le aportas a la comunidad es muchísimo! Muchas gracias desde Argentina

@alexm.2115 10 месяцев назад

This is hands down the most helpfull aoe2 video I have ever seen! For a low elo player like me who struggels with balancing my economy this video and your app are a real game changer. Thank you very much, Survivalist!

@justxavier9999 Год назад

Keep it coming Surv! This is awesome

@Mr.5N Год назад

Great info and great editing, as usual

@Megabomberman87 Год назад

Excellent as always Mr. Survivalist. I am after starting back at the game recently (Campaign player from 20 years ago). Basically as a total beginner the exact specifics of e.g. 5 on wood, 7 on gold etc. aren't quite relevant for me yet as my gameplay is still ragged, but simply having the mind set of consciously balancing/eco allocation is a massive step at my level. Best tenet of your coaching so far - spend the wood. Thanks again

@JuvianTV Год назад

May be the best AOE2 instructor on the net

@gruntgg 11 месяцев назад

Great video Surv! The app you made is really really helpful, thank you very much for making it!

@haaansolo8568 Год назад

Wow. Another fantastic one surv!!! ❤

@tomq9644 Год назад

Great app. AoE2 theory is the best. I'd love to see some content showing which build orders naturally support different transitions in castle age and beyond given the modular approach you so nicely show here. Eg. the cost of shifting to, say, pikes if you were originally massing skirms etc. Or a late shift to HC if you were originally aiming massing bows.

@SurvivalistAoE Год назад

It all depends on when that transition happens though. If you have a bigger economy, it's easier to transition to other units. If you went for early upgrades on skirmishers for example, that will make cav archer transition later much easier. Same for man at arms. If you did maa opening, then longswords is much cheaper. This might be the video you're looking for though: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ja34VoQi_Jo.html

@marceloledesma8027 Год назад

Congrqtulations for this video! Or as we say here in Argentina: "Mucho nene!!!! Vos sos crack!!!"

@hansmans2895 Год назад

thanks for the indepth explanation!

@astian4567 Год назад

Thank you for so much información put together. ❤

@d.f.7397 11 месяцев назад

This app is so good! Many thanks!

@engineering_guy 5 месяцев назад

This video needs to be included in the learning campaign..soo informative!! Thank you so much!! I recently saw your hotkey video and I have a "SURVIVALIST" hotkey profile which I'm learning to use. It's new for me but I can already see how much better it is. You make the most practical and useful aoe content on youtube. Not even close.

@SurvivalistAoE 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for being here and thanks for the comment!

@jurbin2293 Год назад

Awesome video man.

@jkaryskycoo Год назад

As a software person, this app is amazing, Survivalist. Great job on that.

@Prometheus7272 8 месяцев назад

Excellent channel 🎉🎉🎉

@shotelcalifornia Год назад

I'm trying to get to 1600 using only Byzantines. Slowly realizing I need to improve my macro by a lot. Thanks for the video and the app!

@ApathyIncarnate Год назад

Thanks for all your awesome explanations and app.. anytime someone pauses I just assume they’re checking your app for eco balance, which makes my gaming experience very inefficient 🤪

@ngastakvakis4425 Год назад

Beautifully prepared.

@jonathanramirez7629 11 месяцев назад

This video is a masterpiece. Thanks man.

@jeremias84 Год назад

Excellent video.

@HyunAOP Год назад

Thank you Survivalist

@kenc00l Год назад

Love this, would check the website next time I play.

@tarekselim1588 Год назад

Thanks for the amazing aoe 2 content u r the best

@WackyConundrum Год назад

So bang, so good!

@blainewalton1210 9 месяцев назад

Great video

@SirQuantization 6 месяцев назад

Sick intro!

@ToanBui-vl7lw Год назад

I swear I only play aoe4 but I watch your video for knowledge.

@setaverse Год назад

Underrated channel

@ArchsageCanas Год назад

As a mid-range player who just 'wings it' after 6 vils on sheep and 4 on wood, this is very helpful! At the end of the day, it's just math to hit benchmarks.

@ZEZLOTGAMING 5 месяцев назад

Doing the same tactic :P That winging has got me to 1750 in 6 months tho :D

@mellevala 7 месяцев назад

Thanks bro

@Felix_EN Год назад

In team games you want the blacksmith for scout armor much much earlier, around 10-11 farmers

@SurvivalistAoE Год назад

I don't know much about team games, but I guess it's because you're not actually committing to fights and just want to take less damage from stray arrows? Blacksmith + Armor is 300 res which could be ~5 more scouts.

@arp4795 Год назад

never comment but thanks for this content

@battleforevermore Год назад

I am surprised that four lakes builds dont say 5 on deer/boar and 7 on wood for faster and easier f ships. I normally skip sheeps, and once i control 2-3 ponds, I dont need farms.

@CragHack Год назад

That's a good idea for any map. Going to hunt as soon as you can, using up only 2 sheep, preferably 1. That way 5 on food truly is enough for vill production, albeit requiring a bit of force dropping.

@SurvivalistAoE Год назад

@@CragHack This might become a standard play if premill drush comes back in style. People just load up their food economy these days to get up on 17-18 villagers so they don't even send to wood as soon as they reach villager creation sufficiency on food like "normal" openings.

@CragHack Год назад

@@SurvivalistAoE Yep, recently I do 2 on wood and I don't even have to do it right away after 6 on food to have wood on time to make the 2nd building (Mill/Camp) and go up on 18/19 pop. So in reality rushing on wood after only 5 on food (boar) is not necessary or beneficial for most builds, exceptions perhaps being the pre-mill drush and hybrid maps.

@justincronkright5025 Год назад

Only thing I've found missing on the app, might have mentioned it elsewhere... is the Magyar Scouts costing 68 food. Now the maths can be done fairly easily I think. But still someone might end up making 2 or 3 too many farms in feudal when they didn't need to (e.g. could go for gold and have a smoother up time or get bloodlines earlier and so on).

@Hjoerleif Год назад

It's not missing. If you select scouts and scroll down to the numbers there will be a dropdown menu beneath the unit portrait and above the production building incrementer. It's labelled "Civilization" and has "Generic" selected as default. If you click that dropdown menu, you will have the options 'Berbers - Castle Age', 'Berbers - Imperial Age', and 'Magyars Civ Bonus'. If you select Magyars Civ Bonus, the app will update the numbers for a 68 food cost of scouts instead of 80 food cost.

@justincronkright5025 Год назад

@@Hjoerleif Ah okay, thanks thanks. I was looking at the above scout portrait, thinking that it was the 'more general panel/icon' - and basically that it would be where any extra options would be... there or the 'boxes to the right which determine the unit production speed bonuses I suspect'. My scroll-down also goes to RIGHT above the civilisation drop-down menu too, so missed it when I first checked last night.

@toplanetxt158 Год назад

awesome video and awesome app, playing with the app i encounter that to create a teutonic knight it says i need 21 farms (85 food) and for a persian elephant i need 21 farms (170 food), is this expected behaviour because the app assumes you are in castle age?

@Hjoerleif Год назад

The Teutonic Knight has a creation time of 12 seconds. That's 5 Teutonic Knights per minute, 5*85=425 The War Elephant has a creation time of 25 seconds. That's 2.4 War Elephants per minute, 2.4*170=408 So due to the different creation times these units have roughly the same food requirements per minute with sustained production, with only about

@toplanetxt158 Год назад

@@Hjoerleif oh yeah i totally forgot about the creation timers thanks it makes sense now

@thenosa87 10 месяцев назад

I like mongols. When is the optimal time I should be mining stone so I can get started with mangudais?

@SurvivalistAoE 10 месяцев назад

Depends a lot on the matchup, but if you want to play mangudai as your opening in imperial age, you should probably start mining it with one of your TCS that you place upon reaching castle age.

@thenosa87 10 месяцев назад

@@SurvivalistAoE I’ve noticed I tend to run out of wood and gold by the time I’m early Imp because of the mangudais, and can’t mass mangudais and tebuchets at the same time

@SurvivalistAoE 10 месяцев назад

Transitioning to Mangudai is pretty difficult. It's hard to give good advice without seeing an actual replay. Just know that if you make knights in the mid game, late game there won't be as much gold to mine.@@thenosa87

@thenosa87 10 месяцев назад

@@SurvivalistAoE thank you!

@melodicmarc7368 Год назад

in the intro you say up on 24 villagers instead of 24 pop. I'm a low elo legend but it might confuse some noobs

@Hjoerleif Год назад

Since you get 3 militia it will be 28 pop then, provided the scout still lives

@SurvivalistAoE Год назад

Using villager count should be the standard, but in the past we didn't have it shown on the UI so many old pros are still stuck with using the population count for everything. It gets a bit tricky when it's more than just the scout cav involved though...

@melodicmarc7368 Год назад

@@SurvivalistAoE I'm an idiot and thought you went up at 24 pop, but you did go up on 24 villagers. Disregard and I appreciate your videos and coaching.