USELESS: Electric buses CAN'T COPE with the COLD | MGUY Australia 

You know, if they want that badly to run on electricity, for public transportation that goes on fixed routes, there is already a solution: they could always just put up wires and go with trolleybuses. They work in any weather, they actually use less electricity by not having to charge and haul a huge battery, they have no fire hazard, AND don't pollute the world with making those batteries.

Norway would be stuffed without all that revenue from North Sea oil and gas. The hypocrisy is incredible.

You haven't even mentioned the environmental damage that is done mining lithium and cobalt. Millions of litres of water to mine 1 ton of lithium and lithium is mined in driest parts of the world. Then shipped (diesel) to China to be processed using coal (70% of worlds lithium process in China), then shipped again to battery cell manufacturers then shipped again to car battery manufactures. Then only 5% of lithium batteries are recycled. EV batteries are far worse for the environment than burning petrol or diesel in your car. The rest is the same, burning coal to melt mined graphite and silicone for glass, blast furnaces for iron ore to make steel, coal powered factories to stamp out car panels, billions of tyres burnt every year etc etc etc we live in a clown world. Logic and facts went out the window around the time we were locked in hour homes and told not to ask questions.

In the Netherlands the Minister of Energy and Climate was celebrating, because the usage of gas power for heating was reduced drastically in 2022. The only reason was that the gas prices were putting people in debt if they heated their house. There were people who didn't use the heater at all, resulting in 10-12 °C in their home.

There was a small news article yesterday about how letting your gas engine vehicle warm up in the winter for more than a minute before driving will do damage to the engine. They then went on about how great EVs were in a similar situation. I just laughed at the whole thing.

battery powered busses in Quebec 🇨🇦. I purchased used A123 battery packs from these busses, after they reached their expected cycle life. And I’m still using these 26650 cells five years after this purchase. They work just fine in the cold…just remember that they need to be above freezing temperature before attempting to recharge them.

Car batteries in cold weather have long been known to have less cranking power. Why would electric buses be any different? Instructions for my small electronic devices ask that you keep them warm in cold weather or lose battery time.

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The electric busses should just tow a diesel generator around to keep them charged

It sounds like they failed to consider or rigorously test the effects of cold weather on these vehicles while in the development stages. That is unheard of and unthinkable. I just don’t get it. How do the engineers working on such a project willfully overlook such a thing?

They have been told, but they know better

The cold will suck the life out of a battery :P

My mind boggles as reports from Canada and USA say that EV buses are useless in the cold and yet Norway goes ahead and buys them. These people are mentally insane and their actions prove it.

I'm a fleet mechanic at a small school bus company in Canada. A electric school bus salesman came in trying to convince us to buy some. We asked how they provide heat in the winter which here can sometimes be -30C. He said they use a diesel webasto heater. We all laughed.

There's actually a pretty simple solution. Don't use batteries. When I was a kid, we had electric trolly busses in many Canadian cities. The power ran through overhead lines. We use electric trains, with the power supplied through the rails.

Bus technology peaked back in the 40's with the trolley bus. They run on mains power, run in any conditions, have heaters and air conditioning and are simple and reliable. If you want to update the tech, add a battery as a backup so the bus can lower is pantograph and drive under its own power. No rails to maintain just overhead cables. Old tech is often the best solution.

Maybe it should be mandated that all Public Service offices have their Air-con turned off and staff vehicles be replaced with bicycles or public transport . Let's see how a dose of reality wakes them up.

They bought 320 buses without testing them first? Insane.

In the early 80's the city of Tucson decided to buy an electric bus and show everyone how forward thinking they were.I was a motorcycle officer and was told to escort the bus with another motor because of the press and all the "dignitaries" riding the bus. We left the park area after the fanfare and back patting the politicians did. Myself and the other officer were "escorting" the bus and we were going at a walking pace and asked the driver if he was going to go faster, he told us the bus top speed is 6 miles per hour. Great forward thinking, put a bus at 6 MPH on a road with a 45 MPH speed limit, that really makes sense.

Hello here from South Africa. Before Mandela we had an efficient electric railway infrastructure, that took thousands of commuters, including me, to work ever day. That was destroyed, by corruption on a massive scale. Now it is all road transport in crowded minibus taxis, spewing diesel fumes. But, hey, rather than fixing the railway infrastructure - they brought in electric busses!! Yay! One of them burst into flames right in front of me. It took hours before the fire could be put out and the highway was blocked all that time. Yay!

I am a bus driver for Brookvale, the air-conditioning on the buses has to be on all the time. It is set to 22.3 degrees. So what the Norwegians and others fail to take into account is the massive power drain from the air-conditioning and power steering as well. Plus the motors to drive the pneumatic suspension. These officials are idiots

And here was me thinking that Norway was pretty sensible re EV's. Apparently, one of their ferry companies refuses to take EV's because of the combustion problems. Obviously, their pragmatic approach isn't universal. Greetings and solidarity from Cornwall UK. ✌️ I like your channel very much - it's succinct and straight to the point.

If any significant portion of the vehicle fleet is replaced with EVs, the load on the grid will become unworkable. The solution, as always, will be to increase the cost of electricity to discourage demand. This doesn't just penalise the EV owners, but every home and business that uses electricity.

Living in Stockholm, I can tell you that it’s not fun when the bus is late even just a few minutes when it’s -15 C, let alone when it never turns up

Does anyone else find it ironic that the things that are introduced to stop us getting warmer actually need that warmth to work?

Norway's winter electric bus problem would be solved if only they would embrace Global Warming .

Norway's economy is significantly dependent on its oil and gas production, with the country being a major global supplier. The exports of oil and gas have played a crucial role in creating the modern Norwegian society, and nearly all oil and gas produced on the Norwegian shelf is exported. Norway's oil revenue amounts to 4.3 percent of its GDP, which is significantly higher than the OECD average of 0.2 percent. The country's hydrocarbon exports accounted for 60% of its total exports, 28% of its GDP, and 42% of its state revenue in 2021. Additionally, Norway is the third largest gas exporter in the world, and it can export nearly all the oil and gas it produces due to its small domestic energy market. The recent increase in oil and gas production has led to record profits, further highlighting the importance of this sector to the Norwegian economy. So on the one hand they appear to be bending over backwards to save the environment and on the other, they're milking the environment for all it's worth. Bloody hypocrite Norwegians.

in my country Denmark there was a snowstorm and all the electric buses could not move, but the Danish government has plans to remove all Electric buses from Denmark and now they will be learning the hard way

I’m a mechanic for NYCTA, the all electric buses only run in certain routes of the city that don’t require going up too many steep grades or hills. We had road calls for buses stuck going up hills because the batteries were dying out while in service.

The electric buses that have been trialed here in Ottawa Canada (similar climate to Oslo), have auxiliary diesel heaters that turn on at temperatures under 5C. Rumor is that the mechanics were not allowed to put the usual "diesel fuel only" sticker on the fuel cover flap because "it's an electric bus".

Nevertheless, the mis-informed, alarmists and authoritarians continue pushing this expensive madness towards their net zero fallacy.

Norway can afford crap like this because they have a sovereign wealth fund derived from oil and gas sales.

The really funny part with our busses in Scandinavia is that more than 90% of them has a diesel-heater for heating the inside of the bus and that has no form of system that cleans the exhausts, so they actually pollutes more in winter than an ordinary diesel-bus. Hilarious🤣🤣🤣

Here in Toronto Canada electric busses have diesel heaters for very cold winters. It’s a scam

One of the main reasons UK is pushing so called smart electricity meters is exaclty this problem. Energy providers wouldn't have to ask you to limit your usage they could just cut you of remotely.

The range of an EV bus is also greatly effected when the bus is full. So the more passengers, the less distance it can travel. So much for the song. The wheels on the bus go round and round, all day long. The wheels on an EV bus go round and round, for about half a day, then take 2 days to recharge. Good this electric stuff. Such a major step backwards.

'If you want a self driving car, get a taxi!' - brilliant! I may have snorted a bit of coffee on that one. Great vid'

So between 5pm and 9pm you can't run your air conditioner, plug in your EV, use your electric oven, run your dishwasher or laundry, or charge your cell phone. Sounds like living off grid.

it appears any one under the age of 20 has no idea of past weather patterns, also some older people seem to have very short memories

Well designed electric busses have been around for 90 years or so. They were quite common in the Boston area years ago, where I grew up. They worked great, had no batteries, ran quietly, and very cleanly, and were very efficient. And they had good heat. They ran on routes that carried overhead catenary lines to provide power. A good number of cities are still using them, I was in Seattle a few years ago and saw quite a few of them. But they are not an eye candy, revolutionary technology leap to grab headlines. They are an old school technology that still works, so no one can brag about them effectively. So they don’t get built. Oh well.

I've watched a few of your shows and I'm finding much interest in this subject. You seem to be about the only rational person talking about EVs. New sub. 🙂

The problem with setting time limits for when an electric device can be used is that EVERYONE uses them at the same time and that overloads the grid.

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We have -30.c and below quite often here. I run a petrol car and always will. EV’s would be dangerous in winter here and the reduced range in the cold makes them useless. The coldest recorded temperature was -50.c here.

Don't worry. Your electric car will get orders from the government to stop charging during those 'use less electricity' orders. You'll be trapped wherever you are so I hope you aren't trapped in your electric car. Also don't forget to not drive through anywhere it rains since if you splash through a puddle it'll void the warranty. I loved that headline about doing your washing/drying the next morning. I don't know how electric rates are there but where I'm at in the US my local electric company charges more during the day in summer than any other time of the day. Frankly I stopped using A/C a few years ago when the rates got so high here and basically moved my summer existence to my cooler basement.

Your presentations are based on pure rational logic. Or common sense. Great service you provide The problem I see is common sense has changed its meaning since I was a child. Excellent

I wonder how long it's going to take before they are using portable Diesel heaters to keep both the batteries and passengers warm !

Hahaha, bloody outstanding Simon, just priceless, thanks mate! The media is complicit in all this "heatwave" rubbish after reading time and again how "heatwave" conditions are going to strike with temps expected to hit 32c, what utter BS! It is summer here and the norm is mid to high 30s with heatwaves in excess of 40C NOT under!! Australia has always had heatwaves in the 40s for.ever. It is not unusual for heatwave conditions in one part of Oz whilst cool conditions with rain/flooding in another. Where I live the temps have been below 30C all week, but it is the humidity that is the killer on the coast. But according to the media all Australia is burning up in a "heatwave"!

I live in Quebec Canada where it can get to -20C to -40C. Good luck running an EV here.

This video sparked a memory.................. The company next to the place my wife worked at (about 20 years ago)........was creating/testing an electric bus *that took place in a desert climate - Southern CA

Question: How on earth did they not know this, its been common knowledge in Canda, and Canadians who were hood winked into buying electric vehicles, know that the range of these vehicles are halved. And it only gets worse as the batteries age.

Love your content. Here in B.C Canada, the Vancouver fire department has rolled out an electric fire truck. 😂😂😂😂 how long before that one goes up in flames.....

The worst part is to see how the media accept these limitations as the new normal

I think Oslo must be due another visit from the guy from 'The Simpsons'; they bought his electric buses, now they'll be eager to invest in an electric 🎵 "Monorail... Monorail... MONORAIL..." 🙄

Dumb: buying electric busses that cannot operate in the cold.. .. Dumber: doubling down, buying even more electric busses.. Dumbest: "They must work in the cold because we WANT them to work"..

Solution.Employ industrial sized toasters to be placed under the buses to keep the battery warm and in tip top condition.😃

I've only come across your channel very recently, and I greatly appreciate the cool, calm way you present the facts and your opinions.. You may be on the other side of the world from me, but you deserve my subscription and best wishes for the channel's future. Awrabest from Edinburgh, Scotland!

"Net zero" is the combined brain power of the knobs pushing this ev nightmare on us all.

I can remember when we used to have trolleybusses, just bring them back.

My town spent 6 million on electric busses they cant use in the winter.

I live in Perm, Russia. Here we easily can have minus 40 Celsius and ALL of city buses works on natural gas. No smoke, no smell but all the advantages of IC engine. But this year transport department started one route equipped with electric buses as an experiment. I've tested them and it's warm inside.

Funny they want you to turn of all appliances except EV's, weird.

Every time I see another story about the failure of ev's it warms my heart! ❤

At least with a warming planet the battery buses in Norway should be fine by 2050.

Vancouver Canada bought 3.. 3 are parked.

Electric vehicle were garbage from day one.

The sad thing is in my area we had perfectly working hybrid busses. They were diseal most the time but had the trolley like connectors to overhead wires to run electric in the downtown area. It let it be silent and emission free in the city limits but also not have to carry around a 2 ton battery or the like. Sadly they removed them for 100% battery busses not long ago, and they are a complete joke in terms of reliability and range.

No worries! They can sell them to Blackout Bowen! 😂😂😂

We had overhead electric trams and trolley buses back in the 1950s in the UK VERY SENSIBLE

To touch base on the grid problem, EVs can use their left over 20% or so at the end of the day to help with grid surges using vehicle to grid tech. It’s all about flattening the curve when it comes to grid power. And I say this in all videos that mention BEVs in heavy things like buses or trucks. It’s not a good idea. I don’t know why it’s being pushed so hard for large vehicles. The weight of the batteries alone in these make it daft.

Well thank heavens for global warming in Oslo or all the buses would be cancelled. Oh. That’s right. The mean global surface temperature has been falling for nine years now. They should have known better but their elective ignorance has fouled them.

In Philadelphia Pa . USA - Electric Busses Have been Running , Real Regular , for 127 Years ! They ARE called Trolley Cars ! Trackless trolley Cars have been Operating for 100 Years ! ------ [] The City of New Orleans has been Operating Their Trolly System for 127 Years !

When we where young (over 70years ago)we had electric bus systems here in Yorkshire but our very intelligent leaders got rid of them,surprise surprise they now want them back,they certainly know how to waste money🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤪

Well said. I'm 83yo. The climate has not changed from when i was a kid to the present day, from my observations. We are being conned big time and our elected representatives are behind it. How can we have faith in any of them, especially after what happened to the citizens of Victoria during the forced lockdown, with the brutality, innocent Melbournians experienced from the hired thugs of the former Governor of Victoria Australia. Bob NZ.

You'd think the politicians and machine of government would have at least organised proper evualation and field trials of the battery buses before splurging multi millions of tax payer's money on them. A classic case of hope over practical aspiration.

I grow in Limoges, France where all the bus were trolleybus so technically EVs. Great silent rides, no fire. I live in Montréal, and in winter batteries' EVs range is a huge problem on coldwave! They don't work well when it's really cold.

So wait a second, im not allowed to run my dishwasher and have to turn my thermostat down/up but nowhere does it say anything about not plugging your car in? Correct me if im wrong but i suspect an electric car charging would use more power than my dishwasher?

It’s almost like the politicians forgot local climates exist when they make climate policy 😂

I completely agree with you here in the US they want to replace at least 50% of the cars with EV’s but they have zero plans to update the power generation capability and distribution grid to support the charging of those cars……. long-term critical thinking is not one of their strong suits

This reminds me of story from Germany where they tried to introduce a fleet of electric buses, but they kept catching on fire, and they had to bring back the diesel buses.

I take it you will be attending the everything electric show in Sydney (Feb.24). Going to be interesting to see if any protest groups turn up and show their support? 😂

I agree, Australian summers usually feature days or a week of high temps. A good old fashioned series of blackouts and brown outs would be a good thing to wake people up what a mess things are.

Electric buses are not problematic as long as they are used in the right conditions. I'm an electric bus driver myself and they are good to drive in a moderate climate. I drive them on short loop services, the charging station is close by, they are not over loaded and not driven at high speeds for a long time. The enhanced acceleration is a major advantage for getting through roundabouts and merging onto the highway. One of the problems they do have is sustained wet weather when the moist air gets into the electric infrastructure. They are however twice as expensive as ICE buses in purchase and maintenance.

I have super 8 movie of in-laws from UK visiting us in Sydney in 1976....temp 110F. I was in Pilliga in December 1966 temp 118F. Love Aussie summers.

Albuquerque ordered a fleet of EV buses from China 5 years ago. The number purchased was based on the miles between charges. After a test period the buses could not meet the contract because Albuquerque is too cold in the winter and too hot in the summer. Fortunately the city returned the buses to China and got its money back.

This is why here in Canada many people are saying no to EVs, especially the further north you live. I remember watching an EV car owner in the UK going out one morning at zero degrees Celsius and watched his range drop, this convinced me that a new power source is required.

We are heading back to the good old days………. During and after the Second World War Dad acquired a push bike with a dynamo attached. Of an evening we would take turns (as the bike was placed on a stand) to get on the bike and peddle. This than gave us the light we needed to have our tea and do whatever else was on the menu. Looking anxiously forward to the good new times.😂😂😂😂😂

ALL public employees take public transportation. This will fix the safety and reliability problems quickly.

Edmonton Alberta Canada bought $60 Million worth of Electric Buses. They got a few miles and BOOM, Battery Dead. 8 Hour shift on a normal diesel transit bus, then tank is topped up for the next shift . And we had Electric Trolley Buses until 2008 !

The self driving part is so true. I love driving my car and i wouldn't accept any other way

24C is officially uncomfortable. I would point out that 5-9pm also corresponds to pretty much all the leisure time the vast majority of folks get on a regular basis.

And they are still marching to the top of the hill after Cop 28

lol. I’ll keep driving my 1986 F150 351 sucking up the hydrocarbons. Boom

Reading a lot of these comments. Why don't we just use the *TROLLYBUS SYSTEM.* Because the electic vehicles has nothing to do with the environment. It's about getting the masses out of gas power vehicles into EV's that's currently sitting on dealers lots. Electric buses can travel anywhere comparing to trollybuses can only go where the wire goes. Missing in this conversation is that there's no infrastructure support to handle those EV's Governments mandated& being produced today. I do know some EV plants in Ameica are being shutdown temporary. While EV's are piling up at dealerships. Cause no ones buying them.

You should really do a public debate with hard core EV fans like the Electric Viking, also from Australia.

Brisbane's new Electric Buses on our Bus way are coming soon I think 59 of them a huge project all fast charge incredible.

Power companies will simply use pricing to drive down the use of power .

What a joke. Norwegians have one of the highest uptake of EV's in the world with 54% of cars being EV's. Are they complaining. NO. Go to Norway and the E-buses run fine with the heat from road friction warming the battery. Electricity is cheap there. Why wouldn't they use EV's. Less than $3 a week to run your car. Temperature is a non-issue if you heat the battery.

Oh dear. Turns out it was some of the chargers were at fault. Not the buses 😂😂 All fixed, nothing to see. Awaiting your retraction or correction. Which of course your ego probably won't let you do! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

In the UK- from the Daily Telegraph: A Green Party-led council has said it can't empty overflowing dog waste bins near a beauty spot because its new fleet of electric vehicles cannot be used off-road and binmen might injure themselves if they lift the bins by hand...According to an email to residents from a council employee, the contents would also have been too heavy for bin men to carry back to the road without risking “musculo-skeletal injuries”.