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Listened to this with my eyes closed. Was waiting for you to say "now this is how it sounds not bypassed" then I opened my eyes to realize you were already going back & fourth between bypassed and not bypassed. Made me realize there was NO difference in sound. Then when I opened my eyes and watched there was a subtle difference. It's true that eyes will mislead your ears. When I saw him click bypass my mind almost changed how I heard it bc I was expecting a change. And a part of me almost wanted a change. Therefore I thought I heard a subtle change when in reality there was none. Placebo effect is real people. Listen with your ears. Do not try to listen with your eyes. They will only trick you into hearing what you WANT to hear.
To be honest I have never really got into multiband compression. I perhaps had become a bit stuck in my ways and after over 30 years in studios considered it a new fangled thing. I don't like change haha. Today when I woke up I thought I would do one thing that scared me. I decided on studying multiband compression. Starting with this video, as I own the C4 and have done for years (Despite never using it). Neat trick. I love Greg Wells anyway. I applied it to a mix I finished for a client yesterday using the outlined technique and immediately withdrew the mix and re-did it using this technique. Amazingly the difference is night and day, so I will definitely be using this technique more and studying MC a lot more. Thank you.
I've been using this technique with C6 from 2 years ago and it definitely changes the track. Here's my recipe. Just start from "PA Default" and set all the ranges to -4dB. Compress each areas by fading down the threshold until their compression is showing "quick compression", not "constant compression" (try not to compress a lot). Try to modify the Attack and Release to compression sounds like punchy (use Solo button to hear this) Set each gain to around +4.0 dB. Then you will notice subtle changes like this video.
Appreciate your honesty re the messups you had and still may have. Some people act perfect they are dangerous teachers. When I teach, I let students know the truth and most respect me for that. I'll sub and keep in touch with your work. Keep rocking.
Same as Liam Cronin, I just tried it, and I really like the result. I got the Gold Bundle of Waves, at least a year ago, but got to admit, I haven't used half of it's plugIn yet. But surely , this one is a keep. Thanks for the "hint".
Funny that all you needed was "a little bit more" ;) Interesting tip. I've stayed away from Multibands cause I've literally destroyed things with it. Lately however, I'm starting to understand where and how to use it better. Thanks!
Note to everyone - Just my opinion but the Waves Linear MB is what you want on a master track (and I'd do it after mixing a pre-master down, not in real time), however this plug is better for live... But both are great multiband compressors... highly recommend the Fabfilter one too, it's beautiful.
Hello there! So I am mixing and mastering for my study course some live concerts and I used this technique with the multiband compressor. Could you please tell me where did Greg Wells refere to this technique exactly?
This mix is a bit muddy. But I love most Of Graham's mixes. As far as Multiband compression. I tend to use more parametric EQ'S to get the right mix. If a singer has tone issues I tend to record them line by line making sure I capture the tone constantly. If I don't have the singer available I'll copy the problem vocal to a separate track and EQ it accordingly
Thanks Graham, just to be clear, you put this AFTER your mix compressor, and are just seating mid transients before hitting your output limiter? Kind regards, ✌️
Can I use it in the second to last insert and the L2 on the last? I have been doing that since the first time I saw this video. Or is it better to use it on the last insert, do a bounce, and open up a completely different session for mastering? I mix 7 days a week when I'm writing my stuff so any help would be appreciated. I can tell you that what I have been doing gets much better results than online mastering but all I need is just a little bit more lol.
I can hear the tonal difference on my Huawei P9 speakers so I don't understand why others can not. Two things I can point out is more energy in the drums especially snares/hihats and the vocal sits better in the mix. When Graham bypasses I can really hear the vocals loose the center spotlight. Try listen for it.
Everyone talking about not hearing subtle differences. Welcome to the world of music production. A thousand subtle differences that becomes the difference between a radio hit and a garage band song.
I've used the C4 on the master buss before with great results but was wondering if it's on the master buss would the Waves Linear Phase Multiband be a better option?
Agreed. Unless it's a live situation where you need the low latency (in which case I'd sooner grab a C6 over a C4), a linear phase filter would be my choice on a master bus. Plus you get the adaptive option with LinMB, which is basically magic.
I think that the difference might be less noticeable than it would be normally. RU-vid compression might blur the dynamics of the comparison, of the whole audio of this video. I tried multiband compression on stereo bus and the change in dynamics seemed bigger than here for me.
Throw that J37 tape plug in on after it, I think there’s a fat mastering setting and you should be good to go... I throw a limiter too and boost the gain
I don't understand why so many people say they don't hear any diffrence. I mean sure the diffrence isn't that big but it's quite easy to hear and it actually sounds really good. I guess it's a matter of knowing what you are listening for. For exemple I know that my brother doesn't hear the diffrence between poor and great audio quality just because he is not into music that much so that's an extreme exemple but that's kinda of the same thing I guess. At the end of the day you decide if you want the plugin or not, so if you don't hear any diffrence I would probably suggest you to not get it haha but I personally think it's great :D
it's particularly hard to hear over youtube without great monitors, but, yes it barely did anything. i can hear the difference, it is a slight smoothing, gluing effect.
I always duplicate tracks and multiband each track sounds great just touch different frequencies on each track and play with the faders so ur not peaking
Hi, Are you not mistaking the C4 for the Linear Phase Multiband? That's what Greg Wells uses on the master to make it sound more like a record. The phase being effected which is better if you're tweaking the master bus.
I'd love to try these tips but I can't get REAPER to see my Waves plug-ins, despite following the instructions from Waves' own article for getting REAPER to see Waves plug-ins.
Anyone know the ratio of the bands? I don't have the C4, but I have a multiband comp that works very much the same. The ratio is the only thing i can't find.
If you use Multiband compression in the mix before mastering..... Do we have to use it again while mastering the track ??? Or have to use only once either while mixing or mastering?
I am new to Cubase. The first thing that I noticed is that there is no Master Fader in the mixer (something absurd for me)!!! So how to create a Master fader, and how to always have it as default in the mixer?
Maybe the reason why a lot of people (including me) don't listen any difference is because the youtube audio quality is 128kbps, so don't spect to listen every single detail of mastering in that quality of sound
So my question you said to use it at the end of your chain but say you are using a limiter would it go before or after thee limiter on your master chain fader ?????
No problem, the reason is the limiter ashures you that you wont go over 0db or otherwise you would clip and if you have ANYTHİNG after the limiter the possibility of it adding even just the most little gain would bring you over 0db and the whole track would clip and sound horrible so even if somebody says last in the chain remember the limiter has to be even after that so whatever happens you are not over 0db on the master fader
It could, and it could mess the vocals up as well. It is all relative to your specific mix, and without hearing it, a direct answer is near impossible.
David Douze well I would say that the vocals should be the loudest track in the song. So if you have problems hearing the vocals, then the frequencies may be clashing. Meaning you have too much mid-end instruments playing at one time. You should try EQing before anything else. To answer your question directly, the vocals should be highlighted before you get to your mastering stage, in my opinion.
why dont you use the top end? isnt it useful to use multiband compression on the top end of your master in order to tame the harsh “airy” highs most people add in the 8-16k range
