Using NoiseAssist On Your MixPre for Clean Audio Recordings

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In this episode we show you how to use the NoiseAssist plugin on your MixPre recorder.
If you’d like to learn how to make great dialogue audio for your film and video projects, please have a look at my courses including processing dialogue audio in Adobe Audition and DaVinci Resolve/Fairlight, recording sound, how to use the Zoom F4, F6, F8, and F8n, and how to get the most from the Sound Devices MixPre series of recorders. Our latest courses cover Sound for Live Streaming with the ATEM Mini and an Intro to Izotope RX. school.learnlightandsound.com
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Index
00:00 Summary
00:10 What we’ll cover
00:42 Enabling/turning on the plugin
01:45 Differences from MixAssist
02:19 Don’t over-apply
02:39 Reduction demo: boom mic
04:18 Reduction demo: condenser mic
07:43 Quick tips for success
10:31 Applying NoiseAssist to multiple mics
12:11 Philosophy of noise reduction
12:40 Reduction demo: transient noise
13:34 Compared to 8-Series NoiseAssist
14:05 A word on price and value
15:00 Wrap-up
15:10 Please buy my courses

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@curtisjudd Год назад

Hello, friends. Some of you have noted that NoiseAssist is too expensive or too complicated. I’d encourage you to share that with Sound Devices on their NoiseAssist video. They’re much more likely to see it there. I would prefer to spend less money, too. However, I haven’t found a less expensive option with such a small latency and that is so portable. If you know of a device, please share with us. As for those noting it is too complicated, there are two settings: applied channel and level of noise reduction. If you can think of a simpler implementation, please share with Sound Devices. In my experience, they care about their users’ experience.

@Nacho.100 2 месяца назад

Ive been using this plugin in many of my recordings and.. its amazing. Its really useful and a great 300$ invest.

@curtisjudd 2 месяца назад

@@Nacho.100 Glad to hear it is working well for you!

@EricLikness Год назад

Kudos to Emma for providing the realisitic live foley-ish sound FX. Did demonstrate the point quite clearly what one can expect out of Noise Assist 👍

@curtisjudd Год назад

LOL! She had fun with that!

@lighthackerslimited 2 месяца назад

THE MOST THOROUGH INFORMATIVE TUTORIALS.. Been following for years, and every time you post a new review, it's always worth a watch.. Additionally your voice it the calmest and clearest too.

@curtisjudd Месяц назад

🙏

@JamesClark1991 Год назад

Useful video as always Curtis! Whilst I'm open to paying for software updates that improve a piece of hardware, $300 for one channel of this is ludicrous. I can't help but feel like Sound Devices are taking the mickey with some of their pricing strategies in recent times... I know it's a differen't step in the process, but so much can be done in post these days, more effectively, non-destructively and for free! I recently demo'd a plugin called "GOYO" which is AI noise reduction and it works wonders (currently free).

@curtisjudd Год назад

That’s the great thing about workflows with a post stage. Hard to beat this for live-streaming at this price. I haven’t found another option anywhere close to this price.

@The-Logician Год назад

I'm so glad you made this video. I had made that request during one of your livestreams, so nice to see fan requests being taken into consideration. Now that I've heard Noise Assist on the Mix Pre series, while $300 is still an expensive option for me, I would not hesistate to buy the plugin now, but will probably wait until a job comes around that I think I will need it to justify it. With a laptop and a phone nearby, it won't be an issue to purchase and install even on the day of.

@curtisjudd Год назад

Thanks for the request and glad to find it is quite effective.

@MaxxBraun 4 месяца назад

It is expensive and locked to a single device, not transferable, and a single instance. You already pay a premium for the hardware, then pay an additional fee to enable the software feature you already paid for that is embedded in the hardware/software.

@andrewrice9383 Месяц назад

Looks pretty neat, I can see it being useful for specific scenario like live streaming possibly certain types of live sound depending on the latency

@curtisjudd Месяц назад

Exactly. Latency is 2ms if memory serves.

@aSimpleChat Год назад

Curtis, informative and clear explanation. Nice job of keeping your composure when Emma did the screaming child, lol. You were spot on about the “1 instance only”. I spoke with SD a few days ago and they confirmed their algorithm was written based on what capabilities of the processor could handle while insuring peak performance. You know what you’re talking about!

@curtisjudd Год назад

Thanks 👍

@jazzstream 11 месяцев назад

For ages i've been searching for a doorbell chime that will effectively scare off unwelcome intruders........thanks Emma !! 😁

@curtisjudd 11 месяцев назад

LOL!

@OH8STN Год назад

Awesome review/tutorial. Thanks for sharing.

@curtisjudd Год назад

👍

@johncox5611 Год назад

Thanks Curtis. Ive been using NA in the field for 18 months or so and it has been a big help. It's interesting hearing it coming out of laptop speakers instead of through headphones. I very seldom go past -3 because it really can impact the vocal quality - but your examples seemed to hold up better than my ears will let me push it. As for complication: applying to to a single channel couldn't be simpler. Adjusting the level on a bus is hidden away and took some work to find. You didn't mention (unless I missed it) that if you do use it on a single channel - it is burned into the ISO channel, so if you overdo it - it's overdone, and that's why many mixers use it on the mix-bus so you still can go back to the ISO if you need it. Expense, sure it stings a little plop down $300 for a plug-in, but it improves my product which should in turn make me money, it's also billable and HAS made me money. Folks mention cheaper options for post, and you astutely point out, for many, there is no post, or you can't trust what might be done in post. Good capture is better than hoping someone can clean it up. I d wish I could get at least 2 instances on the MixPre, but I'm glad I have the one I do.

@curtisjudd Год назад

Thanks, John, for the insight re: baking the effect in to the ISO track. 👍

@FilmRunnerMedia Год назад

It's really great that you can demonstrate what kind of performance one can reasonably expect from the noise suppression plugin. Last week I was recording a video on a jobsite and in the middle of the take someone in the distance began operating a grinder. The noise was fairly consistent, but also very transient as well. I opted to use the noise reduction plugin that's included with Premiere Pro but now you've got me kind of curious how the Sound Devices plugin might have performed in this situation. Great video, Curtis. Very edutaining!

@curtisjudd Год назад

Thanks, yes, good question!

@jmmy7463 Год назад

Thank you so much, Curtis. You showed me it is possible to NA over -5 with close to no colouration. I am a novice in EFP with only cheap lavs and a cheap shotgun set-up, I can never go below -3 on lavs and -5 for boom on my MP6II. As you mentioned, it helps a lot when close micing, and in my personal experience, it helps a little in room-echo, not a lot though, about -1 to -2 db worth, and ground hum too, again not too much~ Best wishes~

@curtisjudd Год назад

👍

@eigenkuro7166 Год назад

I've bought it because of your videos (as well as MixPre-3 II in the first place) - honestly, best purchase I've ever made. Never wanted to use sound panels in my living room, and this plugin solved it for me flawlessly. In fact, I think your initial review was quite lukewarm in comparison - for me -6db sounded almost transparent, it's an ideal solution for removing PC/laptop fan noise in my opinion. Now, the wireless monitoring of this setup would be the last piece of puzzle.

@curtisjudd Год назад

👍

@tomsteger1 8 месяцев назад

Wow great demo.

@curtisjudd 8 месяцев назад

🙏

@videojimgermany 4 месяца назад

Great review Curtis! With the new firmware update 9.01 MixPre now gives 2 channels of noise assist!

@curtisjudd 4 месяца назад

🎉

@MarineX Год назад

This was extremely helpful. I purchased the NoiseAssist and use the Rode NTG-5 and Earthworks Icon Pro. They both need the assist as my studio is in a three car garage with zero sound treatment. I didn't know I would control the gain in channel. sometimes my wife joins me on livestreams but I purposely put her on the RE-20 and keep the noiseassist on my channel with the icon pro. Does MixAssist only "bake in" the mix settings or can I use MixAssist when livestreaming?

@curtisjudd Год назад

MixAssist ONLY applies to the mix tracks, not the isolated tracks.

@aeonlancer Год назад

Being very new to audio, I've found NoiseGates are quite effective. But in combination with some Denoiser the results can be outstanding.

@curtisjudd Год назад

👍

@petermcginty3636 Год назад

Thanks Curtis, very informative. As usual, your comments were concise and clear. However, it was an unusual surprise to hear the acting talents of Emma! 🎉🎉. From what i could gather, if i am getting pleasing results with the Expander/Gate on my dbx 286s, then I don't need this equipment and software? Or would this set-up complement the dbx 286s? Many thanks.

@curtisjudd Год назад

This works differently but if you’re happy with the results, no need to buy more stuff. 👍

@A.Alabduljader 27 дней назад

Hi Judd , thank you for the great information, i noticed that when you turn noise up the dialogue has deesser . Hope iam wrong

@curtisjudd 26 дней назад

If you turn it on too aggressively, it does impact dialogue quality. Just need to back off.

@douglasfairmeadow Год назад

Great video as always. Would it work on my MIxpre3? Can definitely hear some aliasing beyond -l6db.

@curtisjudd Год назад

It works on all of the 2nd series MixPre models.

@KeremUnterberger Год назад

Do you think you could get a Cedar-Plug-in as a test for the 8-series? I would be very interested in the difference to noise assist, as it is much more expensive.

@curtisjudd Год назад

Done! ru-vid.comhBeWvkWWO64?feature=share

@kobezhan 11 месяцев назад

Hey Curtis, you should review the Comica vm30. It's the first built in wireless shotgun mic, it doesn't need phantom power, and it has a stepless gain knob. A worthy contender to the Rode NTG 😃

@curtisjudd 11 месяцев назад

I've had bad luck with several Comica products so I'm pretty skeptical and probably won't review it.

@user-jg8cw5qp9g 11 месяцев назад

Curious as to how noise assist compares to post noise reduction in apps like Audition? If you don’t need the live processing, would you get similar results with say an f6 or f8n pro? Love your channel btw. Thanks for all the great info!

@curtisjudd 7 месяцев назад

Post noise reduction can be a bit more effective. I see this as mainly for live.

@q1s Год назад

Hello~! I have a question. Does the noise assistant work on the channel when I record only that channel with poly mode? Or should I always record LR bus track when I want to use noise assistant?

@curtisjudd Год назад

It depends on what you need. Apply it to the track if you are ok with some potential artifacting. But if you need a clean backup, record the mix and isolated channel and only apply NoiseAssist to the left mix.

@user-gd9ei3zy7i 11 месяцев назад

Hi Curtis, I was hoping to know what your thoughts on the Comica VM30 wireless shotgun microphone? What are the best uses for it and how does it compare to low to mid range shotgun mics?

@curtisjudd 11 месяцев назад

I haven’t had a good experience with several Comica products so I’d be skeptical, to be honest.

@signpagefredericeckert7068 Год назад

Great explanation (as always!). Will Noise Assist help with reverb of yourr own voice? Sometimes it's not possible to treat the room sound wise.

@curtisjudd Год назад

No, not in my experience. More for fans and HVAC.

@aSimpleChat Год назад

This is just based on my experience since installing NoiseAssist (major concern for me as well)…my living room is untreated and, because of the layout, has some serious reverb. I placed my Sennheiser MKH 50 in the center of the room and it was roughly 30cm above my head. The MKH 50 did reject/handle a lot of the reverb on its own which probably contributed to me only applying NoiseAssist @ -4dB. NoiseAssist worked amazing and was even better @ -6dB. I am sold on both that microphone in combination with NoiseAssist. Sound Devices has something figured out!

@curtisjudd Год назад

@@aSimpleChat interesting. It reduces reverb or other room noise? In my experience it didn’t help a lot with reverb.

@aSimpleChat Год назад

@@curtisjudd It noticeably reduced the reverb. I had the windows open and the birds were chirping as if arguing yet NoiseAssist allowed that to pass through as well as my dialogue. It’s really a bit wild, but the lateral rejection of the MKH 50 helped I’m sure because I did test other rooms with the windows closed and applied less NA (~-4dB) and it was still effective. However, when tried with my Rode NTG2 in the same larger untreated room, an increase to -10/-12dB was enough to calm the reverb while allowing other sounds to pass through. Untreated sheet rock walls with standard fiberglass insulation. No concrete and deep grout for the 1/2” raised/exposed tile.

@curtisjudd Год назад

@@aSimpleChat cool, glad that’s working well for you! 👍

@kellyjnewman Год назад

I wonder if they will ever offer multiple instances on the MixPre series. Possibly a hardware processing limitation? Anyone know?

@curtisjudd Год назад

That’s my guess - hardware limitation. It might also be another way to differentiate from the 8xx series.

@creativegreatsvisuals 10 месяцев назад

I like not having to synch audio in post: can you use the mix pre 6 ii to record synched audio plugged into the canon c70 instead of recoding separate audio ?

@curtisjudd 10 месяцев назад

Yes

@patrickchase5614 7 месяцев назад

What do you think about NoiseAssist vs SDNX on the 8-series? Also probably worth noting that you can now do 2 channels on the MixPres.

@curtisjudd 7 месяцев назад

Both work nicely on continuous noise like fans, but SDNX seems a tiny bit better. But you pay the price $$$.

@musar03580 3 месяца назад

Hello, Curtis. Are you planning to do a review of the +2 plugin for the MixPre-3's? Just purchased a MixPre-3 II and wondering if the +2 plugin is worth the extra $79 for the type of field recordings I do. The 3 channels alone are an upgrade from what I have done in the past, since I have only ever had stereo capabilities in the field.

@curtisjudd 3 месяца назад

Not so much a review but I’d say it is useful for those who need to record a mix plus 5 isolated channels (XLR inputs 1-3, stereo mix + either the 3.5mm stereo input or audio from USB). You can start without it and if you find you need it later, you always add it.

@lpseem3770 11 месяцев назад

I think I will still use ordinary gating, like in drum recordings. This NR sounds amazing, but I like to control it a little more than a -db dial.

@curtisjudd 11 месяцев назад

@A.Alabduljader 27 дней назад

Hello , Q : what are the differences between low cut and noisesssit plugin

@curtisjudd 26 дней назад

NoiseAssist filters noise at all frequencies and does so adaptively. A low cut filter is not adaptive - either on or off - and only filters low frequencies.

@mychess5821 11 месяцев назад

Can't the audio recorders be used as audio interfaces for music production? I mean why is there a separate thing as audio interfaces whereas recorders can do both the jobs?

@curtisjudd 11 месяцев назад

Yes, but when a device fills both purposes, it usually isn’t as great at one of the jobs. The MixPre is ok as an audio interface, but isn’t what I use every day as my audio interface.

@BLACK_ROYAL_FAMILY_TV Год назад

They need to make this plug in for the f6 zoom

@curtisjudd Год назад

That’d be neat.

@benjaminlachenal2822 Год назад

You talked about mix assist. Does it hold up to mackie dlz creator's auto mix or is it completely different? Thanks for your answer.

@curtisjudd Год назад

It is actually better on the MixPre than the DLZ.

@benjaminlachenal2822 Год назад

@@curtisjudd ok so for a three persons podcast mixpre is better to aliminate mic bleed?

@curtisjudd Год назад

That’s my experience.

@benjaminlachenal2822 Год назад

@@curtisjudd ok thanks because i have the zoom f6 ans find it doesn't work very well

@curtisjudd Год назад

@@benjaminlachenal2822 I found the MixPre to work a little better, but neither are magic. You still have to position the participants and microphones optimally and manage room reflections and noise.

@JSSTUDIO-wr2jq Год назад

🙂👍

@curtisjudd Год назад

🙏

@HasanNYC Год назад

NoiseAssist is excellent. However if cost is a concern, Nvidia Broadcast Noise Removal isn't too bad. if you have Nvidia 3000 series or above GPU.

@curtisjudd Год назад

👍 and don’t have any issues with the latency.

@TheUnMarketingGroup Год назад

Due to only working on one channel or bus I feel that Noise Assist on the Mix Pre series just isn't a useful solution and quite expensive. In a live situation you really need to apply equal amounts of noise resolution to both the L and R bus and for recorded audio, post processing is far more cost efficient and effective.

@curtisjudd Год назад

In live situations for spoken word content, you generally only need one channel.

@TheUnMarketingGroup Год назад

Perhaps for youtube livestreams. We often have multiple open mics (panel discussions, multiple presenters, etc.) as well as audience q&a and ambient mics. We pan them all to produce a stereo mix that gets sent into the L/R inputs on our switcher. It is a much better live stream experience than panning everything to a single channel then dual mono inputs to the switcher.

@curtisjudd Год назад

@@TheUnMarketingGroup 👍 There’s beauty when you find a workflow that works well for your show.

@BrookStockton 7 месяцев назад

It's available for two channels on mixpre

@TheUnMarketingGroup 7 месяцев назад

@@BrookStockton It is now!

@GaryStockton Год назад

That's powerful. I bet that could eliminate my need to have a dbx 286s in my chain.

@curtisjudd Год назад

👍

@adobemastr Год назад

Maybe it's because I'm getting older, Curtis, but this is soooo complicated! When you have to scroll through multiple screens to get something to work, for me, this is a negative. I like simple, and the more simple, the better. But this "Noise assist" does sound great, even at the lowest setting. Too bad it is so complicated. And at $300 for the plugin, it is almost unconscionable that Sound Devices is charging this much for so much complexity.

@curtisjudd Год назад

Ok. Would love to hear how you’d rather have it set up in the menus. 🙏

@adobemastr Год назад

@@curtisjudd Well, instead of having to drill down through so many prompts until you arrive at the correct setting, simplicity would be to reduce all those steps down to a minimum to say, two or at the very most, three steps: one or two would be ideal. I'm no expert on how to do this, Curtis, just an average guy who despises drilling down into seemingly endless menu choices to get something to work on a field recorder. Again, I love and prefer simplicity and ease of use. I have an Olympus LS-100 recorder that puts out fantastic recordings but is so complicated to use that I dread using it.

@mattcarlson12 Год назад

That was my first thought too watching him go through all those menu settings. So clunky.

@curtisjudd Год назад

@@adobemastr NoiseAssist requires a good bit of processing so it can only be applied to a single channel. I’m not sure how to make it easier. I LOVE that you have one setting in the channel menu - 0 to 20 dB of attenuation.

@curtisjudd Год назад

@@mattcarlson12 not sure what to say. Have to be able to assign which channel you want to apply it to and how much. 2 settings. I don’t see how to make it easier other than make a far more expensive device that has enough processing power to apply NoiseAssist to ALL channels and just leave it on all the time.

@DanLiveOnUTube Год назад

The low latency is about the only thing that is great about it. I will say though if you are live streaming, and you can compensate for the delay, getting a plug-in like the clarity vx even if you pay for the pro version you’re not limited to a single channel processing. The lack of processing power on the MixPre pretty much guarantee this to have a very narrow use case. I recently purchased the C-Vox on my UAD I can vouch for the advantage to have real time built-in noise suppression, but even then, it is licensed to any UAD product that I own, and is usable on multiple channels, as long as I have enough processing power… with a price of 175. Yes, $300 for this thing on the mix-pre is really difficult for me to swallow.

@curtisjudd Год назад

Portability is another advantage.

@klajdi9999 Год назад

300 $ one channel is an arrogant act from sound devices in front of amazing AI plugins! Why I need to play dangerous games with sound quality in real time? We know very well that in field has a lot of rush and work in long hours. I can edit calmy in studio in a new day, with calmy ears, and with profesional monitors

@curtisjudd Год назад

I see it mainly for live use, such as a livestream.