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USING OUR COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE - John Vervaeke PHD #51 

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How has the evolution of cognition led to homo-sapiens being such effective collaborators and how is the collective knowledge and wisdom of the society distributed and passed on to later generations? How can we apply the amplified wisdom of distributed cognition to solve some of humanities biggest problems?
Today we have the important fields of Collective Intelligence and how we can use it to solve our problems as a society, to try and get our heads around. We’ll be discussing the relevance of difficulties arising from cognitive science and physics research that for some put into question the consensus story that embodied feelings were fundamental in the development of reasoning and consciousness; We also discuss the relevance of the work of Carl Jung on the Collective Unconscious; of Neuroscientist Anil Seth’s Controlled Hallucination and Don Hoffman’s User interface theory; of Iain McGilchrist’s split brain research and of Michael Levin’s take on cellular cognition.
There is of course only one polymath who can hold that many topics in a single conversation and that’s the Cognitive scientist, and philosopher John Vervaeke. Vervaeke is the director of UToronto’s Consciousness and Wisdom Studies Laboratory and its Cognitive Science program, where he teaches an Introduction to Cognitive Science and The Cognitive Science of Consciousness.
He has been a leading intellectual observer of the modern meaning crisis: the loss of a spiritual worldview in the West, and the decline of wisdom traditions that help individuals find meaning in their lives. His online lectures and practices integrate teachings from many different disciplines, including philosophy, psychology, religion, and cutting edge cognitive science. He is the author and presenter of the RU-vid series “Awakening from the Meaning Crisis” and his brand new series, ‘After Socrates.’
What we discuss:
00:00 Intro.
05:35 Losing faith without losing a taste for the transcendent.
15:30 the difference between intelligence and living cognition.
18:40 Relevance realisation: What to attend to in the sea of info available.
21:00 Cognition “cares” because its life is on the line: Salience landscapes.
24:15 Humans VS persons.
30:05 Distributed Cognition explained.
30:30 ‘Reason is monological’ framework.
33:15 The rise of individualism.
33:30 Cognition is computation - Thomas Hobbes.
34:30 Distributed computation and problem solving via the internet.
36:30 ‘Reason is dialogical’ framework.
38:00 Your best self-correction ability is with other people.
39:30 Language is crucial to dialogical success.
42:30 Life builds collective intelligence without language.
45:50 Issues from neuroscience and quantum physics.
50:30 Predictive processing to identify salience.
51:30 The brain is predicting itself.
52:30 The imaginary VS the imaginal.
53:40 Imaginally augmented perception.
58:00 Casuality is not the same as causal relevance: Acausal phenomena.
01:00:30 Determinism VS fractal probability.
01:03:50 A hierarchy of cognitive selves: Michael Levin.
01:06:50 There isn’t just bottom up emergence but top down emanation.
01:07:20 Deep continuity: Sailing between Scylla and Erebus - Evan Thompson.
01:09:30 Hierarchies of selves: Michael Levin.
01:15:30 Could we be part of single selves greater than our individual organisms?
01:17:30 Cognition is a continuum but differences of degree eventually make differences of kind.
01:19:30 Solving collective problems via distributed cognition and practices of connectedness.
01:25:20 Left/right hemisphere considerations for distributed cognition: Iain McGilchrist.
01:30:20 The right hemisphere is great at insights but also jumps to conclusions.
01:32:30 Adaptivity: Self-transcendence VS self-delusion.
01:35:15 Narrative bias and the Left Brain interpreter: Mike Gazzaniga.
01:37:00 Extended naturalism over reductionist materialism and consciousness first.
01:40:24 The Collective Unconscious - Carl Jung.
01:46:25 A lot of the unconscious contents are not narrative like or persona like.
References:
“After Socrates” You Tube series
• After Socrates
“The meaning Crisis” You Tube series
• Awakening from the Mea...
Michael Levin - Cellular cognition
www.chasingconsciousness.net/...
Yuval Hari, “Sapiens: A brief history of Humankind”
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Evan Thompson - Deep continuity hypothesis
“Mind in Life: Biology, Phenomenology, and the Sciences of Mind”www.hup.harvard.edu/books/978...
Seminal books that opened John up in adolescence:
Roger Zelazny, “Lord of light”
www.amazon.it/Lord-Light-Roge...
Hermann Hesse, “Siddharta”
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Robertson Davies, “Fifth business”
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Комментарии : 9   
@scotland_from_up_high7440
@scotland_from_up_high7440 6 месяцев назад
I cant quite believe how underrated your RU-vid channel is. Your work deserves a lot more recognition. You always research your guests extremely well, ask pertinent questions and speak with clarity, conciseness and eloquence. Please keep up the great work.
@ChasingConsciousnessPodcast
@ChasingConsciousnessPodcast 6 месяцев назад
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@OmriC
@OmriC 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for asking the questions you asked. You’re a talented interviewer.
@JohnAllenWatts
@JohnAllenWatts 5 месяцев назад
John's special value to the meaning question, which sets him apart, is his emphasis on embodied experience. Thus he takes the important step beyond dry philosophy and to the domain of authentic spiritual practice within a community. Many very otherwise brilliant people who live predominantly by the left hemisphere per McGilchrist, thus get nowhere and help no one. John on the other hand is "pointing " to The Way or the perrenial wisdom. Seek a community of true seekers...
@henrytep8884
@henrytep8884 6 месяцев назад
Brain is fried. Thank you for having a wonderful conversation with dr.Vervaeke, thoroughly enjoyed.
@HeronMarkBlade
@HeronMarkBlade 6 месяцев назад
fantastic interview, great work as ever, thank you.
@ChasingConsciousnessPodcast
@ChasingConsciousnessPodcast 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for listening
@missh1774
@missh1774 6 месяцев назад
1:14:30 could it be as high as the compass is centred in the distribution? John does academic dialogue like a kungfu master ...love how he see's where the question comes from before anyone else. Even better is how it gets returned in the right frame lol. The best so far for honouring the relationship you have with other people and their science. Thanks!
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