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Using Simple Aerodynamics to Beat High Gas Prices (Home Improvement Store Edition) 

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@stratos2
@stratos2 2 года назад
Now do the changes you suggested. Really curious how far you can push this!
@colinbowman8816
@colinbowman8816 2 года назад
Agree!
@eatthedead1ify
@eatthedead1ify 2 года назад
same!
@snermann
@snermann 2 года назад
the upgrade looks cool and if its efective nice however i do recomend removing the wheel cover since it could technicaly kill u in curtain situations like where u need to lets say brake a lot, since u dont have the wind moving thru the brakes anymore becouse the cover if u break too much and go downhill and use breaks a lot they will not cool that efectivley which will in turn heat them up and make them brake worse, however there might be a solution in formula racing since they usualy do a lot of aerodinamic stuff so maybe look there for anwsers, im not a profesional just my personal opinion on the things i know
@roguenoss2482
@roguenoss2482 2 года назад
@@snermann he could do something simillar to the front wheels of the mclaren speedtail. Pretty much an aero cover that's not spinning with the rims and has ducts for airflow to the brakes.
@arturogarcia-fp7di
@arturogarcia-fp7di 2 года назад
Really i was expecting that and boom the end 😡
@peterxyz3541
@peterxyz3541 2 года назад
You could use clear plastic sheet to transition your tail light
@dundeedideley1773
@dundeedideley1773 2 года назад
cling film lol
@outlaw7x77
@outlaw7x77 2 года назад
Led lights come in all shapes and sizes. Incorporate your own designed aero lights being sure to follow state laws. Part 2?
@larsassinck3868
@larsassinck3868 2 года назад
Exactly what I thought
@ZafiraSteve
@ZafiraSteve 2 года назад
I was going to say this
@hambaallah1948
@hambaallah1948 Год назад
People on back cant estimate distance if you use plastic clear. Likely they will hit you.
@BikeGuyFPV
@BikeGuyFPV 2 года назад
8:12 actually, you can do something to stop the turbulence by the rear lights. You could put a big piece of clear PC plastic and curve it to fit the gap. You can still see the signals from behind but still get rid of the turbulent air.
@piggyporkerboo
@piggyporkerboo 2 года назад
came here to say this
@TheProtocol48
@TheProtocol48 2 года назад
PC plastic curve...sounds like a project in and of itself.
@excaliburjohndeere7657
@excaliburjohndeere7657 2 года назад
What about wire mesh or insect screen that you would see you in a window it is also see-through. I would like to make a boat tail out of insect screen
@0xsergy
@0xsergy 2 года назад
@@excaliburjohndeere7657 lol.
@OlafGodredsson
@OlafGodredsson 2 года назад
Packing tape
@brianfox340
@brianfox340 2 года назад
The proposed new shape would hit the ground on every bump and dip. Maybe halfway between would work better. Clearly if a manufacturer did this they could relocate the tail lights to the tip, which would help that area massively. I'm actually really impressed with a 13% improvement.
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 Год назад
yeah it would to low is just as bad as to high cause pot holes and other bumps in the road make the lowest possible being very bad for the car driving down the road sadly
@tobiaskaczmarek
@tobiaskaczmarek 2 года назад
0:29 $6.438 for a gallon (3.785 l) so 6.438 / 3.785 gives us $1,70 per Liter. $1 = 1.01 €. So 1.72 € per Liter. Here in Germany this would be considered cheap compared to our gas prices. It's 2 € per Liter here (6th September 22). Would be round $ 7.50 per gallon.
@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20
@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20 2 года назад
Yeah, that's still very cheap compared to EU prices. It was that cheap here some time before the Russia war in Ukraine . . . Luckily the price has fallen here. At highest it was around 2,70 € / litre what I have seen here in Finland, now around 2,2 € / l.
@divinehatred6021
@divinehatred6021 2 года назад
@@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20 Keep in mind that US roads are really long and poorly constructed.
@dundeedideley1773
@dundeedideley1773 2 года назад
13% is kinda huge to be fair! I suggest putting wheel spats on the rear wheels as well, should net you antoher 1-2% at least!
@daylen577
@daylen577 2 года назад
13% is absolutely mental with some foam, but also immediately shows how moot this project is. It's neat, don't get me wrong, but you very quickly run into diminishing returns and cap out at whatever your state allows. Unless you can min-max by really making a new body or major changes to the existing body and also move around the lights, there's just no way it's going to get much better.
@gibbs677bg
@gibbs677bg 2 года назад
but how does it fit in a normal Walmart parking space???
@pancudowny
@pancudowny 2 года назад
Old saying in advertising: When selling the numbers, always go with the more impressive. 13% don't mean much if it gets 10-mpg as-factory. But if it gets 20-30 MPG....😉
@kentonian
@kentonian 2 года назад
@@gibbs677bg the whole thing could hinge at the top and fold over the top of the car. Or an idea I had years ago would be for a tail like this to be inflatable. It would just inflate once you were on a highway
@ddjohnson9717
@ddjohnson9717 2 года назад
10% increase means every 10 fuel up you save one right(as in 10 fuel up = 11 fuel up) no? that's a lot or am I missing something?
@paulgrieger8182
@paulgrieger8182 2 года назад
Word of caution: I modded a minivan for hypermiling and added "smoothies" wheel covers. I had insufficient front brake cooling, and the front brake pads cracked in half.
@TM450FI
@TM450FI 2 года назад
It's a minivan..............
@mattcee7113
@mattcee7113 2 года назад
You can add front brake ducts to help cooling and it’s also race car technology
@jeffk464
@jeffk464 2 года назад
Death is a small price to pay for increased miles per gallon.
@Brandon-uy1uv
@Brandon-uy1uv 2 года назад
yea, a cars wheels/ rims are designed to absorb and dissipate heat, some even help force air into the brake discs for improved cooling
@jeeewhyyypheee
@jeeewhyyypheee 2 года назад
Maybe adding brake duct to channel direct air from front could help?
@aerostaraircraftsanctuary604
@aerostaraircraftsanctuary604 2 года назад
How about removing the rails on the top of the roof? You could also add skirts to the rear wheel wells. Consider removing weight too, carry less fuel, remove interior rugs, rear seat when not in use and toolboxes in the trunk etc. Type of tires makes a big difference in mileage as well as tire pressure. Also, did you do a tuft test without the vortex generators?
@cagneybillingsley2165
@cagneybillingsley2165 2 года назад
or you could just buy a car that's already aerodynamic
@poplaurentiu4148
@poplaurentiu4148 2 года назад
@@cagneybillingsley2165 & super-efficient like : VW XL1..
@-The_Phantom
@-The_Phantom 2 года назад
@@cagneybillingsley2165 lol , the guy's trying to save money
@jimmybobco
@jimmybobco 2 года назад
Ahhhhhh a true hypermiler ;)
@GonTar_X
@GonTar_X 2 года назад
Remove the tools? Sure let's just get stranded in the middle of nowhere with no phone signal and hope for a beautiful single lady to pass by and give us a ride
@paulheineman
@paulheineman 2 года назад
Nice, I was on the team that built that solar car. Rotating wheels create a lot of turbulent air, so that lower side surface will probably always be turbulent, except if you make stationary wheel covers like on old Citroen cars, or the modern 'lightyear zero'. Putting tape over the gaps around your hood makes a surprisingly large difference too. Interested if you can find a way to keep the underside laminar as we struggle with that on our solar cars also, but only around the wheels (sucks that they have to spin to move)
@msbealo
@msbealo Год назад
You, or someone you worked with, probably did the maths but what proportion of the drag is from viscose forces? I'm more used to boats so I don't have a handle on this. Adding surface area with act against you eventually.
@paulheineman
@paulheineman Год назад
@@msbealo Correct, that is partly why the solar cars are so small. It is always a balance. The trailing edge has a significant impact on the overall drag so you can get away with adding a certain amount of bodywork in the back.
@PhilipJeong-u9g
@PhilipJeong-u9g 2 года назад
I thought you were fishing in the thumbnail And I cant believe that you actually did this job for real Its absolutely amazing that you put this thought into action. Thanks for letting me watch such a great video
@TheSFMCreators
@TheSFMCreators 2 года назад
You could potentially cover the taillights with a clear plastic sheet, keeping them visible but allowing the air to flow smoothly. I am unsure how this would introduce glare to the taillights though.
@alexrosado3890
@alexrosado3890 2 года назад
Your solution and potential problem is inspiring. I myself thought of just moving the tail lights and plate to the back but your idea is much better.
@TheSFMCreators
@TheSFMCreators 2 года назад
@@alexrosado3890 I mean alternatively, you can cover the taillights and wire auxiliary lights to the back (simple red and amber lights, like the ones you would see on a trailer). I think that solution would be the best of both worlds
@isaiahc8390
@isaiahc8390 2 года назад
This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20. Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God. Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!
@C-64
@C-64 2 года назад
@@TheSFMCreators yeah i like this solution too, that way if someone crashed into the portion sticking out behind your car there will be no excuse.
@Adri9570
@Adri9570 2 года назад
-General Aladeen: just make it...more pointy! 🧔🏻🚀
@atomicsmith
@atomicsmith 2 года назад
That lower side turbulence is probably from the wheel well. You'd have to put a skirt over that to improve it. The underbody is indeed where most of your drag comes from. I've seen some analysis that at nearly half of the drag on most gas cars comes from the underbody...
@nelsonphillips
@nelsonphillips 2 года назад
I second this advice. A flat floor would be better than skirts(edit: as proposed from the video @9:08) as this will increase the frontal area. I have a recent video on how much a floor impacts drag.
@Ripsticker45
@Ripsticker45 2 года назад
what! drag can't possibly come from an area on the car consumers can't see!
@diyEVguy
@diyEVguy 2 года назад
@@nelsonphillips Yes: F_d = 1/2∙ρּּּ⁠∙v²∙S∙c_dּ with F_d as drag force (N), ρּּּ as the density of air (kg/m^3), v as speed (m/s), S as frontal surface area (m^2) and c_d as drag coefficient (-). Adding "skirts" could reduce c_d, *but* would simultaneously increase S. Edit: also the angle shown at 9m15s should be max 15° according to rules of thumb if I remember correctly from aerodynamics class.
@dperreno
@dperreno 2 года назад
As to Adam's suggestion - yes, I would try covering the rear wheels flush with the body side if possible - that would probably make a big difference on the side of the vehicle. Unfortunately, you can't do this with the front wheels as they need to be able to turn.
@cailco100
@cailco100 2 года назад
@@dperreno Depending on how the wheel turns. the inside of the wheel well, the changes in camber and how much space the tyre takes in the well under bumps and compressing. you can mount something that either links to the suspension or wheel hub. that turns with the wheels. More engineering and mechanical complexing. but you get it right and you can do the front as well. Better to save the headache, time money and possible illegal or cops pulling you over. or having something just fuck up. sticking with the back is probably best. which sucks.
@markschlehr6911
@markschlehr6911 2 года назад
I've been thinking about this for years. Many cars could benefit from an inflatable airstream on the front. Maybe clear and it wouldn't interfere with headlights or visibility. And deflates for city driving/ parking. There you go. My patentable idea revealed.
@AdisMedzikovic
@AdisMedzikovic 2 года назад
Thanks now I‘m going to get rich
@Ilove3SGTE
@Ilove3SGTE 2 года назад
Maybe for an electric most gas cars have radiators at the front that need cooled. Also the font is actually most of the time less important then the back.
@jimysk8er
@jimysk8er 2 года назад
Are you referring to a nose cone? If so, unless you are reaching supersonic speeds, it's not really that beneficial to add a nose cone at the front. Your front cross section remains the same. Adding a splitter or a dam of some sorts to reduce air going under the car would be helpful and could be inflatable.
@reecedeyoung6595
@reecedeyoung6595 2 года назад
@@jimysk8er or just a metal plate attached to pistons with a sensor that moves it up and down depending on road conditions. Pretty sure the Acura integra did something like that in the 90s
@jimysk8er
@jimysk8er 2 года назад
@@reecedeyoung6595 yep a couple of cars have venting based on temperature or rear and front wings based on speed and or braking.
@zamin_ali
@zamin_ali 2 года назад
If you decide to make the changes that were suggested, please make a follow-up video. Really curious if the improvements will make a significant difference. Thank you.
@YoutubeChanneI
@YoutubeChanneI 2 года назад
Man I really love learning about air flow and how things work and can be improved. Just subscribed, this channel is awesome!
@ratuldeoun7228
@ratuldeoun7228 2 года назад
Science is super fascinating especially outside of the classroom 😂
@blacksquirrel4008
@blacksquirrel4008 2 года назад
I had to tow a utility trailer 1000 miles behind my Land Rover, which used to get 18 mpg hwy. The trailer was heavy but, since it also had two sea kayaks on top of it, it effectively filled the void behind the tall Rover with a tapering mass and the mileage actually went up to almost 20.
@vitopannucci2001
@vitopannucci2001 2 года назад
I moved to an apartment nearly 200 miles away and had a table in the bed. Typically that same drive would average 22-23 mpg including a bit of city, but this time it was a tick over 25 mpg at the pump. With a table.
@brianfox340
@brianfox340 2 года назад
That's incredible.
@pravindahiya719
@pravindahiya719 2 года назад
@@vitopannucci2001 the speed must be significantly lower than normal driving & as you told in another comment - the drag depends exponentially on speed !🙏
@pravindahiya719
@pravindahiya719 2 года назад
your lower speed was a big contributer to the increased milage.
@27Zangle
@27Zangle 2 года назад
Back in 2005, I had loaded my vehicle to relocate cross country. It was loaded down far beyond what should’ve been in the car. It was rated 17c / 26h and with it loaded down, closing the gap between the bottom of the car and the road, it got 31-34mpg on the highway.
@jfv65
@jfv65 2 года назад
the single most effective improvement would be to make a flat underbody panel and screw that to the car. Maybe closing off the rear wheel wells would help too. And fitting narrow low rolling resistance tires.
@samkwant4050
@samkwant4050 2 года назад
wouldn't the rear end work like a massive diffuser with a flat floor though? All the low pressure pulling the rear of the car downwards
@dundeedideley1773
@dundeedideley1773 2 года назад
@@samkwant4050 not if it stays this tame of an angle. A diffuser doesn't really work that well at highway speeds anyway.
@outlaw7x77
@outlaw7x77 2 года назад
Jack up the tire pressure.
@louf7178
@louf7178 2 года назад
Have wanted to do this for years. Catalytic converter heat is a concern; a closed bottom might deter against catalytic converter theft, too.
@jorghelfrich8884
@jorghelfrich8884 2 года назад
@@louf7178 Indeed, even just exhaust pipe heat and other types of heat build up are a concern when doing this. It'll definitely need something other than cardboard/foam
@Iowa599
@Iowa599 2 года назад
Awesome! You may have legal issues about the length of air ducting that extends past the tail lights & licence plate. Since the ducting is functioning as body work, the rear of the car is now legally defined as the end of that, and your lights may be required to be at the rear of the car. As for the licence plate, it may be required to be viewed from the side of the car, but it's not since you need to look down the "portal". Otherwise that's pretty cool. I think you should make one from 0.030" aluminum held on with pop rivets when you have the design "finalized", so it is a little more durable!
@ac.creations
@ac.creations 2 года назад
Better off to bondo all the gaps, sand, and fiberglass the whole thing.
@shpstr
@shpstr 2 года назад
Just wanted to comment the exact same thing. In the whole video I think I didn't see the licence plate once. And yes, tail lights. I guess they're called "tail" lights for a reason ...
@Iowa599
@Iowa599 2 года назад
@@ac.creationsI guess he could 'glass the whole thing, since currently it is foam!
@punker4Real
@punker4Real 2 года назад
Not an issue as he added a red light see 5:05 but should add red reflective tape or reflectors
@Iowa599
@Iowa599 2 года назад
@@punker4Real that's a taillight, only, and it looks more like an afterburner.
@theneverman
@theneverman 2 года назад
Long haul truckers have those foldable panels to reduce that butt-drag. Nice work.
@hikerJohn
@hikerJohn 2 года назад
Cover the taillight indents with clear plastic. The back end can be wider so there's less turbulence on the sides. You can also put a clear plastic tail cone over the hole so it's more like a wing . . . Reading the other comments I'm just repeating what others have said. The bottom cant be as low as you showed or you wont be able to get in the gas station driveway. Replace body panels with carbon fiber to cut weight, a lot of energy is used accelerating that heavy car. Take the back seats out. Take off the rear glass.
@acoffeewithsatan
@acoffeewithsatan 2 года назад
I was thinking the same thing! One could even take a budget approach and use clear packing tape to form the cover.
@thatguyalex2835
@thatguyalex2835 2 года назад
The solution to high gas prices? Don't drive, unless it is necessary or for special occasions. Have meetings on the computer. Have cities that have amenities near residential (or included in a multipurpose building, like the 2014 canceled Sky City in China or the 1989 Sky City 1000 concept in Japan).
@hikerJohn
@hikerJohn 2 года назад
@@thatguyalex2835 Yep, follow the leading and manipulation of the lefts agenda. The peons or peasant should just stay home while the elites have fun.
@Cuttablebeast1
@Cuttablebeast1 2 года назад
Wide body issue could be solved using scrape friendly products like a door rubber sealer for the absolute bottom part.
@Blakezilla594
@Blakezilla594 2 года назад
...ooooor just get a motorcycle
@AustinPerdue
@AustinPerdue 2 года назад
I had the privilege of owning Aerocivic for a short time, and I'm thrilled to see others experimenting with boat tailing and other aerodynamic items.
@excaliburjohndeere7657
@excaliburjohndeere7657 2 года назад
How do you think a wire mesh Boat tail would work like you would see in a window. The thing would breathe so it would decrease lift. I’ve been thinking about it for about a month. I’ve done some experiments in the shop using a air hose the airflow follows the curvature and angle. I can put my hand under the wire mesh and don’t feel any direct pressure from the air hose that I am blowing on the screen at the angle it’ll blow straight through but it follows the curvature of the wire mesh When you’re trying to mimic the boat tail angle
@AustinPerdue
@AustinPerdue 2 года назад
@@excaliburjohndeere7657 I can only guess. So long as the mesh is fine enough, I'd wager you'd get nearly all of the benefit. I'm of the opinion that an inflatable tail is probably a better way to go, however, and it isn't all that expensive to have manufactured.
@O-cDxA
@O-cDxA 2 года назад
@@excaliburjohndeere7657 I've wondered the same ! I suggested this idea for enclosing recumbent bikes, but haven't seen anyone take up the idea. Screen would direct air down the sides of the vehicle, while also allowing air to pass through from crosswinds ! Would love to see what you come up with.
@KF99
@KF99 2 года назад
It could be a brilliant alternative for external rooftop trunks or small trailers. It can imrove both capacity and aerodynamics.
@jackthatmonkey8994
@jackthatmonkey8994 2 года назад
Good point - though more weight increases rolling resistance, decreasing MPG!
@TheFallenFaob
@TheFallenFaob 2 года назад
Some semi truck trailers have small version of this on them called a trailer tail
@briancoss8482
@briancoss8482 2 года назад
Hay that's good thinking There "
@Dejawolfs
@Dejawolfs 2 года назад
it'd make the car more rear heavy though which could do funky stuff to handling.
@xavierrodriguez2463
@xavierrodriguez2463 2 года назад
@@Dejawolfs not really, it all depends on how you incorporate the real wheels
@kari53
@kari53 Год назад
We did this back in the 90's on a high-school car learning about aerodynamics. I later doubled the fuel economy on an old Ford van. GM had prototypes similiar to your car. Infact the EV-1was there real application of extending the range of their current car. However, manufactures soon learn people didn't like this look for your vehicle. There are cap manufacturers though that have aerodynamic caps for your truck to increase mileage. Loved your video. I can geek out on drag coefficiency numbers and designs along with hydro-dynamics.
@VictorPoulin
@VictorPoulin 2 года назад
humidity fluctuations in the air will matter
@peterxyz3541
@peterxyz3541 2 года назад
The term for this approach to cars is “hyper mile” or “hyper miling”. Check out Buckminster Fuller’s design
@rkan2
@rkan2 2 года назад
Ecomodder is the place to be
@wrenchpony9735
@wrenchpony9735 2 года назад
@@rkan2 agreed. Been following Ecomodder for a long time. Aerocivic is the O.G. aeromod.
@40PMLucian
@40PMLucian 2 года назад
you should really go all out and make the most aerodynamic and fuel efficient subaru hatchback to exist
@saborwolf
@saborwolf 2 года назад
Take a look at the Volkswagon XL1. They used similar aerodynamics, covered the rear wheels, removed the wing mirrors and had cameras instead, made it out of light materials, and put in a pretty small engine. It was a hybrid, though the battery would get you maybe 30-40km. But it achieved anywhere between 150-300mpg, depending on how you measured it
@gamechip06
@gamechip06 2 года назад
And you can buy a nice 911 for that price, I don't think anyone who bought the xl1 had any financial issues.
@THESLlCK
@THESLlCK 2 года назад
@@gamechip06 it was a fling experiment, but still. It's not like the tech is not replicable. You could custom build something like that for maybe 30k.
@Dang_Near_Fed_Up
@Dang_Near_Fed_Up Год назад
@@THESLlCK And then spend double that jumping through governmental hoops in order to get it judged to be street legal, so you could get a tag and insurance. The government does not want efficient vehicles on the road, they want their tax money from gas sales. There are many more efficient vehicles from around the world that can not be imported into America for that very reason. Case in point look at the fuel economy stats on the exact same model motorcycles and cars in Japan and Europe that are imported into America, they get better mileage / range, and have better performance, despite only minor cosmetic changes and deliberate engine efficiency decreases required in order to allow them to be imported into America.
@sargera1
@sargera1 Год назад
corvvette did this way back lol, stingray
@hobbes5043
@hobbes5043 Год назад
@@gamechip06911 is a planet killer. Get a Prius bqueer
@miguelcontreras5782
@miguelcontreras5782 2 года назад
I like what you are doing! just a few of suggestions: 1: Dont go for the the design where you creat a flat rear with a curved top that extends all the way down to de floor (9:24) it will create way too much lift and might make your car fatally unstable at 65mph 2: Following the previous recomendation, try the side and front skirts you mentioned, but first try to create a smooth underfloor, it will have massive gains. 3: If you can get away with not using disc wheel covers, but instead create a way to close the wheel arch (at least at the rear) you could also stand to gain a lot.
@TheJustinJ
@TheJustinJ Год назад
Yes like the old chevy caprice they got amazing gas mileage and were very modern and stylish in 1993... not.
@asianinashed
@asianinashed 2 года назад
I own WRX I see impreza I see cool impreza I see cool impreza with tail I click I enjoy I like Simple
@confusedone97
@confusedone97 2 года назад
Vortex generators help remove any *smooth* flow you might be getting down the side of the car. You probably already have a ton of turbulence from the wheel wells, but I think you need to try your run again with the vortex generators removed and the yarn indicators back on to see if that helps at all
@briancoss8482
@briancoss8482 2 года назад
I was wondering about that myself? Why vortex generator's? They create turbulence "
@kai.05
@kai.05 2 года назад
From what I know, it's to prevent low pressure zones where there are gaps, preventing a more violent form of turbulence and vortices. Not complete sure though
@cameron.t
@cameron.t 2 года назад
Yeah, the older 737 Classic had vortex generators to induce flow separation over the wing due to the apricot-shaped nacelles and also around the tail area. I’m not an engineer… but I think vortex generators are generally counter intuitive to having smooth airflow over a surface.
@peteinwisconsin2496
@peteinwisconsin2496 2 года назад
Vortex generators are used on the upper surface of light aircraft wings to increase lift at low speeds (for Short Takeoff and Landing or STOL aircraft) though at the expense of greater drag and lower top speed. I am confident that these are NOT helpful on the sides of your car. A partial or full belly pan would likely be helpful though as another stated, be sure to allow an outlet for hot air from the radiator. The "aero" features on cars for the last 25-30 years are there to make the car look distinctive and give the illusion of value. No way do those features push the car down the road or reduce its weight.
@cas343
@cas343 2 года назад
@@briancoss8482 turbulence can be used to reattach airflow. Look at modern fighters with their massive strakes at the wing roots. They provide most of the lift
@BlackBird-nn2yc
@BlackBird-nn2yc 2 года назад
pretty sure a cop doesnt feel the same way about the license plate "being readable". you can read a license plate from almost everywhere behind a car. you can read yours only straight behind the car. also there is a channel on youtube called "Julian Edgar" on how to improve the aerodynamics of your road car, it goes into detail on how to improve your car earodynamics (without making it look like a fish)
@NicholasRehm
@NicholasRehm 2 года назад
Dare I ask.....how permanent is the goop on your tires? That's some true dedication to mileage
@thinkflight
@thinkflight 2 года назад
Not a mark!
@O-cDxA
@O-cDxA 2 года назад
@@thinkflight I see you must have been poking around at the Ecomodder forums. 👍 I'm surprised at how many comments you have on this video. I have to restrain myself from commenting to them all. It's frustrating seeing the same arguments over and over again. I really hope to see a version 2. As I am sure you can tell, the angle of the sides is too steep and you are getting flow separation. ( If you recall, Darin from Ecomodder had the same issue with his boattail. ) The open portion of the tail makes a nice box cavity for the airflow, but I'm worried that your plates aren't visible enough. Some reflective tape would also be good there as well. I like that lighting you have in there ! I just might steal that idea ! Regarding the angle of the tail underside, If you drive up even a slight incline, it will scrape if you bring the angle down any. I suggested an idea on the AeroCivic for a fix to that : what about having a flat panel ( floor ) that is at the correct angle, but is mounted with arms that compress ( I'm thinking of those hydraulic arms that hold up your hatch ) If that would be too costly, just have the panel hang loose by wire, and hinged. It would shake when you go over bumps though. I respect that you did this without listening to the critics. I did a quick tuft test with my 1993 Civic hatchback. It's only a few seconds long, but you might find it interesting. I have always wanted to go all out and do a boattail but Basjoos ( AeroCivic ) beat me to it. Looking forward to seeing more from this project !
@olafschermann1592
@olafschermann1592 Год назад
Just drive in reverse. Then the shape of your car looks quite efficient
@danigonzalez4299
@danigonzalez4299 2 года назад
Edit: PLEASE DON'T FOLLOW THE TYRE COVERINGS! It's potential to have a brake failure due to the brakes not cooling down. Don't even think on doing such a silly thing yourself ever! Get better ryms/tyres instead. That can potentially Kill You or someone else! Well that's too much probably. You won't be able to run legaly in Europe but you can improve your car's aerodinamics with simple tricks actually. First of all: Remove any silly things in the roof!!!!! Like the bars. NO bars in the roof are allowed if you want efficiency! That's KEY! First of all Mirrors: Mirrors can be reduced or can have aerodinamic apendixes in it's top to let airflow go. Second: Lower the car down: The highest, the less aerodinamical. Third: Seal the low end of the car. The underneath. That's where you have the real gain. Four: As you did but in a better way to allow brakes have air and breathe, get better wheels more efficient ones. Five: Close your windows all the time. Six: Recirculate your air (yes there's a button for it) when the air in the cabin is new and you use the AirCon, that gains up to 30% efficiency as the system is cooling the same air and the difference of temperature is quite low. New air from the outside means more work for the system. Seven: Take anything you DON'T use in your car out of the trunk. That reduces weight. Weight increases consumptions. Eight: Get the best tyres possible, not only fuel savers, but also the best size for your car to use less fuel. Usually the less tyre, the less consumption. And and and get the correct pressures on them at all times. That also reduces consumption. That's all that came to mind in 2 minutes. All the best. P.S: Really remove those things in the wheels, your brakes will NOT get enough cooling and you'll find yourself with no brakes and potentially you'll crash and get injuries. Please DON'T EVEN THINK on doing THIS! It's a very SILLY move. ALWAYS let your brakes COOL Down. P.S.2. If you want to improve the efficiency of your car, use the same panels you bought inside the doors and roof, to help protect the cabin from Heat and Cold, now you'll get a better isolation and that will help reduce your use of AC. That aside will help you minor your consumptions. Easier and less risky for your life than all the follish things you did, which are cool in a controller environment, but can supose a problem if they get loose to anyone on the same road. P.S.3. Another very helpful trick is: Don't get an AWD car. Those carry more weight, and usually spend quite more gasoline.
@johnjones928
@johnjones928 2 года назад
Most of what you've done was covered a hundred years ago, the raised tail you designed was experiencing reversion from the lack of clean flow from under and around the car. in the 1930's an aerodynamasist named Kamm found out the rear of an airfoil design didn't have to end in a true taper, the rear third or so could be cut off without adding muchvdrag to the design. I think you're on the right track by lowering the overall shape to give it a flatter floor, some of the most efficient profiles resemble a bisected teardrop with some of the tail cut off.
@uncareid5557
@uncareid5557 2 года назад
I vaguely remember a "Kamm back" car. Chevy Vega?
@rp9674
@rp9674 2 года назад
Might be a good approach to start extreme cut it back incrementally and see where improvement drops off
@capriceranana5733
@capriceranana5733 2 года назад
Check out en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpler_Tropfenwagen for another water drop design!
@rp9674
@rp9674 2 года назад
@@capriceranana5733 beautiful!
@oddshot60
@oddshot60 2 года назад
@@uncareid5557 There was a number of them back then. My first thought goes to the Shelby Daytona Coupe.
@RustOnWheels
@RustOnWheels 2 года назад
My biggest gas saving trick: driving 50/55 in stead of 65/70/75. It’s absolutely mind boggling how much that saves.
@saeedhossain6099
@saeedhossain6099 2 года назад
yep, drag increases by the square of speed, speed increases linearly with speed
@RustOnWheels
@RustOnWheels 2 года назад
@@saeedhossain6099 And to top that other factors add to a more than square increase; engine speed, drive train losses, friction losses… It all adds up to more than one would expect.
@maartentoors
@maartentoors 2 года назад
The 'THING' reminds me of the "Lightyear One" -comes to mind- .. also "Citroen DS".. However, here in Europe (Amsterdam) we pay €2,18/liter which is $9,92/gallon $5,499/gallon seems like UTOPIA!! Just saying. :) You are AWESOME. please keep posting these awesome projects/videos!
@plainText384
@plainText384 2 года назад
About the same in Germany. Even pre pandemic and everything gas was probably around 1,40€/l or about 5,93$/gallon back then.
@FlyingFun.
@FlyingFun. 2 года назад
Us gallon is a bit smaller so the figures will not quite compare but yes us gas cheaper fuel, they all drive big inefficient cars mostly though, maybe that will change now fuel is getting do expensive?
@maartentoors
@maartentoors 2 года назад
@@FlyingFun. True! I didn't realize, US Gallon is about 12% less than Imperial gallon. So in comparison: $8,81/gallon in EU compared to $5,50/gallon in the US. There is a difference there, but I sit corrected :)
@FlyingFun.
@FlyingFun. 2 года назад
@@maartentoors I only found that out recently too. Bit strange really but I think it's a similar story with other measurements too. You would think a us gallon wouldbe bigger if anything seeing everything is bigger and better in the us lol.
@diyEVguy
@diyEVguy 2 года назад
Yes! Also Porsche to some extent.
@Lumber_Jack
@Lumber_Jack 2 года назад
Nice work. My day job is aerodynamics and I will say the one big thing that jumped out at me is that you left the base area open, which creates a cavity inside your boattail. You could very well be creating low pressure inside the cavity which is then acting all along the rear hatch and bumper of the vehicle. Low pressure on aft-facing surfaces creates drag. You may see a notable benefit by simply closing the back end of your boattail (would need to move the license plate for visibility of course). Also, if you haven't already, research the "Kamm back" concept, which was developed by the Germans many years ago and has some benefits. Basically they discovered that at some point, extra boattail length doesn't help anymore, so long boattails are not necessarily better. Sometimes you are better off with a short boattail with shallower angles. Keep flow attached as long as possible to aid in pressure recovery behind the vehicle, then truncate the boattail at the point where it won't help much more. Compared to your long "steep" boattail that has separation on the sides and lower surface, a shorter shallower boattail may do as well or better.
@isaiahc8390
@isaiahc8390 2 года назад
Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20 Revelation 6 1st Seal: White horse = Roman Empire conquering nations under Trajan 98-117 AD & Gospel spreading rapidly. 2nd Seal: Red horse, bloody civil wars with 32 different Emperors, most killed by the sword. 185-284 AD 3rd Seal: Black horse, economic despair from high taxes to pay for wars, farmers stopped growing. 200-250 AD 4th Seal: Pale horse, 1/4th of Romans died from famine, pestilence; at one point 5,000 dying per day. 250-300 AD 5th Seal: Diocletian persecuted Smyrna church era saints for ten years, blood crying out for vengeance. 303-312 AD 6th Seal: Political upheaval in the declining Roman Empire while the leaders battled each other. 313-395 AD Revelation 7 Sealing of 144,000, the saints, before trumpet war judgments, which led to the fall of the Roman Empire. Revelation 8 1st Trumpet: Alaric and the Goths attacked from the north, the path of hail, and set it on fire. 400-410 AD 2nd Trumpet: Genseric and the Vandals attacked the seas and coastlands, the blood of sailors in water. 425-470 AD 3rd Trumpet: Attila and the Huns scourged the Danube, Rhine & Po rivers area, dead bodies made water bitter. 451 AD 4th Trumpet: Odoacer and the Heruli caused the last Western Emperor (sun), Senate (moon) to lose power. 476 AD With the Western Roman Emperor (restrainer of 2 Thes. 2) removed; the son of perdition Popes took power. Revelation 9 Two woe judgments against the central 1/3rd and eastern 1/3rd of the Roman Empire. 612-1453 AD 5th Trumpet: Locust & scorpions point to Arabia, the rise of the Muslim army. Islam hides Gospel from Arabs. 612-762 AD 6th Trumpet: Turks released to attack Constantinople with large cannons (fire, smoke, brimstone). 1062-1453 AD Revelation 10 The little book is the printed Bible, which was needed after the Dark Ages when Scriptures were banned by Popes. Revelation 11 7th Trumpet: Martin Luther measured Roman Church; found that it’s an apostate church, not part of true temple. The two witnesses are the Scriptures and saints who proclaim the pure Gospel and testify against the antichrist Popes. Papal Church pronounced Christendom dead in 1514 AD. Silence for 3.5 years. Then Luther posted his 95 Thesis, which sparked the Protestant Reformation and brought the witnesses back to life. Millions of Catholics were saved. Revelation 12 Satan used the Roman Empire to try to wipe out the early Church, Satan was cast down as the Empire collapsed. Revelation 13 The antichrist beast Popes reigned in power 1,260 years, 538-1798, is the little horn of Daniel 7, son of perdition. The false prophet Jesuit Superior General rose to power from land (earth) of Vatican and has created many deceptions. Revelation 14 Points to great harvest during the Protestant Reformation & wrath on Catholic countries who obey antichrist Pope. Revelation 15 Overcoming saints victorious over the beast. Prelude to 7 vials and judgment on those who support Papal Rome. Revelation 16 1st Vial: The foul sore of atheism was poured out on Catholic France, leaving them with no hope, led to revolution. 2nd Vial: The French Revolution started in 1793, killed 250,000, as France had obeyed the Pope and killed saints. 3rd Vial: The French Revolution spread to rural areas of France, where Protestants had been killed in river areas. 4th Vial: The bloody Napoleonic wars shed the blood of countries who had revered and obeyed the antichrist Pope. 5th Vial: Judgment on the seat of the beast. Papal States invaded in 1798, Pope imprisoned, removed from power. 6th Vial: The Turks vast domain dried up, they were only left with Turkey. They lost control of Palestine in 1917 AD, Israel became a nation again in 1948
@O-cDxA
@O-cDxA Год назад
@Lumber Jack : What about Box Cavities ? I have seen several cars that improved their drag by having a box cavity. Are you saying that in this case the open area is too deep, and that a box cavity needs to be shallow ?
@Lumber_Jack
@Lumber_Jack Год назад
@@O-cDxA I have used base cavities to reduce drag on heavy trucks (see SAE paper 2005-01-3526) and it's important for the cavity shape and depth to produce a recirculation bubble pattern. They are generally shallow cavities, about 0.2*W to 0.25*W deep where W is the base width (~ 8'6" for a heavy truck trailer). This raises pressure on the aft-facing base area and produces a thrust which offsets overall drag. Same effect you get on a modern pickup truck with the bed closed except it acts on the rear of the cab. Modern pickup trucks are putting lips on the trailing edge of the cab to enhance this effect. If a cavity is too deep or has the wrong shape, it can create the opposite effect, and lower pressure on the base area, increasing drag, or cause other problems. All of this could be explored with CFD to get an idea of what works for this vehicle. Sometimes the optimal shape will involve cutting the boattail short (Kamm back concept) in order to get max advantage out of all the competing effects, including with/without cavity. A long taper isn't always the best or most feasible.
@shmaknapublar
@shmaknapublar 2 года назад
Or you could go the Ferrari Breadvan route and try a Kamm tail based modification. When done correctly the vortices that fill in the gap behind the flat surface create a dynamic self regulating invisible long tail fairing.
@sebastianucero7535
@sebastianucero7535 2 года назад
I'm a lawyer in Argentina. The insurance law here makes this modification a breach in the insurance contract. If you have a car accident while having this modification, the insurance is canceled and you need to cover the damage. I don't know if is the same in the US. Very nice video. Thank you
@Lolatyou332
@Lolatyou332 2 года назад
Insurance is ass anyway. They cancel insurance for anything they can because they know most people won't pursue legally.
@oldschoolmotorsickle
@oldschoolmotorsickle 2 года назад
Sr Abogado In the US there is federal law and standards, and locally there are 50 different state jurisdictions, all with differing laws and interpretations applying. I personally cringe when I see some local lout with a mile-high pickup truck; in a crash, a normal sedan can go under (submarine) the tall-boy truck. I’ve never seen one of these illegal trucks cited, much less litigated or sued for egregious damage and lethality. This little car experiment is totally benign by comparison.
@dungeonbrownies
@dungeonbrownies 2 года назад
With that shape, you'd essentially be building a dropped Beetle, right?
@AustinPerdue
@AustinPerdue 2 года назад
Sure, with much shallower taper angles. The Beatle has among the worst drag coefficients.
@mrln247
@mrln247 2 года назад
Looking to see if anyone else mentioned VW, the old Porsche's where more slippery I believe.
@AustinPerdue
@AustinPerdue 2 года назад
@@mrln247 most of them had coefficients of drag in the 0.4x range. A lot of modern sedans are in the upper 0.2x range now.
@GoldenCroc
@GoldenCroc 2 года назад
@@AustinPerdue There really havent been *that* much improvement for sedan body shapes since the Audi 100 (C3) in 1982. But yeah, some cars back then, not to mention just ten years earlier, were way above 0.4
@killsalot78
@killsalot78 2 года назад
9:24 One thing about the front air dam is that it creates a high pressure zone in front of the car. This causes drag not as turbulence but in the from of downforce, with the high pressure air pushing the front of the car into the ground. Useful in racing but I don't think its going to help for fuel efficiency. I think simply making the rear swoop level with the cars body line would do a lot more than any front aero. And for the tail lights, I think you could go outside right now, put clear packing tape over the void, bridging it. And then you'll have another 1-2% right there. Either way for version 2 there are a lot of easy easy ways to make flush, unobtrusive covers instead of having that big parachute pit. I would suggest adding some undercladding before you add a front air dam. But really I find it most interesting of all that you're able to get 13% efficiency without doing anything to the front areo. Part of me wants to see how much fuel efficiency you could get just by only modding the rear.
@rocketman99
@rocketman99 2 года назад
Front dam is not needed under the hub I agree but mud flappers infront of the front wheel would help a long way
@KingCobbones
@KingCobbones 2 года назад
Unfortunately, "making the rear swoop level with the cars body" will create ground-scraping issues. I have seen the problem many times as motorhomes or trailers with a lot of structure behind the rear wheels negotiate the transition from a business to the roadway :(
@isaiahc8390
@isaiahc8390 2 года назад
Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20 Revelation 6 1st Seal: White horse = Roman Empire conquering nations under Trajan 98-117 AD & Gospel spreading rapidly. 2nd Seal: Red horse, bloody civil wars with 32 different Emperors, most killed by the sword. 185-284 AD 3rd Seal: Black horse, economic despair from high taxes to pay for wars, farmers stopped growing. 200-250 AD 4th Seal: Pale horse, 1/4th of Romans died from famine, pestilence; at one point 5,000 dying per day. 250-300 AD 5th Seal: Diocletian persecuted Smyrna church era saints for ten years, blood crying out for vengeance. 303-312 AD 6th Seal: Political upheaval in the declining Roman Empire while the leaders battled each other. 313-395 AD Revelation 7 Sealing of 144,000, the saints, before trumpet war judgments, which led to the fall of the Roman Empire. Revelation 8 1st Trumpet: Alaric and the Goths attacked from the north, the path of hail, and set it on fire. 400-410 AD 2nd Trumpet: Genseric and the Vandals attacked the seas and coastlands, the blood of sailors in water. 425-470 AD 3rd Trumpet: Attila and the Huns scourged the Danube, Rhine & Po rivers area, dead bodies made water bitter. 451 AD 4th Trumpet: Odoacer and the Heruli caused the last Western Emperor (sun), Senate (moon) to lose power. 476 AD With the Western Roman Emperor (restrainer of 2 Thes. 2) removed; the son of perdition Popes took power. Revelation 9 Two woe judgments against the central 1/3rd and eastern 1/3rd of the Roman Empire. 612-1453 AD 5th Trumpet: Locust & scorpions point to Arabia, the rise of the Muslim army. Islam hides Gospel from Arabs. 612-762 AD 6th Trumpet: Turks released to attack Constantinople with large cannons (fire, smoke, brimstone). 1062-1453 AD Revelation 10 The little book is the printed Bible, which was needed after the Dark Ages when Scriptures were banned by Popes. Revelation 11 7th Trumpet: Martin Luther measured Roman Church; found that it’s an apostate church, not part of true temple. The two witnesses are the Scriptures and saints who proclaim the pure Gospel and testify against the antichrist Popes. Papal Church pronounced Christendom dead in 1514 AD. Silence for 3.5 years. Then Luther posted his 95 Thesis, which sparked the Protestant Reformation and brought the witnesses back to life. Millions of Catholics were saved. Revelation 12 Satan used the Roman Empire to try to wipe out the early Church, Satan was cast down as the Empire collapsed. Revelation 13 The antichrist beast Popes reigned in power 1,260 years, 538-1798, is the little horn of Daniel 7, son of perdition. The false prophet Jesuit Superior General rose to power from land (earth) of Vatican and has created many deceptions. Revelation 14 Points to great harvest during the Protestant Reformation & wrath on Catholic countries who obey antichrist Pope. Revelation 15 Overcoming saints victorious over the beast. Prelude to 7 vials and judgment on those who support Papal Rome. Revelation 16 1st Vial: The foul sore of atheism was poured out on Catholic France, leaving them with no hope, led to revolution. 2nd Vial: The French Revolution started in 1793, killed 250,000, as France had obeyed the Pope and killed saints. 3rd Vial: The French Revolution spread to rural areas of France, where Protestants had been killed in river areas. 4th Vial: The bloody Napoleonic wars shed the blood of countries who had revered and obeyed the antichrist Pope. 5th Vial: Judgment on the seat of the beast. Papal States invaded in 1798, Pope imprisoned, removed from power. 6th Vial: The Turks vast domain dried up, they were only left with Turkey. They lost control of Palestine in 1917 AD, Israel became a nation again in 1948
@SH1974
@SH1974 Год назад
I had a Subaru Legacy (2.0 flat-4, gasoline) once, that was nice to drive, but consumed around 10-12l per 100km (19-23 mpg). Now I have a Toyota RAV-4 (2.0 line-4, turbodiesel) which is certainly worse in aerodynamics (way taller) and it's also heavier, but consumes just about 5.8l per 100km (equals 47mpg). Adding a long tail to that car would maybe spare a bit, but according to the car's size that tail would be probably longer than the car itself, haha.
@joeshmoe6930
@joeshmoe6930 2 года назад
"I'm not sure why more car manufacturers aren't going this route." One word: Money. Take from that, what you will.
@fijapopovic5335
@fijapopovic5335 2 года назад
There are a lot of cars that have an aerodynamic shape made for hypermiling however not a lot of them were sold (because everyone use a car for different reasons or they were just concept cars). Here are a few : Audi A2 TDI 3L VW XL1 Honda Insight Tatra 97 BMW i8
@nicolainielsen7700
@nicolainielsen7700 2 года назад
McLaren Speedtail?
@fijapopovic5335
@fijapopovic5335 2 года назад
@@nicolainielsen7700 The Speedtail is made for speed not for hypermiling but it sure have an aerodynamic shape
@stuartfreeman5999
@stuartfreeman5999 2 года назад
When the tail is lowered in an attempt to attain lower drag, the increased angle of drop away on the top surface will cause separation and drag again. Drag is harder to shake than you think. You could increase tail length for smoother drop away but then you are upholding form drag at the cost of surface drag from increased surface, and back to square one. There is a reason the tails of cars have an abrupt tail, to induce a rolling vortex and peel the flow off as rapidly as possible to minimize surface drag. I also dont think your tail has as much benefit as you witnessed when you measured. Air speed has a huge impact on the tail drag and separation , esspecially on tapered tails. VW beetles have much worse aerodynamics and economics than you would imagine especially at higher airspeeds. Cars are not airplanes, the road is the big difference and deal breaker. Of interest the front 3/4 of all modern cars are easily computer modelled and designed, but despite all the computer power, tail predicition is highly innacurate. The tail is still to this day, fine tuned by a master of the art with clay slapped arount the car in a full size wind tunnel while watching the drag readings.
@rp9674
@rp9674 2 года назад
Aptera might have the ideal body shape, but totally unadaptable to existing bodies.
@isaiahc8390
@isaiahc8390 2 года назад
Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20 Revelation 6 1st Seal: White horse = Roman Empire conquering nations under Trajan 98-117 AD & Gospel spreading rapidly. 2nd Seal: Red horse, bloody civil wars with 32 different Emperors, most killed by the sword. 185-284 AD 3rd Seal: Black horse, economic despair from high taxes to pay for wars, farmers stopped growing. 200-250 AD 4th Seal: Pale horse, 1/4th of Romans died from famine, pestilence; at one point 5,000 dying per day. 250-300 AD 5th Seal: Diocletian persecuted Smyrna church era saints for ten years, blood crying out for vengeance. 303-312 AD 6th Seal: Political upheaval in the declining Roman Empire while the leaders battled each other. 313-395 AD Revelation 7 Sealing of 144,000, the saints, before trumpet war judgments, which led to the fall of the Roman Empire. Revelation 8 1st Trumpet: Alaric and the Goths attacked from the north, the path of hail, and set it on fire. 400-410 AD 2nd Trumpet: Genseric and the Vandals attacked the seas and coastlands, the blood of sailors in water. 425-470 AD 3rd Trumpet: Attila and the Huns scourged the Danube, Rhine & Po rivers area, dead bodies made water bitter. 451 AD 4th Trumpet: Odoacer and the Heruli caused the last Western Emperor (sun), Senate (moon) to lose power. 476 AD With the Western Roman Emperor (restrainer of 2 Thes. 2) removed; the son of perdition Popes took power. Revelation 9 Two woe judgments against the central 1/3rd and eastern 1/3rd of the Roman Empire. 612-1453 AD 5th Trumpet: Locust & scorpions point to Arabia, the rise of the Muslim army. Islam hides Gospel from Arabs. 612-762 AD 6th Trumpet: Turks released to attack Constantinople with large cannons (fire, smoke, brimstone). 1062-1453 AD Revelation 10 The little book is the printed Bible, which was needed after the Dark Ages when Scriptures were banned by Popes. Revelation 11 7th Trumpet: Martin Luther measured Roman Church; found that it’s an apostate church, not part of true temple. The two witnesses are the Scriptures and saints who proclaim the pure Gospel and testify against the antichrist Popes. Papal Church pronounced Christendom dead in 1514 AD. Silence for 3.5 years. Then Luther posted his 95 Thesis, which sparked the Protestant Reformation and brought the witnesses back to life. Millions of Catholics were saved. Revelation 12 Satan used the Roman Empire to try to wipe out the early Church, Satan was cast down as the Empire collapsed. Revelation 13 The antichrist beast Popes reigned in power 1,260 years, 538-1798, is the little horn of Daniel 7, son of perdition. The false prophet Jesuit Superior General rose to power from land (earth) of Vatican and has created many deceptions. Revelation 14 Points to great harvest during the Protestant Reformation & wrath on Catholic countries who obey antichrist Pope. Revelation 15 Overcoming saints victorious over the beast. Prelude to 7 vials and judgment on those who support Papal Rome. Revelation 16 1st Vial: The foul sore of atheism was poured out on Catholic France, leaving them with no hope, led to revolution. 2nd Vial: The French Revolution started in 1793, killed 250,000, as France had obeyed the Pope and killed saints. 3rd Vial: The French Revolution spread to rural areas of France, where Protestants had been killed in river areas. 4th Vial: The bloody Napoleonic wars shed the blood of countries who had revered and obeyed the antichrist Pope. 5th Vial: Judgment on the seat of the beast. Papal States invaded in 1798, Pope imprisoned, removed from power. 6th Vial: The Turks vast domain dried up, they were only left with Turkey. They lost control of Palestine in 1917 AD, Israel became a nation again in 1948
@mindlessmrawesome
@mindlessmrawesome 2 года назад
You should check out Aptera, they're a startup EV manufacturer that's been trying to make an affordable EV, and one of the major methods that they're focusing on is making their car extremely aerodynamic. Their car looks like a dang spaceship
@diyEVguy
@diyEVguy 2 года назад
Yeah I want one too!
@ErikSeastead
@ErikSeastead 2 года назад
Aptera is awesome but the big range solar panel model id really want is 50k at least. And after all that it's only a 2 seater with no storage. In the meantime there are always used 99 insights!
@rp9674
@rp9674 2 года назад
It makes everything else look like a brick
@randomchannel323
@randomchannel323 2 года назад
Yeah it looks like a wingless plane
@ucheucheuche
@ucheucheuche 2 года назад
To resolve the drag issue I would've stuck the red tufts down flat. This would physicscally elliminate drag.
@Whelchey
@Whelchey 2 года назад
This sparked my mad engineer brain but wouldn't it be neat if cars were designed with active aerodynamic fins and skirts that can be retracted or removed with simple tools. Reminds me of the Honda Insights rear wheel fender extensions. A lot of new generation fight jets and high performance race cars like the Mercedes AMG ONE have active and adaptive aerodynamic panels. I think there could be a massive market of people who would by add ons for their vehicles if it meant 20-30% more efficiency in times like this.
@hovhanneshovakimyan
@hovhanneshovakimyan 2 года назад
I would connect an LED to the taillights and insert a translucent diffuser into the rear open so that the LED illuminates it evenly, turning it into a new taillight. In this case, you don't have to worry about your original taillights. As a result, improved aerodynamics will give you a better MPG.
@RetrowaveUniverse
@RetrowaveUniverse 2 года назад
Nice video. Thanks for posting. Gas prices so high I started biking, otherwise no money left, at the end of month for food.
@grim-upnorth
@grim-upnorth 2 года назад
me too, I bought a bicycle for 300, saved 40 a week in diesel for 4 weeks so far, that's 160. another 4 weeks of cycling to work and I've paid for the bike. After that, it's all pure savings
@TheManfet
@TheManfet 2 года назад
If you start modifying the air flow at the front end, do not forget about the airflow through the radiator. I would guess they lead that air flow to the bottom of the car too.
@counterfit5
@counterfit5 2 года назад
I got to witness an Isuzu Trooper overheat because they were pulling a trailer in a slow parade, and had covered nearly the entire grille with a poster. In August.
@largesizejellyfish3014
@largesizejellyfish3014 2 года назад
In northern states during winter you could easily get away with covering 90 percent of the radiators. Some modern cars come with shutters in the grill that can close to improve aero.
@sasas845
@sasas845 2 года назад
Yes, closing the radiator holes with a clean surface will help with drag. But as the other commenters mentioned, you should watch out that cooling stays sufficient (this is why stock cars with front grill shutters have a mechanism to close & open them automatically dependend on cooling demands)
@rp9674
@rp9674 2 года назад
Active radiator shutters, if it doesn't already have them
@stevejones1318
@stevejones1318 Год назад
Great video. Most people could save at least 13% on their fuel bill if they were lighter on the gas pedal, use engine braking, check tyre pressures, cruise at 60mph rather than 70mph, fit new air filter and spark plugs ...etc.
@iNDY1001
@iNDY1001 2 года назад
Fascinating, I went with under-body flattening and smoothing, and adding bits of foam to attempt to create better flow attachment. fuel savings were negligible. Handling and overall sense of stability improved however, my car felt so much nicer to cruise in road noise minamised, just glides along taking curves with a sense of stickiness and stability with the road. Alot of the fidgetiness went away. Now the in the rain the water stays attached to the windscreen and windows and trails off in surreal ways. Adding quick foam vortex generators at the bottom of the front door caused the sticky water to trail downwards. I speculated the capless filling system might not be sealing properly, so I've fashioned a cover and am in the process of seeing if it makes a meaningful difference.
@jazzy1871
@jazzy1871 2 года назад
You could tape some clear sheet plastic (thick enough it would bend but not wobble over the lights and back pyramid shape for the license plate to profile into the Styrofoam, and some back finder skirts without too much work and maybe pick up a few more %. 13.7 % is pretty legit though. If someone had 50 mile commute, payout would be pretty quick!
@Broockle
@Broockle 2 года назад
i was thinking about where his license plate is even visible to the public Is it really only thru that window in the back? I'd think that's not street legal, u can only see the plate when u'r directly behind his car.
@asparagusstaging430
@asparagusstaging430 2 года назад
@@Broockle It definitely isn't. In many states, even a "frame" on the license plate is illegal if it arguably makes it hard to read.
@Eduardo_Espinoza
@Eduardo_Espinoza 2 года назад
These are my top favorite mods for real improvements, & I actually love how it looks!
@olsonspeed
@olsonspeed 2 года назад
This reminds me of the fuel hikes and shortages of the 1970s, experimenters attempted to increase their vehicles efficiency with aero improvement and questionable engine mods. Craig Vetter is a pioneer in improving vehicle aerodynamics, his motorcycle fairings were very popular, he also Sponsored the Craig Vetter Fuel Efficiency Competition.
@goclunker
@goclunker 2 года назад
You know… a belly pan to cover the entire underside, and a huge front air dam that almost drags on the ground. You’re welcome. Your car will still look normal and net similar gains. Oh and tires. Undersize to 185s.
@diconicabastion5790
@diconicabastion5790 Год назад
Most state and federal code require the tail lights to be mounted a the rear of the car or close to it.. There is a second part anything exceeding some distance beyond your bumper has to have a flag or light attached also. Beyond another distance it simply becomes illegal. That is most states. You'll need to check your state laws each are different.
@adamhale6672
@adamhale6672 2 года назад
This is hilarious and genius simultaneously. I bid you great gas mileage.
@BluefootOnEire
@BluefootOnEire 2 года назад
9:19 Careful reshaping the foam boards, drag in only one of four forces at work here. You may inadvertently design in lift.
@rocketman99
@rocketman99 2 года назад
Not quite it would rather seperate then generate any proper lift
@winterwatson6811
@winterwatson6811 2 года назад
i wouldn’t worry: lift is engineered into many modern cars to reduce rolling resistance at speed. even if he accidentally built an airfoil with enough lift to flip the car, the foam and joints would likely not be strong enough to support the force. i imagine that the tail section would be destroyed well before the car was at risk of a crash.
@roywhiteo5
@roywhiteo5 2 года назад
lol its not like hes going to the salt flats
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 2 года назад
@@rocketman99 Hatchbacks are particularly bad in that regard. That’s why they have spoilers on the top of the boot lid to separate the airflow from the car. Drag from the underside of the car is often the biggest unaddressed source of drag on modern cars however…
@asdrubalegirolamo660
@asdrubalegirolamo660 2 года назад
Making the car lighter would also decrease the amount of fuel you engine has to use . You could also add spats on the rear wheels, tape the panel gaps in the front of the car, use clear plastic sheet to transition the tail lights. You can also look at the VW XL1.
@flazerrazer2992
@flazerrazer2992 2 года назад
how do you expect him to make the car lighter weight
@poplaurentiu4148
@poplaurentiu4148 2 года назад
@@flazerrazer2992 well i know few tricks but like true facts that some lighter composite carbon body parts can replace the factory ones right (like hood, trunk-door, doors, front fenders)? also carbon structural seats can shave even more weight compared to factory stock OEM.. if long trips are not mandatory daily the spare wheel can be removed shaving some more weight...
@sanjuyon_
@sanjuyon_ 2 года назад
@@flazerrazer2992 Remove the spare wheel, door inserts, rear seats, carpeting, anything in the trunk, etc.
@ronaldjesse9892
@ronaldjesse9892 2 года назад
@@poplaurentiu4148 you need a huge amount of miles to cover the huge price what you have to pay for these carbon parts.
@franticsledder
@franticsledder 2 года назад
OR you could drive slower, and be safer on the roads. I cut 25% of my fuel usage on my old rav, by limiting my top speed to 70kmh
@redline1916
@redline1916 Год назад
If only people realized if they had just followed Syd Mead's designs we'd have a lot more miles per gallon.. Like imagine a practical car designed with streamlined designs like that, with certain modern features. The reason car manufacturers don't go this route is because they just want you to spend more, whether that be on gas, electricity or their own parts.
@michaelseitz8938
@michaelseitz8938 2 года назад
Thanks for doing this! Now, us other nerds don't have to 😁
@jackthatmonkey8994
@jackthatmonkey8994 2 года назад
In the Netherlands they did an extreme fuel mileage build. They got 1L per 32km on a small hatchback, which is 70 MPG+ They did strip it out for lightness, lowered it, did the tail thing and deleted two of the 4 pistons
@GoldenCroc
@GoldenCroc 2 года назад
Which a 20 year old, combustion engine only, VW lupo 3l and Audi A2 (3l) can do from the factory, 100% stock. So I dont know if I would call it extreme... Extreme from what they started from perhaps, but not as a mileage number.
@GoldenCroc
@GoldenCroc 2 года назад
@Random I dont, thats why I used the Eu-mix fuel economy rating numbers. Seems unlikely their test route is much more demanding, but who knows. OP didnt state or link it, as you asked.
@Darrylx444
@Darrylx444 2 года назад
Some strategically placed vortex generators, perhaps? Edit: I see you did already.
@Darrylx444
@Darrylx444 2 года назад
Maybe some big VGs underneath would help?
@Nightelfmusic
@Nightelfmusic 2 года назад
Restricting so much air flow under the car I wonder about how certain components will overheat. Transmission. Dif. Wheel barings axels ect
@tinyhotopicbitch
@tinyhotopicbitch 2 года назад
A big problem i can see here is starting with an AWD car for this experiment, they typically get lower gas mileage since the engine powers all 4 wheels as opposed to a front wheel drive car that only powers two
@Mohas191
@Mohas191 2 года назад
bruh that's something that you opt in or opt out with 1 button for most cars. You usually don't use AWD unless it's snowy or something
@P6fitz
@P6fitz 2 года назад
@@Mohas191 that's in most cars in trucks labeled 4WD. Most AWD cars you don't have the choice, and it's turning 4 wheels all the time
@tinyhotopicbitch
@tinyhotopicbitch 2 года назад
@@Mohas191 Pretty much every AWD car is full time AWD no choice, especially Subarus
@ryanbromley3641
@ryanbromley3641 2 года назад
Ik on Infiniti’s the awd decouples about 20mph and only reengages if it detects slip
@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20
@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20 2 года назад
Why is this a problem? Why AWD cars wouldn't benefit of aerodynamics improvements just like 2WD cars? Yeah, the gain may be relatively slightly less but in the other hand, a lot of people drive AWD cars. The same could be said of many other things in a car. Big problem starting with a gasoline car, diesel cars usually get way better mileage / efficiency. Big problem starting with car of that size, that body model, etc. countless other factors.
@ChannelSlekke
@ChannelSlekke 2 года назад
if you convert gallons to liters and dollars to euro... we pay 1.888€ for 1ltr diesel 1 gallon is 3.785ltr 1 euro is 0.98usd so if i calculate that we would pay 7.00€/gallon wich is about the same we used to pay more than 2€/l for diesel for almost a year so 7.011usd/gallon is not that bad compared to belgium
@William_ar98
@William_ar98 2 года назад
I LOVE THIS!!! Please go all out on this project! Its super interesting and also very educational
@stalbertjocelyn
@stalbertjocelyn 2 года назад
Have you looked into low friction tires or increasing tire pressure on the ones you have. You could use corrugated plastic to seal the underside of the vehicle.
@minineji7050
@minineji7050 2 года назад
Tbh low friction tires are awful, would never recommend them, grip(friction) saves lives, I'd rather save some grip than save some pocket change. Plastic on the underside of vehicle is very effective tho
@srck4035
@srck4035 2 года назад
Increased pressure and low friction tires are both dangerous. Tires have grip for a reason
@somaday2595
@somaday2595 2 года назад
Yes, the under body creates a lot of friction, but do not forget about dissipating the exhaust heat. Replacing the outside rear view mirrors with small outside cameras and inside displays,
@srck4035
@srck4035 2 года назад
@@somaday2595 also if you cover the bottom you run the risk of flying off. For real.
@xcalium9346
@xcalium9346 2 года назад
@@somaday2595 Cause that's totally legal in the US...
@jaxxxn_
@jaxxxn_ 2 года назад
I would love to see you implement these changes and test it, also the wheel covers are good but they need airflow like an aerodisk type wheel because without it your brakes could get too hot while driving
@drippingwax
@drippingwax 2 года назад
Downshift.
@jaxxxn_
@jaxxxn_ 2 года назад
@@drippingwax ?
@1Captain23
@1Captain23 2 года назад
@@jaxxxn_ Downshift.
@isaiahc8390
@isaiahc8390 2 года назад
This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20. Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God. Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!
@Pyromancers
@Pyromancers 2 года назад
Just copy everything you can off of the Aptera. They have been at this a long time and have overcome all the counterintuitive drag issues. Their shape has the drag of the mirrors on a big truck. Like really, not exagerating. Maybe 3d print some clear light covers and do a really good job of merging them onto the foam with as little seam as possible? Adding dimples like the mythbusters? at least on the foam section (even on the just the foam section could give you maybe 1-5% gain in efficiency as the whole car on Mythbusters gained 11%)?
@og9806
@og9806 Год назад
Just get a Chevy Bolt EV or EUV. Or get a Soul EV. Both are relatively cheap, yet they have around 400 km of range
@sdfghjkl6519
@sdfghjkl6519 2 года назад
Awesome experiment! It's funny how your design for changes are strikingly similar to concept cars manufacturers put out as well as how some race cars are designed (particularly for f1 and endurance racing). I think your biggest answer as to why manufacturers don't do this is that they don't sell. Especially considering the current climate of the car market being SUVs and trucks, these designs simply don't work as they are much higher off the ground. This would lead to the dirty air you were referring to in your video.
@drippingwax
@drippingwax 2 года назад
You can make trucks and SUVs more aerodynamic, too, and a 13.7% improvement would save more fuel, but a boat tail on a Suburban or minivan would be too long.
@Roshiyu
@Roshiyu 2 года назад
May I suggest taking a look at the Aptera? That seems to be your dream car, taking into account aerodynamics. :D
@fxarts9755
@fxarts9755 2 года назад
would like to see a experiment like this on like a already super efficient and super unefficiant car . like how much would it improve a tesla model s and maybe something like an f150 in comparison
@marcitecture
@marcitecture 2 года назад
Yes, I was thinking I need to try this out on my 4Runner. Would be an interesting experiment.
@GoldenCroc
@GoldenCroc 2 года назад
Model S can only support minimal improvements unless you want to reshape the entire body. Its just too good already.
@coffeemugs947
@coffeemugs947 2 года назад
I have been wanting to try this bizarre idea for such a long time! Props to you for do it as making efforts to minimize random error in your experiment!
@jeffw8218
@jeffw8218 2 года назад
I hate this dumb content. Of course we can increase fuel economy, the reason we don’t do it is because it looks ridiculous and people don’t buy cars like that to save a few bucks.
@TheStuartstardust
@TheStuartstardust 2 года назад
8:16 - but there is something to be done - thin acrylic sheet or polycarbonate over the recess 🤓🤞 But really nice work! 🤯😎
@alexli1994
@alexli1994 2 года назад
The outcome on the modifications you did to your car remind me of the Mercedes Vision EQXX and the McLaren Longtail. The EQXX is really neat because it's using the same principles you're using for the same purpose. And, granted, the McLaren is using the same principles for a different purpose, but nonetheless, super interesting and very fascinating results.
@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo
@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo 2 года назад
Look up Porsche 935/78, either in momo or martini racing livery.........
@Rearmostbean
@Rearmostbean 2 года назад
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo the whale tail!
@car_ventures
@car_ventures 2 года назад
Use c!ear perspex on rear lights to keep aero shape and visibility. Add the front air damn and side sections as you suggested too, hope to see how it changes. Belly pan or air damn, essentially anything that cleans up air underneath, makes a noticeable difference.
@86surge90
@86surge90 2 года назад
With all of that downward flow on the tail, i'm betting he's introduced more lift. And that new design makes his car look like an air foil from the side. If he tries driving any faster i think the air will rip that tail upwards.
@PseudoNo
@PseudoNo 2 года назад
While wing shape is good for drag reduction, it brings a lot of lift on rear axle. And that is very dangerous. See for Audi TT story.
@JMak02
@JMak02 2 года назад
You could also tape the body panel gaps especially in front for a little less drag. Also with tape make the front as smooth as possible without going overboard and overheating the engine helps. I think all this as well as any weight reduction you can manage in addition to your mentioned improvements would make a huge difference.
@spaceT999
@spaceT999 2 года назад
taping body panel gaps while it sounds good in theory, air doesn't go in or out from it, this is because the air that's close to the panel is moving pretty slow, and doesn't have enough energy to go through it, and it would be easier to just go around it, rather than in it.
@AZ-vg6li
@AZ-vg6li 2 года назад
Having worked directly on production vehicle development on wind tunnel and aero efficiency in general,I would suggest a better research.There are some basic mistakes that render your added shape non efficient(too much closure in plan for example).Also remember that brakes need to be cooled…otherwise…I hope you understand that there are some basic safety issues not addressed,besides the structural,like tail light visibility angle.
@drippingwax
@drippingwax 2 года назад
Too much closure in plan? Too much taper? Yes, there is detached flow. Brakes need to be cooled far less when people plan stops and downshift.
@snitox
@snitox 2 года назад
I would also suggest putting those vortex generating fin attachment to the side to reduce turbulence. Also take note of the wind direction, is easily available on weather apps.
@NekoBoyOfficial
@NekoBoyOfficial 2 года назад
I remember some Honda cars have skirts on the back wheels. That should improve efficiency.
@4lexGrey
@4lexGrey 2 года назад
There's a new ev company called aptera that is going to make an aerodynamic 3 wheel car. It has a very unique shape to put it lightly
@xxmagnonxx1
@xxmagnonxx1 2 года назад
Another thing I thought of that could help is covering the tail lights with acrylic or polycarbonate in the shape of the foam added. Keeping them visible while not losing that sweet aero
@agoogleuser2369
@agoogleuser2369 2 года назад
I have a 16 Crosstrek Premium with the CVT transmission and I can do on average 620 to 650 miles with a tank of gasoline (ethanol free gasoline that is). I drive my car very, very conservatively and use cruise control as soon as it's available at 30 mph. Highway speeds 55 mph on the right lane as well. When it comes to fuel efficiency, it's paramount to keep the car going at a constant speed, coasting before a red light, versus racing the car like a maniac only to stop at the red light. I wish more people would understand this concept. Driving my car this way means I barely have to use my brakes. I too, wish the car came with plastic or aluminum panels underneath the entire vehicle to make it more aerodynamic as you've mentioned in the video.
@djtjpain
@djtjpain 2 года назад
Driving a car in that manner is a lot better for traffic too imo (in terms of preventing huge backups and traffic jams) I wish more people drove like that as well.
@tuckerhiggins4336
@tuckerhiggins4336 2 года назад
I'm gonna assume you mean 55 on a state highway and not the interstate
@agoogleuser2369
@agoogleuser2369 2 года назад
@@tuckerhiggins4336 you've assumed wrong. 55 mph always. Not in a hurry and not blocking other drivers. If you like to go fast please turn on your blinkers and overtake me in the left lane. Buh-bye!
@keefgtp
@keefgtp 2 года назад
Good job identifying the changes necessary. My suggestions: Don't bother with the air dam and side skirts yet. That's a really NASCAR-style backyard bandaid to the actual problem which is not having a smooth underbody. The more direct solutions would be a little more complex but would also work better. First, to address the separation along the sides of the car, you should place VGs in front of the rear wheel, not behind it. You were trying to energize airflow which was already turbulent and that's not going to work. VGs in front of the tail lights are also a good idea. The smooth wheel covers were a good idea and probably a bigger improvement than you were able to quantify, but wheel pants over the rear wheel opening would work much better and would be a more direction solution to that problem. As for the underbody separation, you could afford to steepen the roofline and shallow out the underbody extension which on its own would be an improvement. But the biggest thing is this: You need to smooth the airflow under car before it even gets to your extension. Create a smooth underbody panel for your car. From the factory, your rear muffler is attempting to do that, helping to stabilize the airflow off the rear end slightly, but running a flat panel forward of that, at least halfway to the front of the car, would be a huge improvement. Combine that with some VGs in the center, ahead of the muffler, and you should see improvements in the tufts. Also, once you adjust the shape of the extension you could afford to chop like 2-3 feet off its length for practicality purposes, although it wouldn't look as cool. The stunted teardrop shape of cars like the Prius and Tesla Model 3, et al, is called a Kammback and it's basically the only shape that allows a car to be both low drag and practical for road use. Maybe you already knew that, I don't know, but obviously hatchback access and parking lot maneuverability are not huge concerns for airplanes lol. Also, thanks for the inspiration and detailing your construction methods. I've been wanting to try this with my Toyota Sequoia for a while now but haven't had any idea what materials would work. I estimate immediate 20% improvements on a giant SUV!
@richard153
@richard153 2 года назад
you can try clear acrylic shaped like the tail to help eliminate the turbuklence behind the tail lights, just like the headlight covers of an old ferrari.
@KVergot
@KVergot Год назад
What about back bumper and safety for the other car in a rear collision? I don’t think your modifications are street legal.
@k.b.tidwell
@k.b.tidwell Год назад
Oh, but it's nice and cushy foam. B-O-I-I-I-N-G!
@KVergot
@KVergot Год назад
@@k.b.tidwell There are safety laws about cars having to have bumpers and about objects that protrude out from the back, such as when pickup trucks are used to transport things like lumber that stick out, etc. This is why I question if your modifications are street legal. Have you looked into that? if not, you might get fined or impounded. Just saying…
@walternewsome8573
@walternewsome8573 2 года назад
Good video, short, informative, right to the point, great methodology, and good results. I'm subscribing!
@Alan_Hans__
@Alan_Hans__ 2 года назад
Very nice. I think for the ultimate in aerodynamic improvement you would be better off traveling in reverse as the shape looks much better suited for rearward travel.
@benonland
@benonland 2 года назад
Solar-powered-race-car engineer here. I absolutely love the idea of the video. Cars can be SO much more aerodynamic (our solar car's drag is almost equal to that of one single side mirror) . Most cars now have so much separation, and especially American cars are super fuel inefficient (man, I couldn't even find a car that drove better than 30mpg, whilst being used to 80mpg back in the EU). The explanations in the video were very clear and the red ropes indicating the airflow were a great visualisation. Love the idea of the vortex generators, might have helped keeping the turbulent flow attached for a longer while. The reason solar cars are so high off the ground is to prevent it from creating a venturi tunnel, causing down force. So funnily enough, raising your car (and smoothing out the bottom) would also have a huge effect. I'm curious for the future!
@PURENT
@PURENT 2 года назад
Most cars Americans buy are just naturally inefficient because they're big displacement engines meant for power. Hard to make a 5 liter v8 diesel pickup truck tuned for 400 hp & 400 lb/ft any more efficient. And Americans buy these hand over fist, top 3 selling vehicles in America are all pickup trucks. The rest are SUV's and a handful of 4 door sedans. You can get like 40 mpg in something like an Altima or Corolla which is still less than a Euro hatch, but Americans just don't like small cars for whatever reason. Numerous hatchback models in 2020 were discontinued specifically in America.
@misutatomasu
@misutatomasu 2 года назад
Or you know, you could simply run it on a natural gas. transforming it would cost less than $500.
@Tech-Navi
@Tech-Navi 2 года назад
I think by covering the entire underside of the car and making it flat will improve the efficiency by a lot. looking forward to the next video
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