Using the Z Platform with the Move Shoot Move Rotator

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Aligning the Move Shoot Move with the Alyn Wallace / MSM Z Platform in two different configurations.
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Using a Wedge with the Move Shoot Move Rotator - • Using a Wedge with the...
Using a Monopod Tilt Head with the Move Shoot Move Rotator - • Using a Monopod Tilt H...
Using a Pan & Tilt Head with the MSM Rotator - • Using a Ball Head with...
Using a Ball Head with the MSM Rotator - • Using a Ball Head with...
Using the Z Platform with the Move Shoot Move Rotator - • Using the Z Platform w...
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@AlynWallace 3 года назад

Great demo Glen! Thanks a lot. We're working on adding degree markings to the platforms for use with polar alignment. Need to see how demand goes but a larger one for specific use as a polar alignment mount could definitely be on the cards 🙂

@akkarparkiamopas3401 3 года назад

As I am living in Southern Hemisphere, I think geared head or wedge could be a better option for polar align mount as we can do "fine tune" on the angle degree. IMO this Z platform is ideal for attaching on the top of MSM rotator as your video shown alyn. Thanks

@AlynWallace 3 года назад

@@akkarparkiamopas3401 yes were quite lucky here in the Northern Hemisphere! I'm really enjoying how everyone is having different uses for them though 😁

@carlreid4161 3 года назад

@@AlynWallace I have the wedge already Alyn, would I use the Z so I can angle my camera better on top of the MSM?

@johnglavey808 3 года назад

If i was Alyn's father this is the kind of tutorial i would make . Well done to both of you.

@nukert658 2 года назад

I have just gotten my first camera and lens (fuji x-t30ii and xc 50-230mm) and I want to do AP especially nebulae. However I have a tighter budget right now so the MSM has caught my eye, is this a sufficient platform for nebulae with my setup?

@roro_ro 7 месяцев назад

Thank you Glen, very well explained.

@azza9304 Месяц назад

That was really well explained, i wish i had found your video before buying the wedge :)

@GlenTillyard Месяц назад

Thank you

@icogicog8287 3 года назад

Thank you. Very clever use of that mount. Definitely makes it easy to transport the whole thing more easily.

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Thanks. Pleased that you found the video useful

@edgarcorrea 2 года назад

Thanks for taking the time to do this video Glen. I had first mounted Z Mount on the short end of the MSM but decided to attach it to the underside of the unit instead because of how easy everything folds up and fits in the bag. 👍🏼

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

Pleased that you found the video useful Ed

@t-stopsphotography2674 3 года назад

This is an awesome idea! I was debating all sorts of ball heads but hated the idea of larger size they take up. Very great minimalist design thank you for the video!

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

My pleasure. Pleased that you found it helpful. Cheers Glen

@jonathanr2830 Год назад

Very relevant and helpful. Thank you very much!

@cwitt8280 3 года назад

Very helpful and thought provoking. Pls keep up the great work!

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Thank you

@kevinharding1181 Год назад

Well presented and informative vlog to greatly aid me in setting up my new MSM - thanks Glen !

@GlenTillyard Год назад

Thanks Kevin. Pleased that you found it helpful. Cheers Glen

@Jim_Mundy 6 месяцев назад

Really great video. Thank you!!!

@GlenTillyard 6 месяцев назад

Thank you

@catherineallen8779 3 года назад

Thanks Glen, very useful video.

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Thanks Catherine

@alisonfairley5444 3 года назад

thank you for this - great tutorial.

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

You're very welcome!

@stuartroyle1402 3 года назад

some very useful tips ,thank you,most helpful,,the paper instructions from msm need the vision of a kestrel!!

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

You are most welcome

@errydm 2 года назад

Thank you for the tutorial! Really helpful. Greetings from the southern hemisphere.

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

Thank you. I hope to get to see the Milky Way from the Southern Hemisphere one day.

@gervaischouinard9809 3 года назад

The V platform would fit better under the rotator. And I would use the Z platform on top of rotator to attach the camera allowing more freedom to move to any point of the sky

@echoauxgen 3 года назад

VERY VERY GOOD Demo of how to set up, the uses of the Z or V are endless...I bought 3 Z's, one for the bottom of MSM and one for the top and the 3rd to replace the head itself. But have a half ball leveler below the 3rd for a fast setup level to start, that is the key for doing a pano level - level. Now for doing multi level panos I use novoflex panorama vr-system slim on top of the second Z, this way you can do longer exposures, or stacking shots, or even use in camera NR. The reason for the Novoflex is if tilting up or down you get distortion because the nodal point changes and you get a bow look and software may not blend well, to get your final panorama sides straight not curved and have to crop. Also the nice thing is your tripod can be more stable being lower to the ground so you can be at eye level with the camera. If you Watch (closely) Mr. Wallace he uses a pano rig vs shooting on top of a ballhead. Waiting for clear skies at the new moon!

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Thank you Echo. I also use a pano nodal rig but haven't used it with the MSM as yet. This is on the list once the Milky Way makes an appearance.

@akkarparkiamopas3401 3 года назад

I totally agree with adding the latitude angle scale and the compass on that Z platform. Even in the MSM wedge, it should have had the angle scale for latitude , but it is not existing so we need to used the angle app instead. they should be built-in imo. Thanks for your useful video.

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Pleased you found it helpful

@stevechong65 Год назад

Happy New Year! Thank you so much Glen! I am looking for a solution for the "lightest & most portable tracking" system! Looks like this is a great way!

@GlenTillyard Год назад

Thank you Steve. It certainly works for me. Have you also seen my 22 uses for the Z platform video?

@stevechong65 Год назад

@@GlenTillyard oh yes! You are a genius!

@chasingluminance 3 года назад

Interesting, I like your take on this. The compas idea is great. Do you think you'll be using the z plate instead of the wedge of size isn't an issue?

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Thanks Alex. Means a lot coming from you. Re size if I’m in the garden I still prefer the micro adjustments of the wedge but I think that the Z Platform will become my new travel option. Previously, it was the Monopod Tilt head with a levelling base, though I started with just the tilt head. My least favourite was using two ball heads, which I think a lot of people use, as I just found this too wobbly. The 3 Way Head work well but I’m looking forward to seeing how the geared head performs compared to the wedge. Having kit you can use for more than one type of photography is very useful.

@2ShoesPhoto 3 года назад

You could use the V-bracket on the bottom like you're using the Z-bracket, then use the Z-bracket on top with the camera mounted to get a simple light weight and compact system for backpacking in to very remote locations.

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

I have actually done that Chris and it does work but I found it less flexible than using the ball head which was already on the tripod. I think if someone had a fixed tripod head this would be a good option.

@curlingdan 3 года назад

Nice video Glen, you might want to remove the camera strap so it doesn't catch or do something strange in the night.

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Thanks! I agree about the strap possibly catching but it slips through an attached Carabiner clip as a safety precaution. Over the years I have seen many a student’s camera fall to the ground.

@astrodysseus 3 года назад

2:16 yep I think that's where it's the most useful, as a lightweight replacement for a wedge, when precision is not too demanding.5:42 is quite original :) 8:28 I wonder if it's preferable to have the Z or the V mount as a wedge. We don't really need the full articulation for the wedge and while it can serve the purpose, the V mount is possibly simpler and as useful ? I admit I started to be found of the Z mount for helping level the camera and do nice mosaics.

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Thank you. I agree about the V Bracket being a little simpler and even more lightweight. I also tend to do a lot of panoramas though and I find the Z platform more useful on those occasions.

@paulzoch3279 2 года назад

I am not seeing a link for the leveling base above, if possible could you recommend one? Thank you for your excellent videos.

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

Pleased that you liked the video. This is a UK Amazon affiliate link but it should work for you. Cheers Glen amzn.to/2YOboHA

@beberoli 2 года назад

Very good video. I have mine already and came for to see if any chance you would talk about screw replacement. Indeed I turned slighty too much on that bottom plate screw and damaged it , now my Z plate is no longer usable so be very carefull not to tight it too much maybe I used it over 20 times but yeah .. the threads of the screws are very thin and will eventually break at some point..

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

Thank you. Contact Hannah at MSM support

@xpfloyd 3 года назад

Great video Glen, am I missing something though, would a V mount not allow you to do both of these setups in the video? It looked like your Z was locked in the V position? (I have the items in my basket and trying to confirm what one to go for)

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

I would go for the Z mount as I find it has many extra uses as a stand and even a panoramic head

@xpfloyd 3 года назад

@@GlenTillyard Thanks for the quick response Glen, just watching some of your other videos just now after stumbling into your channel. New subscriber!. With regards to using as an equitorial wedge and nothing else is the V better? (think I will order one of each)

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

@@xpfloyd I would as it saves postage. Thanks for using my links

@ibp2007 2 месяца назад

Glen question. Is using a compass in such close proximity to the metal tripod and z bracket a good thing?

@GlenTillyard 2 месяца назад

I agree that it does seem illogical but it does work with my android phone at least. It's really only to get you pointing in the right direction as I would then confirm alignment with the laser or polariscope.

@richardwhite1034 2 года назад

Maybe I'm missing it but is it possible or not to use the polar alignment laser with the second (flat) mounting option?

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

Absolutely. The only problem I could possibly see would be if you have a particularly large ball head

@johnking1223 3 года назад

Thank you Glen, can you tell me what tripod and ball head you use in the video please.

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Hi John. I've had this for about 20 years and couln't find a model number on it. It's a studio tripod which extends to about 2.2m which is really helpful if you have a camera without a flip screen.

@johnking1223 3 года назад

@@GlenTillyard Thanks Glen for your time and effort. Really appreciated and helpful.

@hemantsharma1967 3 года назад

I have got the MSM with wedge and even a phone mount. I am waiting for the Z mount which i ordered at the same time. I plan to mount the MSM on the wedge, removing my ball head from the Manfrotto befree as I have this and the peak design tripods only at the moment. Now, can i get away with using the Z mount as the base of camera? I will use the Nikon Z7ii with 14-30 F4 or XT3 with 16-55 F2.8. I tested with the later using the wedge and ball head and it was sturdy enough. Your thoughts? Any idea about using it with Peak design Tripods..

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Hi Hemant I’ve never used the Peak Design Tripods but they do get good reviews. I do mainly use Manfrotto tripods so you will be fine with that one. My preferred choice is to remove the existing ball and replace with the wedge below the MSM. I then put that ball head on the MSM. This method is so quick and easy to adjust and set up that it rarely takes me more than a minute to get a good alignment. I always start by just looking along the line of the ball head to rough align then fine-tune with the laser. If you are suggesting using the Z mount in place of a ball head then this is possible but certainly not as quick as a ball head. I did see someone on the group try this. If I’m travelling light then I do use the Z Mount in place of the Wedge as I can leave this attached to the MSM in its carry case. Hope that helps Cheers Glen

@hemantsharma1967 3 года назад

@@GlenTillyard Thanks Glen. I really appreciate the detailed and insightful reply. I have tried the same wedge and ball head combination as suggested by you and it works fine. I am yet to take any picture from the MSM though. Will update how it works. Best Regards

@C5films 3 года назад

Hey buddy. Thank you for your videos. I am awaiting delivery of my unit but I have bought BOTH the Z platform AND the wedge, on advice from MSM company. Looking at more videos and other users ideas, it seems as though I may be better off with just one or the other and a ballhead??

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

If you were getting just one then the Z would be your best option but I have to say that both are very useful. I'm just working on a video at the moment where I show them both being used in new ways. Enjoy. Cheers Glen

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

I’ve just uploaded a video about using Photopills with the phone mount to align during the day time so you can maximise your photography time as the nights get shorter. You can also use it to help with finding your DSO targets during the day to save even more time. I’ve even included several different methods to mount the phone holder with the V and Z brackets. Enjoy.

@C5films 3 года назад

@@GlenTillyard Many thanks Glen

@januszciechowskiphotograph7297 2 года назад

Nice I have question so when you are already polar aligned than you can shoot on whatever direction you want even opposite where Polaris is ? It may sound silly but I never shoot with tracker thank you

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

That's correct. Once aligned you can point the camera in any direction provided you don't change the direction of the MSM.

@ssbhide123 2 года назад

Great video!! How hard is it to fine tune polar alignment with Z bracket and polar scope (not the laser)? Polar alignment wedge will surely make life easier but it will also cost significant amount of more money than Z bracket.

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

Hi Saurabh. The brackets are not as precise as the Wedge but It's is still possible to align with them and I've done it several times. A little trick I use to fine-tune the alignment is to loosen a tripod leg very slightly and let the drop align the scope or laser.

@ssbhide123 2 года назад

@@GlenTillyard Thank you very much for the reply! I am also checking out the option of Z bracket+phone mount option for polar alignment. I will start with that as it is little bit cheaper. If turns out pain in butt , I will consider buying the wedge! Thanks again!

@eurocharger 4 месяца назад

You should do workshops…, sorry I just saw that you do. Pity you are so far south in the uk . Great tutorial though

@GlenTillyard 4 месяца назад

Thank you. I was meant to be running a 121 workshop this week but the weather had other ideas. Very frustrating doing astro in the UK.

@zygmuntziokowski7877 2 года назад

Good demo Glen! But what is best setup?

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

Hi. If you want my very favourite set-up it's the MSM Wedge with a quality ball head. For compactness, if I'm travelling light, then a V Bracket at the bottom and the Z on top. If I was only buying one bracket then personally I would go for the Z as it has so many other uses. I've used mine as a Right Angle Bracket, a Mic stand, A macro rail, a nodal rail and a panorama head.

@zygmuntziokowski7877 2 года назад

@@GlenTillyard Is it safe to assume the Z bracket on the botto? Thanks!

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

@@zygmuntziokowski7877 personally I would put the z on the top so that you could have a level platform for panoramas. You only need the V at the base for alignment.

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

This assumes that you are talking about the lightweight option. You would still be better off with a Ball head on the top for versatility

@charlesg6583 2 года назад

If I already have the wedge, can I just the Z platform to replace a ballhead for supporting and angling camera? Also, is there any benefit of keeping a ballhead or should I get rid of it and just use the Z platform for all photography?

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

Hi Charles. The Z mount can be used to replace the top ball head if you want a super compact travel option but personally I still prefer the flexibility of a good ball head with the wedge. I prefer a ball head for my normal photography so I just unscrew this and replace it with the wedge then put the same ballhead on top of the MSM. I sometimes then use the Z platform for more functionality like panoramas or for really high or low targets where I can't tilt the head enough. I continue to find new uses for the Z and v platforms.

@billmeador215 2 года назад

Great video, but I do not find the link in the description for the inclinometer that you reference in the presentation.

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

Hi Bill. Thanks. I've added that now. The inclinometer app was called Angle Meter by Smart Took Factory on the Android play store. I don't know if it is available for the iPhone. play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.stfactory.anglemeter&hl=en_GB&gl=US

@billmeador215 2 года назад

@@GlenTillyard Thanks, checked and do not find it on the App Store........did find one called Clinometer that looks very similar. Checking on a focus rail now so I can use my Nikon 18-300 as you did the Tamron 16-300.............learning a lot from your MSM videos!

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

@@billmeador215 Do you have a Z Platform as you could use that as a macro rail. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UBRj2jde7fg.html

@1973Antoniob 3 года назад

Thank you for the review. I received today two Z but with my surprise, the little level at the botton of the Z tuoch the levelling base so it's not possible to lock on it.

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Is it different to the one I have?

@1973Antoniob 3 года назад

@@GlenTillyard It's the same but with another name :-). But I've just discovered the the level have a inner spring to reposition it, so it's possible to reposition the little level. Sorry for the question but I've discoverd just now this function

@JohnGilbert49 3 года назад

Did you ever post a link to the phone app mentioned at the 8:54 minute mark that you used in this video?

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Photopills.com

@nguyenhoangvu9609 2 года назад

Have you tried the slik smh 250...that one seems really work too

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

I have not tried that but it looks interesting.

@theonlyitaliangirl 3 года назад

such a thorough explanation Glen. I have a dumb question though My MSM Z& V mounts have finally arrived. My question - can I use my Z mount like you are demonstrating with my tripod? I have the Manfrotto Befree GT XPRO Travel Tripod and my ballhead is attached. Would I mount that on my ballhead? Or do I need a new tripod? I know there are various ways to use these - but it's confusing for a novice like myself www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1484887-REG/manfrotto_mkbfra4gtxp_bus_befree_gt_xpro_aluminum.html

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

Hi Anna. I suggest that the less height and linkages you have above the legs then the better your results will be. When I originally got my I used the ball head then removed this in favour of the tilting head. I use the Z platform effectively as a tllt head between the legs and the MSM. As shown in the video you will need to level the tripod using the legs with this method. This all assumes that you can remove the ball heat from your tripod. If you extend the column you may see 2 or 3 locking screws under the ball head mount. Hope that helps. GT

@daveovington-brown4122 2 года назад

So do MSM have a U.K distributor or do they ship from the U.S?

@GlenTillyard 2 года назад

Hi Dave. Sorry for the delay but I wanted to double-check with support before answering. This is what they said. There is no current UK distributor but they would like one. They have an express delivery to the UK from China which takes about 7 days. This is about the same as the EU warehouse shipping. MSM shipping dept will prepay the taxes of the parcels to UK , so the recipients do not need to pay the taxes at all. Hope that helps. Cheers Glen

@daveovington-brown4122 2 года назад

@@GlenTillyard thanks buddy :)

@FrankCrispo 3 года назад

Won't the metal on the Z-bracket throw off your compass with the way you set it up?

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

I found that if you move it off to one side then test it will be attracted to the metal. If you lay it on top then it seems to balance itself out. I checked the direct well away from the bracket and marked the direction of a distant object then ensured the same point lined up while laying on the bracket. I still fine tune with the laser so this is an aid to getting pre setup before it gets dark.

@end_theinflu 8 месяцев назад

Hi, I read in several reviews that if you want to use a focal length above 50mm, don't buy it. I have a 75mm 1.2 lens for astrophotography. And my question is, won't it really handle a 75mm lens for Orion or the Milky Way? :) Thank you.

@GlenTillyard 8 месяцев назад

Hi. It's really more about the overall weight and the balance rather than the length of the lens. If you check out my other videos you will see I have successfully used a balanced 300mm lens. I imagine an f1.2 lens is fairly heavy

@end_theinflu 8 месяцев назад

@@GlenTillyardThanks for the answer. Weight is 670 gram 23 oz :)

@juriparn1296 3 года назад

Everybody seems to miss the possibility to pull out the locking levers and adjust their position.

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

I show them being pulled out at 18 minutes to use as a guide for the compass.

@IanStotesbury 3 года назад

where does the 52 degrees come from? your latitude where you are?

@GlenTillyard 3 года назад

We're in Leicestershire in the UK. You can use several apps to find your latitude including Stellarium or Clear Outside. You can use a protractor app or MSM may include a scale on later models as I suggested. Providing you levelled your tripod you could even cut out a triangle of card at your correct angle and use that provided that you didn't change location.