USPSA Limited Optics Setup - My full rig along with my Masterpiece Arms DS9 LOC 

100% agree

I’d compete with PDP SF as is in LO

Dimensionally speaking, the guns are identical… so grip size and trigger reach/distance are the same… you can also get different trigger shoe sizes regardless of which one you choose.

What you’re talking about was my old LO setup for USPSA. I just took my Aardvarks (before I ported them)… and stuck on a Nitrofin, Larger Magwell, and the Double Tap Shielded Safety (single sided though). It was a fun setup!

@TheGentlemanGunner so after making the mistake of playing with a Hayes Custom, the MPA just might become a back up gun. The Hayes was just too nice so I recommend checking one out when you have the chance!

@@jacrispy9603 I might have to do that!

It's for competition, definitely not carry ✌️

Buy two… that way you have one for the other hip to balance it out and it may not feel as heavy! 😂

“It’s the Indian, not the arrow” or something like that lol. Also… not a bad tool at all

@@TheGentlemanGunner I understand that... I try and try to get that through to people... I'm not going to lie I shoot a lot 2 or 3 times a week... But the competition atmosphere and the enjoyment I had... I'm HOOKED

I just purchased a Rival-S. How is it working out now?

@@bluyetiinc7553 it is currently with Canik for warranty work my serial number was in the first 50 and I have had mag over insertion failure to feed and my recoil spring was eating into the the thin front of the slide

I’d have to agree with that… both are great guns. Good luck and hopefully we run into each other in April!

@@TheGentlemanGunner Good luck to you too man.

When did you ordered yours? I'm thinking about ordering a Priest too. The only down side of the priest is that doesn't have the shielded ambi safety.

@@Gabierama December 7th. You can always change the safeties.

I have to regretfully say I haven’t had a chance to shoot the Alien yet. I did shoot a major match with David (@thehumblemarksman) and he did well with it. However, I’d have to say it’s a no for me as of today even without having shot it. Why? Because one of the highest priorities for me in specifically competition isn’t how it shoots… but how reliable it is, its usability as well as if it goes down… what now? I’ve been on squads where 4 guys in had them in competition… as of now… David’s is the only one I’ve seen run reliably. When they go down… they go down hard lol… clearing malfunctions has to be the hardest thing I’ve seen as the chamber sits so far down in there that clearing it quick… even if its a stovepipe… takes additional time vs nearly anything else. Secondly, they seem to not be able to run and/or feed the first round with a fully loaded mag… this was the case for all shooters that I’ve seen. Lastly, I manipulated the CELO and it was rather easy to accidentally grab the middle rail (sits higher in the CELO)and not rack it back… you really have to think About where you place your hands. But you shoot a 92x so it wouldn’t be necessarily unfamiliar from a racking perspective. All that to say, do I want to shoot and perhaps own one… absolutely! But criteria for a competition setup for me extends beyond shoot ability and the desire to shoot something unique (maybe even better!). It has to perform in the other checkboxes and just isn’t there for me yet.

@@TheGentlemanGunner I agree with you. I think shooting a MPA will be more reliable and more familiar to me. Also the lifetime warranty of MPA is very convenient. Thank you so much!

How is your Alien LO? A buddy of mine got one but the thing gets jammed up after 50 rounds every time he cleans it

I think it’s evolution to it all. There’s nothing at least on the website in their features/specs that suggest that there is additional attention given to the LOC in terms of fitting.

@TheGentlemanGunner Yeah, that's what I'm hoping. I'm really torn between an LOC, regular Hybrid and the IDPA. We don't have any sanctioned events in my part of Alaska so I can use anything I want in out local comps but we're hoping to move to the lower 48 in a couple years so it'd be nice to get something I could use in as many Divisions as possible, steel plate included.

@@SEAKPhotog before I had these and ported the barrels on my other guns… I would toss on a larger magwell and Nitrofin. That’s what I ran at Handgun Nationals this past year.

@TheGentlemanGunner Yep, I'm wondering if I could go the opposite direction and get an LOC with an aluminum grip and remove the nitrofin and large magwell when I wanna make weight. I think it might work. I've already checked with MPA and they'll install an aluminum grip on the LOC and cut the price by $300 as well. Frankly, the LOC with steel grip might just be too heavy for me. My TS2 with hollow brass grips is about as heavy as I wanna go at 53 ounces with a mag, and while I enjoy using it for stationary stuff, I much prefer my S2 and Bul Air (polymer grip) for dynamic stuff. We'll see. It's a fun dilemma.

Yeah that sounds about right with a full length dust cover… my IDPA version is 44oz with an empty mag and optic… only difference is that it has the Butler cut on the dust cover and smaller magwell

@TheGentlemanGunner Thanks for all the help, great channel!.Do you find yourself shooting slower times with the ds9s compared to polymer guns.Probably slower on transitioning from target to target.I could be wrong though.

@@timothygarrity5181 and I appreciate you watching! To answer your question… generally no… while swinging and manipulating the gun is a touch slower for me… the forgiveness of having a heavier gun when I settle on a target is the trade off… and if I pull off to early (which I’m guilty of)… there’s that tiny delay that works in my favor… but once I get some additional time on this gun I’ll probably be happy about it

@TheGentlemanGunner I think even the lighter aluminum version would still be more helpful then than a glock because it would stay on target due to weight.

Hi i talked to you recently about the ds9 hybrid. I decided on the stainless and black and ordered it.I do have a question and it may sound silly but i am new to the 1911 platform.I have just shot glocks and xdms in idpa for a long time.I don't want a grip safety and when i went to the options part i chose stationary Beavertail. Is this the correct option if i don't want a grip safety?. If i were to order the black ds9 it gives me a non functional option with the Beavertail. The stainless and black model is the only one out of the ds9s that gives me a stationary Beavertail option,all other ds9s gives you the non functional option.Does it sound like i picked the right option if i don't want a grip safety?.Thanks!.

Optic and mag largely… mag is probably 5-6oz, optic is 2-3oz

@@TheGentlemanGunner Thanks for your reply, Sir.

That’s tough… I just shot my first match today with the this gun in the video (Steel Grip)… At first I kinda thought it was heavy… but this gun settles well. I can tell you though it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if I got stuck with the aluminum grip. I’ve come to appreciate guns in the 40oz to 45oz range as I personally feel that’s an ideal competition gun weight while being heavy enough to reap the benefits of a lighter gun in manipulation and transitions. The heavier guns are easier to shoot on the move and if you hate recoil impulse… it definitely mutes it quite a bit.

@@TheGentlemanGunnerI see, that’s good to know. The one consideration I had is that the balance of the gun would probably be better with the steel frame, since it pushes the CG back toward the hand. Coming from a shadow 2 I feel like 2011s can have better balance. Maybe when your detailed review comes out that helps me make a decision

@@Icabueno what I will say about the S2 is it needs the brass grips in general… a tad muzzle heavy for my preference. Most 2011s are balanced well… and having more weight in the hands is ideal. I’ll have to think of a way to describe once I do the formal review on the DS9 because when I Dry-Fire… it feels heavy… shooting it is where you’re like… “how did that happen?!?!” The hits just show up for me… I shot 93% of points today just to give a point of reference

FWIW, I'm new to 2011s as well and also shoot an S2 OR and TS2. I bought a Bul Air competition 2011 as my second 2011. It has a polymer grip but a full, solid block of a dust cover. I thought the balance and recoil impulse might be an issue. To my pleasant surprise, the gun balances just fine and I'm pretty sure the polymer eats up some of the recoil. It's tied as my favorite gun alongside my S2OR. It's a joy to shoot and I shoot it very well. Surprisingly, I like the lighter weight and more nimble feeling. With that in mind, I'm very close to ordering a DS9 Hybrid or maybe an LO Comp with an aluminum grip. 🙂

@@TheGentlemanGunner mine has the lighter brass grips.👍🏻

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@@TheGentlemanGunner nice! They are both all black ? Which one do you think is better Stainless steel barrel or dlc black barrel?

@@Gabierama yes, all black and identical. I have the polished barrels on my IDPA DS9s and they look great. When I had these two put together… I wanted an all black… so it depends for me.