@@pwnmeisterage I think the Curry Type and Centaur type can be considered Excelsior's hatchback. Maybe Luna can be considered as Sovereign's, but the design doesn't look kitbashed enough.
We should have a Rock-Awareness-Month to commemorate the countless Starfleet personnel that lost their lives to sediment, great music, Alcatraz and the best wrestler in the Delta Quadrant.
Now I'm wondering: if the Federation hooked some engines onto an asteroid to use it as a ship, if there are explosions on board, are the crew showered with kit parts?
I think we should take a moment for all the rocks who's innocent trajectory's through life are tragically cut short by Red Shirts getting in their way.
I wish we got this version of the Pegasus because every starship class that's bared the name USS Enterprise NCC-1701 has had a compact variant at some point like the Miranda class, the Centaur class, the Nebula class and the Luna class.
it would be a good idea for a design to add to STO as they have some other ships that are pretty much just this sort of idea of changing one part of the ship to make a new class
Imagine spending your whole career in starfleet dodging explosions of rocks, then one day minding your own business and half of your body has materialised in side some. You would be pretty mad.
Star Trek engineers should keep everybody's transporter pattern in the memory banks. That way they can beam a new copy in each time a crew member dies. It should be an automatic back-up system that runs every few hours or even minutes, depending on data capacity.
Tech from the Pegasus should have been harnessed and given to every starfleet officer as a personal cloaking device, that way no one would ever die from rocks again...they blow out the console and pass right through!
Reminds me of the fan-made Apollo class. Basically a Nebula style kitbash of the Ambassador class with a (probably) replaceable mission specific pod section just like the Nebula. A really cool design. PS.: this video really ROCKS! 🖖
"The Pegasus" is that episode where somewhere at the end of the 2nd act, Riker goes into the Holodeck and boots up a program of a fine fanfic based on the first Enterprise. If you're interested in Riker's recreational hobby as a Holowriter, they actually made a full series about it. It's called Star Trek Enterprise! On that show you can see what Star Trek might have looked like when the series is focused more on sex and action. A nice diversion like Vic Fontaine and or a Random Irish Village. Thank goodness that wasn't canon, huh? Oh that Riker.
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Imagine the relatives which now can be informed. Starfleet office: Im Sorry your loved one is buried under a rock. Relatives: Why are you still putting rocks and high voltage circuits inside the console. SO: No no I meant he is fused with an asteroid.
I remembered they had put together but not used the MSD for this episode. I guess in my mind I saw the Nova class from Sternbach's Tech Manual as the first choice, but knowing they were kicking around the Cheyenne class is exciting. I've always wanted to see more of that class of vessel, and thought it would have been a better choice than some ships used in various DS9 Dominion episodes.
What would be awesome is if someone created a 3d model of this prototype design, and rework all the scenes featuring the Pegasus's exterior to include this instead. Maybe also swapping out that display for a 2-nacelle arrangement suitable for this Ambassador's Spouse class.
I read that Jonathan Frakes complained that Paramount was cutting a lot of TNG's budget in season 6 and 7 because they were spending more on DS9. That could explain why they cheapened out on the Pegasus.
If it had been up to my preference, I would have attached the nacelle pylons to the secondary hull at a flat angle, similar to the Ares class, it would just make more sense and require less adaptation and rejiggering of internal layouts, but it would have been an interesting concept anyway.
@@JunkBallMedia I'm just disappointed that ALF didn't make an appearance this time. Also, I really miss that fun synth tune you always used to play after the intro. Seems like ages since we heard that!
Random thought on the Rocks running gag: There's talk of using in-ship organic materials like human waste to line spacecraft walls in upcoming Mars missions to reduce radiation exposure. What if this practice still happens in the future. The Rocks are poo....
You know that episode from TNG, the Pegasus, brings up a really good question. If Starfleet had a phasing cloak, why did they have to Source One from the romulans for the defiant?
Because it was illegal, only one was made, and it was probably dismantled as a courtesy to the Romulans, too. Plus, it was maybe too advanced to work on Defiant, too, @kurtis tharp .
Because it was completely illegal for them to have one. If you were told that something - I dunno, atom bombs - were illegal to own, develop, or reasearch in your country due to some treaty with another country, but then you got a special exception to have *ONE*, and you just went "OH HEY I ALREADY HAVE ONE! HOW HANDY!" that could be grounds for literal war.
@@evilspoons yeah but per the TNG episode Pegasus, Picard blatantly stated the Romulan government would be informed of the situation which means disclosure was going to happen regardless. Why not run what you brung? It was a better cloak than what the romulans had anyway
Still the best Trek channel. I'll sometimes throw on the Pluto Star Trek episode to let them choose what episode of TNG I'm going to watch and this one came up a few days ago. It's such a great episode. Thanks for giving us some background info on it.
I'm surprised you didn't point out that the Enterprise finale "These Are the Voyages..." takes place in the middle of this episode. Riker uses the holodeck to watch Archer in making his decision to turn on Admiral Pressman.
LOL, this is the first time in one of your videos where officers truly WERE killed by rocks. It's neat that you didn't explicitly say this, to avoid spoilers. Also… 1:07 Mind blown!
How about a compromise where the Pegasus class is an Oberth variant with the absurd void between saucer and engineering section is filled in with all those advanced weapons, and the phased cloaking systems
@@benclark3621 Rocks: The most advanced 24th- Starfleet starship construction material ever devised to kill off nameless crew members. Not only traditionally used to pack the inside of bridge consoles for fragging annoying Red/Yellow Shirts, they were later found to be only best suitable substance to fill the notoriously unsightly "Oberth Gap"...😁
Steven - I created a GUNBOAT version of the OBERTH Saucer Section and adding 4 Oberth warp nacelles and two Rollbars with Miranda Megaphasors and Auto Torp systems , it also had a Double stack Impulse Engine arrangement. I used these in my Fleets along with MIRANDA Class Battle Cruiser confuguration. these Ships were part of the Starfleet Marines (MACOS) .
@@markplott4820 I’m an engineer at heart. I created a Starfleet Corp of Engineers shuttle carrier out of the lower pods with a door in the back and a port and starboard egress door forward on either side of the deflector array housing, Plus dorsal and ventral docking collars for runabouts in the void space. Travel to and from the saucer to the lower hull was from lift pods that followed inset rails in the connecting struts and entered and exited through air locks I also created a transport version of the Oberth that did away with the lower hull altogether and and instead had a docking collar for large scale cylindrical cargo pods. It was also possible to mount more than one oberth Saucer and slave control to a single command saucer
Definitely strikes me as a beancounter in the shipyard being given too much authority. "Hey, why are we spending so much on these neck bits and pylons? Cut them down or you're fired!"
@@JunkBallMedia Your videos have been consistently enjoyable. The amount of attentive effort you put into each and every one of them is - especially considering the modest size of your channel - quite astounding. Yours is one of those channels whose output seems effortless, but isn't, of course, if only because of your meticulousness in fact-checking. Or should I say OCD, lol. Anways: thanks a bunch bro, for your quality output. And wonderful sense of humor.
It is often joked about when ships take damage, and rocks fly across the scene… But we don’t know… they could be remnants of plasma discharged crystalline backplane for control panels… when phaser or photon torpedo damage hits the area, the crystalline structure could be damaged into rocklike sections… who knows?
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The enterprise doesn't use illumination in the darkness of space, yet it does inside an asteroid which inexplicably has an illumination source inside it.
Well you don't need one in space since you don't really have to worry about crashing into things. In a tight space like inside an asteroid it's a bit different. As for the light source that's just TV magic, visual clarity needs to come before realism some times.
Are you saying they should have shown the Enterprise as a vague, barely-visible pitch-black shape whenever it's traveling between star systems? That would certainly have saved them a lot of money on the special effects.
Thanks for remembering us and sharing this short video! As you mentioned, it is truly an unusual and challenging time; every little bit of sunshine is much appreciated, even if it simply shines up close from a gentle voice with a talented dry wit.
Nacelles on the saucer dont make sense when you still have an enginering hull, now they have to route drive plasma conduits thru the saucer. The Miranda works because the saucer is expanded aft as well as having additional superstructure added on to increase the thickness. Over all still a 8/10 design, attach the nacelles to the enginering hull and its basically a nebula class precursor.
This would've been awesome design. We saw a lot of Lost Era-type ships as kitbashes for DS9s Dominion War scenes. But they'd be much more useful in TNG.
My head canon for the rock debris often seen when ships take damage is that it's refinery slag used as cheap passive radiation shielding. The place we typically see them is the bridge, which has direct outer hull (because the federation has always believed in symbolism over practicality), the primary place for such a shielding material. And since for passive radiation shielding the only thing that really matters is mass, it makes sense that they would simply fill that space with the (presumably rather dense) waste materials from their metallurgy industry. That solves two problems: For one you don't have to ship off as much slag, and secondly your crew has some protection from cosmic radiation even if you lose power for active shielding or the system acts up in other ways.
@@matthewcaughey8898 Not familiar with the Normandy class (and I can't seem to find any details about it?) but the Defiant still has its bridge rater exposed at the top side. It's sunken in and somewhat shielded by a larger rim, but that only reduces the attack angle somewhat. It would be much more practical to have at least another deck above it for protection.
@@SKy_the_Thunder the Normandy came from me. I took the basic defiant form and increased the mass by 25 percent to give more room for additional weaponry. And to give the crew somewhat less Spartan living conditions. I also reduced the crew compliment and added additional redundancies to make it very difficult to stop or even damage. It’s basically a space borne super muscle car ( engine systems are pulled right from a galaxy class and upgraded to allow for serious right on the edge maneuvers and be able to have the amped up structural integrity fields to hold it together. Cloaking tech is a mixture of a reverse engineered Romulan device captured by Jim Kirk and several Klingon units sourced by ferengi traders (( at Utopia Planitia we don’t ask too many questions)). After we proved it worked Starfleet approved 5 additional ships. The USS Berlin , the USS Guadalcanal, USS Stalingrad, USS Britain, and USS Dutch Harbor. We named them for WW2 battles and they’ve all got some degree of war paint. Normandy sports a shark mouth and D-day invasion stripes etc. ( it’s a part of a thing I hope to write called Star Trek the chronicles of Task Force Ghost, a novel of the dominion war)
Actually, using an Oberth makes a lot of sense in-universe when you think about it: When using a lot of experimental and new technology, designing a new ship around all that takes a lot of effort, time end resources, especially when you don't know if all that stuff will work in the first place. So better stuff all the experimental tech on an old hull, especially when said hull is probably scheduled for scrapping in the near future anyways. Sure, that will take a lot of juri-rigging and non-optimal arrangements, probably with a lot of open cables and lines. But ultimately you don't need to run your tech optimally, you just need to see if it runs at all. And as an experimental ship you'll not fly 5-year missions into the unknown, but closely-monitored, short term cruises in safe territory. Also, the chances are high that all this new tech will require a lot of tweaking and refitting, so its better to have an old hull where you don't mind ripping out panels and floors for a few new cables, instead of a brand new ship where you just mit the carpet last tuesday. So yeah, an old ship as a first experimental trials ship makes sense and then, after a few flights, deign a new class with all the things you have learned.
@@DGAlpha85 agree and disagree. The Oberth was an old platform, possibly the oldest platform in service during the 24th century given how low the registry on the Grissom was in ST3. It does make sense to have an existing platform be the testbed for some new technologies, but there were a lot more existing platforms to choose from in the mid-24th century than a ship originally designed in the early 23rd century. On the other hand, there were some proto-Galaxy ships in the Wolf 359 fleet, namely the Freedom and Challenger, that would have also been logical prototype ships even though they weren't existing models. I think a lot of it comes down to the systems being tested: if it's things like weapons and sensors, then yes it makes sense to integrate them into current platforms, but for larger systems like warp drives it might make sense to have a newer test platform (such as the NX-alpha and NX-beta prior to the NX-01).
@shininginshadows Except that in real life.. this is often the case. The US Navy currently uses a 45 year old Spruance class destroyer as a remotely-controlled “Self-Defence-Test-Ship” to trial new defensive weapons technologies. One of the first US Navy ships to fire a surface-to-air missile in 1953 was the battleship USS Mississippi.. which was commissioned in 1915 during WWI. The nice thing about using old ships is they don’t draw from operational demands that require modern hulls.. they are easier to modify because they can literally be “kit bashed” with crude installations and easily modified configurations that don’t need to meet standards for durability, damage control, redundancy, etc because they will likely only be operated in fair weather, close to port, not in combat, and…… as we see here… if there is an accident or total constructive loss the cost is far cheaper than a newer ship.
In your summary of the episode you forgot to mention how Riker struggled and spent a lot of time on the holodeck playing different parts in a reenactment of some of the NX Enterprise missions
The scene with the 4 nacelle diagram on the screen, was that not shot on the set they used for the star-gazer bridge? That would explain the drawing as a simple oversight.
If you think about, rocks don't really get any breaks in scifi. From what happened to them here, the Empire blasting it's way through an innocent space herd of them (don't even get me started on the parasites that they can have), to Bruce Willis blowing one on half. It's not easy being a space rock.
Nice detective work re: quad nacelles on the bridge display! THat's the basic kind of canon research sorely lacking in recent vintage Trek Pausing the BluRay and screen capping/zoom may enable deciphering more of the text. Can make out the heading "WARP COIL ANALYSIS" from this vid
I'm sure one of the old computer games like Star Trek command had a scene where the US Pegasus was in an animation a bit like interbred voyager ship and launch plenty of torpedoes from the top of neck
