What was the criticism? I tried to search through comments but i just saw good criticism by doing a beloved au based on the source material to make it more canon (i love ur work) @@Yuti640
@Yuti640 It was better than the old one! But I miss the line: "I only had one best friend" Anyways, it's great to see you putting a lot of effort into this. I love how you remove the innocence of Papyrus, he isn't THAT dumb... Good work!
i was actually one of the weirdos who was fine with the original papyrus scene but i do agree that if the majority didn't like it, it should probably be redone to be better so here it is. i hope you enjoyed
I’m exited for this! this is the best dusttale take i have ever seen, from the writing, to the amazing animation, just imagine this gets a fangame version after this whole story gets wrapped up!
The best AU takes are the ones that could make sense in normal Undertale! Having Sans do all sorts of wacky stuff makes far less sense than Flowey snapping. Yuti knows what they're doing! 🙂
hah, thanks, I sort of had that "this makes no sense" opinion, and decided that instead of just saying how things can be different, I might as well just MAKE them different myself
holy shit this is SO much better his willfulness to fight back came from wanting to protect his brother, and even then he was still holding back cuz he's papyrus, violence was never his thing beautiful work I can't wait for what's next
The fact papyrus took so long to die just shows how strong he is Sans probably would have gotten eviscerated This is a really good redux of the original scene though!
Saying Papyrus is forgettable after literally learning every nick and cranny of information backstory and lore about Papyrus like if he were a fangirl is fucking crazy
Hm, i am kinda torn on which version i like better The 1st version is much closer to what happens in the regular genocide route with the added shenanigans of Papyrus being dubious and not getting the hint. I like how he doesn't care at all about being hurt and how he goes "yea i get the pain, but why though" it feels very in character! And when Flowey sends even more pellets Papyrus' only complaint is that Flowey is not listening. What I like the most is the contrast between Flowey trying to be an edgy creepypasta villain and Papyrus ruining the atmosphere... this makes the death a lot more haunting The 2nd version is much straight to the point. It only takes a few hints from Flowey for Papyrus to get the full picture and get to the conclusion that his supposed best friend killed his entire neighborhood. This doesnt really feel like Papyrus imo. I dont mean to say that Papyrus should be stupid, I want to say that he has shown time and time again how he delundes himself from the grim truth and doesn't like to even consider it. However, I **DO** like how he actually fights back (and also how flowey mentions that Papyrus "rarely" does that) when his friends get mentioned and the stakes become more personal to him. Still, this version feels kinda melodramatic and not as in character for me I also want to mention that the endings of these 2 version feel completely different! In the 2nd version Papyrus doesn't make too much impact, he plays along with the grim atmosphere and let's Flowey wallow in his misery, Flowey gets the last laugh there. In the 1st version Papyrus death feels more impactful, the whimsy he provided in his brief appearence is gone forever and when it's all done Flowey leaves the scene unsatisfied and perhaps even a little conflicted. Basically, the 1st version leaves you mourning Papyrus and everything that came along with him and the 2nd version just establishes Flowey as a complete monster I think there could be a nice middle ground between these 2, like Papyrus might not get the hints Flowey initially gives him and tries to talk Flowey out of the murderous path, but once Flowey gets blunt and straightforward and mentions that he has killed his neighbors and is going to hurt Papyrus' friends... DATS when Ol' Papyrus starts fighting back in order to to save and rehabiliate his "best friend" (if i had to choose i like the 1st iteration more)
A few people down here are preferring the original since remakes are universally looked down upon in this day and age. But you can't please everyone. But I find this to be significantly better. Shorter too. And I like the clever use of the blue bones.
I definitely like this version a lot more compared to the previous one. Even more so by showing that Flowey can find small changes that move away from how predictable he sees the world in a certain way thanks to these small events, this dusttale becomes much more curious xd
I don't think the original was perfect, but I also don't think this was perfect either. I feel like it swung a little too hard in the other direction. The original felt more in line with Toby Fox's writing style, the remake here feels more sad and angsty, more in line with fanon stuff than Toby's style and it's a bit jarring. On the swing thing, I get that the fandom is trying to push back against the "Super innocent omega cinnamon roll Papyrus" false interpretation, because he's not THAT stupid and naive and blindly innocent like the fandom portrayed him as in the beginning, but you also have to remember that this is a guy who, after you cut his head off and killed him, spent his dying breaths telling you about how he still believed you could change. The original felt closer to that than this. Flowey mentioning how many times he's killed Papyrus and how he always does the same spiel is a massive improvement here though. I didn't think about it when I saw the original, but it makes so much sense for Flowey to have already heard that spiel a million times and not be surprised by anything. On the flip side, the ending was a downgrade imo. Papyrus's final "FLOWERY... PLEASE... DON'T HURT SANS..." line felt like a VERY cheap shot at the emotions, and the "forgettable" reference felt kinda forced. The original ending wasn't great either, but I did like Flowey's "I only ever have one best friend." line. Papyrus's set up to that line, not so much. I think I prefer the original, but I'm glad that both versions exist.
Honestly, I’m one of the few who enjoys the original more Granted the main difference that separates this papyrus and the other one is the mention of sans so it makes sense papyrus acted too panicky. But I don’t think it should feel like a trade. Like I said papyrus acted too panicky in this, he would have a similar reaction of the first one up until flowey says sans is next.
Nobody's talking about the new Flowey face!!! I love that. Great work, of course. My only criticism would be the flowey saying he was "running errands" since he probably wouldn't have offered Papyrus any explanation for why he left earlier on. Flowey is shown to just appear and dissappear without warning, maybe saying "gotta go!" Or something like that as his "explanation." Especially with how busy he has been! Instead, for that line, I imagine he would say "Do you think I've been running errands?!?" Or something to that effect. Not the right wording, I know. I like how compact the original line is but I feel like his question can be rephrased there. Anyways, that's my nitpick. Leaps and bounds of improvement showcased here. Really love not only how Papyrus fought back, but HOW he fought back... totally in character, trying to stop rather than to hurt. Great work, keep it up.
Поразительно, как часть с Папирусом, которая выглядела смешно и глупо превратилась в очень грустную и где папирус попытался остановить цветок делом, а не словами
honestly i didn't mind the old dialogue, yes it was not great, but this is amazing dialogue you understood flowey's character amazingly, although i would say that papyrus was a bit too concern for his brother, but i don't mind it at all, nothing that is in need of an "re-remake" 9.5/10
The giggle that erupted from me when the thumbnail popped up on my phone screen. I live this remake of the scene, ITS SO GOOOOOOOOOOD❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️ & I also like being able to see Papyrus at a point where he's forced to fight back. & seeing how he reacts to a genocidal maniac that's not a random human child but a deeply appreciated friend. & seeing Flowe[r]y so quick to anger after Papyrus fought back, really showing him spiraling further & further into madness. Like, this remake is so fucking delicious, I knew you were gonna delivers some amazingness when the world needed it most.
Like I said in the community post, this scene really encapsulates both flowey's and papyrus's characters really well. Great job, this is constructive criticism at its finest, even if i enjoyed the original too :3
Ehh, i mean.. ..Is it better than the previous one? Yes, very. still would've much preferred if it was just an insta-kill backstab when flowey says "one.. two...!" with papyrus' last words before turning into dust, at most. But hey! the fact you redid the thing at all shows your dedication, and i like it! Keep up the nice work, bud! It might not 100% appease someone like me, but hey, there's a lot more people than just me, and in general, it IS a great improvement!! Edit: Well, guess what. I did that "take" myself, LMAO. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wFVi_-u4eSk.html All credit given to ya, of course. made sure to point that like 3 times in the description.
I'm so happy someone is actually taking a different route and making it more close to the canon than the actual fandom...like Flowey has been through this song and dances before so it makes sense for Flowey to be the one getting kills and not sans, Flowey REMEMBERS what you did before hand, Sans is a whole different story which is why I never liked the take they did with sans to begin with. It wouldn't make sense whatsoever, but with Flowey it makes PERFECT sense. So great job with this so far, the way the story is being written so far (and this being a remake) i'm pretty excided with how this story will end.
bro this remake is peak i love how papyrus actually cares about sans here and doesnt want flowey to hurt him nice work with this one, way better than the original :D
When you yourself kill papyrus, most people feel bad. But when flowey kills papyrus, it is even sadder because you can see that flowey has 0 remorse for his actions
i just gotta say, though, that although your original scene had issues, i feel like you still at least portrayed Flowey really well. in fact, you're consistently portraying Flowey well and i just gotta say props
I’m glad he’s not as “naive” as he was in the original Even when he says, “is this part of the surprise?” It’s very clearly not genuine, and him actually trying to fight back seems very papyrus, after all it’s hinted in game that papyrus is really strong, (Undyne mentions it, papyrus can make is attacks not kill you, even toriel can’t do that)
Better than "I only have ONE best friend, idiot." because Papyrus meant to say Flowey was HIS best friend, as opposed to Papyrus being Flowey's best friend.
ok this is way better than the original cutscene if papyrus was thrown into a situation like this he would definitely have to fight back this is great :D
While I didn't have any problems with the original scene personally, this was done really nicely! The only thing I wish you would have done here was to reincorporate Papyrus's "best friend" line -- though here, something like his final words being "I THOUGHT... YOU WERE MY BEST FRIEND...?" and dusting, to which Flowey keeps his "I only ever had one best friend." Then you'd continue through with him calling Papyrus forgettable, etc.
I LOVED THE SCENE, you really matched Papyrus's personality but... this gave me an idea... And what if Papyrus manages to free himself from Flowey and will HE be the one to stop him?
@@amogus_definitivo Papyrus planned to kill you on the genocide route. He says it in his dialogue at his house. I honestly think he might’ve at least tried to kill Flowey if given the chance.
Honestly, the only suggestion I have for this is bringing back in Papyrus questioning why Flowey would want to target Sans (especially now Flowey says they want revenge against Sans), but otherwise this is undeniably handled way better.
I did kind of enjoy the slight dark comedy of the original version, but I can understand if people felt underwhelmed and bored with the pace and random tone changer.(probably the biggest channel i’ve seen critique the scene was that guy) That said, flowey was pretty much nailed perfectly. He’s an asshole through and through, so it would make sense for him to be like this. That said, the spaghetti man himself felt like too shifted in the opposite manner, even if papyrus knows and fears for his life, he usually keeps his goofy tone. Like mentioning that the human is weird for not partaking in puzzles. Not reacting, etc. I will say this version did bring a better tone overall, but I don’t think the darkish humor of TS dusttale should be written out entirely, as imo undertale fan work best when the two types of tones work together (I mean, the original sans fight, while ultimately hopeless, was literally meant to be a troll fight in the most bluntest of honesty.)
@@gamercentral2417 The old version felt dragged out and Papyrus' naivety was bumped up to eleven. He might be naive, but the old version really made him seem dumb, not understanding the situation at all. Here, at least he understands rather quickly that Flowey's incentives are malicious, and actually cared for his brother, too. He's had different experiences with Flowey and Undyne, so it makes sense it would put him off when Flowey acts that way.
@ I think this version didn’t drag out the naivety at all. I think a mix of both versions are perfect. Cause neither really hit papyrus right. This one was off rip “what are you doing 1!!1!1!1!1!” And the other one was “idk WTF you are doing” I think the best mix would be papyrus being naive at the beginning until flowey reveals he will kill sans next, then it goes similarly to this.
if each petal deals at least 19-20 dmg to a frisk with 0 defense (we can assume it's an instant kill, cause even if you dodge the barrage, the unstoppable pellet circle is very slow, as if it's an instant kill. do note, in the dodgeable pellet attacks, they go away after being hit, even if the pellet that's vanishing hasn't hit the human, so each hit still deals 20ish dmg.) defense not included: and there are 8 pellets, this implies papyrus takes 160ish dmg every pellet circle. five pellet circles, means 800 dmg total, which is above papyrus's 680 HP, meaning papyrus fucking being decapitated and dying after the fifth hit, and not the fourth hit makes sense. this is more of a testament to how strong flowey is. defense included: DF in undertale means 1/5 of the defense chips away at the DMG that it would've dealt. The hits still deal around 160 dmg though. (1/5 of 20 is 4, so 156 dmg.) if he's offguard, (do note DEF rounds down) then it'd be 1/5 of 3, so 0 dmg reduction. this also does not include flowey's LV. tldfc (too long don't fucking care): the amount of pellets it takes to kill papyrus is canon. also flowey deals 20 DMG per pellet, yeowch.
I expected something more tbh,like papyrus using his bone to break from the vines and he takes a battle stance,then it can either lead up to a battle video/ost or just fade to black and then show the results of the fight, with flowey as the victor
I like how flowey is even more childish in this, throwing a tantrum when papyrus ACTUALLY FIGHTS BACK because now it's inconvenient to him instead of interesting Also I love the angry faces you use for flowey. God he's such a brat it's actually entertaining whenever he loses his temper
The original version was pretty good besides the length it had, I really do think that was the only setback it had becasue every other aspect was on point, to me at least, I think this version is a little better pacing wise if someone were to watch the whole thing in one go, but I do think that this one had just one small "misstep", not really as noticable as the previous iteration, it's very minor in comparison and honestly subjective to a degree, Papyrus's pleading was a little out of place imo? It just kinda came out of nowhere? It's not out of character for him to be worried about Sans, I just picture him saying something that reflects this in a more subtle/not straight manner, like, how he wants Sans to be more motivated never being said directly in the game but being read through subtext in his dialogue, which this Papyrus kinda lacked when he mentioned his brother, but overall, I think I do prefer this way more than the first one, after all it's not like it made the narrative as a whole bad, it just improved the rhythm of the video and even tough it had a minor mistake, again just imo, this was a good improvement!
i mean....... im not a critic expert or smth, but i think i liked how paps acted in the original scene, the moment he said "NO NOT SANS!" that gave me big vibes of disbilief, like bro he doesn't even wonder why flowey is doing this, or why he hates so much sans, hes like "oh the agony pls don't aaaaa" sure the other scene took too long but idk, who im i to say this when i can't even animate lol
@@Yuti640 don't worry, we can't reach perfection, were only human, yet you still do something close to perfection, i like both equally and all your work too 😄
i mean, if someone threatened to kill someone you love after you, it feels realistic to have that sort of reaction, their motives should be the last of your concerns right now
This remake does a good job of showing how little Flowey cares for Papyrus' gags due to how many runs have happened, and it fixes the problem of Papyrus being protrayed as a nieve idiot. Great remake overall.
That's definitely the most important changes I had to make, Flowey lets Papyrus talk too much and THEN says he's predictable, which makes no sense, since Flowey is pretty no nonsense in UT!DUSTTALE, and Papyrus was just way too full of jokes because I kept trying to include all his character traits which left it really awkward But now, I'm proud of it
To be honest, he didn't really come off as naive; maybe he was just a bit more jokey than he would normally be in a situation like this, but looking back, I don't see any naivety PS: Papyrus IS naive just not childishly innocent
i liked the unpleasant longness of the first one. it’s draw-out made it a bit sadder and more disturbing to watch (as much as an animation gets). this one’s great too, though. gets right to the point and flowey is a lot more flowey-er. (true)
Me, personally, I think he should've done more than blue bones, he knows flowey can just take the hit with his higher LV, or just kill him outright as he did in the clip. I feel like this version of papyrus is much more and less canon in a sense, more canon because he cares enough for his friends/brother to attack HIS best friend, but also LESS canon in the sense that Flowey wasnt really in charactee, and before you say "Oh its just LV", Hes Soulless. He cant feel emotions. His character is always the same no matter the LV. Overall? W Retake. Took criticism and improved it.
This was, I'd say an upgrade on the original, since the original one made papyrus a bit... too dumb, and how'd he take so long to catch on, as flowey said in this one "He's smarter than that" when papyrus finally caught on.
