UTPR Frisk is the most OP a character has ever been right now. What happened?! 

diehard tries to get top 3 on leaderboard, frisk players: start the invasion

frisk is good of heals

Their* frisk is genderless I think

@@spiderkid4thegamer400it’s whatever you wanna interpret it as

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Play fairly

Play fairly

@@Diego91940 Play unfairly

@@idk.5293 that's so unfun

Frisk in ranked would be something then lmao

@@diehard710 Frisk is being reworked so these nerfs unfortunately might never truly come

@@redrabbitplayz Well if Frisk is being reworked from the ground up than it’s not rlly unfortunate lol.

Dodge chance is completely stupid and makes the character luck based. Sure it's a half baked way to make the character pretty much take lass damage/have more hp. But what if the dodge chance randomly comes in when someone is using their combo extender on you? It's literally a dice roll whether they get to continue their combo or not. Being hit stuns you much less than getting a "dodge", so if you play as a character that has to do their full M1 to hit you with another move as their combo, what if the Frisk just dodges your final M1? You literally get punished for getting unlucky. Dodge mechanics shouldn't ever go half way. They should be 100% on or 100% off. Having a base chance adds so much stupidity because one lucky dodge in a bad place in someones combo literally just lets you escape the combo most the time. And that's the farthest thing from being good at the game.

@@doug2555 the final m1 actually still knocks someone dodging back, you can still combo, but it is luck based I can say

they just nerfed it rip

Gtc has a lot if stuff to work with too_

They did reworked them before undyne came out with just the real knife and healing. And honestly? I feel that was much better than what it is now.

@@xdiamondlongswordx523 I don't agree, frisk's move sets before was too repetitive and boring. Now that you can't do unlock combos, frisk would be extremely boring without the rest of their weapons

the fact that frisk can change its stats make it more an issue gtc also only have one heal that can be used around 2 time just beaucause of the long cd when frisk has 4 different ways to heal where 3 comeback faster then gtc's heal, frisk just need to be rework it s not even really a fun character the only thing fun is like rk5 because it s hard to lend, and tbh i feel like frisk pre rework (with phase 2 ) was healthier for the game

@@xchara2058 yes but realistically frisk has only 99 HP and only 1 phase

The real problem is just starting a combo now tbh

Sans also works wonders with blaster 1 and bone 6, as well as tele 1 after you bait the gun shots And if you manage to get melee hits in, then follow this combo Lmbx4 > Rmbx3 > Lmb > blaster 2 > tele 1> wait for them to fall down > bone 3 > wait for them to hit ground > blaster 3 Frisk can only win if they use bandage and cancel all your telekenesis

finally, someone plays with chara in ranked

I play, undyne and Chara now yes you can bait there rk 4 out and gun but Frisks see this and they use knife 4 instead of rk 4 and it has the same amount of stun as that of rk and you know what's so balanced? THE COOLDOWN IS 10 SECONDS! So a frisk can use knife 4 and if they miss they can run around and use gun and then switch back to knife and there cooldown would go away completely balanced

For me it is stamina management, dodge their attacks with minimal stamina loss and apply pressure when they stop running around to regain stamina. GT Chara works well due to all their ranged attacks

If they start playing defensively and stay across map make sure to have hate 2 to close the gap make sure to save perseverance cause it has helped me a ton when fighting them. Seriously you can use patience, not as a combo but to keep their stamina low cause 9/10 times they will dodge it

The problem is that their stalling tools are too good for a character that benefits from stalling while in a meta where STALLING is the best playstyle. To be honest the biggest offender of frisk's moveset is Gun. It allows them to easily cancel, combo, and push the opponents away for huge stall benefits (forces the opponent to run after frisk or else they get all the heals they want.) If it was atleast blockable you could say it is fair, but as far as i know its not.

@@guideoftheriver7112 the worst part about gun is that unlike og soulshatters the last hit of gun knockbacks so you literally just land one ultra fast long range projectile and combo it into the rest of the gun shots knocking them back and letting you easily stall for even longer

If you combo them with bandage the damage scaling gets absurd. Since the combo's last so long, frisk will have all their moves back already

honestly i find that alot of characters can deny their stall, sans has a variety of moves that force him to move around, and apart from that the frisks still need to get close to him to stop sans from using attacks undying is a little tricky but i find that i just save 5 for a combo or for whenever they finishing using their gun, if i dont have 5 i use not charged 2 because cooldown and big range asriel can spam chaos buster lol frisk vs frisk: if they stall you stall too, otherwise just dont use the gun 3rd shot untill they attempt to heal gt chara can save up patience for the free combo when they try a healing move i dunno man i just have some moves saved up for whenever they try a cheeky playstyle, since for the most part frisks that use that dumb as hell stall till you win playstyle have bad reaction time lol

Yeah im glad it got nerfed but this video was like a month ago lol

The thing is that if somebody plays frisk right, it can be nearly impossible to land an lmb while they can easily use rk4, do a whole combo and then have the cd back. If the frisk is skilled, then it can be super op

This is taking into account being able to block RK4 and Gun. They won't get as free a combo out of it since if you block it you're free to do whatever you want after. And Frisk doesn't have anything else to go through block. Except RK2, and 5. Even if they did RK4 on your block you could just LMB to clash out of it, or hit them if they try to use a move after it. The next issue here is that is reliance of the "Frisk playing right." There shouldn't be punishment for playing right. Edit: You'd still get a combo out of RK4 it just won't be as brain dead as it is now. If RK4 is blocked and Frisk doesn't get punished, Frisk then has 2 choices back up and reset. Or continue trying to attack. But now your enemy is chasing after you and you can't just freely use Gun to keep them away. (Block) Or you have no ways to chase after your enemy and have to expend stamina.

The way Frisk is their actions are pretty telegraphed, if they have knife out and are running at you from afar, they're probably going to use RK4, if they have gun they're going to shoot you. If they have book, they're going for the counter. But even if it's obvious and we know what they're going to do it's still damn near unavoidable and ridiculous to deal with. Granting the ability to block RK4 and Gun means Frisk can't just throw it out for free. If they want any mileage out of it they'd have to be much less predictable and actually catch their enemy off guard, mentally and literally (lol)

@@diehard710 then it would be skill dependant, so technically it's like gtc in ss - you need *skill* to use it and people will say it's op because you know how to play them. perhaps you meant the playstyle (as you mentioned in the video)? just asking

İ agree

As a Frisk main I'd love removing gun spam knockback. MORE COMBO STARTERS

Doesn't feel like enough imo but it's a step in the right way

@@AlexNegative agreed, i keep missing a combo because my gun hasnt reloaded the 2nd shot yet

Emphasis on **a bit** , it still heals for three billion HP by the time you finally hit the Frisk again

@@DeterminedFish81 good point, but it still helps i guess Has anyone thought of using ranged attacks? I mean close ranged attacks aren't your only option. Maybe that can counter frisk's healing? I'm most likely wrong but I'm just saying

perfectly said, half of the weapons are usually weak and just for cosmetic effect/to look cool, the pan even has a special blocking animation despite it having no moves, the healing is a big factor too 3 different heals with high defense and cooldowns that don’t push it back, also healing used to take mana, like a lot of mana, and now with that gone the drawback is even smaller

Bruh Worn Dagger sucks. Also, it isn't worth it cuz it's only one slash and then cooldown.

@@Negonkey you have only 10 less attack plus you could just use bandage or cowboy hat to get attack back. also cd for WD4 is 5 seconds meaning you can do more. plus people used it for stun not really actual damage but you can really do that anymore.

Charged 2 into 7 just straight up doesn't work, you can easily get out but yeah. TH7 needs the enemy at 0 stam

@@diehard710 oh, then i can guess they shadow nerfed undyne lol sad moment

Most of the time you can, but if a frisk does it frame perfect (which everybody in ranked does) it's surprisingly true.

@@diehard710 If it's frame perfect I should definitely get a reward for hitting it. Unless you're just saying frame perfect and it's not actually frame perfect.

@@rreplacement7402 it's literally ping dependant, i would get punished in a mirror match (frisk vs frisk) for hitting wd 4 because the other frisk *CLEARLY* had better ping, so yeah

You can literally pb charged 1, 2 you can get out of easily by s-dashing and tele 1 is annoying yes

@@diehard710 charged 1 pb still break block- i tried so many times and if block break they can just link to 2 or charge 2 And to 2 ,what if u run out of stamina bc of avoiding lmbs

​@@tobe6804 No, perfect block when Undyne uses the 1 charged makes Undyne stun for about 1.5 seconds

@@nomenomeha30anosatras33 OH I SEE

bru

Yeah lemme just grind levels before I we 1v1 in ranked real quick. This comment can't be real...

ion know about allat but I do think phase 2 frisk should only be usable when ur phase 1 frisk is at a high enough lvl

If you play defensive they can just heal back up tho

@@diehard710 Then I suggest using them at the start. The trick is to get them to use the items to your advantage.

I know not everybody plays frisk like this, but if they do, it's OP. Asgore and Undyne can barely land lmbs now. Charged 1 got nerfed to the point of being super easy to dodge and TK 4 is just too easy to pick up with

@@diehard710 I will admit the knock back on the gun is busted, though a few things are like that I feel should probably change as well (hate 3 for example)

@@diehard710 charged 1 was literally impossible to dodge

​@@grooviestglobe4907 its no impossible and you can perfect block this now

def a utpr dev

nahhh he is making sense

Really depends on how much you reduce it. The way it is right now isn't any better either

It's a game of switching back and forth. Frisk's low HP also helps with the damage scaling.

@@diehard710 All the characters can still counter this character in some way, Undyne has enough zoning tools to stop the frisk from healing, sans just kills frisk with one touch because of KR, GT Chara being the same as Undyne but a bit worse, Asgore having fire damage, and Frisk itself.

to counter 2 all it takes is a s-dash, and sans has damage scaling now so he isnt as effective.

Well that's one reason why sans is op the other reason is the stupid amount of dmg he can deal easily and not get punished for it

The problem mostly is how easy frisk can pick up enemies from nearby. if combo's with the apron, it's a free 11 HP. For some chars its nearly important to counter passive frisk

@@diehard710 after fighting frisks in ranked i honestly feel like the gun is almost worse than rk 4 cause that shit literally has inf ammo if you dont spam shoot it lmao

Frisk tk 4 into lmb is true if you're fast enough. It's op enough already so just missing it once isnt even that bad

@@diehard710 even if the cooldown is over and I try to get closer to the player they always run away. At least in ranks I can't play Frisk normally

​@@diehard710 In fact, his problem is lag, 4 is based on lag, I can use it and then combo, but only with people from my continent (South America) but I can't do that with people from North America, they always manage to defend when I try to attack after using 4, I can also defend from almost everyone in my region, but I can't defend when the guy is from North America.

@@agent_mint try out worn dagger or move in the opposite direction as them (they move clockwise you move counterclockwise)

@@Hypersanic023 ty I'll try it

I really think that some characters have a worse passive play than others, where in this case frisk just has the worst right now

hes overpowered because GOH can do like 60 - 70 damage in one combo and also his beam does 100+ dmg to almost every class

You didn’t even mantion low stamina = fatality! LOL

Theres a game mode for that

Asgore fire stuns… I mean I get that 1 stuns, BUT WHY 3??? Yes, nerf fire. Damage is way too high for a tank and the god damn stun on 3 just isn’t fun

@@nou787 And the fact that Asgore can attack you, while YOU ARE ATTACKING HIM, AND HE'S STUNNED, is simply stupid and makes no sense

@@Chris-55 ong

no...butters dont tell me

Nah I will now I'm sorry but you have not seen what I experienced

Just if people question, why would frisk Need a secondo phase? (Because if you would play It aggressively rn, with the current m1's, you are Just gonna get 35-40 dmg off a combo that isn't even true, or you could try and pull off some Crazy combo Just to end up with 0 stamina, bandage and rk, which Will probably get you killed in One combo. As he said, frisk isn't broken, It's the playstyle that Is.)

lmfao what

@@diehard710 XD so what im saying is, frisk is op and u have to know what to do before u even do it not only but, u have to know how to counter the moves of the person ur fighting lol

@@diehard710 also if u wanna 1v1 me so i can show u add me the user askdjok

Stay strong chad main

same with me, but it's chara, it only got nerfed (and the dt2 little buff, but it's almost useless, for a freaking 250ms player), now i only play with chara because of it's animations, they are just great

what no

When undyne is too good to be changed:

@@diehard710 Undyne is the most balanced of all by far, well debuff the true hero damage by 10 and it is perfect

Im sorry but what debuff means? It has no translation to my language

@@nomenomeha30anosatras33 weaken

Please if ur gonna talk about anyone talk about asgore please PLEASSE TALK ABOUT THAT MF

If frisk gets nerfed and asgore gets buffed again I may actually start making videos to help point these flaws out because that's what it's gonna take

Like jexsus Chirst

what

​@@diehard710 What they are trying to say is, Asgore needs a nerf more than anyone else at the current moment. Why? His passive playstyle is better than Frisks due to his unpunishable moves, insane HP, and damage that is solid for what it takes to land. You cannot be offensive against a asgore, you have to respect his moves even if he misses as he could counter, use a Super Armor move, and tp away. He has too many options on Whiff. Expanding on the previous point, Asgore is too safe for what he does. Solid range, Only character in the game to force you into defending even if they make a mistake or whiff, and a absolute tank despite doing solid damage. And you wanna know whats worst of all? He takes no skill compared to frisk and is better than them in pretty much every way! 1. Frisk can Heal and gain mass amounts of defense if they want, but Asgore already has more HP than a Frisk will ever have or regen, along with reliable damage and defense. Frisk has to heal and do lower damage/defense for the buffs they get! 2. Frisk has a "combo starter" that can still be punished despite having a long cooldown! You know what moves on Asgore can be actively punished for hitting or even missing? Next to none! If you miss Frisk Ballet 1 or Gloves 1 you can be hit by any ult in the game in reaction, while Asgore on whiff for most of his moves can do his many options to make it no longer punishable. How is it fair that Asgore can do reliable damage, have the most HP possible, have solid defense, have super armor, be safe on most of his moves, punish you for playing offensive as basekit while frisk has to change their stats/Items to achieve a equal solid HP/Defense/DMG/Regen! Frisk cannot have all at once that is their balance, plus the skill they do take to pull off their better combos while managing their tiny HP bar(Sans has the biggest advantage over frisk due to no second form and their defense not mattering). So if you want Frisk nerfed, you'd have to nerf Asgore first as they do what frisk does but even better with less skill required!

frisk

@@diehard710 well it depends if the sans uses THAT combo

no wayy sans crushes everyone

@@itz_darkside5492 I’m a sans main and I can confirm I get destroyed by everyone

and that's when I started maining them :trol:

Nightmare ssc

You mean worn dagger?

@@edsddsdsds4719 yeah

but only puts one slash and has less atk than rk

@@itz_darkside5492 the problem is that has a very low cooldown and for who have high ping like me that can be undodgable, so, free combo

@@rob6250 how big of a ping do you have that you cannot dodge it?

@@itz_darkside5492 130 in public server but in ranked is 200+ because of horrible servers Brazillians dont have a good ping in roblox cuz roblox never creates a server in Brazil or closier

​@@rob6250 eu sinto a sua dor

No longer buddy

Yeah you're probably talking about before the update since Chara is F tier now

Chara is a rushdown character, When they put that in the description I think they meant that she dies fast

Thankfully sans' damage was heavily nerfed because of damage scaling yeah, so to Frisks it's not as effective. Since sans is affected by attack and doesnt deal damage based on def you can just use the bandage against him. Frisks have worse (as in op and annoying, not bad) stalling tactics than sans. What sans does have now is the tele 1 spam which is quite frustrating as well

So you telling be about easy punishment when you get close... Uh huh... Cool, yeah, pretty cool, i totally believe that. A character that is slow as hell, who can't even grab you with tele because any GOOD PLAYER (unlike you) knows that you can easily cancel it with spears 2 And undyne, who is si damn fast, that its faster than asriel, and also has spear 1, if you are too close, it can use it, and it hits you, and if you are a bit far, it can just hold it, and if you teleport, they just use it without holding, her 7 also can hit sans when his stamina is half or less, because of his speed, if you sans that sans can run away, that is not really true, because undyne is faster, also undyne is easier to play, i played it 3 times in my life, and i play exact same like other undyne mains, while when i started to main frisk, i died many times.

@Tabatya Maybe it's bad ping, but If I use spear 2 as soon as I get telegrabbed, it still goes into effect. I cant get close because they can just... simply avoid me until they get tele, feeding into my previous issue. This results in sans getting extremely easy punishes as, y'know, chasing people isn't amazing for stamina. Also (unless its a 'my ping' thing, you cant hit sans with spear 7 unless the sans messes up *very* badly) You dont really seem to understand how either a. Playing high level ranked works. Or b. Playing high level ranked with high ping. Its extremely difficult to counter sans under these circumstances. But let me give you some creedance. If a character who can get a combo for free on people with high ping is allowed in the game, doesn't that make people with lower specs just... have a worse time? Like, old sans tele time was fine, he was an extremely strong character. Lets compare this to frisk, a character who I have *never* lost to outside of my starting gtc matches in ranked. Outside of ranked, I have fought maybe two frisks that beat me and that was due to pure camping. Frisk is pretty easy to counter, especially with fish The main issue is that *both* frisk and sans are broken. I have been in the top ranks since ranked *started*. Maybe *I* have bad ping, but I have such extensive knowledge of game mechanics to know that sans tele taking *half a second* makes undyne almost completely unable to counter, especially with higher ping like mine. So would you rather have a character completely unfair to a large population of players, or just have a slightly weaker sans (whos still one of the best characters in the game). You seem very upset :( how about you take a nap?

@@losereye i am b rank, its first, and second: if you can't cancel sans combo at all, don't di anything, let him do combo, and then do yours, never go to phase 3, atk doesn't affect sans too much, but you need more health, and my ping is 170-2000 Best is 170, regular is 300 bad is 600-800 worst 1000-2000

@Tabatya I dunno where you get off explaining ping to me, I know lower numbers are better. My ping fluctuates between 300 at late night, to around 6k depending on time and how many people are at my house. Its often on the much higher end, around 1k. With this, its extremely hard to counter sans. Most fights I can still pull through, but that doesnt change the fact sans gets a free combo off of tele every time. Its like ~50 damage every time. The fact that I can *still* win in that situation should be a testament to my skill when it comes down to it. I dont think I'm a bad player, though it is pretentious to say that. You came at my comment extremely dickish, and completely ignored most of my issues with sans (being the fact that him camping is extremely easy, paired with a free combo every like 20 second I think?) In favor of ad homonyms. I used to have extremely good ping, and it makes an absurd difference. *especially* against characters like sans. Not to mention, again for the fourth time, I was formerly a gtc main, and picked up fish during this update because of the extreme gtc nerfs. Meaning I'm still not the most amazing fish out there. But unless I just *predict the future*, sans can just punish fish easily.

RK 4 into lmb is actually true, you just gotta be frame perfect

@@diehard710 i have seen so many people just counter it though. i have 90-120 ping

@@edsddsdsds4719 even I think it can be pb but idk

@@itz_darkside5492 pb is basically parry but gives you stamina

by the time the combo is done he gets is rk4 back and its a cycle and that is a problem

​@@itz_darkside5492 (the nerfs that Diehard proposed are included)

@@enderlopez1883 the nerfs you proposed will kill him

​@@itz_darkside5492 Maybe, but you can't deny that it just isn't fun to watch a 45 seconds long combo everytime you get hit by a frisk main and i don't think it would make such a big difference the removing the big long combos due dmg scale

Hell no,asgore is kinda trash tbh,the moveset is shit and the superarmor is the unique thing that make asgore playable