V-Gate Motor - Does IT WORK?! 

After having tried this for years of my younger life I know that it does not work

I remember seeing these back in the day. Everybody seemed to be playing around with the idea. I was wondering, instead of lifting the magnet if you could just rotated the smaller magnetic sideways to allow it to skip.

You know how you can take two Faraday discs and orient them a certain way and connect a conductive chain around the perimeter of the two discs like gears on a bicycle. Well, what if you replace the principle of the chain with a metal table that has a gear pattern engraved into the face of it making a circle. Take four of your V-gate setups but have the matching gear pattern built into the white disc that you show. Set four of your v-gate discs in a square pattern along the gear circle in the metal table. Lean your discs so the tops of them come closer together. Probably at a 45 degree angle at most. This will give it more stability like a racing wheelchair. This part I'm going to not try to describe Because of complexity, the top piece that connects to the four discs has a little bit more gearing complexity but the end result is it's four turning motions on a motion that is overall turning the four. The rotating piece that is supporting the four rotating pieces aka gears that the large discs are laying into will have four arms coming off of it holding the magnets that you would pull away to overcome the resistance. If you do all your gearing ratio correctly, the four arms holding a magnet each will always be position stationary on a particular orientation to the face of each disc. AKA the magnet being held from the top center piece from each individual arm would always be held in place as the disc rotates the same way how you're holding it still to the same orientation you're just pulling away and putting to. So now you stage your four V-Gate discs doubling as Michael Faraday discs. And you offset them so you always have the power of three discs overcoming the resistance of one disc. So now you just tap the centers of each disk for your electricity. This should turn out to be self-starting non-stopping Faraday disks.

Can you get a load if power is increased. Not sure of the patent # but I put a lot of effort into Howard Johnson.. way before new magnets. It also shrinks gaps. But different again

I watched your video on the v gate motor. Would you believe I got a brainstorm moment looking at the rotation. Here goes, I you would take a large disk magnet and place it in a fixture with a coil piston connected to a crankshaft by a connecting rod. The piston placed between the disk magnet so the piston can move to just about touch the magnets and at the last second get energized to replace the piston which would make this item run really well. This idea has room to improve the design by using a Scotch Yoke which would have two pistons firing at the roughly the same time. This would give the battery way needed power assist to make the motor run for a very long time with the ability get power out. Hope you give it a try Tech Planet.

Why don't you use the gravity too? (but you need to add more weight to the gate side)

Very real and rational run down. Glad you highlighted the fact that theres no usable energy. Not sure what the one with a coil was trying to prove, it was powered from a bench PSU. One important fact though. For a true closed system that can power itself indefinitely, It would need to work in complete darkness at absolute 0K. Do ppl now see how impossible it is? Any other condition is being influenced via heat or solar and we are we down those paths. So when working on these projects make sure you illuminate all external energies. Thermal, mechanical, solar etc.

A 3 way v gate? 2 side gate and a pendulum stator magnet with stationary v gate at the edge of face,

I remember the original video, found it was fascinating as in theory it should work (I do know perpetual motion machines dont work) i just wish somebody would explain to me why wouldnt it work

Did you make this model yourself or bought it from somewhere?

magnetic wankel motor a variant of the Takahashi permanent magnet motor.

Maybe the motion could be transfered to a flywheel using 12 spd gears from a mountain bike.

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No. You need to modify the magnet. You can get rid of that resistance by redirecting the fields. Not enough energy in that for coils. Use steel

what about removing a row or two of magnets instead of pulling it away?

Really intriguing

What if you placed another disc, 90 degrees to that one. With a magnetic on its edge. This edge could be elliptical with the magnets in it.

Hello! I want to offer you a completely new concept of a magnetic motor. I'm currently working on a project.

Yeah, build it right so your magnets are MUCH closer together and it will run. You are wasting the vast majority of your magnetic torque thanks to the distance your magnets are from each other. Get them 1mm apart...like you see so common in motors!

Why do we care about perpetual motion without input? I care about perpetual motion with limited or free input!

The energy being put in is by the man's wrist. It is not perpetual, the laws of thermodynamics are still laws.

Hi James, Definitely, you put a lot of effort into this. But don't quit there, the best way to figure out these solutions is to dream and experiment with them and you will succeed. There are dozens of different versions of these magnet motors that have already been invented. Have you seen the video of a German guy who successfully made one of these V-gate M motors (The magnets were mounted on the circumference of the wheel) which was rotated at a very high speed? That was also very impressive. Here is one that looks very simple but it has to be tuned properly to work. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MT1YOifcyFA.html

Friend, maybe I've misunderstood you... or, perhaps you don't see it as I do. Either way, did you state, you can get it to run but not after APPLYING a load to it (positive output)? If so, then as far as I'm considering it, the job is done. Surely, if it runs... but you cannot extract a practicable or tangible/visible application from it for use, say, in the illumination of an LED... it is most certainly IN-MOTION and ALREADY outputting a force against resistance and/or causing vibrations and/or pushing atmospheric-air out of its way JUST to maintain itself.... You are simply asking TOO much from it. Use what it is already giving you.

Since 15 years, I have been dealing with angular energy electricity generation systems (R&D). My positive designs about angular continue. In this regard, my own financial means are insufficient, I had meetings with many businessmen, they accepted the financing of the project, but they gave up when it came to signing a protocol, that is, when it came to formalisation. If there is an entrepreneur who will take firm steps with me on this path, who is idealistic, has financial means and wants to make an official protocol, I would like to meet. 98% of the published videos are wrong and do not work. I know the mistake they all make.

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I think the obvious solution to the draw/torque would be to utilize a vgate generator or similar device to feed power to a storage bank in which would be used to draw from as per a typical storage bank; say with a solar system. There is no use-case in drawing power directly from the vgate device. As you said, it isn't suited for that and performs poorly underload if at all. Yet, when paired with the proper equipment, you can achieve high draw and high torque using a device such as a vgate generator to power a storage bank in which will be drawn from as stated above. This would be akin to an incomplete free energy device. As you mentioned, the gradual slow down and eventual stop in movement/generation is another issue but it can also be overcame using the collected power to re-initiate the starting process either upon or before the unit halts movement. Think of a windmill. You wouldn't use one to power a drill directly, but using the power generated and STORED from a windmill to power your drill is absolutely achievable. The potential of these overunity units are monumental at worst, but people have to look a few levels deeper in order to be able to fully accept their reality and more importantly stop ignorantly stifling the growth & public perception of devices like these and advancing their designs & usabilities.

you could let it charge up an electrostatic generator since it hasn't got much torque spare.

basically, it is not a motor. Just another unsuccesfull attempt at a perpetuum mobile.

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Nice art project. It might rotate but it won't do any WORK. The second you put a load on it it is going to FAIL.

It's almost like the energy to move the magnets in and out had to come from somewhere, no matter what the delivery mechanism. Physics 1 PMM morons 0. Again.

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