I dindn’t expect the Valeton could be so close to the real amp, because in the previous test the NUX, that has more advanced specifications but the same price, was less close to the real amp and with some artifacts that I don’t ear in the Valeton. Please compare the Valeton with the NUX and the real Marshall
Hi, actually I also want to do an head to head test between the NUX vs the Valeton...it would be pretty interesting...but I would like to try different amps...to diversify these tests! Thank you!
With your last 2 videos, we can clearly hear the limitations of amp modeling. As the JCM800 in the previous one, the real Vox AC30 sounds way much better. And in this specific settings, I found the Fractal doesn't justify such a difference of price with the Valeton. Once again, great video and thank you very much for sharing all this!
Always looking for your video. Thanks so much Sir All these amp modeling companies will have to be consulting you for inputs during the product trial stages. God bless your the work of your hands
Leo: I risk to keep making the same general comment on several of your videos and that's because I like them! :) But... Trying to make that experience to result in getting the same sound is very difficult by the following reasons at least: - The analogue path of the signal before the amplification (real amp) or ADC may not have the same response and gain; - The models may not be close enough (that's the part you want to show); - The final path (speakers and microphones included) may present significant differences between what was used during the modelling development and what you are using for the real amp sound. I believe it would be useful to try to get the same sound of the real amp with the modelers, even if needing to use other filtering blocks so shape the response before and after the amp. I am in the waiting list for an FM3 and I would like to see, not if it is a good modeler, but ultimately if I can get the same sound quality (or better) of the real amp.
Hi Antonio, thank you for liking the videos...It's really important for me! I see your point..there are tons of parameters we can change and tweak. I would just like to add that in my opinion getting the exact same sound of the real amp is important but it's not the most important think. For me one of the most important think is the level of realism of the modelers as regards the way they manage the envelope of the note and the dynamic range. This is, in my opinion, the focus of these type of videos. Thank you once more for sharing your opinion!
Great, comprehensive video as always. I think modeling has gotten to a point where it gets "close enough" that you don't have to spend a fortune to get usable tones. And my thought is that if it inspires you to create music, even though the tone may not be spot-on with the real amp, it doesn't really matter to your listener. God bless and keep up the good work!
Hi, thank you!!!! Thank you also for sharing your opinion...yes, gear should inspire us, this is one of the most important thing...I do agree! see you!
Hello all, it's amazing how well the Valeton GP100 has done compared to the Fractal FM3, which costs many times more! In my opinion, good tube amps are hard to beat to this day - but the modelers are right on their heels. I think in a few years you will hardly be able to hear the differences. With kind regards Mic from old Germany
Hi Mic, eine Sache die du dabei nicht vergessen darfst ist, dass die alle nach anderen Vorbildern gemodelt wurden. Ein AC30 war über die Jahre nicht gleich. Zumal es damals ja wirklich so war, dass jeder Amp anders geklungen hat. Dementsprechend finde ich es recht schwachsinnig einen AC30 welcher auf einem ganz anderen Modell beruht mit einem neuem AC30 zu vergleichen. Das einzige was da gleich ist der Name. Btw, gemodelt im Fractal ist der Handwired AC30 den man auch heute zu kaufen bekommt. Dieser klingt ja doch auch in echt sehr anders als der stangen AC30. Aber das wird sich auch mit fortschreitender Modelling Technologie nicht ändern...
@@marioruther6181 Hallo Mario, vielen Dank für Deine informative Antwort! Ich gebe Dir in allen Punkten Recht, denn als langjähriger AC30-Player, weiß ich sehr wohl, wie unterschiedlich diese Kisten klingen können. Bei meinen Favoriten handelt es sich um einen AC30/6 TB-Reissue aus den frühen Neunzigerjahren mit 1x12" Celestion-Alnico-Blue-Bulldog und 1x12" Celestion-G12H-Anniversary-Speaker, den mir Thomas Reußenzehn, als er noch lebte, etwas heißer gemacht hat. Zu dieser Kiste gesellt sich noch ein Vox AC30 Brian May Signature Amp, der ebenfalls für meine Ohren höllisch gut klingt, obwohl er in China gebaut wurde. Ich war im Besitz von einem Fractal Audio, aber der gemodelte AC30 konnte mich nicht überzeugen, irgendwie »schimmerte« er mir nicht genug und ließ es zudem an Transparenz fehlen. Ich bin zwar inzwischen auch »ver-modelt«, ziehe aber echte Röhrenamps diesen sogenannten Wunderkisten in jedem Fall vor. Wie sagte Thomas Reußenzehn immer so schön: »Man braucht keine tausend verschiedene Sounds, sondern nur einen, richtig guten Sound, an dem man dich wie die großen Player wiedererkennen kann.« Ich denke, er hatte mit dieser Aussage voll und ganz Recht, und deswegen werde ich wohl auch nie ein Fan dieser Modelingamps, denn es gibt im Sound eines echten Röhrenverstärkers Faktoren, die sich nicht »einfangen« lassen, und sei es auch nur der Hauch der Geschichte, der Nostalgie, die die meisten von ihnen umgibt. Mit musikalischen Grüßen Mic 🙂
The Vox definitely sounds better than the other 2, but not by much. If you only want to play a vox, then get the real amp. This may be the hardest amp to copy anyway except for maybe dumble. I love Vox, but also love Fender Princeton and Bassman, Mesa Boogie, Marshall plexi, Engl, Egnater, Hiwatt, Dumble, Dr Z, Orange, 5150, etc so I would go with the FM3 all day and never look back. By the way, I did not think your videos could get any better, but they are. Thanks for all the work you put into this!
Nice and detailed lml, it would be great that comparison beetwen Valeton and the Nux, it looks like the Valeton does not have those weird or unnatural artifacts. Thanks for the content, Leo :D
Interesting comparison and insightful review comments. The FM3 really shines in it's ability to easily and accurately model an amp. The Valeton was ok, but understandably, fell short of what the FM3 can do. Modern Multi-effects Processors are amazing. I doubt that there is a vintage amp that could "model" half of what even an inexpensive one can do. In my opinion, Modern Multi-effects Processors are the best way to get great sounding, interesting, unique, versatile tones at an affordable price on a lightweight unit and small footprint. At this point, is kind of like comparing a race horse and a race car. Each has its own beauty, appeal, and domain. YMMV - Thanks!
You should use the same speaker impedance curve on Fm3 edit speaker tab, as your suhr reactive loadbox it is like marshall green back 4x12, so try “4x12 brit greenback” or “4x12 basketweave” or “Loadbox LB-2 UK”,It should get closer to you Ac30
Good comparison. The amp handled the high frequencies much nicer than both the modellers. I thought the Fractal sounded pretty horrible in the high frequencies and the Valeton, less so, but still harsh. The time where a modeller would be handy for me is when I'm playing a very simple setup in a small space and only DI'd, playing a duo or trio setup. Therefore, the Valeton would be good enough for me.
Nice demo. It confirms modeling is far from delivering accurate tone, still too harsh frequencies on high and lacks of bass precise punch ones. For now I’m in love with the Kemper wich is pretty incredible, and mooer Ge Labs. Would love you to offer some Kemper profiles :)
Since the Suhr Reactive Load is based on the impedance curve of a greenback 4x12 cab you should go to the speaker tab in the amp block of the FM3 and load a greenback 4x12 impedance curve. That will help the model get closer to matching the sound of the real amp. I really like these in-depth comparison videos. Keep up the good work!
The difference between the amp and the modelers were quite big, the real amp sounded like it had a wider frequency spectrum and more open, the modelers more narrow an boxy. The real amp sounded much better especially when it was breaking up where the modelers could sound quite nasty even. This is not a video that would make me want to buy either Fractal or Valeton but rather a real Vox amp although i think they are quite unpractical and limited. Interesting comparison and great video as always Leo !
Valeton sounds very impressive for the price! Real vox is the best! Fm3 is the winner! It has little more distorted sound, but all harmonics are there. Valeton loose but sounds surprisingly close to real vox. Maybe external EQ can match it even closer. Is Valeton has the same amp modeling as ampero? Or it sounds even closer to real vox?
@@LeoGibsonGtr on forums people say that dsp algorithms of valeton and ampero are the same. The only difference are digital converters and ability to choose mic in cab block of ampero
CIAO LEO Io credo e resto dell idea che per quanto i modeller oggi giorno siano perfetti in ambito live ,avere il propio ampli a casa o in studio sia assolutamente obbligatorio per chi ama la chitarra... Il Kemper è comunque quel sistema che riesce a soddisfarmi sempre, in quanto in circa 2 minuti riesco ad ottenere pressoché il suono del mio ampli e o comunque del routing mic cavi preamp(a casa ho un neve73)cosa impossibile con gli altri di casa line6 fractal ecc
Great comparison! I agree with you about the note separation, in particular I hear some high-pitched artifacts in both the modelers. I don't know if anything else could be done to improve the sound. On the FM3 maybe tweaking the impedance curve or the speaker compression could help. But again, it's very tricky to achieve the same exact result in particular since you're using a load box. Very similar and usable, though! Cheers
I just received the Valeton and only after 20 minutes of usage…… BLOWN AWAY!! Sounds, user interface, build quality, setup ….. everything. Unreal value at ANY cost. And I only paid $100!!!
I think Leo did not understood well enough.. Blown away is a good thing, it means that user was pleasantly surprised. The unit did not explode! Lol, cheers!
Grazie Federico!!! Si, se cerco Leo Gibson su Facebook dovresti trovarmi...presto però di solito più attenzione ai commenti su RU-vid che su Facebook. Ciao
Thanks for a good channel. You dont get any feedback problems using a real amp in the loop of the paralell mixer? high squeeling sounds or hums? Keep up the comparisons.
@@LeoGibsonGtr Great to hear, I think im gonna get the ehx tri parallel as well! If you can, it would be cool to see a video of it. Of course I dont know if the interest will be that high but If I can use the tri paralell over lets say buying an ampete its an powerful tool indeed. Hoping to use 2 amps in one of each loops there. Cheers and best of luck Leo
thank you!!!! let me just say that the Ampete has much more to offer, for instance like the possibility to. connect different cabs to your amp...that the tri parallel does not offer. Thank you!
Hi my friend. Great comparison. I just have the Valeton GP-100 and I think is pretty good. Man I have a question, do you have a guitar method to buy online? Thanks a lot.
Thank you, I'm happy that you like the comparison! Actually not...there some instructional videos on my channel, that you can find here: ru-vid.com/group/PL5d6_Yq6oCrwnAizSBk75qSKMquvlvH7- I should do a guitar method...but I don't have time ... so far... Thank you!
Leo would you agree the GP100 reverbs are not great? If you palm mute or staccato pick they all have this underlying wash and also a predelay that no matter what I do is always there.
Hi Jay, yes, I do agree. In general I don't like too much the GP 100 effects, I said also in my review, here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-18QLA8UP9dY.html Thank you for your message!
The AC-30 emulation sounds distorted in a non-musical way even at low gain when you are playing softly, which I don't understand. I also noticed this in your NUX MG-300 video. Can you verify your EGX Parallel Mixer is not overloading the inputs of the GP-100 and FM3?
Hi, actually also the real VOX is connected to the Tri Parallel Mixer, with the exact same settings of the modelers. Nevertheless I will check out once more Thank you for your message and for sharing your opinion!
@@LeoGibsonGtr You're welcome. The input stage of the real VOX (or any tube guitar amp) should cope better with the (possibly) high output of the mixer, since the VOX is entirely analogue with a lot of "headroom", compared to the digital modellers.
I was going to say the same. This video the amp hardly has any gain and then both modellers sound way too gainy! I kept thinking as you were dealing them in “turn the gain down, turn the gain down!”
As Leo said..you likely couldn't tell the difference in a mix or certainly not live in stage. If you have the real amp, fantastic but why in the world spend so much on a modeler when the Valeton cost 1/6 of the FM 3 ? Take the $850 saved and buy a nice guitar
Non so se nel mix si distinguerebbe il valeton dal fractal. Non dimentichiamo che oggi il pubblico ascolta gli mp3 con le cuffiette del cellulare...p.s.: nota negativa, non c'è demo song da ascoltare :-) (vabbè, un po' alla fine...)
Ciao Roberto, nel mix penso farei fatica a distinguerli..Riguardo la demo song hai ragione...ma questi video sono interessanti (penso) e riesco a farli abbastanza velocemente, mentre le demo song richiedono più lavoro e tempo....non riesco ancora a farne più di uno a settimana...:) Graze per il commento e per seguire il canale!!!
You put too much work into these videos (: good job. In my opinion the real amp allways sounds better but modellers have their place too. They are great for making quick demos without the fuss of areal amp. I guess they are usefull in alive situation too, The crowd wont hear the difference and you save your back but for making a record there is nothing like the real deal. Enother point is that matching the tones is getting more and more useless cause we are getting used to the sound of moddelers so why bother matching? just get the best sound of the gear you have and you are fine. Thank you for your hard work!
Thank you for the appreciation of the video and for sharing your opinion! Matching the sound could be less important, but it is a preliminary step (in my opinion) to be able to check out the feel, where the dynamic response is pretty important (still in my opinion).
Grazie Luciano, mi fa piacere che ti piaccia il canale!!! E' una cosa che vorrei fare, ...dovrei fare due video, uno in italiano ed uno in inglese....ma è lavoro quasi doppio...ci vuole tempo... Grazie comunque del suggerimento!!
