Valve Removed Hats 

tbh if the item server was down for good I wouldn't bat an eye. If anything It'd be a good riddance to all the idiots who spent hundreds of dollars on F2P game just for a hat with a particle effect.

skill issue, someone doesn't have a funny hat@@discipleofdagon8195

@@discipleofdagon8195 Those "idiots" are probably the only reason TF2 is still running today, even with the little support we have. Wouldn't be surprised if they pulled support once it's not profitable

@@mtheoverlord7840 So appeasing valve by throwing money into the cashpit of a game that was marketed as F2P is the way to keep it afloat? Weirdest copium I've heard yet when valve has all the money in the world. Appeasing a corporation with microtransactions ain't the way to go.💀 Also posted 2 mintues ago and 1 like already? Nice one lil bro.

@discipleofdagon8195 It wasn't marketed as F2P. It started out as a paid game, then transitioned later in its life to a F2P game. If someone wants to pay money for cosmetic items in a game they support, free to play or not, then what's wrong with that? Also, what does the like on my comment have to do with anything?

How is that related in any shape or form?

@@Yoshi-Berryit would be a good idea for an April fools joke?

@@Yoshi-Berryit would make sense if English was your first language you’re under the age of 12

@@Yoshi-Berry related to what???

@SodaYoshi bro tryna act smart

Why wasnt anything except E available?

​@@DatChernobylGuy_ if you got mods, you can use d pad to say help, thanks, spy, and go go go

if i remember correctly, the little keypad you could plug into your controller was an easy way to get the other voice commands

How come they weren't available normally

@@Minecraftyoutuber27 not sure

The good old days. My buddy had a pc strong enough to play it. But my first time was in cp orange lol I also bought the orange box for 360 from a kid at school and had to bring it to a different friend's house because I didn't have Xbox live.

Reminds me of that Saxton Hale map on the intel desk in 2fort.

and it was from a time when cp still ment control points

@@dusk2308 4chan os older..

The two trains! Good old ctf_convoy. Some saxton hale servers still have it, but I havent seen regular ctf gameplay on it.

makes sense, it was from a time when there was no unlocks, right?

@@ArrowPandaFode Correct, Dustbowl is a launch map based on a map from TFC

Well, let's not forget you're probably talking about current day Dustbowl. Out-of-the-box Dustbowl was a nightmare for BLU because it so strongly favoured RED. Little changes like the small drop down at BLU spawn stage 2 and the stairs going up the walkway at stage 3 alley were made to help BLU out to prevent easy spawncamps and break through hold points a little more easily, but more often than not, a good defense still trumps an equally good offense in Dustbowl.

Nothing about dustbowls balance changes with unlocks. 💀 Its still free for defense always. Community servers will afk in spawn to let ppl cap so we can get stage 3. 😂

@@zebug4762all of dustbowl is still insanely red favored.

And you aren't as distinctive in general with everyone looking the same. Not obvious at a glance if you're disguised as someone they know shouldn't be there.

Personally I felt like it was a nerf to spy. Not being able to sense a players skill based off their cosmetics really hinders my sense on which fights to take as spy. But nonetheless i still found it really fun to play during the weird 36 hours of Down item servers :P

@@Adrenaline0413 Also Spy is kinda shit and needs the busted stuff like the kunai and Diamondback to get anything done.

​@@wadespencer3623 bait used to be believable

@@SpookyBalling Bait in what universe, I've never seen anybody NOT call the Diamondback blatantly OP.

Probably because of the Black Box.

​@@ch1ppychippProbably because that's 1/4 of their health. Fraction-wise, that's like losing 30 health as a scout

Crazy? I was crazy once

they put me in a pond. a pond with liquids. the liquids turned me crazy soldier_no_wait.ogg the pond one was with turned me gay..

This is why I main scout and secondary Heavy

Yeah, Valve could run a lent event. It's this time of the year, when we give up... hats.

I don't know, everyone who was talking about when it was happening was complaining because a lot of the unlockable weapons are really fun to play with.

Maybe Valve could run all-stock servers if items are brought back.

god damn it really has been 9 years hasn't

@dusk2308 TF2 came out 16 years ago. He was referencing that the game took 9 years to make.

@@Zeglexa he was literally doing the joke where you larp from that time. i.e. guys 2014 was 3 years ago :[

Dead joke

As a TF2 player I yearn for a world without ANY unlocks.

ngl ive had more fun with everyone playing stock these days

my favorite feature in wargaming games is the ability to turn other players skins off entirely.

i want hats. i just want quality control.

Not me, ive paid way too much money for them :(

Spy sense is a thing for basically any player that’s played tf2 for a while? If you have ample enough time to observe a teammate it’s very easy to spot a spy unless they’re trying their hardest to act. The problem is that enemy spies will always look at you. They can’t help being suspicious.

i..i think those spies are just really fucking bad at being spies 💀

​@@LowProfile0247 i think it has more to do with the game sense and skill level. good spies tend to stay in your peripheral vision, not drawing attention until you're preoccupied. if an enemy player is watching my disguise, 90% of the time the gig is up. ( i am just learning spy so this is more about my observations as a receiver of one too many backstabs )

Sniper is fair and balanced

Delet snoper

What are the chances of that??

Oh wow! I actually haven't noticed, thanks for pointing it out!

Classic matchup in TF2. You're just fighting someone when a sniper pixel from across the map in perfect safety kills you

It was very fun, other than the occasional dude that somehow still had their items..

@@GolfinhoVoador this would of been because they havent closed tf2 since before the server issues and or the item servers were semi functional in their country

These are the words from an incredibly deprived community lmao

@@GolfinhoVoador probably one server in the back of a lonely IT department walled up or something. bro's got hats till the buildings demolished

I have to admit that I did enjoy myself for the two days of tf2 og Not needing to look at god awful cosmetics was also a plus

No silly hats

nah its still ongoing.

of course the time I decided to take a break

@@TopEditorCoach as someone with like, 3 hats, I really don’t mind

@@Nerdtendo6366the only hats I have is halloween and alien swarm and rebuilt and drop item hat’s which is this fishermen hat and one for medic is the this on his hat and demo with a thing on his head

of course it would. we wouldn't still be with it didn't.

Shame hats and unusuals ruined it

Spent probably a hundred dollars on that game….

This is such a redundant comment 🤣

​@@christiangottsacker6932I know right. Who would reply to someone's comment just to say something mean. Such a redundant comment smh

Plus all kinds of QoL updates, like Pyro's air blast and Engineer being able to move buildings

@@mothichorror446 True I can't even remember pyro without airblast any more It's so necessary

*laughs in just not playing until the item servers came back*

It was so hard to get used to stock after playing heavy weapons guy with no socks on with the family business but i only use 3 shots until i have to reload, subclass, oh yeah i also can only play every saturday.

It's the equivalent of "he just has a good gaming chair"

Statistically, the people who invested a lot of time into a game are more likely to have invested money into it, therefore wearing hats means theres a higher chance they're more skilled. Doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be the case, but it does make sense.

don't wanna be too much of a 🤓but noob means newbie, not reffering to skill

@@paquixyz4000 People naturally get more skilled at things as they do them more, so being new to a game means you will be less skilled at it. Wdym?

@@LARAUJO_0 Of course, but what I mean is that the word noob isn't related to skill but to being new at a thing, but yeah it's a stupid comment lol

and then they took it straight away from us. Sigh...

Eh, back in MY day the Engineers didn't have their gunslingers, Heavy couldn't eat his sandwich, and demoknights didn't exist! The game was all skill! "Alright grandpa, let's get you to bed."

but filled with bots too

​​​@@jaredcondit9888 Back in MY days engineer couldn't pick up buildings, airblast didn't exist and blast jumping was wonky as shit... Yeah I don't miss those either.

@@JeskidoYTwhat country servers that has no bots like Canada or India or Africa servers do they still have bots

im so used to playing defensive with the cloak and dagger and yer that i suck with dead ringer

this is a sentiment i dont understand, how can the dead ringer be a crutch when its worse than stock? I'm not a big spy player and i dont use the dead ringer so maybe im missing something here

​​@@lt2660It's the whole "feigning death in a very unsubtle way" gimmick. A dead ringer cloak won't flicker if hit (at least, not for the first few seconds), so you're more likely to get away even if your "death" wasn't convincing. Meanwhile, a stock watch will always flicker if hit or bumped into, so you can't vanish so easily.

@@danbossofthedairymob7764 yeah but even without flickering and the damage resistance and the speed boost its still pretty easy to track a spy. In worst case scenario you might wait for the loud decloak, or even if they do get away they now have no cloak. Like sure, feign your death and get away. All you've really done is give yourself a shorter respawn because you're totally useless.

​@@lt2660 it sounds more like you usually go up against bad spies. Though i agree its not a crutch, all disadvantages of the dead ringer can be nullified if used by a decent player. Im not saying its better than stock though its just an entirely different playstyle.

Omg no way real

Sounds good, thank you Dane.

Cool

fr

Engineer gaming!!

I think I may have been in that match with you? Does the name NOOB935 look familiar?

@@elbabecerra3064 My Tf2 name is ShiverBorn. I was on the Shounic 100 player server. I might remember seeing a NOOB935 at some point.

daaang should have tried that. No Crossbows, Shields, Swords, or Huntsmans sounds like a completely different game. I'd guess the 'meta' would be Spy Heavy and Scout(?).

Imagine degroot with no demoknights. no skullcutters, booties, or anything.

It's been a while since I played TF2, and I'm just hearing about this, are the servers back up? Will I still have my cowboy engie?

By the hat, lmao

@@heatseeker9573… when items servers were down no one wore hats…

@@heatseeker9573Did you….watc-did you loo- Are you blind??

@@heatseeker9573 Bro..

@@heatseeker9573 please tell me this is bait. please.

A pug?

@@MrTAGGER88 pick up games

So wait are item servers still down

@@MrTAGGER88 you don't know?

@@divinegeneralbigragathey are up now

spy was nerfed tho, with less tools he is much more predictable

@@user-25352| Stock spy is already very nearly optimal, and the lack of cosmetics makes disguises MUCH more effective.

@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth stock spy is decent, but when enemy knows you're not going to ever deadringer nor stay perpetually invisible in some corner waiting for you to relax, it makes it easier for them. Inability to stay more hidden w letranger or play gunnier spy also hurts. (Knives are situational but lack of options is a downside as well.). For the lack of cosmetics, yeah sure everyone being the same makes disguise a bit better... but everyone is already used to spychecking so disguises aren't strong in a first place, so not much effect here. In fact I'm not sure if occasional "missing head" issue is fixed by lack of cosmetics.

@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworththe worst nerf of all was the respawn outlines / respawn wallhacks

​@@user-25352How are you going to benefit from the enemy not knowing you ringed when you already died fr? And how many people on the enemy team actually paid enough attention to know if you're running C&D instead of stock? Losing L'trange sure makes stuff slightly more inconvenient if you're bad at cloak management, otherwise the stock cloak time is very much perfectly workable. You don't have the options that gut your cloak time either like the C&D or YER. So nah man, the spy definitely got the better end of the stick here. There are also just less anti Spy weapons like the razorback, Homewrecker, AoE flares and Milk/Jarate. Spies also no longer have to worry about giving free uber for challenging a Medic at close range.

I also started in Dec. 2008, but on the 360 version, so I'm glad I got to fall in love with stock TF2 before it was too late. I've even played Hydro! With people!

I started in 2012 but it was on the PS3 version. I eventually played it along side the PC version as I didn't have full time access to the PC like I did with my PS3, so I have a very fond soft-spot for stock TF2. The aesthetic and "tone" was just something else.

I started in 2028. Don't believe me? Just wait.

That's exactly how chet falizek described it.

July 2008 for me, so just before the heavy update. I remember thinking it was crazy how medic and pyro had 3 whole weapons more than everyone else, and then when the heavy update hit and I realized they'd be doing it for all the classes my hype was immeasurable. The hype for the original Scream Fortress events was insane too, dropping everything I could to play. Nothing quite beats the excitement for the old updates.

Pffffft, you think Valve would ever apologize to us xD

@@duncanabrams7441 You know, you're right. My comment made them out of character. But I'll apologize for my ignorance.

Valve: The whole TF2 community: No, no. This has been some of the best TF2 we had in years. WE WANT IT BACK!

FR though this is quite silly. XD

@@RecklessBucket Lol. It was supposed to be silly. The only way I interact with this world is to make myself laugh and hope others follow suite.

Someone please tell me I wasent the only one who kept checking anyway. "sPAH ROUND 'ERE" I cry, as if ignorant of the frenchmans rotting corpse at my boots. Stock TF2 makes me look schizo.

Also pretty great for spies, since the lack of cosmetics makes it easier to just walk past the player you're disguised as.

Uhm a few hours? That’s for a few months at least now

I always forget that without deadringer they can't live again!@@Magicka24

No dead ringer, no kunai, no wrangler, no short circuit, no rescue ranger, no minis, no mad milk, no ubersaw, no banners, no sniper unlocks, no flare guns of any kind... it was perfect honestly.

im pretty sure arrows dont charge uber...

@@florinflorea3995 they do, but provide less charge per hp healed than a medigun. I know the crossbow used to actually build uber faster than the medigun, unsure if this is still the case after the jungle inferno change

​@@sleepydogboy5599 It doesn't give less charge, but rather its Übercharge build rate is affected by the same scaling that the medigun's healing itself has which allows for crit heals So while in practice most people you'll be arrowing won't give you the same charge as the medigun, it doesn't actually have *explicitly* less charge rate So if you ever find someone who has crit heals and is hurt (could definitely happen at like, the front lines of a payload defense round when someone's waiting on a kit to respawn or anything similiar), then it's still better to arrow them in regards to Übercharge building

@@ijre ​ I might be misunderstanding & have no clue if the tf2 wiki is accurate, but: "Healing a teammate with a syringe fired from the Crusader's Crossbow also contributes a small amount of charge to the Medic's ÜberCharge meter, but contributes less charge than healing the equivalent amount of health with any Medi Gun." This has been in effect since Tough Break, while the heal scaling mechanic from the medigun was introduced to the crossbow in Jungle Inferno. So if I understand what you mean, and unless the crossbow's base charge rate was buffed at the same time the Jungle Inferno changes went through, I believe the crossbow both gives less charge than the medigun and is affected by the medigun's scaling mechanic. However in a practical game I believe you're right in that it may still build uber faster in cases of crit heal due to its bulk healing and reload speed. But let me know if I'm mistaken or using inaccurate information

For those who don't understand the comment. He means for example like Heavy relying more on Medics, Medkits and Dispensers to heal. And Spy mains can't use their dead ringer to abuse the speed boost to trickstab, so they have to wait for their team to distract his targets and backstab the intended way more often (surprise backstabs).

@@damsen978 I think, much like how Fortnite has a Zero Build mode, this mistake should be spun into an official gamemode. No clue on a name for it, but it'd be interesting, and probably become decently popular.

No need. Server plugins can do that for us already. Like TF2rue.@@LumanareM

@@LumanareM Vintage mode? Or it could be a community mod

​@@LumanareMzero build is a bit different because its for lowering the skill floor for casuals

yeah i wish i played during it too. the game looks and feels cleaner with all stock, but at least TF2C exists

Yeah wish I made it in time, and thats the first time I wanted to come to a broken game.

I'm atually getting a Nostalgic reaction by seeing hatless/ tauntless/ stock players, on Maps nEw *and* old. However I'm also getting a lot of Fomo becase I forgor to play TF2 for 5 days.

Unintentional things like this are fun too! Destiny 2 has had a few accidental instances like the Laser Tag weekend or, more recently, the Craftening, that shook up the game feel in really wild ways that were an absolute blast to play around with. They even gave emblems to people who played during those mistake-events.

TFC was my first experience with an FPS

xbox 360 orange box tf2, there has been almost no updates to it, you cant even pick up buildings

⁠@@bmanb2099man I had the Xbox 360 I played in 2015 until I had a pc and I joined in 2018 or 17

Is this not just comp 6s lmao

oops they created a new game mode

​@fiendish9474 I hate how true that is. Like most companies games ban all engineer secondary weapons but stock, and ban the rescue ranger and jag, so you basically have to play stock.

this is not a good joke

@@grimmsoul3096no its a jerma type joke so its instantly good

@@udram47thelowercaseguy and what's a jerma type joke?

@@grimmsoul3096 come on, it’s a ok at least. Overdone, but a nice little jab regardless.

I hope they add characters next honestly

If it hurt not to use a specific weapon, I think it's a bit of a crutch. You should try to be fluid with play styles and weapons!

@@Sir_SquidWho’s to say they didn’t come to loving the Panic Attack through trying out everything and settling on the one option?

@@provaricus627 fair point.

Back to 2007

I'm already missing it. It was fun having stable fps and knowing everyone's loadout

@@k0metz590orange box vibes

Was engi picking up buildings and airblast 2007 or 2008?

@@blackholetlneither

S tier: medigun F tier: Fireaxe

S: Sniper, Medic, Demo, Scout A: Pyro, Soldier, Heavy B: Engineer C: Spy

@@DannyCheezits i would put spy up higher since only actually good spies would be out there, and those who needed dead ringer as a crutch would be unable to play it at all!

@@DannyCheezitsI don’t think spy is that bad unless you love playing Kunai spy + dead ringer because now you are playing a completely different game

@@WhatIsTheHeat Spy isnt that bad he's just fucked by gamesense and now you cant rely on gimmick items to escape spy syndrome

I would recommend trying stock and hatless/skinless as a heavy (or whatever's your main honestly). People will absolutely underestimate you and get themselves killed, it's wild.

is that fredda

Does that really matter? It feels that unlike dota 2 people don't give a shit about your cosmetics or hours played.

tbh i wouldn't be surprised at all if MORE people decided to play during that time

@@kainaris there was actually a big spike in players that day when people found out what was going on. I assume lots of old heads who wanted a taste of the old style TF2. It was lots of fun

just like vsh or zombie infection or mannpower, stock tf2 as a game mode would lose its novelty and die very quickly

I miss tf2 ps3 but there's tf2 Xbox so you can always do that

@@Gojo13201 I'm pretty sure PS3 grenade launcher still had 6 pipes while xbox had it nerfed to 4 because they got updates earlier. Crazy to think how early they nerfed it.

Wait can you show me the config?

​@@DrPeeperIf I had to guess: No Hats Mod with a Stock (or close to Stock-styled) HUD and a config that doesn't make the game look like it was released on the original PlayStation or GameCube.

@@mcmlii.v i think it's a config that makes it look like the original pc release only

@@DrPeeper There is no config, my latest video with the item servers being down is completely vanilla. I just did a lot of tweaking in the settings.

@@mcmlii.v my game is completely vanilla, no mods. The hud change is done by disabling the "Team Status Display" in the advanced settings, it turns the bar thing on top of the screen from displaying team status to the original round timer only.

personally i felt like pyro was easily the weakest class full stock

@@Nikkibuh Pyro may be stronger because healing is weaker. No Crossbow means fewer people even _want_ to play Medics, losing the Jag/Gunslinger means Dispensers are rarer, and no Sandvich. Heavy is a big counter for Stock Pyro, but Heavy is pretty nerfed under stock, so there are fewer Heavies. Which also means more Medics decide to pocket the Pyro instead, so big bonus.

@@koboldcatgirl Every soldier had a shotgun. I saw a decent amount of reflect kills, but honestly i never saw pyro do much of anything without being able to combo or even spam DOT at range with flares. There were definitely less engies and medics, but there were still engies around- and pyro can't do shit about sentries even with unlocks.

I had a lot of fun playing stock pyro. I had really undervalued the shotgun.

​@@Nikkibuhwell yeah, it's a team game, not every merc needs to be able to do everything, there are 3 classes partially specialised in destroying buildings, let them handle it.

That’s right we went back in time to the first TF2 to get HATS OFF THE MENU

We went back in time to the first TF2 update to get hats off the MENU.

@@defenestratorr goddammit I missed the update