Vampire The Masquerade Lore: Who are the Old Clan Tzimisce? (Dracul & Koldun) 

"In short, my childe, the Old Clan are just...they're just extra as all hell. Total drama queens."

I spent a significant amount of my neonate years in the land of the Voivodes. Though the horrors of the flesh wrought by some was beyond description, their power pales before the Koldun. I have met many sorcerers in my time, and none fill my immortal soul with such dread as the spirit-mages of the Tzimisce. I am forbidden by oaths of fealty and blood to discuss the details of my battle with a sorcerer of the Koldun, but I can divulge this: when I had defeated the Koldun I spent a century fighting, I refused the chance to diablerize her. Such is my respect, and healthy fear, for their skills. I did raid her library, though, and what a treasure trove it was. Should you need to travel the lands of the Koldun, or fall afoul of one of them, feel free to pay my domain a visit. I'll be happy to consult such an esteemed Ventrue, as long as my autonomy remains respected.

The gigachad Koldun have no need of factions, allies, or vicissitude. They were masters of sorcery before the Tremere even patched together their knockoff "thaumaturgy." They are utterly convinced of the paradigm of their own superiority... And I fear they are correct.

I always found it ironic that the main thing Old Clan Tzimisce have that separates it from the "main" clan is that they don't have or refuse to use Vicissitude, yet we have canon characters in the Ordea League, which should make them part of the Old Clan, that have Vicissitude listed on thier character sheet. Like for example you have Hedeon who is part of the Ordea League yet has Vicissitude 8 on his character sheet. That's why I have personally always head canoned that the rejection of Vicissitude applies for the Old Clan Tzimisce in the Tal'Mahe'Ra specifically and not the bloodline/faction as a whole, with main thing that separates them from the main clan being that they kept to the old ways of the Tzimisce and never joined the Sabbat or the Cam.

I love these guys. Old school dark lord vampires. Very Castlvania.

Weird how these two clans despises flesh crafting yet called themselves with a name usually associated with Vlad the Impaler, whom, if I do not err, was quite the enjoyer of such discipline.

Um... Am i the only one who recognizes the main hall of House Dimitrescu?

Ok the red armored one on the throne looks like the art for Walach Harkkon.

Another amazing video. You have quickly become my favorite VtM content creator. I watch your VtM lore videos almost religiously. Keep up the good work! Also, if you are in a VtM game and have room , let me know. I'd love to play with you.

I'll take Koldunic Sorcery over Vicissitude any night.

Thanks for the great video. Would love to see more. I'm particularly interested in the Setites and Gangrel. But all VtM lore interests me.

Because of their affinity for control and self-mastery, do those following the Koldun path also ascribe to the Azhi Dahaka, the Enlightenment of Tzimisce? It seems like the self-actualization philosophy matches the Tzimisce goal of transcendence through physical change.

My favorite of your vids! Well done!

Please give a run down of the Volgirre Variant of Toreador I am so intrigued to hear your narration of them

I though of playing a Tzimisce but he has truned his back on the old ways being a young vamipire. He was a medical student that was being watched by the Salubri to become the next of the 7. A Sabbot Archbishop desided to take him as his own hoping the medical knowlage would be useful for fleach crafting. He left the Sabbot with the second incosision. He has possed as a Salubri even crafting a third eye for a time. He uses his skills to help humans at risk of losing limbs with his viccitude

Out of curiosity is there any chance of learning more about the narrator's view on the Gangrel mariners

Vicissitude wasn't necessarily from The Antediluvian Tzimisce, but instead it was a crazed spirit in the deep umbra that attacked the methuselah Andeleon. In order to save himself Andeleon had to "diablerize" it, absorbing it into himself. I couldn't find any strict timeline on this, but it seems to have been after 500BC because that was when he helped the True Black Hand unlock the Guarded Rubrics, and after he learned Vicissitude the True Black Hand started hunting him. Another "version" of the source of Vicissitude is that Tzimisce uncovered it later on by way of Kupala infecting Tzimisce from within, and that this infection spread to many of the other Tzimisce, with The Old Clan being the ones able to resist this infection. Guide to The Sabbat is probably the most core/canon book that supports the idea of Vicissitude as a disease, so the idea that it's not from Tzimisce himself is still semi-canon at the very least. Having Vicissitude not show up until post 500BC would definitely put a very strong split through the Tzimisce Clan, and indeed it, did, currently most of the clan is Sabbat who use Vicissitude, while there is a smaller, separate minority of The Old Clan who tend to be Koldun, and who universally view Vicissitude Tzimisce as slaves to their Vicissitude. Tzimisce himself was a mage, so it makes sense that his true discipline was Koldunic Sorcerery, or maybe the ability to control the emotions of people they've blood bound? It kinda makes sense that the spirit-infected wielders of mutagenic disease would probably have kicked the crap out of the "land sorcerers" and driven them off to the fringes of existence. For the most part the lore on this subject seems to be very confusing and convoluted, that the lore dumps are most just options for how your storyteller wants to use this stuff, and that a story teller could reduce any or all of it be lies/propaganda, but that the lies/propaganda itself -IS- canon, and would at the very least, be a part of the Tzimisce Clan's political landscape especially when it comes to how Koldun view Vicissitude.

With your talk of mages it makes me wonder what you'll do when you run out of vampire sects? Will you talk about something else from WOD or just move onto another game? And if you do pick a different WOD topic will you keep this character or shift perspectives like to a hunter or a wraith?

Vicissitude. Vi‧cis‧si‧tude.

OOC: Any connection to the Ordo Dracul from (ugh) VTR?

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