Van Graffs & the Silver Rush Casino: the Family, the Crimes, & the Body Count 

Oxhorn they're the example of how free trade makes people act. Now I'm not saying if capitalism is good or bad but free trade is what the Van Graffs represent. If you look at the real world we had to restrict trade in some ways to keep it possible for new businesses to rise and that's not free trade.

"We have the best security" proceeds to have every good of her's stolen after the courier drags every item to the bathroom

I love how the guard outside is called Simon and you have to follow his instructions. Simon Says, anybody...

I wish there was a dialog option where you can respond "Um, I've had bad experience with 'simple courier jobs.'"

When Gloria said ill mark it on your map i got p.t.s.d. from Preston Garvey

Fun Fact: Gloria Van Graff is voiced by the same actor as the female Sole Survivor

We got stuff we're not allowed to sell people, only at Mick and Ralph's.

Fun fact: the actress that give Gloria Van Graff voice is Courtney Taylor , the same actress that give voice to the Sole Survivor from Fallout 4.

“More caps than you’d ever seen in a lifetime” *opens inventory* Caps: 9999999

I love the Silver Rush. First thing I do when I reach New Vegas is go in, Stealth Boy, and rob the whole store.

I'm greedy so I went in with a stealth boy, robbed the place blind, lifted the Van Graff key from Jean Baptiste, looted all the crates, and then proceeded with the quest like nothing happened. Only thing they had left to sell was that flamer on the table but the story progresses like they didn't notice their entire inventory just vanished and I suddenly had all sorts of energy weapons in pristine condition. So realistic lol. It made killing them all so much easier when I brought Cass to the Silver Rush. Good times in Freeside...

I actually think the whole "Stealing Cass' outfit and hat off her ashes turns the Van Graffs hostile" bit is a result of the mods you are using. Normally, it is not possible to get those items from Cass after she is killed, nor is it considered stealing from the Silver Rush if you loot her ashes.

I mean. If i happened to "accidentally" let the suicide bomber in... Thats not my fault. Rriiiiiiiight?

'I'm not worried about people breaking in here and stealing our goods.' >100 Sneak and stealth boy >STEAL ALL OF THE THINGS >Doesn't notice all the stock vanishing on the counter in front of her >Ok den

I still will never get why people say NV has nothing to do

"our guns are top quality" > guns on sale are at like 50 condition!

Fun Fact: Jean-Baptiste has 110 in Energy Weapons, making him one of the most dangerous enemies in the entire game.

I like that your criticism isn't the whole murder thing, but an economic argument.

If you have terrifying presence you can stop jean from killing cass

Gotta admit, I lost my shit when I let that guy into the Van Gruff's building and it exploded. I was already tired of taking orders from that dick outside so I purposely let in the undesirables to spite them. It would have gone unrewarded in most other RPGs; with maybe some bad reputation or an insult or two from the Van Gruffs... And then I get tossed 20 feet, literally at a loss for words before bursting out laughing! They actually let me kill an entire faction by just being a petty shit! God, I love New Vegas...

Simon: "Laser or plasma?" Me: "i prefer the superior power of frag weapons"

"Nothing feels better than a job well done" ~ Classic Oxhorn

Dear oxhorn Hi, thanks for responding to my comment on your sunset sassperilla Here is the request of the commenters - brotherhood of steel chapters -enclave history -us goverment -fisto -ceaser's legion -complete ncr, in chapters if you have too -posiden oil - general atomics -robco -tunnel snakes -nuka cola - companies stories Thank you oxhorn If anyone else has ideas comment Have a good weekend everyone:) (Thanks people for people who helps me spell it right)

I killed the van graffs to save class and wow that was a tough fight but that table of energy weapons was so worth it

I love how all the customers are Yuri Lowenthal lol.

There's a mod to save Cass with a speech check of thirty. It's lore-friendly and I recommend it to those who want to still have her in their company and still do Birds of a Feather.

I discovered your channel recently -- I am very grateful for the hours of excellent, entertaining, beautifully edited/structured/scripted lore analysis.

Oxhorn, the goddamn meme "A PERFECT SPOT FOR A MIRELURK DEN" that originated from one of your videos and has since then been present in all your videos' comment sections, infected other RU-vidrs too 😂😂 There's a comment under Graenolf's "Top 5 Barrels in Fallout 4" consisting of said Oxhorn-meme and it has a whole lot of likes, meaning a whole lot of people who also watch your videos got that reference. I think that is very cool

Came across your videos on my recommended a while ago. Have seen probably a dozen or so. I enjoy your voice as well as narration and style of video and level of detail. I've never been much for lore on games, or going deep into lore, but you're slowly changing how I approach that.Thanks for what you do, and keep on keeping on. :)

The Van Graffs lost me when they dared threaten my drinking buddy. I knew that middleman was from the Legion, could spot that superiority complex a mile away. I helped them to a point, but then eliminated them for what they did to Cass's caravans. Still hope you do a video on Oasis, but I bet that'll need to include a video on Harold the Ghoul before.

“We’re all gonna be rich” *gives you 1000 caps* AHAHAHAHHAH

My favorite part of meeting the Van Graffs is popping a Stealth Boy and looting all there weapons and selling it back to them It never gets old and let’s me enter the Strip super quickly from all the caps I make

I remember when I personally killed everyone in the place and looted everything on the shelves. My character specialized in energy weapons, and when I saw their assortment available, I just couldn't resist. They were criminals anyway.

Atomic Wrangler next Please? Come on down to the Atomic Wrangler we got Chihuahuas with hats on.

@Oxhorn- Hmm I thought you would've known about the 3rd option: You can use the "Terrifying Presence" perk to scare him into not killing Cass. It's a 70 check I believe.

I just spent 50 minutes watching a video about a minor detail about a game I've never played. I loved it. New sub sir, many thanks.

Just recently found your channel and I've been bingewatching all of it.. keep it up!

Whenever I see an Oxhorn video, I get a huge grin because I can't wait to hear his voice. Love ya, Ox!

You know the door guard position that opened up "recently" as in 2 seconds ago it is yours.

"Walkes out of building" Simon:welcome to the silver rush!

I was playing My character as a guy who was more or less morally good but the twist was He had no conscience, He is a sociopath that has been set on a more or less good guy path. Bu If I get somebody killed or murder people I get over it quickly so long as it as for the greater good. I was doing Cassidy's mission to expose the van Graffs and They asked Me to find Her (Not knowing I was already Her friend) and being naive and never have done this quest in previous playthroughs or even knew about it, I brought Her there thinking The guy genuinely just wanted to talk to Her, when He killed Her My jaw hit the floor lol It threw a wrench into My role play and changed the way I was playing My character or thought about it. Even if He has no conscience That would have to fuck You up inside to witness and for the sake of being under cover have to show no reaction for hours. I acted as though I had no reaction to it and just continued working for Them and got paid and went My separate ways leaving Them be for the duration of My play through but nearing the end when I was getting in all the factions good graces, I did a mission for the brotherhood that told Me to wipe Them out which I did without hesitation, I got My group of followers (multiple follower mod) and armed Them with the best of the best modified Guns and AR's from Our arsenal and went to the front door and wasted Them As They came running out the door and then went inside and tactically took out who was left and after that I packed up the Van Graffs entire supply of explosives,guns,ammo armor, you name it, I completely cleaned out everything They had and sold 85% of it to the gun runners since I'm not a plasma fan and Then for the sake of My groups arsenal I put the other 15 in our supply. Fuck the Van Graffs and their naive ass arrogance They ain't shit :)

Lol when I first got to free side I tried to rob the silver rush... didn't go so well... Didn't even get inside....

I'm sitting here with a pretty high hour count in this game alone, among all the Fallout games, and I didn't even once consider letting the Suicide Bomber in to see what would happen. Honestly this changes the way I look at how I can complete Heartaches By The Number, Cass's Quest. Thank you for teaching me this VERY NICE fight skip Ox. Keep up the good work.

Should have mentioned that Caesar's legion was also from Van Buren. The legion, NCR, and BOS in NV really show how to do past factions with new life. Where as the Enclave in FO3 was a poor rehash.

The Van Graff story and Cass' story can coexist. All you have to do instead of taking Cass into the casino, trade equipment with her and take her hat. Show the hat to Jean-bapdouche and bam, no need to kill anyone.

Everyone if you do the "birds of a feather" mission save your game before you search the last guy he is a bomber let him go in then when he kills everyone in there loot the place and sell The items you get it mostly everyone in there is wearing combat armor you can repair your own armor give it to your companion or sell it #Caps

this is why i love new vegas choices, you can either stick it to the legion at the cost of some innocent lives, destroy a legitime if unmoral trading company, or just ignore the quest after getting used to cass meanwhile on fallout 4 either im willing to die for a bunch of malfunctioning robots or im hitler

Hey Oxhorn, great video man. Just wanted to say thanks and show my appreciation for keepin the fallout content alive, I love fallout, NV being my favorite. Might I have a suggestion tho? Could you do in depth analysis of characters kinda like how you do of these factions and quests. I wouldn't mind having a full story of Cass' story or perhaps lily and other interesting characters

Ahh good ol nevada skies...

Love the Fallout New Vegas Lore Videos! Will you be doing anymore Fallout Lore Videos? As a person who never played the game it's extremely interesting to hear about the many stories I sadly missed out on.. you can only learn so much from The Fallout Wikis. Great stuff as always Oxhorn much love man! keep it up!! ❤ 💕 < 3

This was my faveroute quest when I first played the game. Good video, I like how you show literally ALL options.

I love these vids, the format of investigative journalism is really gripping. Its like a unique chopped up interesting let's play

"were talking more caps than you'd probably see in a lifetime." 3 words SIERRA MADRE CASSINO

Wow, I only just found this channel recently and went looking for this topic... and now he makes the video about it. I like the channel, the ability Oxhorn has to read my mind is a little scary but I think I can live with it.

I really wish they would do a remake of this game, It truly deserves it😉😉

The final mission of "Birds of a feather" reminded me strongly of the final quest that Salvatore gives you in Fallout 2. Considering that you are helping a crime family on an energy weapon trade done with the main antagonists of the game, the similarities come apparent. Just something I didn't see many people noticed.

She said, "I'll mark it on your map." Gave me flashbacks to Preston.

3:01 based on the cutted dialogue, that man is one of their employees that gloria have realitionship, but he cheated with one of escort in freeside

Thanks oxhorn! I've just managed to get to freeside, and i've actually wondered about them. Absolutly perfect timing.

I've just found this channel today and you sir have earned yourself another subscriber. Very informative videos about my favourite Fallout games.

These videos are done so well, I'd love to see you do elder scrolls lore..

In all my play thoughts I blow up there place

I had just a garbage day today, but watching your vids always cheers me up. Thanks for being such a cool dude

Dear Oxhorn,I am a fan of the Legion in New Vegas. I love there lore and RPing as a Praetorian in Gmod RP is one of the funnest things ever. I was wondering if you could do more Legion Videos in the future that would be much appreciated! I haven't played through the whole game yet so I don't know if there is much to do with the Legion but if you could do more videos on them it would be great! Thanks! A Loyal Subscriber

Boy finally... Hey... what you lookin' at??

"Shifty eyes" Yeah more like no eyes.

I wish the van graph had a full guild line. They were my favorite group!!!! It was this quest that made me love plasma weapons

There should have been an option to lie, and say Rose was either dead or out of the area (speech check). So you can keep Rose while finishing the quest. Also, it's actually really easy to steal everything in "The Silver Rush". Just levitate everything into the bathroom, shut the door and crouch so you're not detected, then load up, and walk out without a care.

Hello again! Great video as always, in response to your question: I have mixed feelings on the Van Graffs, I have no idea what to think. Can we expect a video on Old World Blues any time soon?

I need more fallout 1 and 2 lore I'd love to see a video on Goris, an intelligent Death Claw please consider doing.

I really love your lore videos, and you have the perfect story telling voice.

That was really cool. I've never seen that quest line to its conclusion before. That one little thing always stopped me from even playing it with the idea of reverting saves.

the first time i played new vegas i was excited to visit this store because alot of their product was on the shelves. I would always steal things off the shelves. One day i walked in, grabbed a laser rifle off the shelves, loaded it, and killed everyone in the store. Robbed everything i could, took all the armor from the guards. I'm very proud of that moment.

Hey, if you get the "save cass" and "heartache by the number" mods, you can follow both quests without locking out the energy weapon store or a companion, and do it in a way that actually makes a decent amount of sense

Another great video can't wait for the Cass video you promised I honestly love her story and I can't wait to see it narrated by your amazing voice.

28:48 - 29:00 this gave me a good chuckle the way oxhorn delivers his lines and the response from Baptiste 😅

Hi oxhorn! I would love to see a video about the white glove society!

Finally. Thanks for this Ox!

love your wrap up commentary.every time.

No disrespect but your videos are amazing I fall asleep so peacefully to the sound of your voice and the interesting fall out stories it’s like your reading me a bedtime story!

“I’ll mark the location on your map.” Now where have we heard that before?

IM OXHORN AND ITS TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE HIDDEN MYSTERIES BEHIND MY BEARD

I always did this quest after getting through all of the side quest for every faction and getting their safehouse. Then I would betray the Legion if course. But anyway this quest was so well done when you actually go through the quest with them.

I started binging your Fallout New Vegas videos with Boone’s lore and exploration. I have to preface that FNV is one of my favorite games, and I almost always end up with Boone as my companion. I hadn’t taken the time to go through every option and sus-out all of his story fully through the dialogue options, so that was wonderful. I’ve gone through with Cass’ companionship as well and have had a hard time navigating the Van Graff family seeing as I always love to play using energy weapons. This journey through your videos has been amazing. I also want to thank you, Ox, for having shared such an empathetic yet logical analysis of the character choices in the game. I’m absolutely looking forward to perusing more of your content

You know, I shoplifted from the Van Graffs using real life shoplifting skills

44:00 This is why Gloria is my favorite Bad Guy in New Vegas. She's cold, ruthless, savvy and smart. She knows how to play the NCR to her own ends. But most importantly, after learning of the Legion's reputation of screwing over people, Gloria knows better than to think an exception would be made for her somehow. Yes, the Van Graffs have done evil things. They have murdered people just for being in the way. Yes, Cass could be murdered by them, too. But when the option comes, it turns out it's best *not* to kill Gloria or Alice McLafferty. Gloria shows why she's like a noble demon. All things considered, she's not bad to work for. As long as you don't piss her off, she'll have your back and pay you well. But if you help Cass kill Gloria, Cass becomes something much, much worse. No really, that ending terrified me. Who knew taking the crown of "The Baddest Bitch in the Mojave" would be not a good thing?

I appreciate this. Lots of work into these videos. Three thumbs up. 👍👍👍

Apparently there was a big chunk of dialogue cut from the meeting where it explains who the lucky weapons tester was. I have mods installed and one of them seems to have added the entire interaction back in.

Great work as always.

It's a shame that van burden was cancelled.

Oxhorn I gotta ask, is there any way to get some of your older shirts that the campaign is over for?

I like the rain storm. adds so much atmosphere

A perfect spot for a corruption den

I like Cass too much to complete this questline :(

Honestly, I only do the Van Graff mission because it gives you good armour and weapons early game, as well as a load of caps to get into Vegas without doing the long missions. The Van Graff missions are the best missions for early game characters.

Oxhorn I been a big fan of your channel well I'm getting back into loving your channel when I didn't have this one I'd watch you all the time I love your videos and keep up the great work! :)

Fun fact, there's a few mods that can restore a little bit of cut content here and there, most notably the Unofficial New Vegas Patch. Upon entry to the Silver Rush, the meeting goes as usual-- However, instead of the victim of the execution being kneeled out in the open, he's instead brought out in response to Soren's demand. The command to do so happens after Gloria excuses herself from the conversation, before explaining the man's transgressions. She says that he was a Van Graff guard, but had been caught embezzling money from the company. Jean-Baptiste opens fire, and the scene ends as it usually does. I'd recommend checking it out, since it makes the scene much more menacing, and gives it a little more narrative "oomph".

I'd love to see a video on Arcade Gannon

I love the missions for them and it's a good way to get good armor at a low level but they aren't a good merchant for laser guns. I only use them for easy caps and fun missions. Mr Soren is right when he says the quality isnt up to standard

At 35:29 There's actually a third option if you have the terrifying presence perk that'll just end the conversation without starting combat/getting Cassidy killed. But it's basically just delaying the inevitable because it doesn't resolve anything, talking to Jean just starts up the same dialogue.