Van Halen - Act Like It Hurts (Unreleased, 1980) 

A lot of their songs minus She's the Woman are ON their albums. The titles & lyrics are different.

I saw Eddie give a tour of his 5150 studio for a guitar magazine or something and he showed them the hundreds of reel to reel tapes of music he had recorded but never released. No telling how many other gems are on them.

@@MadChiller wow! I hope it all gets released!!! 🙏🙏🙏

I saw a video and he said how his archive of ideas HAD been semi categorized, but the computer it was on fried. So it was only in his head, and he just had to get around to organizing it. (my memory of that is very loose, it's been awhile since I saw it) So would Wolfgang be the most likely person to be in charge of any unreleased demos to be shared, if that ever even happens?

Yeah, Wolfgang said don't hold your breath. He said if his Dad didn't let it out he ain't either.

@@williamlangeii4012 I understand what he's saying, but I still kinda hate it.

Prolly why it never made it

Fair Warning was rich in bass too. Remastered VH albums are killer, now.

F.U. C. K. Album It’s everywhere

mandela effect? Mike has always been prominent in mixes , in fact the first 2 albums Mike encompassed nearly the entire right channel Listen to "dirty movies"

Ummm...Push Comes to Shove...hello?

Dude, She's the Woman was written IN the late 70's.

I have a feeling that eddie would have told Michael to simplify his bass parts for this song if VH were actually gonna release it. I'm going by what Sammy said regarding Eddie and Michael's professional relationship. Just speculation of coarse haha but I agree the bass parts here are kinda proggy in a great way. Great phaser? tone too.

@@totigerus Yeah, it's a lot more than just what Sammy said, in the 5 part Van Halen Fan Made 1984 Documentary (really well done!) Eddie dished Mike Anthony all the time, he would say stuff like Mike is just an average player & I (EVH) had to write his bass solos. Before the 1984 album came out, Eddie made Mike sign a document stating that he would get none of the royalties from the 1984 album, because as EVH said, he contributes nothing! Mike had no choice, either sign the doc or get kicked out of the band! EVH was harsh on him, & everyone said that Mike is the nicest guy you could ever meet! Check out the Doc, its all in there. Here's part 1 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-arohd5umLgc.htmlsi=EFgBf0C34CrRdq0x

Man,I hope they release another album or two, you know they have it in a vault somewhere. Eddie lived in the studio literally, no doubt there's a gold mine of new old music that we've never heard. js imo 🇺🇲💪🎸🎤🎹🥁 miss Eddie and Van Halen. The world just isn't the same.😢❤❤️‍🩹🙏✌️

Well said my friend! I understand there are tons of unreleased music, Alex is the one holding it up, for some reason. I've heard Wolfgang & Sammy both say they want to share it with the world, but Alex, who has final say keeps saying no!

Not sure Mikey played that bass. Eddie recorded a lot of the bass lines and typically he did the more technical ones.

I agree .Mike's bass lines volume has always been turned down to a extent to where everything else was drowning him out

@@johnhagan582 That's what you get if you have Eddie and Alex in your band I suppose . Sounds better with the Bass a bit higher in the mix to me though . I've lost a bit of respect for the brothers Van Halen after that whole episode with Mike and also Sammy

Me too , a band should be a band

Makes me wonder why it wasn't. Hmm.

Makes me think that Eddie is playing bass on this.

Imagine with Eddie owning a studio how many songs that were never finished or never released or just stuff her was messing around with probably literally hundreds of songs. And Wolf and Alex have possession of all of it.

Hell yeah! Or even Fair Warning.

Where would you place it among the songs? Just wondering. A side or B side?

@@Gravyballs2011From what I’m hearing, This is “A” side meat 🥩 all the way!

@@Gravyballs2011 It would be a good 1st song for B-side or possibly the last song on the album.

I know but Alex s SOUND is very distictive as well.

​@@jonblackers4339of course you're 100% correct. The brother chemistry was some real magic. Alex is a badazz

Michael Anthony's bass playing is just all-over-the-place KILLIN' IT on this track! Listen to it again with and focus on his playing . . . superb!

@@crosslink1493Yep. It really makes me wonder, yet again… *WHY* was the bass always buried/dumbed down in the final mix on all those albums? I mean anyone who’s seen VH live knows what Michael is capable of. He can really play those 4 strings, and deserves to be held in the same regards that his bandmates were held in (with their respective talents). Instead they just pushed him so damn low in the mix that if you strain really hard, you might be able to make out root notes. I never understood the reasoning behind it.

@@Shikta-poobah67lars must’ve had a say

Me too. And I remember reading an Eddie interview in a rock magazine in the 80s where he said Mike sometimes wants to really let loose but he(Eddie) has to tell him to just hang back. He said Mike was an incredible player and people don't know that. I remember that article clearly, and man, do I wish I still had that quote still lol

Especially since Anthony's previous bandmate in Snake, Tony Codgen (Guitars) said in the "Van Halen:The Early Years"-documentary, that it was 'Eddie' that came up to him one night at a show Snake was playing, when he and Roth were looking for a bassist, and said to Tony "MAN! That guy is f**king GOOD! Does he play guitar?" Nah, those rumors gotta be false. Mike Anthony was probably forced to 'underplay', by Templeman maybe. Then again, if the bass gets 'too' busy in a mix, and the 'busy-ness' isn't 'adding' anything to the particular piece of music being played/recorded, then it just becomes a painful distraction. Most Bass players know this. But what was done on this track by Anthony was 'adding to' the sound of the track, in a 'good' way. Like what Geddy Lee did for RUSH songs. Those are the level of Bassists I'm always looking and listening for, and want to create songs/music with. And I agree, there's gotta be 'MORE' stuff like this! Will be up to Alex and Wolf to dig it out of 'The Vault', and release it, I reckon.

This is just not the case .I don't believe for a minute that Eddie needed to school Mike as wat to play .the first time Ed seen Mike in his band Snake 🐍he was so impressed with his playing and lead vocals that Mike took on while in this band made Eddie approach Mikey about joining their band .so had Mike not been a great bassist he would have never been asked to join

I don't know why Eddie said that. Maybe he resented Mike and lashed out. It was definitely a lie, though.

I’m pretty sure Ed meant to play it the way HE wanted it played.

Same here...love it!

Same here, love this! I can think of a couple other songs from VH albums that I'd trade for this to have gotten made into something.

It probably didn't. I smell AI at work here.

An all instrumental album would have been awesome... give Roth and Hagar some bar time together... lol

@@gregparker1012what would give you that impression?

Why didnt they put it on Fair Warning?

Wow. I also heard foreshadowings of Fair Warning on this one. How about Mike's flanged bass? Reminiscent of the intro to You're No Good on VHII.

Sounds like a lot of ideas that ended up on ‘Women and Children’and ‘Fair Warning’.More please😀

I agree...this sounds like a Fair Warning track however am I hearing hints of Romeo Delight 1:25-1:45? Whatever it is...damn good stuff!

Ed is probably playing the bass on this recording.

If that was Mike playing, they would have already had the bass buried in the mix 😀@@philfrank5601

@@philfrank5601 As much as I am a huge fan of Mikey, this does sound like Eddie's handiwork on the basslines here.

Yeah! That intro groove was really funky feeling for VH. Love it. I wish they'd have invested in this one for an album.

Agree...I can also hear the outro of Up For Breakfast at 3:16

In our lifetime please 🙏

It's in the Hands of ALEX VAN HALEN

It's all in the hands of Wolfgang. There is an interview where he goes on the record to say that there is thousands of hours of tracks in there. Enough for dozens of albums. Last I heard Wolfgang has been going through it slowly. The problem is, it will literally take years to sift thru it all and find those gems.. Which I am sure they are there. Look, if there isn't going to be a tribute show, maybe an album of old stuff could get released. Just sayin.

@@Greatsky yes , you are right, but Wolf is doing his thing right now and it may be years before he decides to dig into the tapes and find the prizes, also, his dad didn’t label the tapes so it’s going to be hard to find the good ones, better hire a good engineer to work on it

Wouldn’t be a bad thing if they were reimagined under Wolfie’s label.

Same here. I’m very familiar with most of the bootlegged, unreleased/outtake stuff from the super early days and the first four albums era (1974-1982), but this one is brand new to me. I’m a bit baffled too, because this isn’t just some half-baked lo-fi demo. It’s professional studio sound quality. I’m guessing it’s from either the WACF sessions or the Fair Warning sessions. It sounds fully arranged and developed, aside from missing a vocal track. This period of VH has been heavily bootlegged and scrutinized through the years, so the fact that I’m only just now hearing this, or even knowing of it’s existence is perplexing to say the least.

I think maybe Wolfgang is slowly releasing some of the thousands of unreleased studio tapes Eddie kept in his 5150 studio. He had and entire wall of thousands of tapes of recorded stuff he had accumulated over the years. It would explain why there is no vocals. @@Shikta-poobah67

Sometimes it’s best to just let the music do all the talking.

Change 3 to 1... and you nailed it!

I love Eddie. I think he is the greatest rock player ever. But you can't say he's the best electric player because rock is only 1 style. Plenty of great players in jazz, fusion, country. Like Allan Holdsworth or Albert Lee, Wayne Krantz

EVH took electric guitar playing and tone to a place nobody else would have….in fact when you heard it the first time it was obviously new, different, uncharted and almost incomprehensible- I had no clue what was going on - all I could do was grab ahold, hang on for dear life and hope not to drown. Nobody will ever capture anything like he did and I say that with the utmost certainty. Nothing has come close….he was a true wizard, a gift from God and never to be imitated or eclipsed. Not only do I pity those that think they are good because they try to copy something they did not create, I laugh at them because they are missing the whole idea. EVH was EVH and nobody else….and he allowed himself to find his own way and that is why we all revere him as we do.

@@joerectifierI agree. But Eddie sadly couldn’t play with anyone else. He just didn’t fit in and used the same licks tirelessly. Just my opinion, cheers.

He is all three

Well, as far as that last bit goes (the thrill of buying the latest album as it hit the racks), those days ended for me in ‘82 when Diver Down came out. That was the first time I remember ever feeling let down by a new VH album, but it happened again not much later, when 1984 came out (though 1984 was an improvement on DD)… and then Van Hagar became a thing and I just quit buying the new albums. However yes, I do find myself getting a bit nostalgic for those days during the first 4 albums, when I couldn’t wait to get home, tear off the cellophane, pull out the record, smell the jacket, slap it down on the turntable, and blast it at max volume.

Yeah we all miss Ed Big time ! This really sucks he’s no longer with us .

Same here. The production, sound mix is way off the mark. Ed's guitar sounds like it's bleeding through the bass track.

Is Mike putting the bass through a flange at one point ?

Superb…and UNORTHODOX.😊

I don’t know if Mike is on bass here. Ed used to record a lot of bass parts himself (as many hard rock band guitar players do).

@@WhyTheHorseface I thought this was recorded Live though (as opposed to Ed overdub playing both the guitar and bass at different times separately). Although later on Ed definitely was recording the bass for himself…Like on the VH 3 album in 1998….and on the three Best of both Worlds tracks in 2004 ….And even in Jas Obrecht’s old tape interviews of Ed you can hear him playing ‘bass parts’ on guitar and telling Jas to imagine them an octave lower.

That’s great! I wonder how much of that material would include full-band recordings versus just guitar or just bass and guitar, etc.

I concur

I recognized the House of Pain riff on my first listen. Now to go back and hear the rest of it.

And if you listen closely at the 3:16 that riff ended up at the end part of the song UP FOR BREAKFAST which Hagar butchered with his stupids lyrics

The riff at 1:26 is slightly similar to that part in House of Pain , but not quite. It is actually the same riff as that short intro of the main guitar solo in Get Up. Listen to Get Up starting at 2:42. It is sped up considerably more than the original version here.

@@adamgess5321 wow very close! Nice catch

Better send it to Sammy, at least he can still sing and write.

​@@anakina1have you heard Dave's music lately? He can definitely sing and write still......its a Dave Era song , wouldent sound right with Sam

We have ..it's called honeybabiesweetiedoll

They probably wouldn't make the production costs back. Don't fool yourself. There's only a (relative) handfull of people out there that give a shit about this sort of stuff.

I was hearing that too.

Absolutely

Has a "Mean Streets" feel.

You never know, he just may have. The studio was behind his house & there may be tons of recorded music collecting dust