My last video seems to have been infested by sectarians, so I figured it's time for another anti-sectarian song. Performer: David Rovics Year Recorded: 2002
During the Revolution: "I never thought I'd die fighting side by side with an anarchist." "How about side by side with a comrade?" "Aye. I could do that."
@@insertnamehere1983 What about the ukrainian national revolution (lets not talk about what happened after the USSR got involved) or better known the spanish civil war?
@@GenosseHillebrecht the Ukrainians were anarchists, then the communists in the USSR backstabbed them twice after pretending to do leftist unity to fight the Whites, the Spanish civil war was also filled with infighting, there were 3 different factions within the left and the Stalinists purged the other two instead of focusing on the real enemy, the fascists
@@milascave2 Okey but by Stalin and Lenin no simple people fighting against capitalism as communists or anarchists, not only anarchism but all communism was crushed by Stalin, because you cannot be a communist at the same time believing in the idol-stalin
It is a sorely needed message. We all need to work with fellow leftists who disagree with us. Because any leftist who agrees with you about everything is clearly a cop. If we can’t get past differences it’ll just be you and a bunch of CIA agents at every meeting
avoiding any arguments in the comments, can I just say how great the visuals are on this video? not only aesthitically pleasing, the red and black in the background slowly moving from a diagonal to a vertical divide is a great way to show how the singer divides the left into people who agree with him and those who don't. It's honestly great symbolism.
As a new leftist and someone who loves the sparks that fly of *productive* cooperation and collaboration, I hope to be someone with an open mind to work with all who are for the equality of all and who are against capitalism. I won't ever budge on veganism, but I will work with others who may not at this time understand it. Not that I think I'm better than others, it's just what truth I've found in life. As long as everyone is for a common goal, then hell yeah I'll work with them.
The power of the left is that we spend our time sharpening our claws on eachother before heading for the real enemies. It's kind of like allied war games.
there are 16 socialist parties reasonable man: "16 that is far too many all fighting over petty differences you know what I'm going to create a party that unites the left and we can finally fight capitalism as a unified front" there are now 17 socialist parties
As an anarcho-communist, I’ll support every movement left from social democracy. Every left-winger who seeks to abolish capitalism is a good one to me. I acknowledge that Marxist-Leninists have achieved a lot in the past, and that is why I usually defend the USSR (which is often discredited due to the propaganda in capitalist nations). Personally, I don’t need my own utopia 1:1, I can discuss and move towards other people - unless, of course, those people are pro-capitalist.
Whilst personally not a communist, I agree with you. At this stage, I think we need to try to show both maturity and respect to anyone seeking to create a more egalitarian, just and free society (be them Social Democrats, Syndicalists, Anarchists, Communists etc etc... classical libertarians and socialists of all kinds). We need to look more at what we have in common, than our differences, and learn from past mistakes, for the sake of the world and it's people. The threat of nuclear war and climate disaster is escalating with this excess of corporatism, capitalism and authoritarian tyranny. Once we see the move to a brighter future, then we can discuss and debate directions for our societies at a truly democratic level, governed by the proletariat. But until then, I think a united front is required. We are the ones sent into pointless wars, the ones shot for protesting, we are the masses, the 99%, ordinary families, and workers. We constantly lied to, exploited and subject to a growing dystopian future. I think together, united, the left has a chance to push back the tide.
That's why I think we have to work together to abolish capitalism. And then we can go seperate ways if we want to. Every ideology gets it's own commune. We all swear to not attack each other and support us when needed. We seek to work together as much as possible without forcing us to anything. For example as a Luxemburgist I probably would get along with Anarchists pretty well. I would have my troubles with Stalinists but they would get along with Maoists (more or less). When everyone has his own communal part with his ideology present I think we wouldn't need to attack us. I don't think that we all could live in one regime happyly ever after. That's not realistic. But in different communes I think this would be very possible.
@@josephsmith9724 I mean, just look at the constant battle between liberalism and conservatism, or fascism and liberalism, but also anarcho-capitalism and 'beltway' libertarians. One-nation nationalists and neoliberal internationalists, etc..
Left Unity is important. Although there are many differences between Marxists/Anarchists, Trotskyists/MLs etc, we have a common enemy who I much more powerful than any tendency alone, even than all of them combined, perhaps But, there are leftists who supported Milosevic?
Camrad Frang Oh come on, Milosevic? He was nothing but a Serbian nationalist who just wanted to expand Serbia's power and whose actions directly led to the division of Yugoslavia. Then he opposed the independence of the new countries, which led to one of the bloodiest conflicts in the Balkans. He, alongside Croatia's leaders, couldn't let the Bosnians be independent but wanted a puppet and thus started a bloody war on ethnic and religious lines, the worst kind of war. He was responsible for many massacres and allowed Greek fascists to fight with his troops and participate in ethnic cleansing campaigns. He is a solid rightist, there is no question about that. Dominance of Serbia was his priority not the unity of the people of the Balkans. The US shouldn't have bombed Yugoslavia. But Milosevic was,perhaps, among the most responsible for the break-up of Yugoslavia and the wars that followed.
Nick Dragonson You are absolutely right, sadly some of these people are too stupid and completely blinded by their ideology that all they can think is anti imperalism. I suppose you same idiots were against the destruction of Nazi Germany since you care more about muh anti imperalism than actual human lives.
Camrad Frang Not at first. And the USSR was allied with the major imperialist powers of the era at the time. And used such an alliance to secure land and extend their sphere of influence. But anyway, why the hell is Milosevic a socialist? The man was as rightist as they come. Nationalism, "Orthodox brothers", ethnic cleansing, supporting fascist paramilitaries and turning a blind eye, at least, to the massacres that occurred. Both Serbia and Croatia had submitted to rightist nationalism and wanted to expand their power, people be damned. I don't see any socialism in that.
Camrad Frang He was a fascist. Anyone who doesn't know or can't see that is totally ignorant and oblivious to the political and historical events during those times. The situations were similar in the way that they both invaded other countries and committed a number of atrocities to innocent people. Genocide/massacres, mass graves of civilians it's all well documented.
@@herramirtsaaja9032 that or you're too pussy to get some comrades together and actually start the revolution. Then the others will join. Go on be the first steps. Me? Well I just like the music, I don't really care
Remember kids, no one is correct on everything, and that’s why we need to work together and agree to disagree on everything but the key principles and goals
@@ipadair7345 the problem with terms such as Authoritarian or Libertarian is that they don't really mean anything because of how ambiguous they are. Authoritarianism much like the term tankie can mean literally anything the user wants it to mean be it "authoritarianism is when the government does stuff" or "authoritarianism is when something I don't like" without much of an indepth analysis or even a solid definition to be applied. Mind you, Makhnovshchina had secret police. CNT-FAI had labour camps. Yet both of these aren't seen as Authoritarian. I personally think something more appropriate is rather than saying "authoritarianism", say "the exercises of authority" and then going into more detail. For example the usage of the NKVD and KGB in the Soviet Union would be a exercise of authority that you could make the claim was good or bad, same goes for Catalonia and Makhnovshchina. Bottom line is buzzwords don't mean anything, which is why detail should always be accounted when criticizing almost anything. Be it if you're criticizing MLs or Anarchists.
I got a list of active socialist and communist groups in USA from a jacobin magazine. I called every single one and tried to attend meetings for every single one, in Boston. Workers world was the nicest, most understanding and open to individual ideas. Also workers world talked about unions. Socialist party USA was good but only 3 members. Socialist Alternative was a group of college kids who ditched you if you didn't obey them. Solidarity was snobby and nothing more than a book club. IWW is not a socialist or communist group, nor on the list, I joined them merely to be in an anti capitalist union. IWW was by far the worst of all of them. I was cussed out, accused, judged, and discarded. IWW truly murdered my revolutionary soul. I will heal and I forgive them. Democratic socialist of America were awesome, talked about unions and have open minds with solidarity but they have an extra boost from the Sanders campaign using the keywords "Democratic socialist". I still love all of the groups and have hope they will rise again.
" IWW is not a socialist or communist group, nor on the list" Here's an excerpt from their response to whether they are or aren't syndicalist. "Why I.W.W. Is Not Political The I.W.W. believes that the time devoted to politics is misspent, and that the energy so expended is misdirected and wasted. We believe that the class character of the state will not permit that institution to aid the proletariat in its class struggle. Therefore, we teach the workers that what they really require is not to influence the state favorably toward them, but to put themselves in such position, through an economic class organization, that they will be enabled to protect themselves against the hostility of the capitalist state. The I.W.W. is cognizant of the fact that it is trying to destroy a social relationship, and that the accomplishment of this aim will involve strikes and demand agitational, educational and organizing efforts with all that this implies in a capitalist state, jealous of its power and fearful of economic action by the workers. We are not unaware, as you seem to infer, that as the organization grows, and the workers -- impelled by a growing consciousness of power -- become more and more assertive that clashes will occur between the workers and the forces of the state. Our perspective shows us that such conflicts are inevitable, and we are satisfied that our economic preparation will enable us to deal with these phenomena when we are confronted with them. These probable occurrences are not outside our calculations, we assure you. The capitalist class relies upon the state as its agency and instrument for holding the workers in subjection, and to preserve its rights to exploit their labor-power. The workers must provide themselves with an instrument more powerful than the repressive forces of the state -- an organization for the control of their labor-power. The workers must make use of the every day struggle to provide the material out, of which this agency is to be fashioned. Progress is naturally slow and tedious, as is the evolutionary process. As the idea of industrial unionism takes root and is nourished by the workings of the capitalist system existing nuclei in the industries develop, gradually, but surely and significantly." They're anarcho-syndicalist as fuck. They can disavow until they're blue in the face, that is anarcho-syndicalism in every single possible way.
I'm sorry you had a bad time with many of the Anarcho-Syndicalists in the past. I can't speak much about the IWW as they are not exactly on the same line as the group I am with (SAC, Swedish Anarcho-Syndicalists) but the general idea remains the same. While I can see that An-Synd can be... Intense, to say the least, with very harsh criticism against anyone who is against them. We can be very Sectarian, myself included though I try to keep mind open that just because they don't agree with me, they are not automatically against us. I do hope you find some other revolutionary group more to your liking and that we will both stand on the same side when the time comes to pick up the flag against the capitalists and the authoritarians of the world. Until then, best of luck.
@@brendanfletcher5216 I’d have to contest the non-communism of IWW. If they succeed, the likely end result is communism, although it would take awhile.
Actually, I'm not surprised. I know one ML RU-vidr and he's really good guy (even if I don't agree with him in everything. And sometimes he makes me scared...).
Yeah these damn tankies isn't that right, because being skeptical of capitalism whilst also believing everything that capitalist media has said about the USSR and Maoist China is just sooo rational. No way a capitalist could lie about the USSR.
I've always thought a revolution takes place based on the material conditions present? Would this not lead to various tendencies working in different places? I'm a bit new, so maybe I'm missing something but that's how I've always seen it.
Commandermaze there are different kinds of revolution, violent, democratic, societary, etc. And while that is true for one's caused by material conditions there could also be ones based on culture or Ideology. I don't care how you want a revolution as long as you don't try and purge me or implement an authoritarian state after, but up until we kill the bourgeois I'm willing to cooperate and handle the details after we win (Spanish Civil War)
The great thing about this song is that if you're an anarchist then you can just interpret it as all communists and if you're some kind of communist you can just yell about stalinists
As an anarchist, I recognize that the ideology of communism is not inherently authoritarian, however is also believe that be allowing the existence of a state, the society has a higher chance of becoming authoritarian.
Mr. Viketor That's because it is French, comrade. Before we started using it in leftist slang, it meant middle class. We didn't just think up that word on the spot, we basically gave it a new definition.
yes left unity but this song is even better if you know that it was written by an anarchist who was making fun of how leninist parties always go through 2485463 schisms
Communist parties in India : Communist Party of India Communist Party of India (Marxist) Revolutionary Communist Party of India Communist Party of India (Maoist) Marxist Communist Party of India (United Kuldeep) Marxist Communist Party of India (United Gouse) Workers and Peasents' Party of India Socialist Unity Centre of India CPI (Marxist-Leninist Liberation) Bolshevik Party of India CPI (Marxist-Leninist Red Star) Worker's Party of India All India Forward Bloc Revolutionary Socialist Party Marxist Forward Bloc Revolutionary Socialist Party (Leninist) Revolutionary Marxist Party of India Communist Ghadar Party of India Workers' Socialist Party New Socialist Alternative Communist Marxist Party (Communist Party of Revolutionary Marxists) Revolutionary Socialist Party (Bolshevik) United Communist Party of India Party of Democratic Socialism(India) Communist Revolutionary League India People's Revolutionary Party of India Janganotantrik Manch Marxist Platform (Assam) Orissa Communist Party Krantikari Samyavadi Party Rashtravadi Samyavadi Party Satyashodak Communist Party Janathipathiya Samrakshana Samithy Marxist Co-ordination Committee Telangana Communist Party of India CPI (Marxist-Leninist Class Struggle) Marxist-Leninist Party of India (Red Flag) CPI (Marxist-Leninist New Democracy) CPI (Marxist-Leninist Janshakti) Communist Party of Bharat Revolutionary Communist Centre of India(Marxist-Leninist-Maoist) This list excludes dozens of defunct organizations and might exclude some smaller groups. Copied from another comment.
I was called bourgeois for calling the PRC a decayed fascist state, and the CCP revisionists. And arguing that so many of the people live with practically nothing and $20 per day isn’t enough.
"Makhnovia was disestablished on 28 August 1921 when a badly-wounded Makhno and 77 of his men escaped through Romania after several high-ranking officials were executed by Bolshevik forces."
Anarcho pacifism is a key. None of wars , none of revolts bring the smile and laugh to no one. Only dialog is right. All of us suffered enough , let's just stop fighting and sit down and talk. Yesterday I reunited with my friend who is fascist, we put down the politics and just had fun. We haven't talked in a year, fought with each other by letters, press, manifestos. But it's time to stop by and think - where competiting lead anyone of us ? Only misery and pain is coming from capitalism. Let's go and achieve nirvana in the sun .
you should try to seek help from a professional if you wish to continue as a good person, otherwise you'll devolve into shouting about "law is tyranny! how dare they not let me commit crimes!!!! >:(((((("
Kerimcan ak Well if for you jailing the anarchy-communist brigades or any other Ines who had different views than the soviets is called "helping", then I can only agree with you
HELPED the spanish anarchists ? You should seriously inform yourself about the events of may 1937 in Barcelona. Or generally about the Spanish Civil War, or the Makhnovtchina and the jailing of anarchists in USSR. And anarchists never helped ? How about during the 1917 revolutions ? How about helping the Spanish government against fascism ? Anarchism was the leading leftist force until the first world war and yet history doesn't recognize them because neither tankies nor liberals/conservatives want them to be recognized. Good job tankies ! Being more efficient destroying the other leftists mouvements than assaulting the bourgeoisie.
Where do you find all these songs? Is that a collection you made trough the years or do you find them one by one on some obscure parts of the internet?
Solidarity forever! Socialism is so much more meaningful when it is self realized, and allowed to flourish in the image of it's people. Of course help from others is always a blessing, but it is so important to be a part of the process. Capitalism is all about division, and often inhibits the free spread of new ideas through inaccurate stigmatization. We can be better than that, debate one another, and create a democratic platform for which we all can stand, and build a new society for the worker, the consumer, the proletarian, and the enlightened once despot as well. My revolution comes from a love for my people. Not hate.
The Professional Protester i mean, the DSA aren't socialists? I get this is probably 'Baby's first left movement' for you and all, but honestly it's embarrassing
Luft Wafer My chapter’s filled with Anarchist and ML’s and DemSoc’s but yeah your right, keeping Larping on your keyboard while actual lefty’s try to make progress
Socialism has never worked, it is flawed. The economical system is basically fake in a socialistic society and still shrinks until there is nothing left (kind of like what is happening in Venezuela)
I just now realized that it's sectarian and not secretarian. I somehow always read it wrong. And by the way, isn't this the singer who made "after the revolution"? I think I recognize his voice.
We need to focus on what we can do today. In our society, we can only pull things leftwards bit by bit, and we can only do this if all hands are on deck. We don't need to worry about which old white guy is better, since that is a problem we can only discuss when we finally achieve our goals. For now, we all need to do our part on the united front, and stop bickering among ourselves when the life of the worker is on the line.
Not a leftist (Anymore, and not a rightist either, just a religious leader rn), but this so much speaks about us as well, I must admit that the Hellenic Union of Chile (Proud founder) has dedicated more of its time to bash the YSEE, Hellenion and the Church of Hellenos, rather than working towards the goal of establishing Hellenism again and defeating Christianism The difference is, those three are truly fucked up, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, and fascism included. Not gonna work with them Still funny to think about a Hellenic version of this lmao, and also, we aren't working towards anyone's liberation but for people to praise Gods which sounds crazy if you aren't part of us lmao, so it doesn't really matter if we fight like children :/ (As you can see, I still hold some leftist values from the time I was one)
The title is a bit misleading. It makes fun of sectarian atitudes, for sure, but behind it it´s clearly a criticism of Leninism/vanguardism. So it´s more of an anti-Leninist song.
lol i love how it's always anarchists talking about "tankies" and "authoritarian leftists" including in these comments and they call us the sectarian ones, the backstabbers. i'm not saying m-ls have never been sectarian towards anarchists, hell this comment is probably "counter-sectarian", but goddamn it seems anarchists are far more guilty in that sense. yet we haven't been able to shake of the reputation of being the bad guys within the left. even this song seems like it's from the perspective of a "tankie" to insult a "tankie" with the references to lenin and vanguards. but who knows.
