your not the only one ... xD i started in vanilla but when i recieved gold i went to the auction house and buy stupid shit because it was green xD ... or spending to much on fiery weapon ... why ? because shiny weapons xD
A lvl 60 priest gave me 100 gold in Vanilla to buy mount and stuff when I reached lvl 40. That's probably worth something like a few million gold now :O
The memories that this invokes like collecting wool etc for the war effort prior to the opening of the gates of Ahn'Qiraj , not being able to afford the mount till level 60 and tuning to the Molten Core. OMG the hours of my life I gave and still give to this dam game.
my number 1 memory from vanilla and probably top 10 wow. Someone was giving out 1.5g to everyone in IF. OFC being broke as I was I traded him but he accidently traded me 1.5k gold :P So suddenly I was rich as fuck! :D Gave him back 500g though. This was mby 15 months after wow came out
This video really makes you realize just how different the modern game is compared to the release. One aspect you didn't cover was how the longer leveling really forced you to learn your class. That was a huge side effect of spending all that time on one character.
@@seeker296now that we are older and theres tons of stuff out sure. Had you played back then in 2000s you would know. Wow was so new. No youtube. No addons. No wowhead. Nothing. Just forums. Some of us were lucky to play it in its prime. Sure it seems simple now, but back then, it was something else.
Me and a buddy (whom i've met through WoW and we're still friends after 13 years) used to ''park'' our mains in whatever area we were leveling. Each time some higher level scum ganked us we would log back into our high geared 60's and gank them back for hours on end. Fun times.
Seemed like Horde had much easier access to instances. Other than Deadmines, though, which is probably one of the best instances in the game. Even Gnomeragan could be accessed via teleporter from the goblin town in STV. Never did run Stockade, but never wanted to either.
Horde had easier everything. For Alliance to go from the EK to Kalimdor you had to run through the wetlands, a contested zone, take the boat from Menethil, while horde just hop on a zeppelin inside horde territory, just outside UC.
The idea of actually having to read quests to figure out what to do is huge. It made it so that I was invested more in what I was doing & I feel like it was more immersive overall. It's slow leveling but like the video says, it was an experience & even a feature of the game instead of just this mindless thing that you have to do in order to "play the game". I'm looking forward to playing Classic when it comes out. Thanks for making these videos.
One of you out there suggested that I talk about vanilla leveling. I thought it was a good idea so here's a whole video about it! Hope you enjoy. Feel free to add anything I left out.
Nicely done. I remember those days, where it took a week or longer just to gain a single level. It was fun and challenging. Only other thing to bring up was the challenge that crafting brought to the table. I am glad that I still have most of those forgotten and removed crafted pieces.
I started my WoW Journey in Legion, but your videos of Vanilla and later expansions are very interesting. Looking forward for more, epic job MadSeason!
I love how u bring my mind back 12 years ago :P ur 100% right .Keep going we all love ur videos .I dont understand that 2 dislike i believe they never play Vanilla
For me a MMO is not only the endgame.. Its the road that lies ahead of you. The mystery of not knowing whats out there in the World. Meeting new people & Socialising with them - exploring and defeating difficult quest / dungones, leveling your character. Make him stronger and getting attached to him. The endgame is something that you didn't even know existed. You didn't play because you wanted to raid, you played because you had fun. I don't know how to feel about the current state of the game. I really love Legion with its gameplay and content. But sometimes I really wish I could go back in time, not knowing what the hell a raid is and experiencing beeing a noob again.
I remember playing druid and losing to my RL friend outside IF because I didn't realize that any of my forms(cat,bear...) could not be put under the succubus' sleep...to my surprise, this made it in his WoW montage video and we all got a kick out of it.
I hate being treat as some important figure leading my class, I want to be an adventurer helping the heroes! Whats going to happen in the next expansion? Are we all going to be faction leaders? lol
i haven't played in years so i keep saying "wow, it's NOT like that anymore??" lol. leveling being harder is definitely better - you appreciate something a lot more when you worked hard for it.
Exactly my feeling. Everything that made WoW vanilla such a great experience... they basically removed all of them?! I'm not usually an old geezer, but in this case things sure were better in the past. Well, glad I/we got to experience it :)
The first time its fine. But when levelling alts... Ooof, it could go on forever sometimes. Then again, there was something to be said about having just one character and not a full character list full of max level alts who exist purely to funnel gold and resources to your main.
On our PvP server, Vanilla leveling was daunting. We were compelled to level in groups to avoid near constant corpse runs resulting from PvP. Guilds would literally respond en masse when their levelers were corpse camped/they were requested to help clear the area. Open field PvP would break out between entire guilds and in the higher level zones (BRD, Western and Eastern Plaguelands, Un’Goro Crater, and even the goblin towns of Booty Bay/STV and Gadgetzan) large scale PvP between several guilds/nearly the entire server population) often broke out. We actually managed to crash our server due to the population gathering. Truly, I’m surprised MadSeason failed to account for the leveling delay found on PvP servers. This leveling delay made PvP server leveling an experience in and of itself.
Another thing to consider, quest targets could have REALLY long respawns (sometimes 10 or more minutes for a named enemy, and even more if they were an elite). A good way to experience what vanilla leveling was like, is to take a character to level in Silithus. It somehow got left alone during the cata revamp, and is a museum for the antique wow experience. I remember leveling my paladin, who had so few attack skills that it was mostly just an auto attack bot. Took consecration just so that I had an additional button to hit, outside of judgement and refreshing my Seal, lol.
Yeah before the skill revamp paladins had no damaging abilities. It was blizzards answer to them being a melee who could also cast heals. They considered a warrior who can cast flash of light or holy light was too op. (which at the time, considering how hard it was to deal with mobs, it would have been)
yeah remember that hunter quests in STV? the elites needed at least 30minutes to respawn, I believe that elite ogre in the cave even 1h. If you wiped or fucked up the tag, you would wait for another hour lol. Meanwhile you would just be overrun by the enemy faction multiple times... fun times lel.
The self healing was quite handy for the most part, but the pushback mechanic was pretty frustrating. Wasn't limited to the first 2 hits and added about a second to the cast time on spells. Flash of light was also a fairly small heal at the time, only doing about 400ish without healing power at the max rank. While it was considerably easier to get off, even non-elites at that level could take about the same amount off in the time it took you to cast it. That being said... Divine Protection essentially had a 1 minute cooldown, so you could easily get off a holy light or two, and completely heal. So... you're right. Mostly because bubbles were great :P
Christian Weibrcht haha, probably for the same reason it didnt get a rework... It was an awful area (and still is!!) Though the twilight hammer enemies did have pretty good drops if I recall correctly.
4:00 as to why they didn't have hearts ("should be a 100% drop") whenever I have had cases like this in RPGs I like to imagine you didn't loot a heart because you destroyed it. Possible right?
@@DJscratchpiggy Sometimes it is addressed like, you need pristine teeth or similar things but most of the time it's just a time sink that masks how many mobs designers want you to kill. Let's say they want you to kill 40 but that'd be too much to show, so instead it's 10 drops with 25% chance.
Holdin McGroin same. My brother recommended it to me as I was new and could heal myself. To this day I still play that paladin. Telasero Defias Brotherhood EU born. 30th of March 2006
That's actually the best paladin leveling spec. You do pretty much the same damage as ret (Just use SotC and whack shit), and you never run out of mana because every 2 minutes you can cast a holy light crit that refunds all mana.
It took me 8 months and some things I did: -Raiding Deadmines with 7 people and ninjalooting a bunch of stuff (I didn't even know about loot rules, I just saw blue and I clicked roll) -Raiding Freewind post with my guild at lvl 18. There were a lot of lvl ?? enemies. -Asking a higher level player to escort me on a Hinterlands herbalism trip in exchange for some of the potions I made from it. (I was low level with high level herbalism and alchemy) I effectively became an NPC giving an annoying escort quest. -PvP with a ganking rogue in STV and because we couldn't kill each other (I'm a druid), we kinda became friends? We just chilled there after a few attempts at each other's lives. Still better love story than...you know. -Taking part of the endless slaughterhouse that's Southshore. And so on. Made a bunch of friends during that time.
ditto on the STV part..I rolled a NE druid myself and I would initially take them on quite the chase...and before long..they would give up...a mutual respect was formed. Really like your resourcefulness, especially on that herbalism trip. Thanks for sharing.
Back in the day most instances let more people in. For instance Scholomance was usually done by 10 people. I remember that one in particular because when I joined a raiding guild, I was made one of the main potion/elixir guys and getting the major mana potion recipe (a quest in scholomance) was an actual task for the guild (I even got the major fire resistance potion from LBRS which made me kinda sought after), but the first run failed because it was not a raid quest so I didn't get progress in it. We had to do it as a party. (LBRS was done by 5-10 men and UBRS was always a 15-man raid) So we just got 7 people for DM and went for it.
Two things I missed the most from vanilla WoW: 1) Socialization. You stole loot in a raid? Get ready to almost never run a raid again. People used to blacklist others, it would almost keep people playing fair. Constantly ganking? Get ready for reinforcements, and bring your own while you're at it because it's about to get bloody. Also, leveling was a great way to bond with people. If you played Horde, the barrens was the place to be for "intellectual conversations", but fun nonetheless. 2) Talents. You weren't a spec you were the class. For example, I played shaman, not elemental or enhancement shaman. The ability to spend points in all specs made for crazy builds. I speced for heavy survivability with heals and damage reduction while my damage came from hard hitting crits. The class had all the tools of the other specs, but can focus on one, getting special passives/actives for that specific spec.
Yeah I liked to do my own "exotic" specs too, worst one was in LK when the DK came out, I had a 21-18-21 spec (or something along those lines) with OP auto-attacks. Then they decided you couldn't put points in another branch until you had 31 points in your main spec and I was the saddest thing on Azeroth T_T
The social aspect was great, but even now, good luck getting into a decent raiding/PvP guild if you're a dick. There were so many dead ends in Classic where, if you were questing in a low-pop zone like Arathi and needed to do something like Stromgarde or Myzrael, good friggin' luck (especially the latter since there was such a huge chain to get the quest to summon her and the reward was terrible). As far as talents go...there was nothing interesting at all about them, save for a few clutch passives and the big 21 and 31 point talents that got you a new active ability. I mean, hunters, regardless of build, had to go 20 points into Marks because Lethal and Mortal Shots (and Aimed Shot) were the only 3 worthwhile talents that hunters had. Sure, you had the freedom of maybe 1-2 points into a useless talent, but if you were serious about PvP you had one build per class, and serious about raiding, you might have 2 viable builds. There were about 13 worthwhile specs in the entire game for most of the run (Arms, Fury, both Holy specs, Frost, Fire [outside of MC/BWL/Ony], Marks, Combat, Assassination, both Resto specs, Ret [but only because it had Blessing Of Kings], and SM/Ruin warlocks). There was so much worthless clutter and imbalance that it was almost not fun.
@@fabiank4396 The things that really hooked for the talent tree is the constant level by level progression, compared to today where you get a talent every 15 level. You truly looked forward for just that point, to get just a little stronger, trying to see what next talent would be better on the road.
@@fabiank4396 That's only true if you're raiding. How you spend your points while you are leveling can vary enormously, depending if you are leveling alone or in a group, what you want to do, and etc.
This is very true - switching to an upgraded weapon was also troublesome because you had to re-level a new weapon skill. Another big point! Thanks for pointing that out.
Been playing on a vanilla server, and I adore the inconvenience and challenge of leveling. Interpreting information, navigating the world, negotiating dangerous situations, cooperating with others, and risking death all the while is the whole point of the game, right? Everyone says so, but it seems like gradual streamlining just detracted from the adventure.
Yeah the adventure was fun. You could see someone almost dying to some NPCs and give him a little hand, then you kinda progressed to talking and doing quests together, adding each other to the friends list, maybe even making a guild or joining the same one. You actually met people along the way and made friends. Most MMOs lost this since the old days.
people these days value instant gratification, everything they do in a game no matter it it takes 5 minutes or 5 seconds, it should be a instant gratification that they have achieved something. not many players have the time these days to play 10-15 hrs just for one level no matter how rewarding the endgoal is. sad but true.
@@Krigfattig lol "general lvling speed" vs your best lvling speed at 5½ day lol, what are you even on about? you think you will reach 1 day lvling speed now?
@@Krigfattig lol in comparison to the latter 3 expansion in WoW, it's challenging. the same goes for the dungeons. and if you state that the new dungeons are harder i stand to believe that you've never actually played vanilla even if you brag about your 6 characters.
I remember being like 'yo what's an instance' and trying to whack stuff with my staff as a hunter. The best thing about it was making mistakes and not knowing what to do. It defined you as a player and everyone else. You looked up to players who were higher level and admired their achievement. You also had an innane longing to explore the unknown, wander into the cave, dive into the sea and try your chances against a certain mob. Now you know your class, what they can do, their limits, where everthing is, how to get stuff and all the rest. While this is great, the true magic lies in the unknown.
Man this made me feel so nostalgic... remembering questing with my lock. I had the quest to get the she-demon and I had to go all the way from Ironforge to Kalmidor into Horde territory. I was so in love with the travelling experience. Of course it took around 4 months to level it up but man, once you toped your level you had such an adventure in your shoulders
I remember finally getting the Krol Blade in vanilla, 2 months later BC came out. I killed my first mob in the Xpac and replaced the Krol blade with what it dropped. #feelsbadman
When I first started playing vanilla my best friend suggested herbalism/alchemy to make gold and lemme tell ya that made me a pretty penny. Got my mounts relatively easy with ample gold to spare. Used to hustle on that auction house $$$
I ran SM Cathedral 42 times before I got that damn caster hat from the boss. Had to run there every time from Ironforge. Fly to South Shore, skirt by Dalaran, swim through hammer-something lake, and run all the way to the instance. And most of those runs were before I was 40 and got a mount. And it made getting a mount awesome and epic and wonderful. 10/10 would do it again in a heartbeat. The fact is people were willing to run that kind of distance for an experience with other people. That's not something you can say about the current game.
“The Zhevra” quest in the Barrens. It still gives me nightmares. So many Zhevra, so little hooves. Vanilla is like being a broke college student. It was a great experience to have, but you never want to have it again.
Leveling Prot Paladins was so much fun. Gather as many mobs as you can. Let them kill themselves as they bash themselves on your shield spike and auras and blessings. Want to kill them faster? use righteousness. Need to regain health? Use seal of light. Wonderful times.
any of you Pallys ever remember watching the "Dernos goes PvP" RU-vid video...that almost made me want to re-roll a pally myself..still holds up to this day.
most MMORPGs are like this, everyone being broke and struggling to clear instances. but then it's those times that you meet new friends and make memories you'd treasure forever.
The wife and I moved from EQ so we could level together. How many times did I have to jump to the rescue cause she said "O a herb!", which happened to be at the feet of a mob lol!
EEEK! yea, i remember them.. in vanilla wow on a PvP server the mobs were every bit as bad as the players.. how many of you remember charging into a mass of mobs just so the opposing faction player would get killed too!// they who got back to their body first wins!
The pillagers were unforgiving. For a few months after the game released, they were ranked the deadliest mob of all time. Their spawns were broken, and multiple pillagers would spawn inside each other often looking like just one pillager, but if you attacked it, 4 more pillagers would come spilling out and would start attacking you.
I started as a mage sometime around BC expansion. It was nice selling ports, but I didn't make a lot of gold until I started using the AH and using my daily Alchemy CD. I really miss when gear, professions, enchants, and buffs mattered in PvP. Leave it to "no fun allowed" Blizzard to nerf everything about the game that I loved.
Great video! A good summary of how it was. I have to disagree with you on Vanilla dungeons being harder, though. Longer, for sure. Definitely requiring adequate gear, trash was less of a joke, and people needed to know their class. Boss mechanics though tended to range from simple to nonexistent. Many of them were literally just tank-n-spank. Tbh I find things much harder nowadays, where you have to memorize a dance routine for every single boss rather than just knowing how to play your class well. I remember the first time I did the end wing of Scarlet Monastery, nobody in the group had ever been there before and none of us had read anything about it (not uncommon then). We collectively shat ourselves with fear and disbelief when Whitemane rezzed Mograine; none of us had seen it coming and we'd struggled to bring him down the first time. Glorious, frenzied panic. You'll never see that sort of surprise again, sadly.
i remember grinding stonelementals near uldaman for 3 Days for my mount...until the staff of jordan dropped... I was a mage, but aslo broke. So i did the only right choise. I equiped it and farmed again...but i looked fancy
Granted I got the free mount as a warlock, but when I had the Underworld band drop off a blood sail buccaneer, you better believe I equipped it. My first purple.
I hated taking almist an hour to get a BRD group together, only to have a wipe right before the guantlet, then seeing mob respawns, so the group disbanded... Never killed the Emperor until Wrath >_
I used to play back in Vanilla/BC and loved every moment of the grind to level 60/65. I had a main character I raided with, and, during the downtime, I leveled nearly eight alts to the max level. This was my source of fun and it brought me a bunch of stress relief to just take a character, waltz outside Eversong Woods and slay mana wyrms for hours. Once the devs said they were no longer making content as hard as BT/Sunwell and there was rumors of adjusting the EXP system, I left the game for grindy titles like Aion and other Korean MMOs. I recently got back into Legion to revisit the game, and see how they're using old story characters I remembered back in WC2. Despite now having an adult job working nearly fifty hours a week, I still hit 110 in two weeks. This really didn't sit well with me as I find leveling part of the journey and watching my character develop over time always brought me back to playing the game. With my current time schedule, I don't have time to raid, and I don't find PVP all that fun, so when I hit 110 I literally sat in town trying to find something to do, only to log out and roll an alt to begin the leveling process again. But, that didn't contain my enthusiasm for the game, I let my free 30-day trial expire and never renewed my membership. I even went so far as to send feedback to the devs voicing my displeasure with the new leveling system. I even asked if they could create a special potion or in-game switch where it would revert your character back to the old EXP logarithm. I never got a response back. :) There is a reason that 3rd party servers exist and are in high demand. Perhaps some of it's nostalgia, but I feel there are people who truly enjoy the old leveling grind vs. the new loot based grind, such as myself. If there was a MMO where the level cap was infinite, I would totally jump on board.
The only explanation I've seen for why enemies don't drop certain body parts is that, the parts you're looking for got too damage in combat to be acceptable. So stop stabbing those raptors in the heart 4Head
Im sure some Will try. But Blizzard has new systems in place now to capture it. You cant just put a cheap item on AH for 1000G as a method of transaction anymore. Source: "Dude, trust me."
I remember a big part of the leveling experience was not just how levelling up was the game, you would often be in awe of much higher level players. A lvl 40+ player running lowbies through deadmines for example would be treated like some sort of unstoppable god.
People will always complain as I see in the comments... I can guarantee you that if the lvling was like in vanilla in 2017, people were complaning about it.. and the same for the opposite.. it doesnt matter what you gonna do as dev, people will always like and dislike what you're doing. and thats why I dont get the people that complain about it.. you'll get burn out if you'll lvl up slowly for 12 years... the dev team arent stupid, you guys think they never talked about this shit.. of course they did..
It wasn't like that back then though. Because this game was the first to ever do such a game on that scale aside from Everquest. Everyone I knew thought it was awesome. Because it was the first time anyone ever played a game like that. What you say about people complaining is true, but devs should never listen to people complaining. They should have a vision for a game they think is amazing and work towards it. Not change the entire formula of the game because some children cried on the forums.
My first character started out in Mulgore and I remember- when quests that didn't show you where to go- made my character an incredible fun challenge with 1 road (going from Thunderbluff to The Barrens). All the mobs were scattered about making it hard to get around without pulling some of that aggro. Ah, good times. The Barrens (crossroads specifically) will always be a good part of my vanilla memories. Lots of players, and annoying quests when it came to the centaurs or the pigmen aggro. I would always find a set of people trying to sit on the mountains to pull since, back then, it was difficult to just dive right in. For my Horde characters, I always found The Barrens to be my safe-haven for quests.
I remember seeing an *epic drop* for the very first time back in Vanilla. The group flipped shit. I was in Maraudon on my level 46 mage and _there, right in the middle of the orange caverns on the corpse of a water elemental:_ *Gut Ripper.* I was both amazed and really -pissed it wasn't something I could use- happy for our guild rogue. Though I love many things about the game today, I still miss that feeling of wonder and adventure that only Vanilla WoW was able to give.
Yes it is the way it should be. You can't just sacrifice the entire leveling process to favor the endgame. You're literally cutting half the content of the game away for convenience and it's really stupid.
Once spent two hours trying to explain to four other people how to get into Maraudon. When they all announced their presence and only one person was standing next to me, it becamse clear that the other three had gone to the other entrance. After a disastrous effort to centralize our scattered group everyone just stoned and went to bed. So that was a solid three and a half hours well spent I thought.
So much of this is subjective; I think that Wrath felt like the "right" amount of time to level up a toon. It took a while, but not too time consuming. I can't say I care for having to eat/drink every few mobs so I am glad that is gone, but I certainly miss things being challenging when leveling. It is a problem if you can go from lvl 1 to cap and never worry about dying. BOA gear really hurt this aspect of the game; I don't mind the xp increase once you get a toon to max level, but I hate how the stats they bring trivializes all content and makes dungeons a zerg chain pull (it takes no coordination). It also messed up bgs at least pre legion and ensured new players could not participate. Some might disagree, but I actually kind of liked the LFG for dungeons. Being able to queue for that or bgs while leveling meant I didn't get bored easily. I do wish heroic dungeons were not able to be queued for and pug'd and had a greater difficulty. I did not care for LFR, and sadly haven't raided much to this day since its release. I do think Wrath had accessible content without needing LFR (which has no challenge at all). I also liked in Wrath how there was lots of quick, single boss raids. I don't think the term "casual" should equate to low difficulty, but rather a measure of time investment. I really hated buying spells though, and did enjoy the change in Cata where at lvl 10 you got a neat ability or passive that made you feel unique. That part beat putting a point into reducing cast time of one spell by 0.1 sec. It was also nice to not have to wait until lvl 50 or higher to get very basic tools a particular spec relied on. I do think the MoP talent trees often added better choices, but the old talent trees offered a very clear (if small) reward for every level gained that felt very satisfying. Leveling does not feel as rewarding without it, oddly enough. I did like the addition of flight paths and graveyards that came with Cata, but around that time was when the pace of leveling got out of hand... to where you could only finish a few quests and had to move to a new zone. I wish they could use their scaling system from legion to gate content by level, but allow older content to scale so that you could finish a zone if you want. This way, you could level two different characters and not do any of the same quests. After all, WoW has a ton of content that at any given time most people are not using. All of this is subjective, and there is no right or wrong answer. I do think though, IMO, that Wrath walked the tightrope the best between "casual" vs "hardcore" (time investment) and providing varying difficulties of content that seemed to work for most of the community. Feel free to tell me where your opinion differs though.
I really love the Vanilla Leveling and Dungeons, but i can see in the Year 2017 you can´t make something like that. No one would played it (Maybe 200k-300k Player, not enough for a Big Company like Blizzard) I think you must be a Oldschool Player, to love that kind of Gameplay.
Vanilla WoW was more about role play (even though most people did not realize that was what they were doing) Current day wow is more of and arcade game with friends (think gauntlet)
When I was in my mid-20's (level, not age) I saw a random guy in the Stormwind bank walking around as a giant bear. So I asked him: "Dude, how do you turn into a bear?" He told me it was a Furbolg, and to go to Ashenvale and do a quest. Armed with essentially nothing more than that, I traveled to a complete other continent and started leveling there. I asked if anyone knew how to do the Furbolg quest, and a random girl responded and offered to show me the quest chain. She was doing it herself, but already a several quests into the chain at that point, but saw an advantage in getting me to the same place so we could clear the rest of it together more quickly. She also just liked helping people. It took several days to actually complete the quest. (Almost complete - can't turn in the last quest or you lose your transformation stick.) That girl became my best friend for the next 6 years or so that I played WoW. We constantly ran dungeons and quested together, we hit 60 right around the same time and ran dungeons, and raided together. Even joined her guild eventually. And a lot of this wasn't attached-at-the-hip sort of stuff. We'd maybe only have our characters physicall together doing something 10% of the time we were playing, if that. But we chatted constantly whenever we were online. WoW just isn't conducive to making that sort of thing happen anymore. It's no longer an 'MMO'. There's no multiplayer. It's solo-rpg, with crowd-sourced AI for your NPC party members. Hell, I don't even know if that Furbolg quest still exists. Impermanence of past experiences was another kick to the groin with WoW changes over time. They destroyed the old version of the world, only to render it irrelevant. Today the player characters are more afraid to go outside than the people at their computers playing them.
Even the lore nowadays is all over the place, especially with WoD and Legion. They have had to change some major aspects of their story in order to fit their agenda. Example being that the Old Gods were depicted in the War of the Ancients books in the past as much more powerful than a Titan, now the Old Gods pail in comparison to the Titans. That's just one example.
I remember going into ST or especially Maraudon, you would wipe just to get into the instance, you had to repair after the wipes, so when you finally got to the enterance, someone had to repair first, and you would be screwd, if you didin't had a warlock to soummon you back or asking a lvl 60 friend to help your group out ! :D that is what WoW is/was all about imo! time consomning, and progress. Back then all we had was Thottbot(if you know you know) MadSeasonShow you're the best to explain this game! I love all your nostaliga vidoes
Ah Cutthroat Vale... Certainly brings me back when my hunter found his first epic, which was a staff that dropped off of one of the gorillas: The Staff of Jordan. Sure it would have been much more suitable for a mage since it was a boe epic, but since everything was a hunter weapon back then and it was the very first epic I ever saw, I equipped it immediately.
They should of gave you more gold for the quests back in vanilla. It reminds me of the original Diablo game. You had to kill lots of enemies to get your money to buy the better gear. But at least in WoW, you can make your own gear... It should take a cpl of weeks or more to hit max level & not a cpl of days. That's not challenge, which why I think ppl quit playing. Just my opinion....
Why do you only say people have fond memories of STV? I dread that place even today because of all the retarded gankers I had to face while I was in STV ... STV actually made me quit my level 40 something warlock because I was sick and tired of all the gankers on PVP realms. World PVP is the biggest shit there ever was in WoW, because it wasn't world PVP ... it was usually gangbang the lonely lvler and feel good about it ...
It was for most people(which played with friends), the zone where you had tons of quests and lots of PvP. Imo, Tanaris was even more of a PvP fest than STV, but I do remember befriending tons of random people trying to complete a quest in STV, and since it was a mid level zone, it was one of the most populated. I guess being a lone wolf in a mmorpg is hard and must be a complete nightmare for maps like STV.
My biggest tip to any new player either new to wow or new to Classic, if you are running solo, stay the FUCK away from Murloc's....seriously those fuckers in Vanilla were tough, you quickly learned to fear the " Murrgghrrrrhhgggr!!!"
Honestly, it sounds more of a chore than a game.. That long ago most of people had no responsibilities and had a ton of free time to expend online, now the vanilla players are most likely adult players with families and jobs, so if the game was still like that, most of these people wouldn't be able to play.
That is true and untrue. On the server i play on now people have families and full time jobs and they still make time to play the game. Just as i would assume they did back in the day. How many people in vanilla had full time jobs & families and still kept on playing it back then.
The problem here is that you're assuming people only wanted to play content that required a large investment in time (eg. raiding). To the contrary, many people like myself enjoyed the leveling experience because of the challenge and potential social interactions. If leveling became boring I would often go on an adventure with friends. This could be going into contested zones to find similarly leveled players for world PvP or organizing a dungeon. Sometimes people would literally just explore and chill out in an area they rarely traversed. This type of stuff just doesn't happen any more.
That is true. Most people crying for 'wow vanilla bring it back', where teenagers back them. (including me) I had the time to play the game. Just did my schoolwork and was ready to play the entire weekend, no breaks. Now i have a job, i have responsibilities, need to pay certain bills, need to socialize with other people, ... I cant spend more then 2h / day gaming. It would prob take me 4-5months of lvl'ing to reach lvl60 on the classic servers.
I'm super hyped for Vanilla. However, I never played Vanilla per se. I joined at the end of BC which still had a lot of the vanilla aspects. Leveling still took forever, and I remember racing my brother when leveling. There was no LFG and dungeons such as wailing caverns and sunken temple took forever to navigate and complete. My first main character was a shaman (whom I still play today), and I remember going elem/resto. I miss that talent system. My probably fondest memory is one of two times. 1. My first time in Ogrimmar. I needed to set my hearth point to the major city and so I asked a guard. " The Second hut on the right." So, I set my hearth went on with my quests, and then next thing I know, skeleton dragons were attacking the city with giant weird three armed things with meat hooks and their guts falling out of their stomach. I got in one of the towers, I had a gun (was playing a warrior) and I start trying to shoot them down. That warrior is still level 14. 2. Getting the Leeroy achievement. My dad's friend and co-worker, the one who got him into WoW that got us into WoW, decided to help us out and get us a title. So, we navigated the dungeon and found the room with the whelps. Then we spent maybe a good 30 mins trying it and finally got it done. now, the ach is so easy to get. At least I have to original ach to show off.
I've only really played up to level 25 and everything you have described is the exact experience I had. Multiple mobs were often too much, questing was slow and I stopped to eat and drink after every major fight. 5 gold was a lot of money to me. After that, I just got a level 100 character and tried Legion, which is just amazing. I did some of the old expansion content too like Panderia and WoD. I have to say, my experience was definitely better in Legion, I think the WoW community is just blinded by nostalgia
I didint played Vanilla back in retail, but i gave a shot then Nostalrius was released x1 blizzlike realm with no shops. Vanilla leveling was so epic. Every level was rewarding because you get your 1 talent points, you ran dungeons to get leveling gear and become heroe of Azeroth :) You had to do some tactics in dungeons or leveling because 3 mobs could kill you easilly in low level. Quests was so superb and interesting. I very loved World pvp that is dead atm in Legion. I also loved Raiding and PvP. I would give my life to play vanilla in retail. I would rather get fucked by gay, but i wont play retail :D
forcing interaction is such bad gamedesign and its a tragedy they removed dungeonfinder and replaced it with their bad tool from classic. Hopefully they change that back in cata, wasting an hour to get into a dungeon and people still just say "hi" at best like they do in dungeon finder, billions of wasted hours across the world wide community. Didnt make anything harder, just as vanilla wasnt hard, it was just tedious.
About once a year or something I rewatch these videos, and it always makes me wanna play WoW classic agai Then I buy one month, find the toxic playerbase, and the rest to be bots, and unsub again. I never learn though
Classic WoW leveling made the world feel bigger and more detailed, because you would run into chests, rare mobs, other players and quests you wouldn't really notice. I like Classic WoW leveling more than retail because every level feels like it matter, but I also just enjoy the grind of leveling anyway. No flying mounts and harder quests means player interaction which can make the game more fun because you might be able to use more abilities in your spellbook.
What i miss in current wow is the fear of a dangerous world. I just picked up wow again as a warlock but mobs nowadays are annoying if your going somewhere. I remember being scared getting aggro because i would die. The vanilla world was scary, u'd stick to the roads to be safer bit oh man if you'd come across a bear you'd shit ure pants. I agree with the social issue, i remember when running a dungeon in wotlk with dungeonfinder everybody would say "hi all" and "nice run cya" but nowadays no one speaks or gives directions or tips. They're just annoyed that mobs don't die fast enough. There is no more pride in the current wow, i miss my nerdgasms
Vanilla was awesome for me it was my first mmo. I watched my uncle play warcraft orcs vs humans and played a few times myself and i really got into the lore and story when warcraft 3 came out and i wanted more stories about these heroes thrall, grom, Jaina, Tyrande then when WoW was released it blew my mind just seeing the world go from an RTS top-down view game i played and read about become "alive" . Just being in the world was an experience itself exploring,Actually reading the text and lore to figure out how to complete the quests, killing mobs the you actually got punished if you pulled too many, having those sick blue random drops, doing dungeons like they were raids themsleves switching aggro between tanks hunters pets just to get through a tricky pull, the cha-ching sound going through my head when i sold some items on the AH, leveling my toons to max level and enjoying those 45+min AV battlegrounds when people actually tried to summon lok and follow the druids into battle every bg. It was a blast
I would have to say that people don't talk to each other because we pretty much don't want to unless we are forced to. Think about your daily life.. how many times a day do you go out of your way to talk to rando strangers that you aren't forced to have to talk to?
"Leveling was part of the expierence" for me leveling was the entire expierence. I made so many new characters and would level them to around 40 or 50 just because I loved the quests of WoW so much. I actually never got a character to max level until WoTLK. I really disliked a lot of the changes they made in Cata as they made everything to easy and when Mists dropped is when I stopped playing all together as the game was too focused on instance/dungeon leveling instead of some good old grindy quests. Thanks for another great video it was very nostalgic for me.
Enjoyed the video and I agree with you on many points. Me personally, I both hated but still enjoyed trying to get around on the game. I know back then being killed was one of those things everyone tried to avoid at all cost, simply because of the repair bill cost.. IMHO the thing I miss most about vanilla was the zones them self. There has been less and less reasons to go into them with each expansion. I would really like to see blizz bring back the World part in World of Warcraft and make the zone scale up to our level and put random quest with good rewards for us to have a real and fun reason to travel back into them.
eh, what they did to talents was sad but necessary. There were some awful dead spaces on that list of talents, and 40 man raids were too difficult to run and organize for leaders not to be shit headed about you not min maxing. Good luck getting into a spot as a Ret Pally (or Retardin), Feral Druids and Survival hunters, Im pretty sure warlocks were just around for COE and Summons. Raids back then were unforgiving, incredibly long wastes of time that caused GMs to go into cardiac arrest. Hells no were they going to get .01 % less damage or healing by going with the second or third best in slot. Pigeon Holing culture at its finest.
I much prefer a long leveling process. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the current game, but I just enjoy the trip and don't obsess over the destination. You'll find a lot of my characters don't have all heirlooms equipped even though I do own most of the heirlooms in the game. I like the road. Classic will be a welcome change.
I bet most people have forgotten how broken WoW Vanilla was, especially by the standards of today. Many kiddies will not even get to lvl40. Many will start in classic servers, but not many will get to the max lvl and have fun doing it. I for one, am gonna try it. Played vanilla back in the days. I know how 'bad' it was. But the community made it an awesome MMORPG feeling.
I was 14 when I played vanilla, and I’m glad it was a challenge, still the best game I ever played. some of these little kiddies you speak of need to learn this version of the game, for the sake of all of the gaming community. This horrible spoon fed gaming that has led their lives needs to end.
