Vanilla OS Is Not Your Ordinary Linux Distro

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Vanilla OS is an Ubuntu-based Linux distro that has its own package manager (apx) that installs packages as containers. It can install packages from the repos of Ubuntu, Arch Linux and Fedora. It also has support for flatpak and appimage...
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@valsharess-yt Год назад

Waiting for ChocolateOS.

@evildragon1774 Год назад

Get outta here

@denizkendirci Год назад

Sjw version that uses kde?

@techdoc9257 Год назад

I want a strawberryOS

@oXinaboX9 Год назад

It's late, like usual.

@theodorealenas3171 Год назад

I'm waiting for a new thing with a serious sounding name.

@merthyr1831 Год назад

Nix, Silverblue, and Vanilla really are "next generation" distributions. The novel packaging formats designed to give stability and security to users, and maximise availability of software across distributions is truly something to get excited for as a Linux user. SteamOS may have been controversial initially for saying its filesystem would be "immutable" and using flatpaks exclusively, it's likely to be the future of the Linux desktop experience. Awesome stuff!

@NormanF62 Год назад

The problem with the immutable desktops is you ever wanted to make changes in your root directory, you can’t. In Vanilla OS, you can turn immutability off, make the changes you want and when you’re done, you can turn it back to immutable. For power users, its the best of both worlds.

@laughingvampire7555 Год назад

@@NormanF62 and that is just plain stupid to do so. Because if you turn it off an on you remove ALL the benefits of immutability

@merthyr1831 Год назад

@Yakut58 Nothing new for SteamOS or others that use it sure, but immutability of the root filesystem is very novel across mainstream Linux :)

@merthyr1831 Год назад

@@NormanF62 Similar to SteamOS then. Ideally, cases where even a power user should be modifying the root dir should be flagged and modified so users don't need to modify it at all (at least without protections such as atomic transactions). I think that's what ABRoot might be trying to accomplish, as well as the packaging system in general - By running containers you can safely modify root directories on a per-app basis, rather than at the OS level. For SteamOS, the main reason users have been disabling immutability is to run apps that aren't available in flatpak/appimage formats. This approach would solve most reasons to disable the feature. As older package formats fall out of popular use, and this container approach matures, we should hopefully find ways around the pitfalls of immutability and build a much more stable desktop/general purpose OS for everyone!

@ppen9u1n Год назад

@@NormanF62 That's where `nix` shines IMHO: it's immutable but making your change in your configuration.nix (which should typically be in a VCS) is so trivial and quick that you haven't just applied your change but also tracked it, which should actually be the standard of configuration management in pretty much all (serious) environments. While arguably containers and nix are different in terms of runtime-resource separation, for most other intents and purposes they're very similar, but nix doesn't suffer from any of the integration issues that were plagueing Derek in this video ;)

@gabriellearterburn4428 Год назад

As a new Linux user, I find your distro reviews very helpful. Thank you!

@temari2860 Год назад

VanillaOS seemed like a perfect choice for me and I followed it's development process since the begging. Ubuntu's as a base gives me hardware support that my PC needs (I run into many hardware issues on other distro bases). I appreciate vanilla gnome as a clean slate that I can work on. On-demand immutable system, apx, flatpak and appimage support, modern good installer, latest technologies used. I love everything on paper. Of course the initial release is not even close to perfect, and unfortunately I can't distrohop to it just now. But we really need development in this direction.

@alx8439 Год назад

The reason, why you were not able to remove vim flatpak is because you installed it to current user' location (without sudo), rather than system' location (with sudo). So you should have uninstalling it also as user (without sudo)

@ugowsky Год назад

Thank you for these insights, Derek. Actually all those troubles with running apps from the terminal were really helpful and educational. Great review and the troubleshooting parts of the video are quite interesting. Take care

@caspera3193 Год назад

I really like the idea behind the apx package manager. Being able to install more packages and ones that come from different release cycles seems useful to me (stability or bleeding edge for instance).

@merthyr1831 Год назад

It also gives distro maintainers a reason to start moving away from "legacy" packaging formats like apt/deb etc. as moving to flatpak/appimage/snap won't come with the downside of losing older software. It's the same concept that has allowed gamers to adopt Linux over Windows (WINE/Proton) and allowed Apple to migrate to ARM from x86 (Rosetta). Users don't care about what technology is better, but prefer stability. Devs don't care about stability (in the short term) if it means migrating to better technology: This is the ultimate compromise!

@PokeRuto898 Год назад

APX is basically nix(OS)

@yasserkerbache Год назад

Great video DT! I think Vanilla is a unique distro and I really love what it is trying to achieve (being theoretically unbreakable) - but I really dislike how it is containerizing every single thing you install. The way it allows you to install software from various distros, on top of flatpaks and appimages, can add an additional layer of unneeded complexity in my opinion. On top of this, it could really use an automated way to alias the names of containerized packages (apx or flatpak), so you can type just their name to run them from the terminal - because this can get really tedious otherwise. I'm interested to see where the creator is going with this! It is definitely a unique project!

@YoshiLightStar Год назад

Using Vanilla OS seems rather annoying due to it all using containerized apps. The fact it doesn't try creating aliases for newly installed apps in the terminal sounds rather annoying I would think most people would perfer to just run an app by typing its name in rather then having to do "flatpak run name" or "apx run name" for example. it also makes it so you have to edit shellscripts to use those run commands instead of just using the path to a binary.

@NormanF62 Год назад

The concept is that nothing interacts with anything else so if you have incompatible software, it can’t bring down the entire system along with and any malware can only run in a container. When you delete it, those things are removed, too.

@yasserkerbache Год назад

I agree. I think it's really cool and unique, especially the way the package manager works, but they should really change the way you run the containerized apps from a terminal/run prompt because it will become annoying really fast. Perhaps they can utilize something like snap which lets you just type the name of the app to run it?

@danielvarga4395 Год назад

Actually the developers said that it's a planned feature, so you probably will be able to launch app just by typing htop or whatever in the future

@merthyr1831 Год назад

Definitely a pain point. It's an immature implementation for sure. I'd like to see Vanilla implement the same approach as Proton/Rosetta: making sure the user doesn't have to change their behaviour, while engineering a solution that fundamentally changes how applications and underlying software is run.

@kaletsu2270 Год назад

Normal apt install works also so there is more ways to install

@maroskukan8387 Год назад

Thanks for the review. I gave it a try today, the installer UI looks polished, however backend could use some work, for example I don't understand why it defaults to those unusual keyboard layout and timezone or why it enforces a minimum of 50G of space without option to do any partition customizations. Also there could be some logic when it comes to packages for example, ask for VM tools for hyper-v if it runs in hyper-v vs generic openvm tools.

@d3stinYwOw Год назад

It forces such requirements to be as user-proof as possible.

@the_linux_legend6199 Год назад

I was looking at the website and I saw something that says that in order to run apt you need to use abroot so "abroot exec apt install htop".

@Z-add Год назад

Finally a distro that is bringing true innovation

@mkerimi Год назад

I agree 👍

@temari2860 Год назад

I'm sure it was pointed out by many people, but in case it wasn't - stuff like command line utilities, many libraries etc. are not visible in Gnome Software, it is purely for graphical apps with some exceptions.

11 месяцев назад

Also apx didn't expose a package it api

@LuneLovehearn Год назад

I was even able to get Arch's Firefox running alongside flatpak Firefox from VanillaOS. Fun fact: If you do "apx install --aur and the package is not on the aur but arch repos, it will summon pacman to install it.

@FahimAnwari-jq3xv Год назад

Oh wow I saw the title of this video and thought oh great another distro, but this one is actually really neat. Could be revolutionary even! I do wish they would just add the installed packages bin folder to PATH somehow but it seems like they have some ways to go in general before I would actually install this in my system but I'll definitely be keeping a close eye on this project now. I do wish they would've used plasma. I just switched to KDE neon on my work laptop (coming from popos) and I really like it. I wish more of these ubuntu based distros would go the QT route. I just prefer the look. Thanks for updating us on this promising distro!

@warko4 Год назад

If you want to run packages by just typing a name, you can actually install a package on the host system (not container) with "sudo abroot exec apt install vim" and then after reboot you can open a terminal and just type "vim" and it will works..

@Redmage913 Год назад

At some point, could you do some sort of overview regarding apx versus docker versus VM? They seem so similar in purpose (separating processes from the underlying system for stability and security), but their implementations are very different. Which should be used for some generalized situations?

@NoxyYT Год назад

I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure apx uses distrobox which runs using podman (or docker) so they might not be that different.

@TechnologyGeek862 Год назад

Been running this for 24h now on my secondary laptop. Seems to be running mostly smoothly and I like the ability to install from aur and and apt at the same time seamlessly. There's still growing pains with this like containers randomly crashing but seeing their discord and github repo I feel confident that these get solved relatively quickly.

@bazurk_dot_com Год назад

What pop filter are you using in this video? Looking for a metal one for my pr40.

@kylerjohnson988 Год назад

Are you still not able to run vim and htop even after sourcing the .bashrc file? I usually have to do that or logout of the gnome session in order for those commands to be recognized if I recall correctly.

@stevesveryown Год назад

Hi DT, been testing out Vanilla OS as a possible dedicated production system for everything I need for my OBS set up for streaming. I'm very intrigued by it.

@PlanetLinuxChannel Год назад

I would love there to be a day where the packaging format of an app just doesn’t matter, and Vanilla OS seems to be an innovative first step towards that! I recently gave my thoughts in a video of my own.

@Sparttan Год назад

Vim-tiny is preinstalled on Ubuntu. Either the command name for that package is vi or they alias vi to vim-tiny.

@ent2220 Год назад

You could make another video going a bit in depth with what it's actually doing ... like where it's storing the containers, do other users need to install apps from scratch, can you have system-wide containers etc. Understanding the file structure with containerized stuff is the most important thing.

@JoelFeila 11 месяцев назад

so how would installing different DE work on an immutable system like this?

@lukabodroza Год назад

It's kind of similar to fedora silverblue in that case? Yes, silverblue natively only supports toolbox / fedora packages but if you pair it with something like Distrobox you can basically achieve the same thing. I'm running PipeWire natively and the Ardour ubuntu package from a Ubuntu 22.04 container well on a fedora silverblue 37 installation.

@JTM75 Год назад

Fedora silverblue adopted the same idea. Makes it more stable and if an update brakes something you just can rollback to the previous version.

@kaedeharakazuha2003 Год назад

hey I just bought a new pc and my laptop kinda not being used so this is a really great opportunity to try out new OS, is it simple to install vanilla os on a laptop? not old laptop ofc it's a 2021 laptop

@esra_erimez Год назад

This video is well-produced and provide valuable information about this fantastic Ubuntu-based Linux distribution. Keep up the excellent work!

@notuxnobux Год назад

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@esra_erimez Год назад

@@notuxnobux That comment is for the sentiment analysis algorithm to help RU-vidrs I like.

@terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад

@@esra_erimez Wow! And to think how great YT would be if people just stayed on topic and just discussed the video content - rather than trying to f*ck with algorithms.

@esra_erimez Год назад

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Indeed. However, I believe the video is merit worthy and therefore should be bumped up for the benefit of others.

@hunterzone4846 16 дней назад

You're definitely a bot

@DRIVING_ME_CRAZY Год назад

Would I be able to use my printer driver with this? It comes in .deb and .rpm.

@patrxgt9691 Год назад

I would love to see gaming centric, Fedora based distro like Nobara Linux, but with unified package manager, that can handle packages from Arch, Ubuntu/Debian and Fedora at the same time, but also not being Gnome centric and allowing me to use some other DE, like KDE or Cinnamon.

@danielvarga4395 Год назад

Maybe in the next 10 years we'll get one like this

@JoopiterGD Год назад

I'm sure you know this, but nobara *does* have support for kde in an iso, however it is a lot less stable than using the default version of the os.

@tanujrana8490 Год назад

This man knows what he wants

@Skelterbane69 Год назад

And I want something that is as stable, but also not as annoying to use, as slackware. But I won't get that, will I?

@patrxgt9691 Год назад

@@Skelterbane69 Sounds like you just need some Debian lol

@LuneLovehearn Год назад

I wonder if I can get plasma and sddm running on the base system or a container

@ottergauze Год назад

The main drawback I can see of this is that it will be a *huge* storage hog. How much does that actually apply here? The 50GB install minimum doesn't bode well.

@ok-tr1nw Год назад

It will probably share libs if they are the same versionhash so just like flatpak

@TheGodzilla2201 9 месяцев назад

nice presesntation sir. I just downloaded Vanilla os and i'm enjoying it so far.

@holthuizenoemoet591 Год назад

Wayland and Nvidia still don't mix? Any tips on installing a more up to date python install on linux?

@AndersJackson Год назад

Would love a deeper dive into this distribution. As @DT, I am impressive about the capabilities of this distribution.

@jaqhass Год назад

Is vanilla lagging and unable to load various websites for anyoe else? Everything is up to date, tried multiple browsers, several reinstalls and internet is through cable.

@unicorn_tamer Год назад

You probably realised it by now, but at then end of `apx install` it said to wait a few seconds before running the program, because your review might sound a bit too negative on that part for a new user. Other than that, VanillaOS seems like an interesting OS, I will probably give a try sometime in the future!

@RudahXimenes Год назад

Regarding flatpak as well. When he tries to remove it, he uses "sudo", but he installed user wide, so it cannot uninstall in root To remove vim he should use only: $ flatpak remove org.vim.Vim

@rarminqorset3628 Год назад

IMO it's making something simple a lot harder

@coughcough6692 Год назад

So does this distro make it easy to run Windows applications and phone apps by any chance with a bit more integrated support out of the box ?

@bahmak2003 6 месяцев назад

Are you stupid?😂😂😂

@worminstool Год назад

Not knowing anything about it, I'd be interested to see if antiquated windows apps would run well in bottles.

@PsilocybinMagic Год назад

They should have called it hemorrhoid because it's a pain in the ass

@IvanOdintsoff Год назад

I think to remove the Vim flatpak you would need to run without the sudo?

@duderno984 Год назад

Is it a replacement for manjaro?

@PenguinRevolution Год назад

This looks interesting, I may have to give it a try on a computer. Probably running apx as root to install htop and vim might put them on the system directories. I'll have to play around with Vanilla OS. I especially like the AUR feature. I'm gonna have to play with it, however I'm not sure if it's ready to me my daily driver yet.

@HopeIntSys Год назад

I wonder how Nala functions (Apt alternative) could work with Apx for multithreaded download...

@ratfuk9340 Год назад

Why does it seem so hard to use the terminal in these "immutable" distros? Nothing works as you'd expect. Is this by design or are these distros still too green?

@mrkrud Год назад

was hoping to see you throw on xmonad from aur and then try to apply your dot files from git into the container :)

@crazyscooby9670 Год назад

Help can I do dual boot vanilla os with windows?

@perkulant4629 Год назад

This looks great. Going to take it for a spin.

@IanHaver Год назад

Different as you say but could confuse newer users. Good review DT

@jamessmith4229 Год назад

This is, indeed, an interesting project. Not for me, the average GNU / Linux user; I'll stay with Pop OS.

@CL-hj8dt Год назад

what is the difference of Gnome OS and Vanilla OS ? it is the same Desktop Manager

@marinmarkovic7915 Год назад

DT, Great video as always ... but you made me really laugh with "let me move my head out of the way" :) :)...

@cheyopimienta Год назад

the main reason i abandoned KDE Neon was that just installing a single program could wreck the entire system beyond repair. That was the case of KDENlive, just installing it made some changes to the system and you could not boot or repair it. So, this android-like paradigm sound great to me.

@bikrammahato6528 Год назад

DT uncle what is the best VM for using my win 7 iOS file??

@tylerdean980 Год назад

Virtualbox works fine for windows. Don’t bother with qemu with windows, qemu is faster with BSD and Linux, but not windows

@nawazwaseem2219 6 месяцев назад

I like the invisible taskbar, awesome feature!

@dibyanshmohanta752 Год назад

Well here's how it works. sudo abroot shell. And then install packages using apt. Exit from the shell and reboot. Then you can use it directly run it from the terminal.

@ahmadsupriyanto503 Год назад

damn, I didn't know about this. thank you

@anasouardini Год назад

how do you compare this to nala?

@awwastor Год назад

wow this looks really cool, I might actually consider it when I need to install Linux on some machine not in dual boot (when dual booting Indon’t really care about the stability of my district much)

@josecasanova5770 Год назад

Good explanation! Thanks!

@TheDrTrouble Год назад

Dual booting isn't available, but so on their discord server a contributor said that manual partitioning should enabled with next release which should happen really soon. manual partitioning should support dual booting.

@pmagic644 Год назад

manual partitioning is not available yet because of abroot

@BennoKushnir Год назад

Would "apx install tldr" work ?

@gregbirger5810 Год назад

Compared to most linux distros I've tried, this actually seems functionally like a major PITA.

@milohoffman274 Год назад

MENTAL NOTE: If you want to get a spectacular review from Derek, put 99% of your distro work into having some awesome wallpaper.

@merthyr1831 Год назад

Lmao. He's definitely right though - How many times I've otherwise been put off a distro from distrowatch because the maintainer has replaced the GNOME/KDE wallpapers with something fundamentally ugly af.

@terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад

If you choose your Linux distro based on wallpaper, you really shouldn't be using Linux.

@emptybottle1200 Год назад

@@terrydaktyllus1320 i use arch because of its neofetch ascii art

@milohoffman274 Год назад

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Tell it to DT :)

@terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад

@@emptybottle1200 Weirdo.

@christiansmith2658 Год назад

Wayland works great with Nvidia?

@farhangh3577 Год назад

what are the system requirements ?

@jeffreyjohnson3600 Год назад

Alias for the apx run ****???

@fubaralakbar6800 Год назад

All those different packaging systems would drive me insane.

@burning_KFC Год назад

As always writing a comment to support the channel

@alvkraft Год назад

Didn't know that one, nice distro!

@coughcough6692 5 месяцев назад

I had the same annoying issue with the loading on silver blue ublue a lot of these immutable distros run really slow though like 1.20 GB of RAM is kind of a lot well I'm not running any anything like soon as I open up Firefox it bumps up to 2 GB of RAM it just seems not really that optimized in my opinion especially for gaming there's other lightweight distros that are better optimized like microOS or steam OS not sure about bazite

@davew882 9 месяцев назад

My evaluation passwords are 3 letters on my testing laptop. I watched one review that had a password that looked like ***************** why?

@jdebultra Год назад

Good stuff, thanks

@anielrivera7977 Год назад

im new to linux and i just installed vanilla os and so far its cool

@ronny332 Год назад

in my eyes really a desktop thing. It's simply an overload if you know what you want and use like myself the lowest amount of tools to get done what you want. But for sure a good way to learn more about the Linux Desktop Apps. Since flatpak I try more GUI Apps the ever before, just because installing them does not mess up the whole system.

@andTutin Год назад

Why not base os directly on Debian why chaining it like that

@temari2860 Год назад

One thing to keep in my mind, especially as a user like you. Many modern distros and desktop linux technologies are targeted solely on GUI interaction. GNOME, their software manager, all their apps together with gnome circle apps, flatpaks, immutable systems, all of those are not very friendly for terminal based user interaction experience.

@eliinthewolverinestate6729 Год назад

That sound a lot like some thing I should try after I finish my Fedora hop on the spare usb. Its been a while since I used Gnome.

@PouyaAtaei Год назад

wow really impressed!

@damolin77 Год назад

5:55am eyes still opening

@DistroTube Год назад

Coffee...it helps. ;)

@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 Год назад

11:00 here... Let me guess... France, Spain?

@driden1987 Год назад

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 Is your name from the mayans tv show ?

@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 Год назад

@@driden1987 When did mayans meet wolves or wolves inhabit Yucatan? (by the way, yucatan literally means "I don't understand you" XD).

@venkatesheraser 6 месяцев назад

seems very similar to NIX OS or am i missing anything?

@temari2860 Год назад

I think what you did wrong there when you tried to remove vim flatpak, is you should have used the flatpak canonical name, so: "flatpak remove Vim" (capitalized)

@ubuntubad Год назад

apx package manager is in the AUR now!

@kahnmadeit Год назад

nice video!

@kdemetter Год назад

Ooh I need to try that. I especially like the sound of ABRoot. Reminds me of NixOS, but hopefully easier

@kdemetter Год назад

4:51 It needs 50 GB of disk space ? That's seems rather bloated for a distro called 'vanilla' ;-)

@moarjank Год назад

His tone when he said "Of course it's gonna be Gnome Software" was very funny to me for some reason.

@JeffreyJohnsonC 10 месяцев назад

Probably need to exit terminal and go back in for htop to be added to path. Nevermind. Guess the "run" option is needed. Sounds like a lot of aliases needed.

@The1RandomFool Год назад

You can make an alias to run vim from the Flatpak with just "vim".

@Cavi587 Год назад

The concept seems really great. But I guess it still needs more work. Gonna keep an eye on this.

@robertarce5377 Год назад

I have a hp laptop 💻 that was running windows 11 it was slower than molasses I switched to Linux fedora 37 I noticed a incredibly difference in speed and performance but I still have glitching issues and app crashes that annoyed me now I see this vanilla os it might be limited but I need speed and functionality the gaming experience also looks 👀 great!

@savag Год назад

20:19 I think flatpak failed to remove Vim is because you tried to run flatpak as sudo.

@Nomad-qm3zf Год назад

Anyone with experience with both wanna compare Fedora Silverblue with Vanilla OS?

@ChrisMoody Год назад

You could also set up an alias for vim

@lamaromatv Год назад

Kinda disappointed that you didn't test installing something from the AUR. That would have been an interesting experiment.

@BasiliskTheBirdGod Год назад

this feels like an attempt at a standalone version of bedrock linux that just runs every app in a separate container instead of the separate distros themselves. speaking of which, id love to see you check bedrock linux out.