Nigel is a legend. Part of the problem with football is that every 50-50 decision you have 5-6players from each side screaming at the referee. Bring in the rule from rugby where only the captain can speak to the ref,...then why else is he wearing the armband...they don't do anyhting else.
Nigel Owens. Legend. Top, top, top, top, top, top, top bloke and ref. If only he could be cloned. Ref every footy match. He'd sort the players out and the VAR.
What's stopping football in implementing a challenge system in VAR? I absolutely agree that VAR is overused. Every goal is NOT supposed to go under a microscope. That sucks the joy in football. The explosion of ecstacy when the ball bulges the net is GONE! I'll have 1 VAR challenge for each team per game. You use it, you lose it, regardless of the final decision. So maximum of 2 VAR checks per game. If all VAR checks has been used, we go old school. If there's an marginal offside during the goal at the 90th minute and all VAR checks has been used, live with it.
The problem is not with VAR as a technology, but HOW that technology is being used and the rules around it. As Nigel Owens said, rugby isn't perfect, but that fact that everyone understands WHY a referee gave a decision definitely helps a lot, regardless if they agree with it. It also helps that referees in rugby tend to be far more respected than those in football. I think what needs to happen is the referee needs to communicate more/better with the linesman (like they do rugby) because one man cannot hope to see everything. Also, the referee should be the one to check with VAR if they feel there is a need (ie, was someone offside, was there an incident in the box that should be a penalty etc). Once these very specific rules are set, then the use of the technology will become better and smoother.
If a rugby referee ran a football match to the same standard as a rugby match I don't think the game would end with 11 players on the pitch for each team.
Mic'd refs (and VAR room) to have trail of accountability. VAR room is given a maximum of 30 seconds to judge on any incident. Can't make a call in that time then it's not "clear and obvious". This even applies to offsides. Any ambiguity on offisides must benefit the attacking team.
Also. IMO, the ridiculous shoulder or finger tip in position rule has to go. Only foot in position of being behind defenders should decide offside or not. Also having to have two defenders behind goalkeeper for a goal to be legit is ridiculous.
You'd be surprised how likely it is, at times, for the referee to take time because he's looking for a solid enough reason to move from the decision he took; and not because it's the right decision. This is where the subjective way referees look at incidents becomes a problem. The more people talk about 'it wasn't clear and obvious', the more you're going to have these issues. Make matters more binary. It's the only way you'll get consistency because ambiguity is a slippery slope.
whether you accept it now or later, the fact doesn't changes that VAR certainly has taken away that precious feeling of scoring a goal and for this very reason VAR must go.
Its common to hear a rugby referee ask the VAR\TMO "Is there any obvious reason I cannot stick with onfield decision and award the try?". In football most VAR reviews are based around a question of "Any reason I cannot award the goal?". Onfield decisions count for nothing. Less goals means less enjoyment, less emotion and this has ruined the game overall imo.
Rugby is the same, if there’s a reason not to award a try, they don’t. Whether the ball has been passed forwards in the build up, player involved is offside, or the ball is dropped and not placed over the line. Rugby just does it far more effectively. It’s fundamentally the same principle.
@@trtvitor1385 Incorrect, if there is a clear and obvious reason not to award a goal or a try then Rugby and Football are the same. However, in Football If there is a subjective call in a non clear and obvious incident then the VAR official makes that call and the referee generally agrees with him. In rugby, non clear and obvious decisions will always result in the onfield decision being kept, American Football the same. There seems to be no such thing as an onfield decision in Football and "Clear and Obvious" seems to have gone out the window also. High scoring games like Rugby and American Football benefitted from VAR but Football has lost its soul since it was introduced.
@@declanokeeffe84 There is rarely a subjective call surrounding the legitimacy of a try though. The factors that would put the legitimacy of a try into dispute, are by and large, black and white.
LEGEND. A cool headed Sports Fan who Referees to the betterment of Rugby Union and does so with a firm, gentle and warm AUTHORITY. Mic Up Football Referees. Mic Up Assistant Referees. And IF that means: Players have to speak to Referees, Assistants and each other in non-abusive , non-foul mouthed terms. WIN. Players can no longer overcrowd and attempt to intimidate Referees and Assistant Referees. WIN. Referees can outline the rationale behind their decisions. WIN. And let the Crowd hear the dialogue. WIN.
I'm glad Nigel talks about the overuse of the Video Ref. I remember one game where the ref checked the VR for almost all the tries to see they were good. I get they don't want the backlash if they get a decision wrong. But by the time a ref gets to officiate a 6 Nations or World Cup match, they SHOULD have enough experience by that point.
Nigel said about pressure in a game, it doesn’t help when there are 6 players surrounding a referee! It’s sometimes really immature from players doing that! It means that the conversation between captain and referee is straight forward and easy to understand for the officials and the players! You saw Kieran Trippier doing that telling one of his players to go away while he was talking to ref! It just makes it much easier!
It will get better if He brings a more transparent form of refereeing the way they do it here in America. PRO has the Inside Video Review channel where each week after the slate of games. They release the conversation between Referee and VAR on all VAR decision. If Prem and European Soccer would have a level of confidence in calls on the field that we are required as referee's to have in America they would already have this. I haven't refereed at the highest level yet but in my opinion as a progressing referee and fan of MLS this level of transparence helps minimize the backlash on certain call.
The way the rugby officials communicate and allow for spectators to listen in does allow for some transparency, but there should also be a strict time limit (with CLEAR evidence) on video checks to overturn the original onfield decision.
i think the rules are in such a state that they invite subjectivity and FIFA are hardly a dynamic organisation able to push change through. VAR should help to make the decisions on the pitch more objective and therefore better. The problem is the rules leave too much room for personal opinion.
Think VAR should primarily be used for on/offside decisions where it can use its accuracy to be precise, as goaline tetch is, then give managers a 'Refs Challenge', so ref & linesmen officiate the game, just like they used to, only calling for VAR to check on/offsides & to review like incidents between players off the ball but work out a system, which limits how many they can use over the season to stop abuse, that if a manager thinks a ref missed something they can challenge the decision for the ref to go review it, from several angles to see if they or linesman made a clear mistake like the manager/players say
lets hope Howard can sort the present mess out. I have never known so many poor referees and the present regime must take responsibilty for their arrogance in how problems are dealt with. The sooner they are out the door the better
The overuse is my biggest issue with VAR. They sold it to us that it woukd only be used for "clear and obvious errors". Instead they've made it mandatory that every goal be reviewed to death. Looking for any irrelvant incident going back minutes before the goal to chalk them off. Investigating every offside to a millimeter. Nobody wants this. When someone is 2 years offside and they miss it. That's what we want. Or when someone gets pulled down by thier hair in the box,.... they lied to us.
How do the officials using VAR evaluate a clear and obvious error when the referee doesn't seem it as such? This ambiguity is the prime reason behind the subjectively differing ways referees look at the same situation. Same as fans. Things need to be more binary for there to be an irrefutable baseline and now that it's happening, everyone's miserable and whinging about the passion and emotion disappearing from games.
@@senzokai3156 pretty simple. If it's not obvious while they're watching then they don't get involved. If you have to review it for 3mns in slow motion its not an obvious error.
Rugby, cricket, hockey all have a system where u can hear what the referee on TV is saying & watch the replays so atleast u know why a decision is taken. Plus the only one who can talk to a referee or umpire is the captain. Also it should be the referee on ground who can refer the decision to the VAR rather then VAR who points their views to the ref and at the end ask the ref to view it rather then take the decision.
If Main ref thinks its not a foul and the VAR ref its a foul- that is the Problem, if the main ref did not see something/missed it then the other has to let him know, but only when there was something MAJOR missed, like a clear red card challenge or something like that...otherwise let the game flow
I support that on field referees taking independent decisions after being referred by VAR to the on field camera/TV. In the Chelsea-West Ham game, referee could have taken the right decision which every 12 yo could see, instead he also decided to steal the point against West Ham! That referee & VAR referee shouldn’t officiate. Similar with ones who didn’t penalize cucurella hairpull, disallows Newcastle goal, and linesman who wrongly raised the offside flag in courtinho goal vs city. My god, at least 5 wrong decisions in just couple of weeks!
If the VAR ref can't make up his mind in say 45 seconds the should just go to the original decision!! Cause if u can't see a obvious mistake straight away on a reply.... could go on but
VAR is to help the referee if he is not sure abt his decision. He cannot be asking VAR every time a goal is score. VAR should let the referee do his job on the ground 1st n not interfere in every foul or goal. That is rubbish.
The reason why Rugby is different from Football is that all Rugby players are educated people , people from rugby are from university or college. Football players, there is high percentage players uneducated and more ex football players are failiers in life long after the game.
If you get ex-pros in the VAR box, the bias will be so bad the decisions will be worse. Imagine Carragher having to make a decision to lose Liverpool a match lol, especially if it meant losing a title... A better idea is complete independent refs from overseas imo. Remove any bias at all. These football refs are refs because they love the game, they love the game because they watched and supported a team growing up. They probably have some bias they can't get rid of, some teams they don't like. High quality foreigners as refs, no attachments and so forth
Sad to say whilst I loved Nigel style of refereeing in Rugby is also very poor. It helps with try scoring confirmations but it has slowed the game down alot like VAR Is doing with 4mimutes stops. I think it's just human mature. People will keep making mistakes. Some less than others but mistakes non the less.
I think it needs to be used more and take longer if need be. The frustration with VAR is nothing compared to the anger and frustration at poor refereeing without it. What needs to be done, is a proper review of the laws so that they align with VAR and the main objective should be to do the right thing
So why this problem not happening in the others league across Europe then because premier league ref or not fair they or doing a personal thing with the side they don't like
Still waiting for conversation about why the potential leg breaker v Bruno didn’t go var but guess that one isn’t important with arsenal fans crying constantly.
I've watched countless rugby games and I've never seen a player dive or milk a tackle or players run up and surround the referee it's always the captain and if any player is in front of the captain the captain throws them back and they listen to him and then the captain and ref have a chat same goes if one of his players does something wrong the ref tells the captain why. Football refs are too soft and allow things the rugby refs wouldn't stand for and it needs to be bought into the game that way the refs might have more confidence in making difficult decisions during games.
It's not the tech fault, it's the humans running it. If we had AI tech, probably make accurate calls. It would be a lot easier if var spotted the issue and a ref looks at a screen for 30 seconds. Makes his call. Rugby even play it in the stadium for the ref. It's var have a chat and a recommendation but ultimately ref makes the call. What's the big deal about taking 30 seconds out to make a call. It's not like it's used constantly.
If players stayed on their feet more and stopped rolling around at a gust of wind holding their legs as if they are going to drop off only to then get up and sprint in the next phase of play the referees would not have to rely on var as much. This is now a deep rooted issue and to me is getting worse as years go by. The play acting has to be quashed from youth to adult level. Referees have to be supported to help stop this...i would have no issue if a player is told to just get up and get on with the game...i know the "dark arts" are a major part (sadly) but the thought of someone deliberately trying to get a fellow professional sent off for nothing is a pretty sad state that football has allowed itself to get into. I'm sorry but these players are in the gym every day and are built like monsters...are you telling me someone brushing their shoulder is going to bring them down like a sack of potatoes... The other issue is social media...refs can be frustrating but, as we dont want players to be racially abused a ref receiving death threats or having their familys (often children) abused and threatened with horrific and often sexual violence...no wonder they dont want to make a decision and look to var to vindicate and make that decision for them...that has to be stopped and supported in a simlar way.
It's well established that the English, across profiles in this sport, are not at the level of their European counterparts. Move away from employing exclusively British referees in this sport and the difference will be evident.
There’s a lot football can learn from rugby, not just the use of technology but players not crying on the floor and respecting the officials . A game played by proper men
VAR in. Ya,it's not perfect ,but it's better than what we had previously . Also, if souness told me tommorow was Wednesday I'd get the calendar out. The man's a cretin
@@robandrews8047 in some ways Nigel improved the use of TMOs in rugby by telling them to speed things up in real time rather than slow motion. Unlike a lot of football refs he refereed kids and park matches to keep himself rooted to the foundation of the sport whilst travelling across the world to ref international games.
