I got an email for Daryl yesterday saying, "…our Oni Paddles are scheduled to be de-listed by USAP." They're also offering refunds for anyone who purchased one. Vatic is a small company and this will be a huge hit for them.
I have no trouble with hard drives with my Forza mock two. Plenty of aces and short returns. One advantage is I can swing harder than on a power paddle and so I get more topspin on my drives.
I think they saw the more rigorous testing from reviews including cutting the core open and reports of the break in periods. Then Joola marketing talking about the slingshot core and they realized they messed up.
I would actually suggest an elongated to a new player. They have less wrist control. I feel like elongated drag more which make it easier to hit drops and dinks. With a standard it whips quicker causing more miss hits.
Made it to the kitchen. Happy belated birthday, Chris 🎉 Fingers 🤞🏻🍀crossed on getting your mortgage. I’m liking the standard shape of the Spartus Apollo paddle and am waiting for the FatBoy to release. Hubby is loving the Shogun AND the WILLINATOR. I’m his drilling “dummy” and get abused at least twice a week with both paddles. 😂❤
I'm looking at Honolulu Picklelball's Sword & Shield J3K Pro. I love their J2K Pro and J7K Pro paddles. The older Anna Scorpeus is also great and actually measured up well to the new Gen3. Personally, I don't see why the Gen3 Anna was delisted -- I've not experienced any of the problems it supposedly is prone too -- just a nice upgrade from original. I'm keeping my Gen3 for rec play and non-championship matches.
@@gunzorro agree really enjoyed the Gen 3 but just can’t put up with the whining and one mouth, oh using a cheater paddle….I am so use to 14mm paddles, most are 16mm now. Reverted back to an old CRBN 2X 14mm, just miss the pop and power of the Anna Bright Gen 3.
Would really like you both to review the "THOMPSON" Model A. New concept for frame construction. "true feel" Sidewall Technology. Check em out. Your comments on "reach' and "elongated" are spot on. Balls "off the toe" are very low percentage for accuracy. Looking forward to Wills "tomahawk roll" Great to hear the back is better Chris. Top end PT clinics are a great thing to have close to home. Buttock clenches in your future. Congrats on the new home deal.
How do you interpret the USAP equipment guide on an 18 month notice of delisting vs the note following it allowing testing parameters to change at USAP discretion
Happy birthday, Chris! I do love playing with the Spartus Apollo. And I have a tennis background. Really helped my game for forgiveness and control. It is not lacking in power and my spin shots are even better with it. I didn’t have any issues switching from my hybrid shaped paddle which I’ve been using for a year to the Apollo. Really also has helped a lot with hands battles. Definitely moving faster than with my hybrid.
@@PickleballStudio Thanks for adding them. I really appreciate that you take the time to have them on your podcasts. It makes it easy for me to listen and keep track while I am working.
I always make it this far… Loved the Ruby following a year on the Scorpeus Gen2 Now on the Luxx & Gamma Airbender for Max Control… I just hit less resets out with it, and way better dinks & Drips…
i started doing the low tomahawk when other teams are baseline, as an alternative to backhand roll/flick. This came after watching another player do a full squat and basically hit an overhead smash from the crouched position. Nevertheless, once you get pretty low to the floor you get a good perspective of where everyone is at, and can adjust the angle of the tomahawk to either hit flat and deep, or angle the ball shallow with big angle. It's very affective if you can squat properly. Then again, ...my ancestors actually picked rice as farmers so i think its in my blood. 😂
I made it this far. Also I guess I like hybrid and standard shapes, but I don't think I've seen a standard paddle that feels as good to play with as the DBD. My friend just got the Willinator as he's been wanting it since it was even hinted at.. And loves it. The spin he is getting on it is crazy
My first paddle was a hybrid shape. Now I'm playing with the Apollo. It only took me about 2 hours to get used to the lower sweet spot. I'm still experimenting with weight to get the plow through I want, though. I like heavier paddles and the sw on the Apollo is pretty low. Overall, I really like the standard shape. I'm playing it as my main paddle, and I plan to continue using it.
I just sold the apollo, I felt it was lacking in most areas vs my volairM2F16. Weighted up and everything, I was disappointed. I was expecting more pop n power as reviewed. Even the spin wasn't noticeably better. Brand new direct, 10 days old.
@@dv8tion388hmm interesting… I just got the Apollo and like the shape, but considering if the M2F is a better paddle. I’ve been wanting to try the M2F.
@@juansantiago1441 I haven't played the M2F16 so I can't compare, but I love the Apollo. Mine has great spin. Day 1 I felt like I could hit it as hard as I wanted with some topspin, and it would stay in. Control felt easy and the pop was great. I've added weight because I like heavier swing weights for volleys and drives.
All my paddles i own are elongated or hybrid because im short and want that extra reach. I find myself wanting to swap to a standard shape but not sure which one to try first.
If the USAP didn't do adequate testing initially, approved the paddles, then tested more rigorously and delisted the paddles, it seems to me that they are at fault not the manufacturers. To me this is signaling they are incompetent as a regulatory body. Unless there was wrongdoing or gross negligence on the part of the paddle companies, USAP should be paying refunds and the cost of making customers whole.
The big question is another one - what is normal wear and tear and when does a paddle become illegal, based on the fact that by use it's changing the properties? Cause let's be honest, looks like what some makers tried is some kind of planned delamination, right? And if the paddle brand new has some properties, you use it for 2 weeks let's say and now the properties has changed should it still be legal?
Rules should change based on new conditions and new policies. A paddle approval once given should be capable of being revoked based on new information, better testing technology and new policies in a sport that is evolving growing and changing.
@@joelsinger5069 like USAP was ever in the Dark that the game has been evolving. USAP didn't give manufactures maximum Power range for their paddles. improvisatory practice for an organization that's been around since the 80's is a terrible way to operate. In the end everyone loses. REACTIVE OUTCOME: Paddle companies lose money, lose customers, upset with USAP. USAP upsets Paddle companies and Costumers. Customers are upset with USAP and Paddle Company, costumers loses trust. The easy part for the consumers, the possible research and purchasing a paddle from any retail, the hardest part is letting go of something you have been accustomed to and have to go through hurdles trying to get your money back.
If you listen to the head of UPA on Jilly B’s podcast, it’s clear enough that the governing bodies have absolutely no idea what they’re doing. He talked about the need for “something like” an exit velocity test, but would not or could not indicate when any sort of reasonably objective test might become part of their regular protocol. She asked some absolutely spot-on, penetrating questions and he was like a crippled Fred Astaire trying to limp away from the intent of her questions. It was embarrassing.
Augie Gu was playing with a Prism V7 from all of the game footage that I've seen. I still prefer the V7 shape over the Flash even though I have both in the Prism and Pro versions.
@kabnis2022 For Augie not sure. I have a long handle Prism V7 and standard handle Prism Flash. The pro models were only available with a standard handle until recently. You can now get the Flash with a long handle.
I can attest to a weak core being a driver of back pain. Fifteen years ago I had a lot of pain and did little core and strength work but after I started doing power yoga regularly and lots of planks and pushups and lifting weights, the pain pretty much vanished.
Can you do a video on “best” hybrid, standard/wide body, and elongated paddles? That would be helpful. I think a hybrid shape is nice because you get the pros of both and less of the cons. I guess you get slightly less of the pros as well but seems like a nice “sweet spot”😂
@@joeypupillo5210 Well, "best" by shape is all subjective though. There are so many paddles out there that are equally as good, but they have performance differences that may be a better fit for certain people. It would make more sense to sort by best paddles in spin, control, power, all-court, and value categories. He already did that with his end of the year paddle awards which he'll prob do again at the end of the year. Granted, his 2023 paddle awards are missing all of the amazing recent releases.
This is embarrassing for the governing body and the sport. Paddles should never need to be delisted. They should be tested properly from the start and not approved. Paddles can be tested to see if they will break down later using machines. They do not need to wait for months of use. It's called a mechanical stress test and they can simulate years of use. They do this in EVERY other industry.
@@aaronsegal1682 same here, I call Doug the supreme leader haha I’m an ambassador for BnB so I’ve got a couple filths, locos, shoguns, shirts, shorts and the ktchn bag haha just don’t tell my wife how much all those cost
Arent you the ones that actually exposed the USAPA Rule that Trampoline effect is NOT allowed? Kudos to you. Sincerely... you made it aware. The actual testing should always include reviewing the actual paddle designs that are submitted. As per 2.6.7. rule that you mentioned in your earlier cast.
You should check out the new neonic flare prime releasing mid july. Long boy handle (5.5 but reallt 5.75 it feels like the handle length on the engage pursuit pro mx) on a standard face and a super poppy 14mm meant to be like a long handle alw or anna bright scorpeus gen 3. Specs are looking like 105 swing weight with 6.8 twist weight and with a couple inches of lead its 107 and 7.3. They are also coming out with a 16mm meant to be still poppier than the volair forza mach 2 (16mm I’m assuming). The neonic flow was a really good hybrid control paddle with a different hybrid face shape so you could probably review all 4 at once the flow and flare in both the thicknesses (prime denoting 14mm)
Recently, I switched from the CRBN 1x and 3x to the Anna Bright Gen3. Everything you said today about advantages, rings true. I haven’t missed many balls by a 1/2” since I made the switch. The paddle is definitely more stable in blocks and resets. My hands are quicker at the net. My friends see the difference in my game. (Maybe some of that is the Gen3…) The one issue - I miss overheads off the tip of the paddle occasionally. I haven’t gotten completely used to the shorter length. I don’t expect to go back to elongated any time soon.
Re: PT: it’s weird how quick they can find the tightness or weakness that is driving the pain. 30 min with a PT solved a plantar fasciitis issue I’d spent months trying to figure out myself.
@pickleballstudio here's what I wonder about paddles.....I have a Puslar FX R2......and I'm wondering if other pickleball players buy different shapes/styles as a quiver of options?
Even if we return these paddles we’re buying. How can we go out and buy a new one with confidence it will not get banned? They should not be delisting. Have better protocol in place before you accept paddles.
I’ve been using hybrid shaped paddles (Six Zero BD, Ruby, Hurache X Control+, Thrive Azul), but I’ve been playing with the Magnus and I’m really enjoying it.
USAP is coming up with a new CoR (Coefficient of Restitution) test. And they are delisting already approved paddles based on that. They' haven't come up with their acceptable CoR, but they are using the Oni, Gen3, and Ripple are their basis for paddles with unacceptable CoR. They straight up stated that the Ripple met all current testing parameters and was delisted because of the upcoming CoR testing. I'd wager the gearbox is on tomorrows hit list.
maybe paddles characteristics changes over time compared to its original form and that's why they get delisted? breaking in period exceeds USAP standards?
I enjoyed the podcast and I made it to the kitchen. I hope that physical therapy helps with your back problems. Hopefully, everything will go smoothly with the purchase of your house. I originally started with a standard shape to an elongated shape to a hybrid shape and now back to an elongated shape, because I need the reach. This is just my opinion on why those paddles were delisted. USAP tested and approved the delisted paddles before their break in period. The paddles changed after their break in period, so they are no longer the same paddle that was initially tested and approved. I am wondering if any of those paddles would have passed and been certified, if USAP tested the same paddles after their break in period? What are your thoughts on this?
I loved my Engeage Pursuit pro EX 6.0. It broke so I got the Pro 1 which I love and the TBD Wil... that is growing on me. for me the two handed backhand is a must. Keep up the great work.
Thank you all for another great video. What are your thoughts on the Gearbox Elongated shape vs. the shorter Integra/Fusion shape? I am demoing the Pro Control and like it but the swing weight of the elongated version is high and I feel sluggish in firefights. I am waiting for the Integra Pro control to be delivered so I can see if I like the shorter paddle with the lower swing weight.
Widebody has been a huge plus for my game. As a newbie I was banging away at everything. It’s that way with most male and reasonably fit newbies. To progress I need/needed to develop the soft game. Added bonus is that I have a bad habit of looking up too soon when swinging, so the bigger sweet spot helps a lot.
Love the phase 1 and phase two testing and transparency suggestion. The issue is the break-in period with these D-list paddles. They pass before they break in.
I am playing with the Ghurken Phantom standard shape it does not have power but with a swing weight of 115 and a huge sweet spot is a great idiot proof paddle and I am able to attest to this.
They are aware. The new protocol is the Coefficient of Restitution, or CoR test, which they mentioned. The reason this is still confusing is that the CoR test has been announced, but it hasn't been added to USAP's paddle testing process. It isn't in the USAP rulebook yet. They haven't even announced what score on the test is a passing grade. So it doesn't make sense that already-approved paddles would be delisted because of a test that hasn't rolled out yet. Even if it were happening, USAP is supposed to have rules around giving advance notice when they change their own testing standards in a way that would ban existing paddles.
