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Scorpion may have been the single most impressive and successful procurement program of the 21st century. It produced 3 stellar vehicles and came in on time and on budget.
Well done video sir! Belgium not only ordered the Griffon and the Jaguar (and 28 Cesar NG). They also train with the French army in the CAMO program. The French doctrine of using army vehicles with as many of the shelf parts as possible keeps costs low and replacement quick, it also makes civilian maintance possible for most of the vehicle if needed.
Griffon is a middle weight armoured vehicle, the light weight is its equivalent called Serval which weighs only 17 tons, an ATM 400 can carry 2 of them instead of one sole Griffon which weighs 25 tons.
Definitely a well thought vehicle, hopefully successful for exportation as the french defence industry needs some wins vs overwhelming USA industry heavily supported by its government.
Man, i can tell france didn't cut any cornors here. They made a highly modular, connected, and mobile vehicle without any crazy out of the box ideas. And since it was made with mobility in mind, i'm sure the shipping and handling goes smooth too.
It is important to note that, as the Griffon, the latest version of the VAB (VAB "Ultima") lost its amphibious capability because of a better IED / guns protection.
Also as a "battle taxi", I don't think its role is that relevant when it comes to amphibious capability, especially since its taller profile allows it cross shallow water easier. Also the VBCI is more than enough to fulfill that role
@@quakethedoombringerces aussi car la France à trouver une bien meilleure solution un pont flottant l'armée française dispose de véhicule qui peuvent devenir des ponts flottant. Il permet de faire passer tout les véhicules français même le Leclerc et donc plus besoin des capacités amphibie "Rampe de pont flottant motorisé" these also because France to find a much better solution a pontoon bridge the French army has a vehicle that can become pontoon bridges. It allows to pass all French vehicles even the Leclerc and therefore no longer need the amphibious capabilities "Motorized floating bridge ramp"
As always, amazing and top-quality video! Thanks for this content! Just wanted to point out the "item" when comparing Boxer to VBMR-VBCI combo; the countries that have chosen the Boxer do not have the Africa theater, which is extremely demanding in some features, but do not face "high-tech" enemies, so a vehicle such the Griffon or the Serval could fulfill this tasks without any problem, keeping costs lower than deploying VBCI and also allowing for less logistical effort. I would like to know how much the total cost of the program + buying each unit is compared to just buying more VBCI or Boxers (for the other countries). Maybe some of the Boxer buyers though about similar development, but it just didn't make sense as they do not have the needs and can reduce logistical costs by buying more Boxers (and therefore fielding less platforms into their inventories). Finally, if you do a video about the Serval (I hope so) it would be great to compare it to the VBMR, because right now I still don't see how do they fulfill "different" roles. Thank you, keep doing this great videos!
I think, that the Serval os just lighter and probably needs less maintenance due to the 4x4 configuaration. So, it could be more suitable for air transportation and lower intensity scenarios or rapid reaction. I am only guessing.
@@deepsteep4748 exactly, the Serval was announced as the main vehicle of a "rapid deployment force". Moreover, you can load 2 Servals per A400 M but only one Griffon
I think the Serval fits better as a armored patrol/scout car, where you need something faster and require less maintenance while the Griffon fulfills the role of the battle taxi where more troops may be required to deal with the situation
Nice video, would be interesting to see one also about the Titus, that the Czech army is currently procuring(i think its 60pcs). It is based on Tatra chasis. Slovak army also eyeing those after the Patria amvxp purchase
I applaud our French allies for making the excellent VBMR Griffon series of multifunctional military armored wheeled vehicles. The French Caesar 155mm artillery system has been a major success in the Ukraine. The U.S. should equip most of the U.S. Army with VBMR Griffon and the NATO Boxer series of wheeled armored vehicles for commonality. The need to keep down costs through a scale of economy is crucial for the dangerous peacekeeping and peacemaking missions our soldiers will face around the globe.
WTF the US will buy thousand of VBMR Griffon. Do you notice how much money this will represent inside French industries ? I never see such US politicians willing to increase another NATO's ally into the same level or close level as US military.
The U.S. Army have their own fleet of multifunctional military armored wheeled vehicles. There is zero logical reason behind mothballing it to replace the currently existing fleet with VMBR Griffin series and BOXER AFV, two vehicles that already possess a very short list of operators within NATO, making commonality a non-valid reason and excuse.
For those who say, will miss the VAB. You can still see them fighting in Ukraine, there are hundreds of them🤣. (incredible after 45 years of loyal service the VAB, still as efficient, even in the Ukrainian mud).
The vehicle description shown looks very similar to the Timoney MP66 which was designed and Prototyped back in the 90s for the Irish Defence forces . But never came into service with the Irish Defence forces. It was the 6x6 version of the MP44 Bushmaster. The 6x6 was actually designed, Prototyped and manufactured. No actual numbers are known to exist but one was built by the Timoney team back in the 90s. In connection with the Irish Defence forces declared to go with a 6x6 configuration other than that of the 4x4 Timoney Bushmaster now in service with Australia and other nations. It looks as the 6x6 was given a rebirth.
Should be interesting to compare the logic between Griffon/ serval/ Jaguar VS Boxer program. From the same problem, the both countries choosed two different path. Scorpion choose to make three different specialized, and each highly customizable, vehicules - but sharing the samed wheels, transmissions and engine. And germany choose the same vehicule but you can swap modules, sacrifying greatly the inner space and adding weight - but with better protection and higher modularity.
The German Army puts a lot more focus on high intensity combined arms than the French Army. Not just represented by Boxer and Griffon/Serval/Jaguar. Their IFVs as example, 43 ton tracked Puma - 25 ton wheeled VBCI. German 'medium' forces have heavier vehicles than French mechanised. Completely different doctrines.
@@jonny2954 from wikipedia VBCI page : "VCI: 28.5 t/32 t (normal / combat load) VPC: 28.5 t/32 t (normal / combat load) [...] VBCI 2 The VBCI 2 is an improved version, intended for export sales, with new engine (600 hp Volvo D13 turbocharged diesel engine), new air conditioner, and new vision cameras. It is heavier (32 t) and the prototype is equipped with a T40 two-man turret (40mm gun)." Different doctrine. Look at "Vextra" demonstrator (from end 90's). Kindof ferrari VBCI.
@@Solveig.Tissot No? There’s nothing about the doctrinal design of Germany’s vehicles that are weakening its army, that’s nonsense. The problem lies in its bureaucracy and budget management.
On a RU-vid clip by the French army it is said the Volvo motor has 500, not 400 HP. Which is still of course far away of the 1000-1700 HP of the Bugatti Veyrons....
It has some really interesting features, but doesn't look like a good location for the remote weapons station.. 4hrs to swap the power pack is terrible.
@weapon detective Could you cover the LAV 6.0 s that Canada has sent (and finally delivered) to Ukraine. As a Canadian I'd like to know how they stack up against what other countries have been sending. The US gets coverage for its donation of old Strykers, which are a LAV 3 with upgrades. But we send Ukraine new vehicles we've just taken deliver of, and zero coverage outside of Canada.
i showed my dad farmerized ww2 tanks.... he says hed rather have one of those eastern block pseudo tractors than a 150k+ "pos from johndeere" lets goooo boys!!!
Honestly the troops using either VAB or Griffon are still only a beefed-up motorised infantry, and as such, they are no match against any enemy capable of deploying armoured & mechanised units.
@@matovicmmilan the Griffons haven't been developed to fight mechanised infantry directly, they have been designed as a standard armored vehicle that transport infantry in a safiest and fastiest way possible without having a 35+ tons machine. Jaguars and VBCIs are designed to fight mechanised opponents. And you're wrong when you say they couldn't fight armored units, as French platoons in Griffon/VAB are organized as anti-armor unit, carrying AT4s and MMPs
@@remistiegler5302 If that is indeed the aim, then I don't get why they'd sacrifice amphibious capability. Indian Army is loath to sacrifice amphibious capability even in tracked ICVs and light tanks.
@@death_parade The removal of the amphibious capability isn't new, it has been decided during the 90s, they improved the armor of their VABs and AMX-10 RCs and by doing it made them lose their amphibious skill. For the new Scorpion vehicles, I guess you have to choose between an amphibious capability and a superior mine-blast protection
To be fair, this vehicle is just a 6x6 MRAP and it should be regarded as such. To be considered a battle-taxi (APC) it should've been able to follow tanks, a role best fulfilled by tracked or at the very least 8x8 wheeled vehicles either of APC or IFV configuration. For maintaining brutal oppression upon innocent people and for keeping colonies under occupation where the biggest threat are the occasional skirmish against small groups of poorly armed freedom fighters and potential IEDs and mines, I have no idea since I avoid the kind of people willing to participate in such jobs.
To follow our tanks we use VBCI who is gonna be mordenise. You can ride 800km really fast with tracked vehicule.. Now, for flank or to move an all tactical group you need a vehicule fast and quiet.. like the griffon. The french army tactical philosophy has always been mobility and rapidity to execution.
@@sulivanboris784 You mean modern french philosophy yes? Because your 50s philosophy was to dig in to camps surrounded by hills to be pounded in to ruin by Viet artillery.
@@remistiegler5302 Not dishonest, it was stated that they were always maneuver warfare. I pointed out that that was a lie. And They had the same issues in other parts of their empire. The only real movement warfare they did was the the African deserts.
@@nathanruben3372 then it would be the most protected APC on the entire battlefield if it happened. They would also be equipped with addon armor. What's your point here ? Do you believe all the Ukrainians move around in Boxers Armored vehicles ? 🤣
I am not quite sure if the front glass window would save the driver from several regular full medal jacket 7.62x39 which is the most common ammo in ukraine. I bet on that 12.7 mm just pierce through all the way.
@@anderssonnicolas6480 You've encountered an african troll. Yes, they're getting access to the Internet. Yes, they're coming online. Yes, you'll have to get used to them. 😅
