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Vecna: From Lich to Godhood - D&D Lore 

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This long awaited DnD Lore on the Arch-Lich Vecna spans the story of Vecnas rise from man to deity. There is a lot of material (most of it conflicting) on the deity Vecna, but his story is a classic tale of a rise to power despite the odds. One thing to note on this video for all of those lore guys in the comments are I did not get into the possible origins of his Lich powers, including topics like Mok'slyk the Serpent, Orcus, or other possible sources of power.
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@tyrant-den884
@tyrant-den884 4 дня назад
"Acerack, was it? They day you were allowed into Vecna's tower was the most important day of your existence; for me, it was Tuesday."
@leyrua
@leyrua 12 дней назад
The sword of Kas seems like a pretty archetypical evil artifact. Reminds me of an item I came up with that was a little more subtle. It was basically supposed to be a legendary sword of alarm, but it worked by allowing the wielder to telepathically hear antagonistic thoughts in a huge area around them. It wasn't that the sword was evil, it's just that the wielder was hearing all of the negative thoughts and "call to the void" moments of everyone around him (without hearing any of the positive thoughts), and eventually he went from being the loyal bodyguard of the king to gradually becoming more and more paranoid, until one day he snapped.
@VikingMale
@VikingMale 9 дней назад
Reverse it, all the can hear is good things. Even from the evil creatures and people’s that want him dead….
@bskec2177
@bskec2177 Месяц назад
This whole series is "You think you have a problem, let me tell you about me day" and I 'm totally here for that.
@dallaspark9100
@dallaspark9100 Месяц назад
While I know these stories of vecna by heart, your narration of the events are really engaging and well made, and I really hope you make a fallow up, these videos will help a lot of new DMs run Eve of ruin next month!
@venkelos6996
@venkelos6996 14 дней назад
Personally, I like the idea that, even as a deity, in addition to all his self-interested goals, he has "responsibilities", too; secrets he's maybe discovered, or even been handed, but that are now his responsibility to ensure no one else also learns of them. Maybe the lore with Thurizdan is true, and it's critically important no one else ever learns that they are all fitments in the dreaming Mad God's mind, or that if he ever wakes up, everything will blink out, like a dream, or be destroyed, and replaced with something "better". Maybe people who get too close to this become Nothics, to keep them from learning more. I like the bit where you explain how Vecna and Kas didn't actually die, but were flung through the Abyss. Liches are my favorite undead; evil, immortal archmages who spend eternity unlocking ever more power, but they protect themselves against final death with their phylactery, so I was curious how Kas bypassed his "get out of death free in seven days" card, but that only works if they are destroyed, so if he got flung into Ravenloft, where even his soul can't escape, that makes sense, and then once he became a deity, the Dark Powers pushed him back out, as they won't abide other gods in their domain.
@tyrant-den884
@tyrant-den884 4 дня назад
I like the idea of his respocibilities as the god of secrets going both way. Yeah, some secrets he absolutely has to keep. but he also kind of HAS to share some of his secrets with his cultists; as a high level cultist of secrets jHAS to get some secrets.
@CarmenMultz
@CarmenMultz День назад
10/10 man, keep up the awesome work! This channel is awesome
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes День назад
Thank you!
@user-wz7eq2yk6n
@user-wz7eq2yk6n Месяц назад
You know I started learning about dnd to figure out the plots of stranger things by watching these types of videos. Now I’m in too deep lol
@VikingMale
@VikingMale 9 дней назад
Read Gygax’s: Gord of Greyhawk series.
@robertcorr6971
@robertcorr6971 Месяц назад
Good work man, keep up the good work. I'm always interested in the Dark Lords of the Dread Domains so I was amped to see you cover the Vecna Reborn stuff.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes Месяц назад
Thanks! Me too
@autisticallyaccurate
@autisticallyaccurate Месяц назад
Follow Up, Please, What Happens After 'Die, Vecna, Die!'!
@VikingMale
@VikingMale 9 дней назад
His right hand…. His left hand is the hand of Vecna, but the right hand is secretly plotting against him and is on the side of good….
@KS-PNW
@KS-PNW Месяц назад
First one of your videos I've seen, it was really well done! Def gonna check out your other stuff 👍👍
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 28 дней назад
Thank you!
@IEatSand22890
@IEatSand22890 12 дней назад
Just wanted to say I enjoy your lore videos. Keep it up!
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 12 дней назад
Thank you!
@AvromCrovax
@AvromCrovax 16 дней назад
The question is did Cass become a vampire or was he the first dhampir?
@timothywootton5331
@timothywootton5331 Месяц назад
More Vecna is always wanted.
@Satori2046
@Satori2046 Месяц назад
Fantastic video, we need a follow up, plz.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes Месяц назад
Thanks!
@BeaglzRok1
@BeaglzRok1 14 дней назад
My personal twist for Vecna's story in my game is that Vecna orchestrated Kas' betrayal through the sword. He had faced enough enemies prior that he would recognize that any resistance against him, any defeat and destruction he might face, must be of his own design. Most modules that mention any Sword of Kas to use against Vecna, be it the real artifact or a replicated forgery, make mention that its abilities become impotent when brought into Vecna's presence, which is easily the biggest contradiction to the one part of his lore that literally everyone agrees on: the sword's power was greatly effective against Vecna. Vecna is THE Big Bad Evil Guy of D&D. His plans span centuries, but few people truly realize just how thorough one's knowledge and control needs to be in order to consider every potential variable across not just days or weeks of people having random impulses and all manner of extraplanar beings exerting their own influence, but hundreds of years. No DM can truly know the scope of the butterflies he has sown to reap fields of whirlwinds. A single false death sets a legend of false hope for millennia into the future that can be exploited again and again. More deviously, a man of secrets and falsehoods can turn even the truth into a weapon that, in regards to his capability, can inspire zealotry in his followers and despair in his enemies. All of this from merely one outcome of one fight during one day, let alone the actions he has taken both prior and since. The infamous Acererak of the Tomb of Horrors still feared him before his downfall, whose power is so great that his bids for godhood are known throughout the multiverse. None of this paints the picture of a villain that can be cut down and have his grip on the world released as with Sauron from Lord of the Rings, Vecna is far worse: an inevitability. Despite the loss of his empire and failed rituals, he has still made the jumps from mortal to undeath and from undeath to divinity. His is not a meteoric rise, spectacular as a bolt of lightning, but a slow, quiet, ceaseless, and often unnoticed march of death that can be stayed, but never stopped.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 14 дней назад
Damn this was beautiful. I love this theory, it does make TOTAL sense that the god of secrets has twists like this. I did not know that about the sword of kas being impotent near Vecna, that would put a hole in the climax of his story. You could also argue that that WAS his intended ritual, he wanted Kas to attack and planned it from the beginning, I mean it worked out for him, he did become a deity as a result of that fight
@thelibrary2
@thelibrary2 13 дней назад
well written serious & firm narrating feels like The stupendous wave, some dark souls aesthetic.
@antonile4521
@antonile4521 Месяц назад
Awesome video! 🔥
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes Месяц назад
Thanks!
@GinamosWithCherryOnTop
@GinamosWithCherryOnTop 6 дней назад
Basically he is just there amazing secrets and not caring about other people.
@limolnar
@limolnar 13 дней назад
I'd love to see your take on the Dead By Daylight introduction of 5e Vecna.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 13 дней назад
I had no idea about it until someone commented about it, not a game I play regularly but it looked awesome, I’ll check it out!
@LikeButton7
@LikeButton7 27 дней назад
A video on Orcus would be amazing.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 27 дней назад
You’ll never believe this
@LikeButton7
@LikeButton7 27 дней назад
@@The_NaturalOnesfound it!
@leavlas
@leavlas 17 дней назад
Where can i find the art of the ship going trough space/dimensions? At 17:51.
@levismith8444
@levismith8444 Месяц назад
Very good video
@mammonclarke
@mammonclarke 23 дня назад
Another great video! Thanks for all your hard work puttiing these together.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 23 дня назад
Thanks you!
@dominiricanish
@dominiricanish 28 дней назад
On top of moving your monsters, I make sure to give my big brutes the crusher feat. So you can knock back some of the players give them the chance to charge towards people hiding in the back.
@tyrant-den884
@tyrant-den884 4 дня назад
if I had a nickel for everytime a murderous psychopath became an epic leveled vampire putting on a mask...
@El-Rico
@El-Rico Месяц назад
Acererak first appeared in D&D 1st edition of the Tomb of Horrors.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes Месяц назад
True, but he wasn’t part of Vecnas story until later and he’s a bigger character in 4e and 5e. Or I should say more expanded on
@RudKip
@RudKip 5 дней назад
Please do the Vaati, the wind dukes! Ty!
@rogerbrownreacts8528
@rogerbrownreacts8528 12 дней назад
First Edition he is nothing but a Hand And A Eye.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 12 дней назад
Pretty much, but having a hand and eye of Vecna imply that he was once more
@patrickempson7366
@patrickempson7366 Месяц назад
Was hoping in the BG3 we would be able to find his eye and hand.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes Месяц назад
Ya me too, or the sword of kas
@jamert8820
@jamert8820 22 дня назад
That would be amazing for Durge
@AvromCrovax
@AvromCrovax 16 дней назад
Not sure how much of the map bg3 gives you but there not in BG. Maybe one or a clue could be found in Waterdeep or Candlekeep but the chances of either being hold in a populated place for very long is very unlikely.
@liquidator2246
@liquidator2246 29 дней назад
I wonder if it is possible for some super-uber-heroes to somehow contain and destroy his soul. We do know that some gods have been killed before.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 28 дней назад
A higher level party definitely I think could defeat him, he’s technically just a lesser deity. That being said I think actually destroying his soul to make sure he never comes back would be difficult, definitely a situation that depends on the writer of the story, but in dnd lore souls are notoriously hard to pin down completely and destroy. Liches and gods in particular
@SoulofMusic666
@SoulofMusic666 Месяц назад
Shout out to the Drukhari pic in the vid #IYKYK
@TotalTech2.
@TotalTech2. 26 дней назад
I would very much like to see you do a video on an Atropal
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 26 дней назад
I actually did! It’s on one of my horror dnd videos, there are ten of them I think
@TotalTech2.
@TotalTech2. 26 дней назад
@@The_NaturalOnes Okay thanks. I will check it out
@thomazeblen
@thomazeblen 26 дней назад
What about the black obeliscs ? one in icewind dale even sends you back in time to the netherise empire
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 25 дней назад
I do think there is some business with Vecna and a black Obelisk at some point, I think thats in 5e RotFM stuff, which admittedly I have intentionally not peeked at as I am a player in a current campaign of that module.
@ICountFrom0
@ICountFrom0 6 дней назад
Wait.. Asserak? Isn't that the lich in tomb of horrors?
@mssj4gokou
@mssj4gokou 25 дней назад
Is this Cass the same Cassador from BG3?
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 25 дней назад
No this is “Kas” I don’t believe there is any relation
@alexcruz3043
@alexcruz3043 23 дня назад
Are vampire masks just a thing in history or is this a jojos reference?
@Jayco2855
@Jayco2855 16 дней назад
All i understand is this guy is now running around in Dead by Daylight and i'm trying to get behind why and who he is 😅
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 16 дней назад
Oh damn just saw that, guess they’re promoting the new adventure. Well spread some lore in the lobbies
@VikingMale
@VikingMale 9 дней назад
Using Claus Schwab as the gif for Vecna…
@LikeButton7
@LikeButton7 27 дней назад
Orcus gave him the ability to become a lich.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 27 дней назад
Ya I think in 5e it mentions that, no edition truly agrees though on the origin. And 5e kinda just throws it out there honestly
@AvromCrovax
@AvromCrovax 16 дней назад
@The_NaturalOnes well to be honest everything at one time or another was just thrown out there. I like to pick and choose what I use at my table n what I throw back
@Pepsi_Addicted
@Pepsi_Addicted 11 дней назад
I'm doing my part to please Algo
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 11 дней назад
Hero
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 22 дня назад
13:58 - IS THIS A JOJO REFERENCE!?
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 22 дня назад
Someone else commented this haha please explain
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 22 дня назад
@@The_NaturalOnes In Part 1 of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, they introduce the existence of these ancient stone masks. If somebody wearing one of the masks smears it with fresh blood, the mask activates and transforms the wearer into a vampire.
@dovakiin4257
@dovakiin4257 7 дней назад
Real homies are here from the Eve of Ruin
@IShallCallHimTaders
@IShallCallHimTaders 10 дней назад
"afraid to say his name." Oh lord here we go. More voldemort nonsense.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 10 дней назад
That trope isn’t really unique to Harry Potter haha. Lots of fiction have big evil guys where even the name is feared, in DnD names can also give power
@albanmahoudeau1779
@albanmahoudeau1779 10 дней назад
FOR STRANGER THINGS. STUFF.
@davedeboy5726
@davedeboy5726 7 дней назад
I have one better. The suit of immortality. 7 items must be collected and you become the most fearsome dark lord the world has ever seen. You see things in only red and green. Green colors are your allies, and the red, is what must be destroyed. The suit commands the largest dead army ever in existence of the planet. The resurrection begins when the suit is completed upon the wielder. Friend beware, for your alignment forever becomes chaotic evil and you must follow that alignment or sacrifice your entire army and realm to no existence. You must prevail for the suit invades your mind telling you what must be done. You can only overcome it's evil with a throw over 33 (half of the devil) perception check and you only will get once chance as trying to overpower the brainwashing it will make your mind weaker and your perception will fall to zero bonus at the best. Beware the Jabberwocky my DND players. And everyone things MM is the best DM. Think again. MM just wants $$$ and fame but his creativity is lacking in comparison to many of us out there. Should you sacrifice yourself-the Sun's power burns everything on the planet and all are dead from heat/radiation/smoke/no food or water.
@tazkol
@tazkol Месяц назад
"absolute villain' "most iconic lich' have you never heard of acererak? the guys does more evil before he eats his morning soul then vecna has done in his entire existence.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes Месяц назад
Well I mention him in the video… for quite a while…
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes Месяц назад
But true! Acererak may be more evil, I do think Vecna is more widely known, possibly because of stranger things and critical role
@josephford4088
@josephford4088 Месяц назад
Vecna is far more infamous
@tazkol
@tazkol Месяц назад
@@josephford4088 maybe in the real world, lore wise, no no he defiantly is not.
@KS-PNW
@KS-PNW Месяц назад
​@@tazkol I gotta disagree with you. Vecna has been a big deal since 1e. He was kind of the primary evil deity for the Greyhawk setting back then. Acererak was just the bad guy at the end of a fairly obscure adventure back then. He didn't really get fleshed out until later.
@rev.jonathanwint6038
@rev.jonathanwint6038 19 дней назад
He is not realy a Villain.
@The_NaturalOnes
@The_NaturalOnes 19 дней назад
Why do you say that?
@tbohn10
@tbohn10 6 дней назад
Hes a lich
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