Vegan and Dairy Farmer (Live BBC Debate) 

Earthling Ed u r doing well keep it up

Really good job of editing the full interview in order to favour your side of the argument more than that of the famers. Great transparency there Ed!!!

Greg Weeks that's the thing about programmes, even these YT videos. They go through an editing process, for any number of a hundred purposes~ and if course, one of those purposes and/ or reasons could be to intentionally present a skewed reality, which, in the case of a debate certainly might involve editing to seem to enhance the relative " rightness', of one side, or present one side as more positive or appealing, more sensible or rational. But see, here's the problem with your comment~ even if one side HAD engaged in this sort of editing intention it wouldn't matter a whit. Ed, ie, Veganism, would still and always be the clear and unrivaled "winner" of any argument or debate against it. Because nobody yet has ever successfully debated against it, or any of it's principles. Ed could have had 3 heads and the opposer could have been Mother Theresa, Shirley Temple and James Bond combined..... and Veganism~ Ed~ would still have prevailed. Any perceived Manipulation~ via~ Editing perpetrated here to 'favor' Ed,or his "side" would be moot, and I have already discussed why. Because there in fact is no valid argument against Veganism.

Fair enough point, thanks for replying to someone who isn't a vegan and has strong feelings on one side. Thanks for taking the time to reply though, especially when I have had bad experiences with vegans as I'm sure you have had similarly poor experiences with meat eaters like myself. I made a mistake anyway, thank you.

Greg Weeks As a mere fellow/sister commenter here, I d just like to express my respect for your willingness to continue to reevaluate the video. It would also take a fair amount of something akin to courage to come on to the comment section of a well known, extremely well respected vegan activist and after questioning his integrity, and admitting to being a carnist, remain basically respectful. You are willing, it would appear, to also rethink your initial view. I am sorry, genuinely sorry, to hear that you have had negative experiences with vegans. I believe that pretty much every interaction we vegans have on the issue, should be looked upon as an opportunity to inform, to answer questions if asked any and to be only a positive and non-hypocritical example of a compassionate and caring person to ALL. And while there is never an excuse for aggression or rudeness, I do understand how some may, out if both frustration and concern for these beings who, were are trying in every way we are able, to spare and to protect and speak for... there are those of us who may not always represent Veganism the way it deserves. I make no excuses. But we are as imperfect as we always have been, however, I hope that the road forward leads us to ever increasing patience with those who have yet to 'get there', and that we learn the best lesson for now, at least~ which, imho, is to be constantly mindful that we must live our words in order for them to be truly heard. Ed does this so wonderfully well and I am not alone in a feeling of great gratitude that he,as well as his compatriots, are with us. .

Exactly! I think we need to push this point more that nobody (mostly) wants to outlaw meat eating, we want to educate people to make informed decisions that reduce the demand for these products, and eventually evaporate the industry all together.

Dream on.

Derek Walter yeah it’s hard enough trying to stay calm explaining it to friends and family lol

Omg this comment is so relatable xD

He’s just confident that he’s doing the right thing. And he is

He has rehearsed much with many people ! It's practice meets passion.

sameee

Mainstream media and the meat industry are interconnected.

@@asafnisan not really, she shouldn't be biased but in this world now you can't always have an unbias debate

@@atomicks3467 Could you please stop appearing in several comments with your stupidity? Thank you! Have a great day kid.

They also get "paid" to be "biased"?

No, no, no... that is very dishonest from you. If you notice the farmer tried to dodge the questions Ed asked and the interviewer clearly pressed for the guy to answer: "Well either you do or you don't". I think you're observing bias where there's none.

Yeah, agree. Very very rare.

This is how it should be done these are the types of vegans you can listen too even if you don't agree.

@Koa -_- judging by the comments which praise his manners and patience, it is super rare for a vegan to have them :3 Almost as if a vegan who has a coherent argument that includes perfect reasoning with manners (as intelligent people would) is non-existent :3

Vegans often lose their cool because whenever we try to address our points politely, all we get in return is condescension, dismissal, mockery, and buckets of self-righteous cognitive dissonance. It can be hard to keep calm when the other side of the conversation is just "BACON!" and someone shoving a sausage in your face, thinking they somehow won. Because _that_ is surely the standard for "coherent argument that includes perfect reasoning with manners". :3:3:3 Almost as if meat-eaters who can justify unnecessary rape, torture, and murder of innocent living beings for their own taste pleasure are non-existent, so they resort to mocking and bullying the vegans until they inevitably lose their cool, at which point they can say that vegans are dumb and have no valid points. Do forgive us if we can't all be Ed as we're forced to listen to the same selfish, ignorant arguments over and over and over again. :3

@@Ararita, perfect! You have just explained how an atheist feels in a debate with a religious person. Exactly the same! However, it is _normal_ for an atheist to be patient, having well reasoned arguments with manners. Well, most of them are scientists/engineers, or the people with higher than average intelligence. So, it is quite reasonable to assume that the level of intelligence is the key determinant of how people behave.

Yes it is, capitalism exists

Ikr, sounds so stupid. So if someone rapes a woman and a random person sees it, gets angry i can just say “it’s his choice to rape a woman”? Doesn’t make sense.

@@saxenart you can’t compare a mindless animal with zero self awareness or moral agency to a human being you sicko.

Howon earth can anyone mention "choice" when it comes to deliberate and lond duration manipulation? Is it people's choice to get sick with McDonald? Is it people's choice not to recycle? But however, showing the other side and being "incorrect" is her job. She is a journalist.

@@maskedmovieman4303 They did not deny this at all. Their comment said: if people are not protected when they choose to ignore evil in the case of rape, why should we protect people's choice when it comes to ignoring violence in slaughterhouses?

Because your stomach behaves differently then your eyes big brain, and they are completely different organs, so ultimately this statement is illogical and stupid.

@@lmao8896 But that’s ultimately where our food comes from, so what moral justification is there?

@@elliotraitopchannel That is a completely different point lmao

@@lmao8896 you're not gonna see any real predator (or any animal for that matter) disgusted by their food (or the process of making it). it's absurd

@@Cred1Tor are you agreeing with me or disagreeing?

Tim Q Agree. All those street interviews have paid off!

That's a sign that he doesn't listen to people. He's so convicted in his beliefs to the point of ignorance.

Simbo Actually he's well - known for his infinite patience and deep listening skills. That's what makes him so respected in the activist community. Watch any of his other content, and you will see that with him, consistently. Along with level - headed insight, articulation, intelligence and well-researched points. Having a response to every point is not, as you say, a sign that he is not listening. In this case it's a sign that he has heard all of this before, for years over and over again ad nauseum. Of course he's got quick answers ready; thoughtful and informative ones at that.

Yeah, he is simply brilliant!

@@simbo3228 No, it's because every argument for the exploitation of animals has been said to him a million times. When you repeatedly have to reply to the exact same statements made by different people, you become a lot faster at pulling those answers out of your head.

Pug pug life!!!

He is smirking because what 'Ed' is saying ks rediculous, stupid and factualy wrong!

leopard prints he was not smiling, he was laughing at Ed because he doesn’t know what he is talking about

@@dannisage7729 I've literally seen it with my own eyes...

@@dannisage7729 Lol, he is not. The calves do that. All mamals presumably do that, baby mice do that, if you take them in your hand... Its just... the farmer of course knows that is what happens, that is why he dodges it as quickly as possible. Otherwise he would of course say: Its not true.... :D

Vegan Jesus

Simple. To provide a steady food source for the world. Food prices are WILD and go up and down sporadically. By stabilizing the food prices, farmers stay in business, or else too many farms would go bankrupt and wouldn't be able to support the demand for food. One of the roles of government is to stabilize the agriculture industry to support the population. Without it, famine would be much more widespread.

How Farms Work ..and yet with all the food we grow now we could end world hunger many times over. Govt should support farmers to transition to plant based, it's the future and more sustainable for our population. Plus clean meat (stem cell meat) is on its way and will wipe out these current practices, so why not encourage more people to get on board, it's a big industry set to boom

I agree that the government should help to transition if, say, animal products were outlawed, but that won't happen in the next 2-3 lifetimes at minimum. Too many people eat animal products still and the vegan movement is marginal at best. Even vegetarians have an 84% relapse rate. There are still many unanswered economic problems that are run into when growing just foods for human consumption, such as where we would get the fertilizer to grow all those crops. Most people believe all the corn and soybean farms would go fallow, but the truth is there are so many animal products that would have to be replaced and there's no way farmers would just stop growing crops, so our demand for synthetic and mined fertilizer would increase many times over. Many crops grown for human consumption can't be grown consecutively in the same spot due to biotoxicity. The vegan movement is too far-fetched it's impossible economically.

Also don't forgot farm products are subsidise to keep food affordable for everyone

if you think the short term economy is more of a consideration than the suffering of animals, then you're very selfish. same could have been said about the impact of the economy when abolishing black slave trade. if everyone had this attitude, nothing would change for the better. you should be looking through the eyes of the victim more

Kim B. Yes, it shows he has zero compassion for animals by smiling at that point. Good to hi-lite that.

@Lau taro Empathy is weak

@Lau taroit gets in the way of survival

@@ghristophermyers666 I have a feeling you'd say the same thing in a court of law after murdering a human being.

@xTatlTaelx Until you let the wrong person live

Plant Planet Earth right! I see more and more people buying almond milk and egg substitute !

@@hisnamewasrocco almonds can't produce milk moron. That's synthetic chemical white water shit.

Stephen Lord almonds are simply blended with water to make milk moron 😂 try to tell me that my homemade plant milk is synthetic chemical white water shit....go on, try 😂

Southy real milk that's intended for baby cows? I'll pass.

@Southy may taste good, but it's not good for our body.

Vegan For The Animals Ⓥ it's hard to argue with idiots that's why. The way Ed was describing a calf suckling his fingers, it's how calves explore their surroundings. They suck, lick, chew on anything throughout their lives actually not just calves. It shows Ed doesn't really know what he's talking about. Add to that the fact he let a calf which is at its most vulnerable stage of life suck his bacteria disease ridden fingers without knowing what he's at, hes carrying pathogens that the cows milk could have no way of providing immunity to onto that farm, if he lets 2 calves suck on the same hand he's contaminated the 2nd calf with the pathogens the first calf has. This is part of the reason it's best practice to keep calves separate. As i said earlier they lick suck and chew anything and if grouped together they will suck on eachother damaging navels nipples causing infection. They can also carry infection from their environment to their mother's nipples over sucking leading to damaged teats causing infection to the udder, under suckling so the end of the teat is leaking milk and open letting bacteria in causing infection in the udder. All reasons to separate calf from mother. But the main reason is because there is a high risk the mother will lie on the calf and suffocate it. There are hundreds of reasons farmers do what they do, very few activists take the time to research actual agricultural research to find out why.

meat Ismurder everything dies and with livestock farming we prevent mass deaths of the human population from drought and crop failure. Plus not all land is equally suitable to grow crops suitable for human consumption, most of the world's cattle are fed grass or hay as their primary feed.and even the ones fed corn are fed the entire corn plant which yields over twice as much feed as the grain alone which is the only part suitable for us, which we don't even digest as efficiently as a ruminant.

meat Ismurder there is very little land suitable for growing food crops for humans. Where I'm at 90% of land is used for grass to feed livestock cause weather is unpredictable, crops are too expensive to safeguard against disease, and even then weather dependant you can lose your crops. Potatoes for example are a rarity here and are only grown in specific areas. Maize or corn doesn't grow cause it's too cold, grain crop yields vary drastically from year to year could be up or down 50% from one year to the next but I can grow grass to the same yield pretty much year on year

meat Ismurder if you lived where I live water isn't in short supply we have the opposite problem. Crops still need irrigated so in dry areas that's not going to change.

meat Ismurder most of the reasons are for the live of animals and the land. Most farmers go broke before they will stop farming

Rob McClendon , there's no medical condition that exists in which sufficient nutrients can not be obtained from plant based foods. Since there's no biological requirement in the human body for animal products, any reasonable person can understand that consuming animal products because you like to makes you complicit in needless violence perpetrated upon sentient individuals. Complicity in needless violence perpetrated upon sentient individuals is never morally responsible behavior.

Rob McClendon , you are 100% uninformed and wrong. Not only do all reputable professional health and nutrition organizations acknowledge that a plant based diet is suitable for all stages of life, but there's not a single necessary nutrient that you or anyone on the entire planet can name which can only be obtained by consuming animal products. Mic Drop!

Rob McClendon , Sweetie, predictably, you are 100% wrong. 1) Your "primitive diet" argument is 100% fallacious as it's an appeal to tradition. 2) I like how you completely avoided my challenge of naming even a single necessary nutrient that can only be obtained from animal products 3) If you weren't just trying to find excuses for not changing and were in support of the moral principle of avoiding complicity in needless violence upon sentient individuals, then you'd have consulted a vegan nutritionist. What is the name of the vegan nutritionist that you've consulted with or plan to consult with very soon? 4) I know vegans who have IBS....having IBS doesn't mean that one can't be vegan. Living vegan is not a diet per se. Since it isn't, are you living vegan in every other way except your diet? How so exactly? If not, then your IBS pitch is just complete bullshit. 5) Since there's no biological requirement in the human body for animal products, any reasonable person can understand that when you have a choice and decide to eat animal products because you like it, that makes you complicit in needless violence (exploitation and killing) upon sentient individuals. Being complicit in avoidable needless violence upon sentient individuals is always morally irresponsible. The great news is that for the overwhelming majority of people in modern societies, it’s very easy to eat 100% plant based and go vegan. Have a nice day, Sweetie

Rob McClendon Predictably, you are 100% wrong yet again. There's no biological requirement in the human body for dietary cholesterol. Do you try very hard to be so wrong all the time or does that come naturally to you, my friend? Have a nice day!

Rob McClendon I'm sorry that you are suffering with IBS....I know people who have IBS and are vegan. So it's not at all like IBS prevents people from going vegan. I know numerous healthy vegans who were told (repeatedly sometimes) by doctors that they have to eat animal products to be healthy. Clearly too many doctors know very little about nutrition. Also, as you've made my case for me many times over by not providing a single valid response to my arguments including not being able to name a necessary dietary nutrient that can only be obtained from animal products, I thank you for corroborating my positions and I join you in burying your long debunked carnist nonsense. Thank you for substantiating the vegan position and for proving that facts and logic destroys carnist nonsense every time. I look forward to your vegan activism...we are now on the same team, my friend. Have a terrific day!

Most deceptive is Ed. Cherry picking information and twisting everything for the cause of the vegan death cult.

Wolf Pack Pete what was cherry picked mate

@@spector1892 what Ed is saying doesn't happen. Mothers get milked which takes very little time and then they're back with their calves. Ed also uses his favourite "knife across the throat" line a couple of times. "Cherry picked" wasn't the most accurate summary of this interview but it is more of his sophistry. What Ed says is wrong... yes we can buy non animal products in supermarkets but we can't be healthy as vegans. It's not a sustainable way of life, if it suddenly became impossible to eat any from of nutrition from animals, we'd all be on our way to a long slow horrible death.

@@wolfpackpete6408 www.bda.uk.com/resource/plant-based-diet.html the british dietetic association would disagree with you there, mate. "Well-planned plant-based diets can support healthy living at every age and life-stage."

@@JuliaC-sp5qk there's only short term studies and those studies are only surveys.

No more cheeseburgers for you then more for me hahaha

Are you still vegan??

that's fucking amazing!!! how's it going?

@@nternetrat she gave up after 2 months 😂

@@MetalizedButt you dont know what she did you ignorant dumbass

Bless you, and good luck!

Do you record those interviews or do you have plans to eventually record them?

sadie da lady you do realise you're not changing anyone's mind, just being annoying? Kinda like vegan gains

Raw meat is better for you, cooked foods are poison

Joel Bourgeois GOOD FOR YOU!!! I’m also turning vegan slowly and I think it’s great that more people are joining this great movement

Did you do it? Curious

Yeah, I'm curious too. How did you go?

Great work!!

Great. It's not that difficult. You can try cutting down on the consumption. Eat on odd days, skip on even days. Not too hard. After a while, you can try eating only on weekends. One step at a time.

As transparent as a brick.

Or better yet, rapists and groomers.

Look you know nout about farming coz youve turned vegan just because experts say things its not always the case theres nothing wrong with farming never has and never will for me these experts talk crap and get the so called celebs to back it up

I can never understand these vegans argument people like ed and that aussie both frauds they both talk bollocks

@@stephenfearon5107 "I can never understand these vegans argument (...)" Yeah, that´s the problem.

There are plenty of farmers who show their operations with full transparency. The vegan myth is that they don't.

Why would they show everything they do to an audience? No one has random members of the public at their work to watch everything they do... think about it.

@@HowFarmsWork "when I know guests'll show up I will clean up all the mess" ....how can people be still this naive.

Fancy a bacon butty pal

@randomgeezer You homophobic piece of shit

Dante226288 I recommend viewing the documentary: Speciesism: The Movie It will assist with your school project and go further into the rabbit hole. Good luck.

Dante226288 How did that go?

WeasleyTwiins The whole class ate his body.

That film is controversial if you ask me

Did you get into whether or not Blackfish was being honest? Or did you assume a movie MUST be true?

I agree. The farmers body language is all defensive, intimidated and fearful. Ed, on the other hand, is open, well poised and confident.. Even if you took away the audio, you could see the morally secure person is clearly Ed!

Nice catch! He's indeed slowly moving away, which says it all.

hahaha be a man! i was so nervous to talk to you... you need to work on that !!

@@jome8059 yes 'juliana', be a man hahaha

@@thanxbutno Haha 🤷‍♂️

@@jome8059 confidence has nothing to do with being a man. You seem pretty insecure yourself with how overly concerned you are about "being a man" and reacting rudely to someone's insecurity

@@nicoleavery7238 Haha good one. You are wrong,i am very confident and i do not have concerns. Nice try tough !

Ed the fraud

Oh piss off. Meat has lots of good things and you know that. Most meals vegans eat lack in needed stuff and has way to much sugar. Going from meat to nearly pure sugar and several desserts a day is not healthy

Alistair Graham stuff & things 😉

@@Jow2002 There isn't a single nutrient in animal products that cannot be found elsewhere

Don't know anything about nutrition do you...

A full disney tasty steak

If us farmers are from Disneyland. Than vegans are from CANDY LAND!!

Vegans are from Disney land. I understand that when you were 3 years old it maybe upset you that Bambi's mum was shot. But it's time to grow up now and accept the food chain as it is. People are carnivores, veganism is an anti human cult.

@Rishee Sreenivasan do you understand Kleiber's law? If you're a vegan which seems to be the case. You might realise why you are becoming stupid.

@Rishee Sreenivasan there is a total amount of energy available in the body and it is distributed between the organs. Plants don't want to be eaten, they defend themselves with anti nutrients and other chemicals making them hard to digest. Meat is much easier to digest. So the human stomach is small relative to our body size because for hundreds of thousands of years we ate meat and didn't need a large appendix and cecum fermenting plant matter in bacteria (the human stomach doesn't digest plants). Because our stomachs are smaller and using less of our total energy, more energy is available for a larger brain.

Red meats and processed meats are carcinogens according to the World Health Organization. Dairy is basically a bunch of saturated fat. It is not nutritious. A dairy and meat-filled diet actually causes diseases like cardiovascular disease.

@@TheRealmusic18 bla bla bla

@@CainDA2003 oh honey I get so much nutrients now I feel better not eating meat than I did eating it.

ye, you can edit anything in order to show yourself in a better light. PS. Ed edited this video to favour him....

Greg Weeks mate, I watched it live. It's unedited 😂

The full interview was 16 minutes.... Not denying that you didn't watch it live, but it is edited...

Greg Weeks yeah, the other 11 minutes are of other people talking

oh okay I understand what you mean when you say its unedited. As in he's only included the parts which are him speaking instead of listening and the other perspectives. Fair point, my bad. Why not include them too because they are part of the debate.

Norbert Budai Then we've put the responsibility on ourselves whether or not to treat them with dignity and respect......

Broken Silence - ❤️

No idea how you feel about what I think; I'll say it though. The people in the slaughter house are no more or less responsible than me, when I paid for it. Some of them may have numbed themselves from the nightmare, I guess they have. They probably need support too. Guilt and shame won't help anyone, but open arms will. Hate breeds hate. An open heart enables an open table, and that table can be full of good food and laughter and love. After watching Pig Truth I was really freaked out. I smashed my flat up. I live on my own, so I couldn't share my grief with anyone. I'm struggling with sleep because of the images in my head. I've slept a few hours this last week. I'm so fucking angry. I hope the demand dries up, so that not only will the animals be saved, but so will the people working in that hell.

now you’re a month strong!! you got it!!

Alison Dovregubben. Yeah. You know that saying 'It's easier said than done,'? I found the opposite. I found it easier just to do it, than over think it. I've enjoyed trying out recipes rather than getting a microwave meal for a quid. I've enjoyed trying all the different milks (cashew milk is my favourite atm) I've laughed at my attempts at cooking tofu, but I got there in the end. I do occasionally eat vegan ready meals, but I am mostly cooking from fresh ingredients. If anything, my sleep pattern speaks for itself. There isn't a big long hard road ahead -that's just perception. I've got leather shoes. I'm not throwing them away. When I get new ones they will be non leather. Until then I will protect my feet with what I already have. I always looked at other animals with affection. Now I'm acting on it as much as I can x

Broken Silence yea! i kept my leather until i needed to buy new things lol. also doc martins has vegan shoes

Exactly

Niamh Hickey ikr i just love how chilled he is he is a great speaker ! 💖🌹

1. There's no consent for cows. 2. It's for the calves' own good. 3. Milking a cow is doing her a favour. Also, the cows will only drink their mothers' milk at the very start of their lives so we feed them milk so it is not theft. 4. Let me guess... You are around bulls every day? 5. 6. 7. Give me proof 8. By definition is a human killing another human, not another species.

Blue North Nope. I’m just some 15 year old who works on a dairy farm.

You shouldn't be. I'm afraid you've been deeply brainwashed.

@@Ethan-ck6iz You proved the point you sought to reject with #1 - Plus, cows can express consent in the form of discomfort and struggle and general distress. That's a clear and well defined "NO." #2 - More like for the farmer's own good. Calves are commodities to them. #3 Cows produce way too much milk because we have selectively bred them to do so. Historically, they have only ever produced as much as their calve could ever need. #4-7 - Go watch videos about dairy farming and you'll see. #8 - Murder has many definitions, and it's only human ego that confines the definition. Humans create the laws and definitions, but that doesn't justify or make any less horrifying the killing of an animal. Animals have sentience and want to live, and to rob them of their life is murder.

I fight animal for fun while of crack

Melissa Tranfield yep agreed #veganforlife ! X 🌹

Earth balance is the most amazing tastiest plant butter imo.

omniu c facts

Some of Ed's points were correct but the thing with activists is that they always take everything way out of context. Ed kind of fell apart at the end and started to use emotions and at the very end, the farmer completely owned him and the interview ends. I wonder why...

That's because such farms don't exist, the only farms open to the public are PR farms, pretend farms that act as the public front to help continue the propaganda and illusion the meat and dairy industry has spent decades putting out to mislead the public. Actual farms are horrific, brutal, violent places that have many animal abuses going on daily.

He looks clean to me. What makes you think he doesn't shower? Also, what exactly is the issue with his wardrobe?