Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Vitamin B12 & Homocysteine? 

Please,please make video on what you call reliable source of b12 their are hundreds of brands and quality’s,and types such as cyan and mythan ext., please clarify so we can be assured we’re taking reliable source without the use of blood testing because some can not afford these tests,thank you for your labor and dedication to the world

What about if we are already on deficiency of b12? It will be better to get an injection or sublingual pill? I have heard that the sublingual pill will be better for the absorption. How many mcg a day?

@@williamhartman9 Great idea.

The reason why your B12 went up had nothing to do with going vegan. Your body has gone into your B12 stores! The stores in your liver your liver stores animal vitamins and also has a job of detoxing the crap from your body chemicals and the like!

@@francesottewill2538 he never mentioned his B12 levels.

God has nothing to do with this because it doesn't exist.

@yO5h 5trOy More like dedication to your money. People who think he's in this for them are utterly gullible.

@yO5h 5trOy I meant in the sense that, he's in this to get _your_ money. My advice: take any good information he might provide, thank him for that, but don't go thinking for a second that he's doing it just out of good will - the dollar is the motivator.

You do realize that he just told how the diet he renommends is inherently deficient right?

@@arnemyggen Well, no. The diet he advices *includes* B12 supplements. He does NOT advice any diet that doesn't include B12. Do you understand now?

Stephen a supplement is not a diet. Even supplenent companies are completely honest about this fact

I pay attention to content rather than whether someone is sitting or not.

@@cheezheadz3928 same but it was so distracting

@DaRKsOUL I store my grains well here in the US but still get bugs in them and usually throw them out at that point.

DaRKsOUL you might also be deficient in b12 if you are chronically stressed or sick.

I remember the study too👍, at the time I used it against vegetarians. Now it reminds me to take my B12😘

Indian vegetarians have to be informed about that issue (B12). Is this done? Otherwise, I see dramatic consequences for public health, child development etc. there.

That's free protein too

Steve Wright Which brand do you take?

@@rhondamiles2099 Hi Rhonda, good question! First I would only trust this to a reputable good quality supplement company (this is not one to cut corners on...)! Here in the UK I'm using 'H Factors' by Higher Nature. In the USA there is 'Homocysteine Modulators' by Solgar. Note it's possible to have a Homocysteine blood test to check you are driving H down to 6 or less - also note - going Whole Food Plant Based (WFPB) diet naturally reduces H levels and supplementation should then drive H to very low (i.e. healthy) levels. Lastly - the book 'the H Factor' by Patrick Holford provides an excellent (and readable) Homocysteine walk through. Hopefully some points of interest here!

Read on nutrition facts.org. He said you will be fine if you eat vit k. You don't need K2

We convert it

Eat kale. It has lots of vitamin K, and your body converts some of it to K2.

@Madasin ! Why don't you prove it's inadequate? You're sounding an alarm, but your evidence of a crisis is weak to non-existent. Can you find a single case study (the weakest form of scientific evidence) to support your claim that K2 deficiency is an issue for those who consume sufficient amounts of vitamin K? How do you expect to be taken seriously if you can't provide any evidence of what you're typing? If you're that concerned with pesticides you can always grow your own vegetables. You most certainly don't want to eat animals if you're concerned with ingesting pesticides. The pesticides accumulate at an exponential rate inside the body tissues of animals that are fed crops treated with pesticides.

@Madasin ! Yeah, there are lots of plant foods with vitamin K. You don't have to eat kale if you don't like it.

Well, Vitamin d?

@@dominicmutzhas6002 Do you know what is the sun right?

@@Maurisawer do you know how long you need to expose to sunlight in order to get adequate amount of vitamin d3 a day right?

@@xxx9686 Yes I know, my endocrinologist said (15 minutes under the sun in no pick hours for light skin, mine is light so, 45 minutes to one hour to 1 hour for darker ones) . My Endocrinologist is Marco Fiore, search him, has a web, is a very good guy (not even vegan or vegetarian just in case, yep, I asked him.)

@@xxx9686 And I hope you know right? Please, info from Books from Endocrinology, Dermatology or Dietetics, Nature's Scientific Magazine, Science, Lancet, Oxford, etc. I do not really want to read comments about (hours and hours of sun, because that is not science, is bs and conspiracy theories, not facts). I hope you know the recommended time of sun exposure

Look at his older B12 videos he gives this info. I recall off the top of my head.

I had the same question. This is what I found, it's easy to read. familydoctor.org/high-homocysteine-level-how-it-affects-your-blood-vessels/

What mystery?

Of course it can lead to it but it takes years before the deficiency shows advanced problems. Most don't develop B-12 deficiency even if they don't supplement, I haven't eaten meat for years without supplements and I've never been low on B-12...but this is anectodal! It's safer to take a supplement of B-12/eat fortified,like doctors recommend.

I have been plant based more 41 years. No supplements No deficiencies.

@@herbbowler2461 So are vegans lying about the supplements. Is it a scam?

@@mroctober3657 Yes i know that a lot of vegans are talking B12 also a lot of people are taking calcium, protein and multi vitamins and minerals. Ask yourself who benefits from these supplements.?? I know people that are very healthy from eating real food with no supplements at all. Like myself. I eliminated all dairy and meat for many years. No B12 or any other supplements. 41 years without any deficiencies or health problems. So yes. B12 is a scam. B12 is produced by bacteria in a healthy gut. It is not absorbed when taken by mouth. I have been doing natural health and nutrition consulting for more than 30 years. The only people i have seen with a B12 problem were consuming the most B12 rich foods. Meat and especially Pasteurized dairy that destroy friendly bacteria. I was raised a around people on a plant or plant based based diet. They were far healthier than most people today. They ate real food. They never even heard of B12. So again. Yes it is a scam !!!

@@herbbowler2461 Thanks.

@@mroctober3657 You are wellcome. I enjoy sharing with others.

ehm there are fortified plant-based milks, nutrional yeast many more healtier, sustenible and cruelty-free than escretion of cow and salmon

Are you a vegan/vegetarian?

@@nocompulsioninlove2148 vegetarian by learnt behavior bt wish to become non vegetarian if anyone be with me to teach slowly as i got to know b12 is there plenty in animal meat...

@@karthiknarayaswamy7906 at least you fiquired it out!

nutritionfacts.org/topics/vitamin-b12/ just a heads up he's updated his advice to 2000mg a week 😊

@@hebbbby is this weight independent? My wife weighs 60% of my weight, I'm 6"4 and have a normal 22 BMI, would I not need more than her?

@@ooo789456123 I have no idea I'm afraid, I just follow Dr Greger's recommendations. He doesn't mention anything about weight only age. Tbh I've never heard B12 be mentioned in proportion to weight so my guess would be that the dosage is independent of weight.

@@hebbbby That's a silly thing to think. Why would it be independent of weight? It is not. You guys have to keep in mind that these doses are all *averages*. That means, in general, a bigger person will naturally need more than a much smaller one, but on average, they'll both need 2000mcg/week. (By the way, it's mcg, not mg -- mg is 1000 times more than mcg...) I.e. a much taller person might need 2500mcg, while a much smaller one might only need 1500mcg, which would give an average of 2000mcg.

@@skebess How patronising! Could you point me in the direction of an article or something where it says weight should be considered? In my comment I said I did not know but I was guessing. I am not a scientist. Where can I see this?

Strange that as apparently Cyanocobolamin coverts to methylcobolamin in the blood, not saying you're wrong BTW

i personally take Hydroxocobalaminacetate (It’s a Depot B12) 1 Shot lasts 6 months. (once u ve reached a good level) #stephylabor

You may be one of those for whom B12 isn't absorbed well in your gut. I'm surprised your doctor didn't talk about taking drops that you keep under your tongue. This bypasses your gut in getting the absorption you need. There's also B12 injections, more popular in Europe and Australia than in the US.

So, instead of eating meat which is the natural source of B12, you are relying on artificial supplementation and even after taking a bunch of it, and your levels are still low. And your solution is to increase even more the artificial supplement. Very smart of you.

@Steven L. Because the majority of meat eaters don't eat enough good meat or organ meat. People eat a modern mixed up diet, with junk food and some meat every now and then.

@Steven L. Including B12-fortified animals.

In the middle of september I will know if the higher dose is enough. Then it’s been 3 months since I started on the higher dose. The reason why my doctor didn’t suggest something else is that my b12 was low. But not too low.

At least your doctors bias against vegans got you a test done lol,funny how you were low before even being vegan and now they are concerned about your vitamin levels

William Hartman Yeah she checked my B12 and ferritin. I think I’d been vegan about 6 months by then. I didn’t have any symptoms of anemia at all so I’m glad we caught it before it got the that point. I’m within the normal range for ferritin but on the lower end of the range.

How did you find out if you were deficient in b12 during your non vegan days only if your doctors tested for it after you went vegan. It is not like you have hba1c for b12.

LET ME GUESS. BEFORE. TURNING VEGAN YOU WERE CONSUMING A LARGE AMOUNT OF PASTEURIZED DAIRY.

@@williamhartman9 If turning vegan was with a lot of whole raw plant food , the B12 problems would have been corrected.

You should watch his previous B-12 videos: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZLwPACAhEW8.html NOTE: He might have some revised recommendations in the future.

You can find his latest vitamin recommendations on his website. Search for "nutritionfacts optimum nutrition recommendations". It's 50mcg a day, or 2000 a week, cyanocobalamin.

i personally take 1 B12 shot every 6 months. It’s 1000-1500 mcg Hydroxocobalaminacetate (Depot B12) #stephylabor my levels are fine

@@Nerdtritionists This is the route I go. Though mine is 2500. I just have to remember to take it once each weekend.

nutritionfacts.org/topics/vitamin-b12/ His advice is in this link

Yes, as b vitamin complex often won't have b12 in adequate amounts- check out his videos for b12 recommendations.

​@@jessicakyle6855 you look gorgeous let's have a vegan date

@@fredswolen894 I’m a lesbian I’m afraid.

@@jessicakyle6855 how dare you assume my gender?!

@@fredswolen894 the name and the profile pic kinda gave it away….

@yO5h 5trOy Glucose is the main source of fuel for our cells.

@yO5h 5trOy Our bodies run on glucose. Why do you think athletes consume sugar all the time?

@yO5h 5trOy Do some research. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/glucose

@yO5h 5trOy 🤣

@yO5h 5trOy Thanks for the laugh

This video is about stroke risk not B12 in general. Go watch his B12 video on NF.

Food that's supplemented

Have you tried injecting it? Or tried different types of b12? (eg. Methylcobalamin vs Cyanocobalamin)

Multivitamin has small amounts.

Which type did you take? And have you tried a sublingual spray in tiny dosis? o

@@adiohead I only tried Methylcobalamin.

they don't actually now if DaVinci had b12 difiency, it's just a guess

Eelke Aptroot - as with many other things, B-12 absorption reduces with age. DaVinci was 67 when he died. And he may have drunk more wine and beer than water. Or his well water may have been purer than average. Those B-12 making bacteria do need some organic material to live on.

BTW it's "da Vinci". "da" means "from" in italian, "Vinci" was his hometown

@@broddr Interesting point, apparently alcohol blocks B12 absorption in the gut, regardless of diet.

2000mcg cyanocobalamin once per week is his suggestion. That's only 2mg but the vitamin is water soluble so over dosing is difficult

@@brandonswan9247 ok tysm, I think is very high dose haha

Probably not. Might help if it was in the water supply. But just take a supplement instead to be sure.

adiohead oh for sure I will take it. I was just thinking how we could get it back into the food they way it once was.

@@asloan193 I think B12 was/is 'on' plants (contained in bacteria) , rather than 'in' plants. Plants have no reason to absorb or store B12. We need to produce a chemical to bind to it and transport it into the bloodstream in order to absorb it efficiently. Plants don't do this.

There is b12 in soil. It is not absorbed by plants.

@@asloan193 Even primates need animal foods or its own feces for B12, so it makes no sense that humans would get enough from plants, having the bigger brains. veganhealth.org/vitamin-b12-and-nonhuman-animals/

our ancestors got their B12, from eatng a bit of soil from their fruits and veg. also, they walked and slept on soil and dirt, which contained vit b12.

One of the best sources of betaine is... wheat. academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/80/3/539/4690529 On the other hand, choline is indeed challenging for vegans (veganhealth.org/choline/). It looks easy enough to reach 300mg per day with a whole plant based diet, but reaching 500mg looks difficult. I'd love a video about choline in a vegan diet. His only videos about choline show the link between increased choline consumption and cancer growth.

From NutritionFacts.org: For adults under age 65, the easiest way to get B12 is to take at least one 2,000 mcg supplement each week or a daily dose of 50 mcg. Note that these doses are specific to cyanocobalamin, the preferred supplemental form of vitamin B12, as there is insufficient evidence to support the efficacy of the other forms, like methylcobalamin. Can you link a citation where it says methylcobalamin is better?

I'm not sure why we should care about what you think.

@@skebess because if you don't you might care about it the hard way.

@@mithrandir491 Ignore my comment, sorry, I was in a bad mood when I wrote it.

Who says cyanocobalamin is superior?

@@jimmytrust8136 Dr Greger in his previous 'B12' video.

Methylcobalamin is fine. It's just cyanocobalamin is better researched. But they are both equally bioavailable.

Not enough !

@@ponnamy Ok!! But if I also have fortified plant milks and yoghurts daily, would that be enough?

@@carrie6743 Better option is to take a vitamin B12 supplement. Fortified food is an unreliable source of vitamin B12. Better safe than sorry !

@@ponnamy Thank you😊

Same

It is probably not organic.

@@chrisgartenn you do realize anything that is in plants grown for vegan milks will also be in plants grown for cattle feed and so will be in cow's milk, right?

@@purikurix So?

Sure, if your modern source of meat had B12 supplements.

Mike H. Nope. Cow eats B12 or is given B12 supplements, human eats cow - that would be using cow flesh as a supplement. B12 is produce by bacteria found in grasses and surface water.

Shaali Jones but humans cannot produce b12...

Mike H. Cows don’t produce B12 either. And, modern meat production methods require that the animals be fed B12 as a supplement. Humans and cows store B12 in their muscles. Eat a cow for second hand supplementation or eat the supplement directly. Or, go drink some pond water and ingest the bacteria directly.

Alcohol blocks the absorption, and if the water source he relied on was very pure.....

Consensus of who? Even primates need to eat animal foods or its feces to get it in the wild, so why simply water would do the job for people who have bigger brains and needs? veganhealth.org/vitamin-b12-and-nonhuman-animals/

Okinawa is not an example of plant-based eating despite being depicted as people who barely eat meat. There are several examples: From a USDA Foreign Agricultural Report we learn: “Annual average consumption of luncheon meat per person in the prefecture [of Okinawa] is about 14 cans (340 g per can)/year. It is even more impressive when you learn that Okinawa, with only 1.1 percent of the total Japanese population, is responsible for over 90 percent of the total luncheon meat consumption in Japan. The local menu using luncheon meat ranges widely from stir-fried vegetables to rice balls. ‘SPAM omusubi’ is particularly popular.” (SPAM is pork meat). the Department of Community Health, Tokyo Metropolitan Institute of Gerontology, Japan published a paper which examined the relationship of nutritional status to further life expectancy and health status in the Japanese elderly. It was based on three epidemiological studies. In the first, nutrient intakes in ninety-four Japanese centenarians investigated between 1972 and 1973 showed a higher proportion of animal protein to total proteins than in contemporary average Japanese. The second demonstrated that high intakes of milk(!) and fats and oils had favorable effects on ten-year survivorship in 422 urban residents aged sixty-nine to seventy-one. The survivors revealed a longitudinal increase in intakes of animal foods such as eggs, milk, fish and meat over the ten years. In the third study, nutrient intakes were compared between a sample from Okinawa Prefecture where life expectancies at birth and sixty-five were the longest in Japan, and a sample from Akita Prefecture where the life expectancies were much shorter. It found that the proportion of energy from proteins and fats were significantly higher in the former than in the latter. According to the paper, “The food intake pattern in Okinawa has been different from that in other regions of Japan. The people there have never been influenced by Buddhism. Hence, there has been no taboo regarding eating habits. Eating meat was not stigmatized, and consumption of pork and goat was historically high... The intake of meat was higher in Okinawa… On the other hand, the intake of fish was lower… Intake of NaCl was lower… Deep colored vegetables were taken more in Okinawa… These characteristics of dietary status are thought to be among the crucial factors which convey longevity and good health to the elderly in Okinawa Prefecture. . . Unexpectedly, we did not find any vegetarians among the centenarians.”' Okinawa Convention & Visitors Bureau states: For about 450 years from 1429, Okinawa was an independent kingdom known as the Ryukyu Kingdom. Many royal events and ceremonies, such as banquets were held at the Shurijo Castle and other locations in the kingdom. In these official gatherings, the cooks at the royal court introduced various types of dishes, cooking techniques, and methods, which, over time, developed into the court cuisine. Later, the court cuisine spread among the upper-class families, and after the abolition of the Ryukyu Kingdom and establishment of Okinawa Prefecture, to commoners from the Meiji era onward (1912~). At the same time, the cuisine developed further. Such historical background makes it difficult to separate and classify court cuisine and commoners’ cuisine. The “Tundabun” is a significant part of serving classic court cuisine .*The dishes included “Hana-ika” (flower-shaped squid), “Minudaru” (steamed pork in black sesame sauce), “Kamaboko” fishcake with mustard greens, “Gunbomachi” (burdock root wrapped in roasted pork), “Kutinpura” (small tempura), deep-fried “Tanmu” (Taimo potatoes), “Shishi Kamaboko” fishcake, “Hanbin” fishcake, “Urachiki Chinuku” (fishcake stuffed mushrooms), “Konbu Maki” (fish wrapped in kelp), “Suchiki” (salt-preserved pork), and “Biragaramachi” (fishcake with miso wrapped in green onion),* among others. www.visitokinawa.jp/about-okinawa/food-culture Pork cuisine and the meat eating culture : In Okinawa, they have sayings such as, ‘Eat the entire pig and leave nothing, and ‘You can eat every part of a pig apart from its oink’. In other words, a feature of pork cuisine is the clever use of all the beast, including the pig’s legs and feet, ears, the skin of the face, heart, kidneys, lungs and other organs. When Sasamori Gisuke, who was born in Aomori Prefecture, visited Okinawa in the twenty-sixth year of the Meiji era, he was full of praise, saying: ‘They say one sort of pig is enough to produce dozens of different marvellous dishes. The delicacy of the pork cuisine here would be enough to shame into silence Westerners who eat meat as their main dish’. apjcn.nhri.org.tw/server/apjcn/10/2/159.pdf

We live in very sterilised times. Did you know that the majority of B12 supplements are used in animal agriculture?