Lmao ya that game was rough, but I think Dragon Age has a lot more going for it since it has a lot built up through the series that it can capitalize on it, whereas Saints Row was a Reboot of a series that had already kinda fallen off and ended
@@HandsomeMain I would say the same about Dragon Age personally. Inquisition was 10 years ago, the gap between Saints Row 4 and the most recent was 9 years.
The fact we don't expect it to be like Origins, which is to me a well-made tactical rpg with memorable characters and moments set in a dark fantasy setting, is just sad. I used to be hyped for games until around 2015. Inqusition showed me the direction gaming is heading in, singleplayer mmos. As an ex-fan of wow I like doing busy work but in a social setting, not alone. In DAO you wouldn't stay at one location for more than you did for completing 1/3 of Inquisition's which were completely disconnected from the main plot. It's just sad to see the future we were so looking forward to turned out to be worse than what came before. Right now my hopes for Veilguard are as low as they can get and I expect it to be mid at best.
So I've been following DA since I first read about in in Game Informer. I pre-ordered it and then picked it up on the day of release. Oh, I should probably mention I'd never played a Bioware game before 2009, so I didn't go in with specific expectations. Anyway, I loved Origins and I've lost track of how many times I've played it. I got the books, the comics, and followed anything that came out. I've also been fairly active in the community thanks to cosplay and I've met and spoken with many writers, developers, and VA's over the years. I played DA2 and Inquisition and enjoyed them a lot. So I'm an old fan that still loves the series and enjoys what they've put out. However I do agree that DA2 and Inquisition were flawed (as was Origins) and they haven't had a consistent style since Awakening. I'm actually really excited for Veilguard. I still have my reservations, because you're right, Bioware has changed a lot. The more I hear from the people working on it though, the more hopeful I am. I appreciate that you made this vid, because I'm tired of the hate train. It isn't conductive and I would like the game to be good. I hope that you're able to enjoy it when it comes out.
Ya I think no matter what this game looks better than 2 because of how awful the repetition became in combat (still liked the game) but as someone that still enjoys all the lore and games, I don't see why id write it off rn. The 20 min gameplay reveal didn't show nearly enough dialogue for me to day if it'll be good but here's hoping the series can get a nice send off
I wanna see my girl Leliana. Since I‘m not impressed by the game so far, and I literally had NONE expectations, she might be the only turning point whether I‘ll buy it or nah
Where'd u hear that? I wouldn't think they'd make such a big choice in inquisition default canon especially since we'll be choosing some decisions going into the game
@@HandsomeMain I didn’t hear that she‘ll be in the game, I was just hoping it. How do you know do we won’t see much of the older games carry over? I remember there was an app for DAI where you could make up your decisions based on how you played in DAO and 2 and make them count in Inquisition. This would be cool but I might be coping by now.
It's not pointless to hate the garbage that they have shown so far. It's pointless to hate it and then still buy it. If there was any "Modern" or "New" core audience, then the number of likes would be higher than dislikes. So it's quite the opposite. The only right thing to do is to recognize that the product they try to sell us is not what we want to buy. Refuse to buy it. And make it sound why. If you're right and people who love original game is no longer the core audience - this will not work.
Nah, the trailer has over 70k likes, obviously the core fanbase is smaller than the amount of people that watched the trailer, so that's a poor argument. I do agree that it won't work financially though, there's no way they'll be given an even larger budget or even any budget at all if they flop a third time
Well being a kid when Origins came and loved it and didn't learn about DA2's short and crunched development time until much later and didn't fully understand EA's involvement with Bioware I did expect DA2 to be like Origins before it released.
Ya I remember when I played 2 directly after Origins it was such a huge shift. I think since I was such a massive fan of Mass Effect 2, it didn't bother me nearly as much as it did a lot of people
@@HandsomeMain DA 2 has definitely grown on me over the years and is my second favourite in the series. The three issues I still have with DA 2 the reused environments when it came to the caves and dungeons, no tactical camera mode, and just personally I feel it hast the weakest set of companions compared to Origins' and Inquisitions'.
@@MrDay53 Ya I agree. The combat repetition makes me like Inquisition more and I like the companions in Inq more, but I liked the found family feeling of 2s party moreso, like, I think aveline and Varric are sick. I also like Hawke was more than the Inquisitor
This pretty much covers my feelings. I got into the franchise with Origins, and the games have been shifting away from that in both tone and gameplay. They're still enjoyable games, but part of me was still hoping for something closer to the original game that got me hooked. That said, and I hate to say it... I kind of like the idea of mission-based gameplay in the ME2/ME3 style. I really didn't care for Inquisition's quasi open-world style with the respawning mobs and the tedious practice of collecting crafting materials. It felt like a single-player MMORPG and really slowed down the pace of the game in a way it didn't have to. It also hurt the narrative; quests were just spread out over a map, so you have situations where you're doing multiple quests at once, running from map marker to map marker, and it just felt like errands. With ME2 and ME3, almost every mission was a self-contained story that you could feel invested in, and it flowed with the main narrative much better that way. I think that's the way to go. I will miss the tactical gameplay from Origins, though. It would have been nice if they had kept that.
I actually think the hub world style from origins and mass effect is way better than whatever open world stuff they tried with inquisition. I'd much rather have some linear sets with exploration and replay able choices over the forced side quests and roaming around on that slow ass horse lmao
I met Mike laidlaw at Comic-Con before origins came out. He was so happy with his concept of the world. They came off of baldurs and this was was their own new world. This doesn’t seem like his vision. It’s for someone else. That’s fine. Devs come and go and creative direction changes…. I just wish it wasn’t called dragon age anymore cause this game ain’t that. Personal opinion
Ya I think it's one of those instances where the story obviously had a different direction but changed after a lot of people fell in love with it, and now you have to just accept that the new direction has a new audience. So you either enjoy the game for what it is and accept the loss, or throw blame at the people that had a different vision for the game then you did
Yes, anyone who played Inquisition should have known the direction Dragon Age was heading. The franchise went to shit back in 2014 and maybe even earlier although I think is was still salvageable after DA2. The games New Bioware makes are not for me and I will not be buying them. If they can't survive solely on the profits from the mythical "Modern Gaming Audience™", I will point and laugh when EA shuts them down. Also have some self-respect. You don't have to buy every game in a franchise that had one good game 15 years ago like a good little consumer. That's some serious Stockholm syndrome shit.
Dude... inquisition sold alot of copies and it won game of the year, the year it came out this is sort of revisionist its fine if yiu didn't like inquisition, but to say only origins was good is an objective lie
@@MujisTavern I pre-ordered Inquisition because Origins was great and while Dragon age 2 was disappointing it wasn't bad enough for me to drop the series. I wonder how many fans will come back for Veilguard. Game awards don't make a bad game good, the fact that a piece of trash like inquisition can get GotY just makes that award worthless. Just because you and a bunch of other people started with inquisition and have low/no standards doesn't make the game any less bad.
@@MujisTavern I mean every DA had flaws and strenghts, Origins didn't age well, DA2 was too repetetive because how confined it was (story was great, but set only in one city) and inquisition felt like mmorpg. But the moment that ended DA is, like @ralinor666 said, inquisition. The game itself wasn't that bad, and story was good, but it went on a slippery slope with cartoonish disney-like MC who was a hero just because they needed to be one
I agree that DAV never meant to be like DAO. However gameplay they showed during gameplay was so trash it's ridiculous. I don't mind shifting the genre entirely, but make sure that the end product ie good. Of course it's too early to judge, but all I'm saying that all they shown so far was trash and there's no reason for me to be excited about this game.
@@theobell2002 Please learn how to read what's written exactly, without trying to read between the lines. I didn't say that previously DA had good combat systems or anything like that, I was talking only about upcoming game. DA combat was never great indeed, DA2/DAI were pathetic in trying to pursuit both crpgs and arpgs failing in both aspects and DAO was oversimplified and lacked any class building depth compared to BG1 even than came out 10 years before that.
@@theobell2002 If you actually believe that Origins didn't have good combat you are clinically insane. Get off the internet, go see a therapist, then maybe (and I have to stress *maybe* for legal reasons) your father might come back from getting that milk he was looking for.
Ya i'm holding out hope that the gameplay gets fun in later levels, or maybe they just chose the worst class lmao (Regardless, whoever they had playin wasn't good at it)
I genuinely believe Gate keepers exist for a reason. Sometimes you have to turn people away at the door to keep your 'city' safe. The Barbarians were at the gates in gaming, and gamers were not prepared to defend the walls. Many did not understand the levels certain people will sink to, to exploit a community for clout and fame. Anita Sarkesian and Zoe Quinn were on huge shows like Colbert and went to the UN, and gamers were just like... How did we get here from stop fucking game journos for good reviews? DAV is likely going to be a trash fire. The creative talent simply doesn't exist at Bioware anymore, what's between your legs, who you want to screw, and your skin colour are more important to them than a good story a world building. I mean c'mon, we finally get to Tavinter, and we don't get the option to be a blood mage?
Ya I really wanted to see blood magic, especially since the ideas for it are always cut in the older games, so It's lame we never got to roleplay as a corrupted blood mage
The writing and consequential choices 100% are why I love Dragon Age, too! I hope they don’t go down the rabbit hole so many companies are going down with pandering to represent instead of focusing on making a great game. Also, hopefully they don’t do any micro transactions! Edit: Just finished the video, sounds like we’re on a similar page. Thank you for being objective with your analysis and pointing out that it’s okay if we aren’t the target audience for BioWare anymore.
I'm kind of split on opinions on this honestly. I feel lucky that I enjoy a wide spectrum of games, from action to rpg to other things. I never expect bioware to ever churn out a game like origins ever again. I'm kinda fine with that, it's not a style I'm married to. I found it strange when they mixed it up with DA:2 and after DA:I I knew that it was a done deal. What truly does worry me is that the team behind Bioware's best games has moved on to other things. The vision and the writing were what kept the less good games from being bad games, and Andromeda, even after fixes, didn't have that sparkly magic that I had come to expect from Bioware. That is worrying, I''ll probably play this game regardless, and it sure looks good, I just hope that the 10 years they've been working on it hasn't been entirely for naught.
Ya I think the DA games are all good, but just not as good as Origins. I think if you have a life beyond these games and have been watching Bioware since Origins, you wouldn't be upset, but most people haven't been, so they just see that one game is vastly different then the last, even though it's been like 15 years of changes lmao
I couldn't stomach Inquisitions gameplay. I tried twice and after completing the romances I was going for I just couldn't deal with it anymore. I don't like how Veilguard looks but hopefully the gameplay isn't actual trash like Inquisition so maybe I can stick with it and see how the story goes. Sad to see Dragon Age fall from its fantastic start though, Origins is probably my favorite RPG.
Ya Origins is my favorite game and even though I liked Inquisition, I can't ever replay it since it has such a strange direction into the MMO, quantity over quality push, especially with the power system to play the main story. Bioware said this game isn't open world and is mission based, so it'll be like Mass Effect 2 or Origins, which definitely makes me more hopeful (But that rogue gameplay looked pretty bad)
@@HandsomeMain Yeah, turning DA into a hack and slash game with what looks like basically Estus Flasks and party members that seem just as superficial as they are in Inquisition feels bad. Hopefully it's better than what we're shown but honestly I don't have much faith in them.
you hit the nail on the head - this difference of opinion is intergenerational. I am also an old fan. I got the OG game boxes downstairs in my office in fact. I totally agree and get where you are coming from.
TL;DR, DA2 and DAI seemed like accidents and lapses in judgement, not intentional genre shift, and only now is that indisputably untrue. As a person who far and above favored Origins, I didn't Dragon Age would go back to its roots in full, but I had a glimmer of hope I couldn't let go of until now, for the following reasons: 1) Dragon Age 2 felt like a fluke, especially after we learned of the development issues it had 2) Dragon Age Inquistion doubled down on a lot of things that were disliked about DA2 from people like me, but also a return to form in many ways (no set protag, more customizable companions, more fleshed out and involved factions, etc). When it then came out that THAT had development issues, it reinforced the idea that perhaps the game was meant to be more enjoyable to cRPG enthusiasts, and 3) Baldur's Gate 3 proved that the same type of formula that inspired DAO still worked. Of course all of that fell flat because Bioware's shifting of Dragon Age was more intended than a lot of us assumed and/or were lead to believe, and BG3 came out way too late to influence Veilguard in any capacity. And I want to reinforce, I never thought Dragon Age would go back to my preferred style of RPG, but without knowing what I know now it was hard not to hope that it would do so anyway.
I think since I was a fan of both Mass Effect and Dragon Age, I knew they were leaving the Dragon Age Origins format to make Hawke their own Shepard, but when people didn't like two, they shifted a little back to an table top protag with the inquisitor, but it does suck we never got more older rpgs closer to origins and like Jade Empire before they pivoted so hard into just Mass Effect adjacent titles
Why don't the people talk ABOUT THOSE ONLY 3 SKILLS like Andromeda, Inquisition had 8 SKILLS you can use in battle. Have the people become this dumb nowadays?
I don't think I understand the comment tbh lol, but ya the mass effect series always had less ability hotkeys then dragon age, but not dragon age is doing the same thing and it blows, but then again we haven't seen the game beyond level one so It could actually be good. Only time can really tell
@@HandsomeMain I am reffering to abilites hotkeys, in Dragon Age 2 were like 12+, in Inquisition were 8, and now in Veilguard are only 3. Believe me, time will not tell, we get exactly what we seen in the gameplay trailer. In Dragon Dogma 1 it had 6 abilities hotkeys, and in Dragon Dogma 2 it had 4 abilities hotkeys, coincidence, i think not. I dont know what their after with this downgrade trend. 😕
@@andreiznexus777 Oh okay I get ya now, ya I think the downgrade in options come from the trying to dumb down the mechanics for more casuals. Like the argument where its easier to choose between three ice-cream flavors than 13 flavors.
I'll wait and see because I have limited faith in modern bioware, but yeah, I don't get why anyone thought it would be like Origins given neither 2 nor Inquisition were much like Origins. This is a franchise that, for all that it's over a decade old and has 3 big and basically successful games in it, still hasn't really nailed down what it wants to be. I never expected it to be like Origins and, more appropriately, I never even expected it to be like Inquisition because, while I liked that game, it was still clear that they hadn't 'nailed it.' This is a franchise still waiting for its definitive entry. Do I think this will be it? Not really, but all that means is if/when they make DA5, it'll be substantially different again.
I respect your perspective. The series has undergone drastic changes with each iteration, and the community has changed with it, though less drastically. That said, the community has always represented a tiny group of hardcore fans, whose opinions often diverge from those of the target audience. Additionally, groupthink may occur in some forums, especially if subjected to overzealous censorship. As for politics, it's true that BioWare has always leaned left-wing, but there's a difference between telling stories that align with ideological beliefs and being so dogmatic that ideology, and the checkboxes that comes with it, supersede the importance of telling good stories and making believable characters.
Bioware have gotten it right more times than they've gotten it wrong. Have some faith in people. Was the trailer corny as shit? Yes. Does that mean the game will be bad? No. Keep in mind none of the other DA games have gaeplay that is anywhere close to what their individual trailers portrayed. Im rooting for Bioware on this and I hope the game comes out alright.
I started playing these games when I heard they were made by BioWare and I love mass effect, so when I started playing these games I got into them I know im gonna be burned at the stake for this but I actually didn’t really connect to origins besides the characters loved all of them and we’re sad when I got some killed. But I love dragon age 2 so much the characters felt good but I will say I did such a shit playthrough losing so many characters, I’m on inquisition now and I’m very excited for veilguard because it looks promising as a guilty pleasure
I already know I will play it, I will not give a shit about combat and I might not even finish it on the first playthrough because it gives me same vibe as inquisition and I did not finish that on first playthrough either (I hope there is no demented return to base mechanic like wartable Bioware). I like stuff I read about character creation, I really liked dreadwolf dlc in inquisition, but man did I hope they would not cater even more towards console player base. I understand they are the ones that like inquisition but that was because inquisition on PC felt like a half baked port in terms of UI and other stuff.
Out of all the bad decisions I've seen, going back to the war table would be insanely out of touch lmao. But ya I agree, Catering to console limits a lot of games, but that's where a majority of the audience is still
Exactly dude xD im also have no idea what people actually expected, i mean this is kinda iquision like game with a bit new graphics and witcher 3 gameplay... this is what it supose to be after last DA game.
I think the issue is that Dragon Age 4 has a big spotlight on it even though its the fourth game in a franchise that has drastically changed direction with each game. But I think the bigger issue is that the game should've been made for the core fanbase of Inquisition, but is also trying to cater towards the masses by dumbing down the gameplay and not carrying over a lot of choices from the trilogy
Hopefully I won't be doing that when the game comes out lmao, I just get tired of people acting like they expected this game to be so different when Bioware changed style a long time ago
When mike laidlaw left the series was doomed to spiral down. Veilguard i think will be good if you can entirely forget its a DA game while playing it. best way to describe it will be blankface fun.
What's weird is I actually think the opposite. On it's own I wouldn't be into the game, but since they can easily fall back on crafted lore, storylines and characters set up across the trilogy, it has potential to be satisfying enough
You don't "have" to buy it or play it. EA is counting on slapping the Dragon Age name on something and having people just mindlessly buy it. How about waiting for it to come out and if it's a good game then buy it and if it's a bad game then don't buy it rather than just buying it regardless just because EA slapped the Dragon Age name on it. You can always just watch the story on youtube if want to.
Dont judge a book by its cover routine......DO you not understand marketing? Do you not understand presentation??? When they showed gameplay of Elden Ring, did that scream boring to you?? No, what about When they showed Gears 2 gameplay...did that make you not want to buy it?? No. Everything from the art style to the dialouge is watered down garbage. The combat, what the FANS of the series have been asking for, what EA refuses to go back to leaving the FANS that made the IP popular is the nail in the coffin. Ya wanna know why the gameplay had less interaction than the trailer? People that saw the trailer, didn't even bother with gameplay, the trailer had upwards of 200k dislikes. From what I understand, the gameplay had a much closer lead, and with 2.6million views on the gameplay trailer and only 70k likes, how do you think this is going to go?...Why you ask? BECAUSE PRESENTATION IS EVERTHING. And EA's track record has proven time and time again that thier trans queeromancer or whatever the lead's X account said before he locked it, is that the message is far more important than the game's origin and source material.
I mean ya those games looked better right away but at the end of the day I'm not gonna complain about how a game plays before I can actually play it or see more than 20 mins. I care more about story and stuff in these types of games so I've always felt that way, tho for people that care more for the reverse then I can see why they don't like what they've seen
@@HandsomeMain And see that is still a bonafide problem. Look at DA2, yes the combat was cheeks, but did you notice something way more problematic. The lack of choices available to the player compared to DAO, or the abysmal ending that DA2 forced. Then take a look at DAI, again the combat was better than DA2, but was still cheeks. Ya know what outwighed the combat, the softboy story. There were very little to no serious downsides to ANY choice you made, and there were even less choices to be made in DAI than DA2, now follow the pattern. How do you think DAVG will be.....
@@Buttz2Buttz Ya like I said I think there's clear spiral in the series for me after Origins, but the main issue is that it's a problem to me. A lot of people like the changes made in Inquisition and prefer it over Origins. It's just a franchise with two different audiences
Thanks for the dragon age anime, i also thought it was shit i tried to like it but i found the main character insufferable as well as th others but as you said the core audience loved it, they loved the characters and the quirkiness
@@brei2670 at the same time I haven't seen anyone talk shit about it I saw people singing praises about it, most of the things ive seen. Are positive, also 53% is above average
As someone who has been playing dragon age since it first came out and goes through again at least once a year through every game. Bailguard to me SCREAMS the same situation as Forespoken. Looks amazing and they super hype it. Complete flop on release. This game has been started, scraped, restarted multiple times. Has passed through an ungodly amount of new hands. While the combat looks fast paced, the graphics look like Fortnite/overwatch. The dialog was dry as hell during the gameplay. This game is a pathetic imitation of what DA was. EA needs to learn to cater to select fan base at a time, they’re trying to get too many people with it in too many directions. The only people who are most likely gonna like this game are those who don’t know the beauty of the originals. I don’t want yet another button masher especially after we have had games like BG who weren’t afraid to go back to the turn based.
Even if it wasn't a DEI infested garbage, it was made to be a live service game, recycled into a single player RPG. It was bound to fail since the start. The woke polish is just the dump on top.
I think the division of the fanbase you laid out was not particularly accurate. The current divide isn't DAO fans and those who liked the progressive, inclusive etc elements of later games. Its Hardcore DAO fans...and everyone else. That's not me digging on the DAO fans, but that's how its been for the last 15+ years. Every new installment of the franchise has been plaguded with comparisons to Origins that many disparage anything that wasn't remotely like Origins. People loved ORigins for a number of reasons, and not everyone agree on what was absolutely great about it: Me for example, hated the weird cRPG style of combat. I never felt like I was actually playing as my character and combat didn't have that impact that I enjoy in others games, the cutscenes had characters doing more badass things than when I was actually fighting. But I loved the writing and characters. And while the game certainly had dark elements, it was also incredibly silly and wholesome. But some Origins fans has this really specific romantic view of what Origins was and that shaped how they viewed Dragon Age as a whole, despite the devs challenging that view with every single game and other piece of media they released after.
Exactly. If they want to make a button-mashing action game with a cartoony art style and no roleplaying, that's cool, more power to them, doesn't interest me but that's fine. Just don't call it Dragon Age.
Because its the continuation of the ongoing story, don't get me wrong, I feel the same way about assassins creed after 3, but I don't think we've seen NEARLY enough of this game to be jaded. Maybe after, but shutting it down before it even happens is boring
I saw that they said something about "later on" so I'm assuming dlc, since Bioware has always had the pretty shitty practice of using expansions to finish the story. Then again, my hope for this being the final entry mainly stems from the fact that I don't think they'll be getting any more chances after this and I really don't want to see everything that's been built up to just never get answered
the thing is, these "modern" things need to stop taking franchises with established fanbases and warping them into something else. noone would be complaining if this was an original property, but Dragon Age is a dark and gritty series so ofcourse a trailer that looks like a cross between Fortnite and Suicide Squad is obviously gonna get ratio'd to hell. we're seeing the same thing with star wars, if you want to make a star wars show, make a star wars show, if you want to make a show about lesbian space witches and girlbosses DONT CALL IT STAR WARS, because star wars fans don't want that s%%t. franchises have fan bases and companies keep s%%ting on those fan bases by pushing woke BS that the fan bases don't give a c%%p about, its infecting everything from Witcher to Doctor Who and even freaking Warhammer. its murdering franchises. meanwhile you could make a NEW and original franchise which is openly aimed at the mystical and elusive "modern audience" and we won't care what you do to it because we're not fans of the franchise, we aren't watching our childhood get destroyed, you do you, go as woke as you want with your new thing. i went off on a bit of a tangent there with the Woke s%%t, but the TL:DR is: "don't take a franchise with an established fanbase and try to change the franchise into something else, the fanbase doesn't want something else, they want the thing they love."
I can agree on the problem with people taking ips just to make something with a name. It's the same situation with halo, where they could've just made a generic sci fi thing, but Ig the ip adds easy viewership numbers
@@HandsomeMain agreed they are crutching on the fandom of big IPs for cheap viewership numbers, but they are burning the IPs to the ground at the same time. eventually they'll run out of IPs to ruin and we'll just be left with "generic scifi thing" anyway, we just won't have any big IPs with remaining fanbases. :P
I just don’t know. Both trailers in my opinion looked bad. The gameplay one did look significantly better though. I just don’t think that the game is going to be that good, and even if it is, I doubt that people are going to give it a chance due to the mixed first impressions.
Ya I think in general that first trailer just wasn't a good idea for a reveal, but the gameplay at least tone corrected. Even if the game does come out great somehow, it'll probably Biowares last, cause there's no way it actually sells well with the reception it's having rn
Writing a great story, creating a great game, writing a great movie are not easy. We get so very few of each and if it where easy then everyone would do it. So why complicate a difficult process by having to include inclusion? Bioware, Disney and so many others are hiring people with paper thin resumes on the cheap for these massive projects. The people they hire lack the experience and skill to execute these projects, but all seem to have the same ideology. This stuff always seems to go one way. Then when these shows, movies, and games flop they hide behind their virtue and blame the consumers for being bigoted. Hiring nonqualified people for challenging projects and adding to that challenge with inclusion requirements and they wonder why these things fail.
Yeah, I'm aware that it wasn't. Which is why I was never going to buy it. They lost all the people who made their best games, its kind of a given that the ones left over wont ever be able to recreate the magic they once had. The games can still be decent, but all you've got now is a bunch of very skilled developers, medicore writers, and greedy corporate execs all trying to get their vision through without any semblance of a unified vision or any consideration for what the fans even wanted in the first place.
@HandsomeMain Yeah, it can. But I've been burned by having faith in these companies too many times to give the benefit of the doubt. They dont deserve it. Especially Bioware (or, more specifically, EA.) It'll take multiple home runs for me to forgive the absolute dumpster fire that was Andromeda's launch. I'll give it time. If they release a game and I hear nothing but good things, I'll consider picking it up after a year or two.
Hate never benefit anyone, that's true. But criticsm DO benefit. Judging the 'game' by the trailer is also 100% Valid. It's a t r a i l e r. Say it with me now, TRAILER. Where you show your teases, some of the cool interesting moments, to get people interested, hyped, and inclined to purchase the product. When you put out a trailer that makes people vomit, you have literally FAILED to understand what a trailer is supposed to do. However... I played all 3 DA games. And I guess i'm the first for you then, because I kinda somewhat expected it to BE like Origin. But perhaps it was more "hope" than "expect" on my part, not sure. As for coming forward "now" and complain/hate/whine/whatever, well kinda hard to complain about a game if you havent seen the effing game. How can you be surprised it's not until now the 'hate' train started? They literally just showed the game for the FIRST time. Doesnt that tell you that perhaps there's actually some truth and merit behind the 'complaints' regarding Veilguard? Anyone that does 'hate' on a game that have zero gameplay trailers, zero trailers, and barely any screenshots, THOSE are the individuals you can easily just ignore. Bioware lost touch with it's audience way over 10 years ago. There latest game was...Anthem... how did that one turn out again? So far from what I've seen, I'm honestly somewhat positively surprised by the low amount of BS in the game, BS like DEI/Woke crap. And offline, no EA account binding needed, and zero MTX. That is GOOD. But that also points at the problem we already know about today's gaming culture, where we *today* cheer and praise a studio for NOT having micro transactions. That shows the shift we all have done. Several years ago, a game with MTX would get butchered online. Today its more like ..meh, every game has mtx...what's that, this game doesnt? Wow awesome. I lost most of my interest and hype in Dreadwolf..I mean Veilguard (dumb effing namechange). The characters seem SUPER boring. There's always romance in BW games, who the eff are we supposed to romance? The little dwarf lady with silly amount of freckles? The dark skinned lady with a stupid hat? Or that other chick that I dont know if she was even in the gameplay trailer, veilguard, or veilhunter, something like that. They're all effing ugly. Just like Inquisition. Sure it's about personal taste. But who was actually attractive in Veilguard and Inquisition? Inquisition we had Cassandra, who to be blunt, came off more like a 100% hardcore lesbian. Josephine was probably the only one of interest, and she was SO boring as a character. The combat looks crap. Characters looks boring. Varric suddenly had a change of hair color? I buy the whole "he's older now", but how the fudge do you go from red to BLACK when you get older? Is it just me or does THIS Varric remind you of Thorin from The Hobbit(the movies) ? Lastly, my only hope for this game, and there's a slight chance at least some of my wishes come true based on recent talk, and that is , it aint a DA game without Morrigan and Leliana. Those two has to pop up one way or another. And no, BW better not have turned both those ladies into lesbians too. Enough with the DEI/Woke bullcrap. So Morrigan, Leliana...heck throw in some Flemeth too lol. Also the most important one... "Enchantments?" To be fair I barely remember the story or conclusion in Inquisition. Partly because it was so long ago. Also because back then games had already started to annoy me with the oversaturated action/open world crap. Not every effing franchise needs to turn into an action/hack n slash open world 150hr long grind of pointless sidequests.. Look at Final Fantasy, FF16 is a effing shame on the franchise. Barely anything about that game said "this is a FF game". Assassin's Creed has also lost its way, though many releases ago. Every effing game needs to be turned into action, or souls-like or open world, etc etc. And yes, I did hope that Veilguard would be MORE like Origins. Even more so after the ONLY proper RPG in a good while, BG3. BG3 kicks DA's butt 7 days a week. Veilguard isnt even out yet, but it's already obvious it doesnt hold a candle against BG3. Not fair to compare? Why not? Fantasy. RPG. Same genre, based on the same ground concept of a game. Look at Origins, that was the first game in the 'franchise', and that will ALWAYS be the foundation for what a DA game is, no matter how many people scream that Inquisition and Veilguard is the 'proper' and "fun" DA. Might be fun, but Origins is ..well, the origins. It's like they make Dark Souls 6 in the future, but instead of playing and feeling like a Souls game, it's basically a copy of Stardew Valley. I'm not hating on BW or DA, or even EA for that matter. But we gotta understand that the BW some of us used to love many years ago, doesnt exist anymore. Barely *anyone* from the glory days are even at BW today. Bioware showed the world that they think they're the sh-t, when they made the funny statement that their game will be great, due to their "Bioware magic". How effing vain and tonedeaf are you, when you reason like that? You push out a game that flops hard (Anthem) but defend it saying it will become great, thanks to some BW magic. Even if BW had magic, that magic left them when almost every core member of BW left, years ago. Even the bloody founders of BW left. BW changed and become a mediocre studio when everyone expected it to happen, when EA bought them. DA 2, with it's copy/paste dungeons. Inquisition ...well I'll just say 'hinterlands'. Anthem...mega flop. And now Veilguard where people rightfully so mass-disliked the trailer. No matter how big of a BW or DA fanboy one is, anyone defending that first trailer is pure blind and most likely a 13 year old that loves Fortnite. But here's hoping the game turns out to be GREAT. I wont pre-order it, as I think no one should ever pre-order a game. I was hyped, somewhat, for a new DA game, but seeing what we've seen now, and me personally coming off way too many hours in BG3, theres just no way DAV will be even remotely close to a nominee for GOTY, and possibly not even a candidate for my money. Considering there's FIVE interesting games coming out 2nd half of 2024. Sadly 2 of them are ubicrap games, but AC is a franchise I'll always play. BUT wont pay their silly price for it on day one though. Some patience and chill, and they'll reduce the price somewhat soon, they always do that. Then we have god of war ragnarök, kingdom come deliverance 2. Oh, and the so far non-interesting Dragon Age from that studio that was great 2 decades ago but havent one anything good in forever. Yeah, 5 games, 4 are interesting to some degree, and one is probably yet another flop.
