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Versus Collaborative | Luke Skywalker (Dark Empire) vs Count Dooku 

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@deadponic117
@deadponic117 4 месяца назад
Edit: The video has officially reached 2000+ views, holy crap, thank you so much guys!
@neonthunder3261
@neonthunder3261 4 месяца назад
Ooh a new Versus youtuber! W
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 4 месяца назад
Indeed
@jayburn00
@jayburn00 3 месяца назад
That halo 4 music actually goes well with star wars lol
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 3 месяца назад
Thanks. I always find that Halo music tends to fit very well with the crafting of these videos. I am glad the choice i met with your approval.
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 4 месяца назад
Thanks for watching everyone. This collaboration was an absolute pleasure to do with Deadponic and I hope the our efforts are met with your enjoyment. If anyone has any input for either myself or Deadponic, please do not hesitate to leave a comment below or reply here. We are always seeking to improve and grow as versus content creators. We are also open to suggestions for future matchups. What makes these videos worth while is the community we share them with. You all make what we do possible and we are grateful for your time and input. On behalf of Deadponic and myself, thank you for being part of this journey. Peace out everyone.
@quangtrungbui675
@quangtrungbui675 4 месяца назад
this is pretty much a good match-up. This match-up is about two true martial arts masters facing off each other. I think in this match physical endurance won't matter so much because Luke and Dooku, though like facing each other face to face, they still prefer to mantain their mid-guard pose and prefer going slow mostly making feints to test each other, so the bursts of combinations don't play a big part in the duration of the duel. If this really happens, i'm afraid ol' Dooku can only be bested so easily by Grandmaster Luke, not Dark Empire Luke. Grandmaster Luke is pretty much an organic and more flexible version of his father (depending on who you wish to think off), only he can disarm Dooku with only a few moves. Otherwise, well Dark Empire Luke really should be careful, this old man maybe humbling, but he is truly something. Beating Sidious in Dark Empire may carry some weight since his approach is very similar to Dooku, but much more about aggression, but Luke was amplified by Leia's Force Harmony, but really matching Sidious blow to blow means Luke won't have so much difficult dealing with Dooku's blade bursts. This match won't really last long, in only a few combinations, i have to admit. If Luke can match the younger and much faster Sidious in bladework, tanking the first combinations is an extremely difficult thing, but not impossible, he is going to disarm Dooku once he got his rhythm.
@deadponic117
@deadponic117 4 месяца назад
see i don't disagree with what you're saying, this fight wouldn't be a quick affair though, it would be a gradual process culminating with a crescendo.
@quangtrungbui675
@quangtrungbui675 4 месяца назад
@@deadponic117 maybe, i sometimes doubt about the real length of lightsaber duels across the story line of Star Wars. In real life, a duel can last for minutes provided the blade clashing is constant until someone breaks. If the duelists cannot end with a decisive strike, they have to break out and to their guard positions, restart their attacks/defenses and repeat the cycle until someone lost. Force-assisted? Maybe a dozen of minutes, half an hour or one full hour of constant blade clashing can be understandable. Over-extending and reckless charging is very dangerous and we saw the consequences even in Star Wars series (Vader approves this). Even with Force-enhanced advantage, mental fatigue is far lower than true physical fatigue really is. Building up for a decisive strike? Yes, we can all agree. But how long until Luke can win out the blade-to-blade clash against Dooku? 5 minutes if he can push the Count constantly from the first move, he is going to burn out very fast. But the question starts about their approaches. Both seek to end the fight quickly, but in very different lines. Luke is a master of ending a duel in just a few moves, very similar to his father Vader, but he is very relaxed even if the match-up prolongs. Dooku is a beast at ending a duel quickly, but he's developed that kind of dueling skill-level to absolute mastery but he sucks at prolonged fights and he knows this. And due to his compromised physical abilities, Luke's ability to grind him fast and clean is in only a few minutes is pretty much a given. Dooku reaches fatigue very fast, mentally and healthy, and he needs some time to rest, while a few seconds of break time for Luke is already enough to go in again, since his Battle meditation and Battle mind is so refined that mental stress is not really a big thing for him. But one of my points still stays true, Luke is going to have extreme difficulty keeping up with Dooku's lightning fast and silky smooth bladework, but it's going to be so easy for him once he's tanked them through. And frankly, we still haven't included Luke's extremely refined abilities with the Force, no doubt inflence from Yoda, Ben, and both of his dads. The fact that he can use the Force being the shield like Vader's armor to tank through Dooku's Force Push or Lightning is very probable given his sensitive battle intelligence and his Skywalker gene, a no-mean edge. A really good analysis in your side, i highly respect and admire that. I just complimented some of your ideas with mine.
@shatteredrubyheart9082
@shatteredrubyheart9082 3 месяца назад
@@deadponic117 Sorry but Grandmaster Luke destroys Dooku not an opinion it is a fact but Dark Empire Luke would be a more fair fight Luke would still win of course but it at least is a fight
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 2 месяца назад
@@shatteredrubyheart9082 We aren't talking about Grand Master Luke. We all know GM Luke would crush Dooku because of how op he is. As the amount of combatants that can actually evenly contend with GM Luke is astronomically small.
@silverjaguar134
@silverjaguar134 4 месяца назад
Great video.
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 4 месяца назад
Thank you. Deadponic and I are very proud of the production that we made and happy that you enjoyed it. If there is any suggestions you would like to make for the future, do not hesitate to let us know.
@silverjaguar134
@silverjaguar134 4 месяца назад
Ben skywalker vs darth maul ?
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner 3 месяца назад
I have 2 comments. Some seriously needed constructive criticism and my opinion on the video. 1) For your own good, I have to politely suggest that you stop plagiarizing in the future. Your lines from 4:50 to 5:31 are taken DIRECTLY from Jensaarai One's "Versus Series: Darth Bane Vs Luke Skywalker", with only a few words being altered. Jensaarai One: "While Luke Skywalker as featured in the classic Expanded Universe is the superior version of the character, Grandmaster Luke is also OP as fuck. [...] but it also makes Grandmaster Luke both difficult to research due to the sheer amount of material, and difficult to use because the number of combatants on his level is extremely small. By using Dark Empire Luke, I cut down on the research and get a much more balanced combatant; one who is still highly developed and powerful, but without being OP." - Versus Series: Darth Bane Vs Luke Skywalker". Deadponic 117: "While the version of Luke as featured in classic Expanded lore is by far the superior version of the character, Grandmaster Luke is for all intents and purposes OP as fuck. Not only does this make Grandmaster Luke difficult to research due to the sheer amount of material that it becomes headache inducing, but it also makes him impossible to use in a regular matchup due to the number of fighters on his level being extremely small. By using Dark Empire era Luke, not only is the amount of material not as overwhelming, but you still get a highly developed character that isn't broken and isn't capable of simply stomping anybody he's up against." - Versus Collaborative | Luke Skywalker (Dark Empire) vs Count Dooku See what I mean? Not word for word, but waaaaay too similar imo. I can see how Jenssarai One's style has heavily influenced your own versus series, which is fine. But you need to seriously avoid taking lines directly from his scripts and only changing a few words, because this isn't the first time I've noticed this in your videos. "Luke Skywalker is a vastly better character in Legends Continuity than Disney Canon, but at the same time, he's incredibly overpowered compared to the rest of the franchise. With him having so much material that needs to be considered for research, as well as the number of combatants who can give him a hard fight being very limited, Grandmaster Luke simply isn't an ideal character for a versus series match. Using Dark Empire Luke makes the research much easier by removing the need to analyze his feats from the dozens of post Dark Empire stories, as well as providing a version of the character that is still very powerful, but much more comparable to many other high tiers.". See how I got the exact same point across without having to use a slightly modified version of Jensaarai One's script? I'm not writing this comment to bully you for your mistake. I'm simply giving you polite feedback to avoid plagiarism issues in the future. My favourite RU-vidr is a guy called DanCo, and he's plagiarized online articles in the past many times which has led to many of his videos being removed multiple times. I don't want to see a promising versus series maker with great potential falling into the bad habit of copying parts of other RU-vidrs' scripts. Your Versus Series videos are already extremely similar in style and word choice to Jensaarai One's, so lets make sure that we're simply taking inspiration from him rather than copying many lines from his videos. 2) I do like this video. I disagree with the notion that Dooku is the better force user, as Luke is more powerful, more versatile, and can certainly use the force offensively (he pushed DE Sidious for crying out loud), but we both agree DE Luke wins in he end. I really like seeing versus series videos with DE Luke, as I agree that they're more interesting than ones with Grandmaster Luke.
@SeparatistShadowfeed
@SeparatistShadowfeed 4 месяца назад
Excellent work on the video. You both have proven to be highly sophisticated analyzers. However I disagree that Luke would be able to win out over Count Dooku. While Luke's physical advantage is commendable, it must not be forgotten that almost every opponent Dooku faced had similar physical advantages. No opponent Dooku faced was truly able to overwhelm his guard without drawing on the dark side to amp their rage. Mace couldn't overwhelm Dooku, Yoda couldn't, and Anakin only did so through dark side rage and Dooku holding back. As for martial combat, Dooku is a much better duelist as you did not account for Luke's shortcomings against Lumiya and Desaan. His victory over Vader in the grand scheme of things was little more than a fluke, and also rooted in Vader's own handicaps that Dooku does not suffer. As for force abilities, Dooku was able to stalemate Yoda, so unless you are going to argue that Dark Empire Luke is more powerful Grand Master Yoda, Dooku will be more powerful. Luke is good, but Dooku is simply more refined and was truly the greatest swordmaster of his era.
@deadponic117
@deadponic117 4 месяца назад
the thing is that we both looked at the facts regarding both combatants, and we both came to the conclusion that Luke has faced someone of Dooku's caliber and while it was somewhat of a fluke that Luke won in ROTJ, it's not as far fetched to say that someone less in skill than vader could theoretically defeat him if the right circumstances were in play, plus Luke has experience fighting vader twice before ROTJ. "Of his era", that's the thing, the Jedi of Dooku's era adopted a standard training specialization of narrow yet highly versatile fighting styles, which Dooku made a point of avoiding falling into this trap, which is why so many jedi fell to his blade, Luke lived in an era where almost all of the jedi were gone and he had to learn from second hand sources and his fighting style was built off instinctual imitation rather than adhering to form, as stated in the video. The reason i didn't include Desaan was because that was at the point in time when Luke was grandmaster of the NJO and that isn't applicable for the matchup.
@SeparatistShadowfeed
@SeparatistShadowfeed 4 месяца назад
​@@deadponic117 Which sort of highlights my point. When Luke built his technique, he did so specifically to counter Darth Vader. As you yourself mention, a contributing reason for why defeated Vader, came down to Vader's own psychological shortcomings. I will agree of how standardized the Clone Wars era was for Jedi, but considering Dooku was never truly bested in dueling leading up to Anakin on the Invisible Hand (Which let's be for real mainly stemmed from his overwhelming power and strength). Unless you are to suggest that Dark Empire Luke is a better duelist compared to Yoda, Mace, or ROTS Anakin, Dooku should be able to simply out skill Luke. Especially since Luke does not leverage his strength the same way Anakin does. While it is true Vader was similar in some ways to Dooku, similar only takes you so far. Especially when Vader had very obvious physical limitations while Dooku's really could only be exploited when going against opponents of overwhelming power. As for Desaan. Considering he is neither on Dooku or Vader's level and was still able to give Luke a serious challenge, it kinda makes Luke's viability questionable.
@quangtrungbui675
@quangtrungbui675 3 месяца назад
I don't know if anyone has made this or this is a little too much from you guys, but I would like to see a match-up between master Shaak Ti and Grandmaster Luke Skywalker. I look forward to see how much you guys can take when analyzing two of the most broken Jedi in the Star Wars stories. And I also wonder if really Luke can easily take a Jedi who is notches better than his wife, master Mara-Jade Skywalker and his Order's battle master Kyle Katarn.
@deadponic117
@deadponic117 3 месяца назад
Using Grandmaster Luke is super difficult because of how much material he has and theres only a few characters that are on his level, as i eluded to in the video itself, however, im planning to use dark empire luke again against 2 other opponents, one of them is shaak ti, and the other im keeping as a closely guarded secret.
@quangtrungbui675
@quangtrungbui675 3 месяца назад
@@deadponic117 and the overwhelming material and difficulty in researching is one of the reasons that I want to see master Ti in the match-up. Beside being underused in most films, Ti's duel with Galen Marek seems to be one single package enough to summarize her broken powers and dueling skills, if not mentioning her rediculous performance in the comics, and somewhat in Star Wars The Clone Wars 2003 TV series, one of the rare occasion she is properly ultilized. But those little data is already too clear to see that master Ti can easily school even Dark Empire Darth Sidious and prime Darth Vader. And from that, you can pay more attention to analyze Grandmaster Luke. Quite a handy match-up for every side, I think.
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 3 месяца назад
@@quangtrungbui675 The problem is while Shaak Ti is definitely very powerful, I do feel you are overestimating her capabilities. With the exception of Grandmaster Luke and maybe Darth Krayt, no one is schooling Dark Empire Palpatine. Shaak Ti definitely can take on Darth Vader and has a decent chance in winning, I am actually planning to do a Shaak Ti vs Darth Vader match up, however those two are mostly on equal footing and would be far from a one sided fight. While the use of Grandmaster Luke has some potential, he has to be matched with someone who can actually be on the same level as him without him simply stomping his opponent from overwhelming force power. Arguably the only people up there is Grandmaster Yoda, Mace Windu, Dark Empire Palpatine, Darth Krayt, and maybe Vitiate. Any other sets of match ups would not only make the research difficult but it would be regarded as pretty much pointless because of how one sided it is. I will say, as much as I can't speak for Deadponic, I do intend to make one match up with Grandmaster Luke, but it will take time to find a very worthy opponent for him.
@quangtrungbui675
@quangtrungbui675 3 месяца назад
@@kingorange7739 in your list, I'm thinking of removing Grandmaster Yoda. Yoda may be a very capable opponent for Luke, but his first response, which is pure and reckless Ataru approach, is completely wrong and it would ironically be the death sentence Yoda is going to face when encountering a walking tank with Vader's intelligence like Grandmaster Luke. Windu, Krayt, Dark Empire Sidious should be the only ones able to make Luke shed some sweat in your list. But it also leads to a pattern of an opponent that can really make Luke lay on the floor exhausted even if he gains victory. A duelist that can tick cold pragmatism, extreme speed, a highly randomized dueling method that can is far too agile and fast for Luke to easily gain his rhythm in. And therefore I highly recommend master Ti in this regard, though maybe a bit overrating her in my side. Vader has his reasons of sending Galen Marek to take Ti instead of doing so himself, outside from the reasons of the final challenge of Marek's training, Sith's extreme demands and Vader only cares about Kenobi and no one else. And I'm pretty sad that Ti was heavily ignored in the storyline. Marek describe her presence in the Force is like a beacon that stunts Felucia's dark side corrosion on the planet and he had such a hard time both dealing with her blade to blade and the gigantic Sarlaac pit under her control. Her bladework and speed is fast enough to dance with a horde of Grievous's IG-100 magnaguards. She simply removed classical Ataru and Makashi' drawbacks in her own dueling skills. And I have to admit, this kind of Jedi is not something Luke can see every day in Yavin IV's temple although some familiarity can be included as his wife Mara-Jade and his niece Jaina Solo are somewhat similar to Ti in their huntress mentality being embedded into their speed blitzing methods, and they really gave Luke a brutal workout just by sparring with them. But did Luke's Order have anyone capable of matching and/or surpasses Ti in both physical prowess, dueling skills and skills with the Force abilities? Maybe his niece Jaina is the only one capable of doing that. In the end, I think that Shaak Ti is not a very powerful Jedi that you think, she is far more than being very powerful. Even if pairing her against Grandmaster Luke, yes, I can hardly think of any scene from Luke disarming Ti from her lightsaber then both of them collapse on the floor from extreme fatigue though Luke is always the final victor. I already said in the comments before, it's about how much effort Luke had to juice out to take Ti, not how easy Luke can take her. I very like what you did with the Dooku and Luke match-up, and I'm very eager looking forward to what you can take in the future.
@lapplandkun9273
@lapplandkun9273 2 месяца назад
Grandmaster Luke stomps. Complete mismatch against Shaak ti
@OfficialRaveBlitz
@OfficialRaveBlitz 2 месяца назад
I sense you guys took a lot of inspiration from Jensaarai's Versus videos, and I mean a LOT, right down to the tone of voice and inflections Jen' tends to use. Like I get it, he's a great RU-vidr, but at least be a little more original.
@jayburn00
@jayburn00 3 месяца назад
Would it be inaccurate to say that Luke at this point in his life was comparable in ability to Anakin when he turned to the dark side?
@deadponic117
@deadponic117 3 месяца назад
yes and no, on the one hand, luke's scaling eclipses his father, but as far as by the time of dark Empire, Luke's power was top tier jedi council master, comparable to someone like Shaak Ti, he hadn't reached grandmaster status yet but he was still a very powerful force wielder, which is why Palpatine sought to convert him to the dark side.
@CalebsCaveofCollectibles
@CalebsCaveofCollectibles 3 месяца назад
I haven’t watched the video in full yet. I'm in the physical section so far. But a couple things: your reasons for using DE Luke are almost exactly the same as Jensaarai. I agree with them, but be careful of plagiarism. Also, Luke is not 6'2". Far from it. He's 1.72 meters, which makes him just under 5'8".
@deadponic117
@deadponic117 3 месяца назад
I just did the conversion, you're right he's 5'8, I hate the metric system sometimes
@CalebsCaveofCollectibles
@CalebsCaveofCollectibles 3 месяца назад
@@deadponic117 Me too, felt that!
@djb9267
@djb9267 4 месяца назад
Luke would easily win. Vader already thought he was stronger tgan old ben, someone equal to anh vader. "Vader shook his head. A great Victory. Once that would have been something to make him proud. Now? Now it was as hollow as smashing These weak X-Wing pilots. A warrior needed to contend with equals. Obi-Wan Was gone, and the other Jedi were all extinct, save one, who was the strongest of them all. His own Son." Taken from Star wars shadows of the empire. Anh vader had already surpassed anakin, who is stronger than dooku. "More important, Vader's bloodlust had been appeased; replaced by self-possession of a sort he had never before experienced. It was as if he had crossed some invisible threshold to a new World. He could feel the power of the dark side Surging through him like an icy torrent. He felt invulnerable in a way that had nothing to Do with his durasteel prostheses, his suit of armor and gadgets, which now seemed little more than an Outfit. And it had taken a Jedi- yet another Jedi- to usher him over that threshold. " Taken from Star wars the rise of darth vader. With this, Luke should easily win.
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 4 месяца назад
Sources surrounding Old Ben's strength have been spotty at best. This is especially prevalent considering Vader had Kenobi on the run in less than a minute. Calling Old Ben and Vader complete equals would be hapharzdous. While Luke's raw power isn't denied, something we highlight in this very video. That alone does not make a victory a majority of the time. Skill and tactical considerations are also major factors. As mentioned, while Luke does have more power, he is also extremely reserved with it and was not willing to cut lose with it during Dark Empire's timeframe out of fear of falling to the dark side. While Luke isn't incapable of overwhelming Dooku through force power, his unwillingness to do so serves almost as badly as a disadvantage as being incapable. In summary, Luke has most advantages going for him in power and performance, but Dooku's own skill and technical proficiencies allows him to properly contend for a limited about of time. By my own estimation, a fight between them would last around the same length of time as Anakin, Obi Wan, and Yoda's bout with him on Geonosis. A timeframe of 3-5 minutes.
@djb9267
@djb9267 4 месяца назад
@@kingorange7739 Even if you think he was weaker, he should at least be relative to anh vader. Fighting a loosing battle doesn't mean that old ben doesn't scale to vader.
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 4 месяца назад
@@djb9267In some sense that can be true. But as I mentioned before, even if that was the case that Old Ben scaled relative to ANH Vader, it doesn’t change my core point. No two combatants are the same.
@deadponic117
@deadponic117 4 месяца назад
we did point out that this would not be an easy fight for luke, not even close, Dooku is a better swordsman purely through developed skill and is much more experienced, but luke has the right ingredients to defeat him, and that's the difference between a fighter who is lesser in skill being able to defeat a superior opponent and vice versa.
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