Victor Davis Hanson Debates Immigration 

Should have built a wall in 1985

Powell got his wish, and it’s a disaster

This is 18 years old and NOTHING HAS CHANGED The situation has actually gotten worse

VHD is arguing from the real world and the economist is arguing from his model where he can control the variables to get what he wants.

Powell is so far out of his depths...and yet he acts like he is well above it.

He flew over the midwest and saw all kinds of open land? That land is already owned by people. It isnt his to give away

One of the things that has always struck me about the immigration debate and the problem of illegality is that the displaced citizen laborers are seldom, if ever, mentioned. I worked for years building homes in the Phoenix area during the 1970s and 1980s. I was able to support my family of four without the necessity of my wife having to have a job outside the home. Today, most of the citizen tradesmen building homes have been replaced by non-citizen, illegal workers. The only place where this isn't true is in very small towns or rural areas where homebuilding is still carried out by small, local contractors. The wages of construction workers have fallen over time, but I don't believe home prices have reflected the lower labor costs to contractors.

2006 This aged very well

I am a naturalized citizen who has gone through vetting prior to receiving a visa even though my father was an American citizen. I, and the rest of my family, immigrated to the US in1960. During my career as a chemist working for a multinational corporation, I had the opportunity to work on projects in Switzerland and several other countries around the world. I found the Swiss system dealing with immigrants working there as one our government could use to address this issue. The Swiss allow immigrants to work there for eleven months, leave for one month and then return for another eleven months. While in Switzerland they are not hiding making reasonable wages and paying into the system similar to Swiss citizens. They, however, cannot apply for citizenship. The Swiss use this system to get needed labor without immigrants entering their country illegally.

How will most Americans, not just employers and others with a vested interest in immigrants, express their wishes regarding "free association?" This term is a beloved yet vague one much relied on by Libertarians and Cato Institute types. I don't wish to be forced to associate with people hostile to my culture, religion, language and rights as an American, yet am forced to to do so by unlawful policies and actions. Neither do I freely agree to pay for or compete for housing, jobs and benefits with many millions of people who are unlawfully here. VDH is correct to say immigration is a multi-faceted problem and must be treated as such. There's not much benefit to increasing GDP if we lose our civilization in the process.

42:00 Then the people who vote in more immigrants to come in SHOULD HAVE TO sponsor them in THEIR LOCALITY and we should have multiple ellis islands at the border.

I'm ten years old, I can fix this...

I live in El Centro, California. Today I saw approximately 50 men, ages 18 to about 35. All had cell phones, all had EBT cards, all were living in a hotel in Imperial, California. We have 13 million people here in California on Medical. No wonder we can't fix a road.

Hanson discusses the ACTUAL/REALIZED consequences of illegal immigration; Powell discusses the IDEALIZED/THEORETICAL benefits of illegal immigration while ignoring actual/realized consequences. Hanson is teleologically a realist; Powell uses a deontological approach to rationalize illegal immigration. According to Powell, the means justify the outcome regardless of consequences. Powell mutilates a rational understanding of the consequences of illegal immigration. Teleological ethics focuses on the end goal or outcome of an action and determines morality based on whether the outcome is good or bad. Deontological ethics evaluate the morality of an action based on its inherent rightness or wrongness, regardless of its consequences.

I mowed laws and washed dishes when I was a kid, so much white privilege.

I live here all my life and it's hard enough to get by, what must it be like for somebody who's never even seen a traffic light?

In pa if I let someone live in my home and get mail. We can not get them to leave. No way.

So, the guy quoting Hayek, says we have "programs" that inculcate immigrants with values, language etc.. Is he advocating for even more government schools and programs to do this work? This is absurd and not VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION. We have a complete disaster with acculturation now, for various reasons, among them, that people arriving now come with a La Raza worldview. After 23 years in the college system, I can attest to this fact.

Re-elect Donald Trump to solve our border problems.

Vdh and Ben Powell? The crossover I've been waiting for!

Do illegals NOT come to West Virginia because of the low wages? I thought it was because our road signs were not bilingual.

The word and deed of "adoption" has been lost. If you sponsor a foreign individual, you put your estate up for liability.

VDH is correct, but the democrats are hell bent on unchallengeable, one party rule.

Young man I'll give u cudos for debating Victor

The kid speaks like a robot regurgitating information. Just take a deep breath and talk normal. It's not a partisan competition on the whole encyclopedia, just a friendly discussion on both sides of the argument the voters will have to simulate and decide. Thanks for your study and hard work.😊

I'm all for immigration... we need to attract the brightest and the best.. but what is happening at our open borders is criminal... and it's all deliberate........ 😢

Maybe we should date this presentation I have no idea video says 2days ago,date stamp these videos

You watch yourself! I once flew back to the States, and on that card they make one fill out for customs and immigration, there was a s space for ' ethnicity' I wrote 'Visigothic / Vandal. Not even kidding.

If only we had better leadership…Sowell, Hansen etc…our country would be in better hands

Hope I am not disrespectful, I fill sorry for Dr. Powell

Just curious, had Dr. Powell ever had a job? I don't think he has even now.

VDH is the wisest man in the world.

When the majority wakes up to their ethical self and abolishes counterfeiting money from all, your little immigration problem disappears. A doctor once said, treat the cause of the illness, not the symptoms.

And then nothing was done and it only got worse

VDH knows what he's talking about, pure, legitimate confidence. the other guy is far out of his depth, nervous and more worried about being wrong or right, since he himself doubts himself, it's obvious

What Mr Powell doesn't understand is regardless of ANY NUMBER set for the acceptable amount of Legal Immigration it will NEVER be enough for the groups who want to emigrate here. As long as the US is the #1 Super Power & the leading Economy, there will never be enough spaces for all of the people who want to come here. The 2nd leading Economy is China and we know that China will NEVER allow unlimited Immigration. They have what, 2 Billion people? They understand what it's like to have too many people. I read an article which stated most of the population of Central America, South America and the Caribbean would emigrate here if possible. While looking for it (bc I forgot to bookmark it) I found a lot more articles. So if we change the Immigration Laws to allow more people, it still won't stop the other people who still want to come here. So when do we say there's enough people here? This man is so out of touch with the real world. VDH always says that Liberals NEVER have to live with the consequences which is why it's such a good idea for Gov. Abbott to send the Immigrants to Blue Sanctuary Cities. Many of these people are non-English speaking, uneducated, unskilled workers. As the world become more technological the need for these types of unskilled workers diminishes. www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/about-160m-people-would-like-to-immigrate-to-the-us-heres-what-that-means Here's a Gallup Poll news.gallup.com/poll/468218/nearly-900-million-worldwide-wanted-migrate-2021.aspx

How do you resolve this issue of those who want 1,000,000 illegals and those of us who want none?. Meeting in the middle is not the answer.

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Dr. Powell position will change some as he gets older

great thoughts from both

Mr. Hanson always and only talks from within the parameters of establishment. The solutions today will require, thinking outside the box the box.

Hanson reasoning is far ahead of Mr. Economics Fixers rather inept floating gaseous and Fixed dilutions of fixing! 😊

I would think the best solution is a guest worker program. Workers can cross our border as long as they have a sponsor who will be financially and legally responsible for the worker. Those workers who will not assimilate would have to return home during off seasons.

I stopped watching this program becayse some kept shuffling papers and it was to disturbing

How come these guys never consider the fact that a much larger group would put political pressure for a much higher min wage? Yes the sheer numbers by themselves put a downward pressure on wages, however what politician would allow the removal of min wage?

How can he not mention, how the immigration laws were changed in 1965 and by whom.

There’s no screen it’s like radio we can hear his voice but you can’t see nothing

VDH was right. Powell was wrong. It is not a frinctionless supply/demand curve. California is now failed economically and socially.

1776-1860 We need them to pick crops.... 1865-2024 We need them to pick crops.... Same excuse different victims....

Texas Tech boy is an embarrassment of higher education!

A well regulated open border system can be beneficial. But it seems our society wants their cake and eat it too. Without making any sacrifices or compromises.

Excellent VDH! I just want to know WHO benefits from this CHOATIC System! An Argument might say “Yes! We should allow 1-2 Million People to our Country /year”. Hey, THATS WHAT OPEN Borders means!

Mr. Powell doesn't take into consideration land ownership and housing. All these years later we see all of the major cities of our country overrun with people who will never own land or a home of their own because they will never earn enough to make either of those things happen. If the children of upper middle class families can't do it; what chance does an immigrant from Venezuela? Another point is Mr. Powell only talks about Mexicans crossing our border. Today citizens from Central and South America outnumber the Mexicans.

If more jobs and more workers are synonymous, why not just have the government mandate a supervisor for each employee a company hires, there by doubling the available jobs overnight. Surely that would be a massive benefit to the economy.

Powell is from what state?

Home slice contradicted himself. Immigration is an unambiguous economic good...we need to reform immigration so it becomes an economic good. Which I it there, young feller, if'n its an unambiguous economic good then it doesn't need reform, if'n it needs reformin' so it becomes an economic good, then it ain't one now

Why did it take 18 years to post this video?

Need a real economist for this one.

This guy Hanson is debating cracks me up !!! He's trying to argue 81% of Americans are against his flooding of our country . He has no argument and you can tell him his voice

Is this guy still holding to his thesis? We have seen no net gain from illegal immigration.

Powel must be living in a gated community!😊

WHAT is all that paper shuffling racket!!! Very annoying noise

The US should charge a 50 per cent tax on the money they send home

this must be an old video?

Should have mined the border, along with building a wall.

Powell wants any quantity at any time? 17:20. Like 6 billion people in his back yard?

In & out of season 🧂

Powell needs to check his research because what he says as the solution for immigration is already in the law.

Hey I’m from the future. Turns out VDH was right and America is over.

Typical economist who lives on spreadsheets and computer models and not the real world. VDH seems to be taking a humanistic approach based on compassion and yet reality. Hard to believe that this was nearly 20 years ago.

The economist obviously has no real business experience. He approaches the subject from a theoretical, top down. Not from the bottom up, real statistics, mathematical analysis. No numerical diagnosis.

New technology will always supplant cheaper labor.

Let’s go Brandon.

Mr fixit will not in the future be providing any benefit to his immigrant neighbors refrigerator, education, transportation or any other wants and needs of image ants or any other folks!😊

It's quite distracting for a speaker to preface every sentence -- or every other sentence -- with the filler sound "Uh." With minimal effort, this bad habit can be overcome.

I'm out. Cannot take the guy's Uh, Uh, Uh before during and after every sentence. UH!

This is from 2006--misleading clickbait.

uhh.. uhh.. uhh.. uh

I would like to see half of the 50% for immigrant wages going back to their respective nations stay in the USA to better fund immagrant social needs I.e. medical, transport, education, etc. etc.!😊

I'm disappointed with was Victor Davis Hanson on deporting . That challenges and just argues the whole or I should say defeats the whole idea are having a debate or even having any laws at the border. He really let me down there!!!!!!!

The senator should find a car wash find a car wash, desperate enough for help, to hire someone his age, and obvious, do nothin, background.