eh, i've watched every game this year and vic has taken STRIDES in his game too. spurs are finding him more, but he's already gotten so much better at turning it over less, shot selection, and general off-ball movement
Remember that on Kevin Durant's rookie season, his 3pt FG averaged 28.8%, so I'd say Wemby is not too terrible at this stage. Edited: And to add, Dirk's rookie season 3pt FG is a measly 20.6%. That's 2 PF's in the NBA top 75 known for their shooting but had under 30% 3pt FG in their rookie season.
@@huecogrinding4804 Fr RU-vid doesn’t like black ppl saying the n word so they deleted my comment too💀 but ts isn’t about race. I’m not about to turn into Uncle Ruckus over Jokic bc he’s white he’s simply the better player and has proven himself in the playoffs while Embiid has choked.
The current minutes restriction comes from when he rolled his ankle vs the Bulls and everyone thought it looked really bad but he said it was nothing and kept playing. A few nights later he stepped on a ballboy's foot warming up in Dallas and Pop held him out of the game and he has been on a ~24 minutes a night minute restriction with no back to backs since while saying they're waiting for MRI results on the ankle. I suspect a lot of that is the team wanting to tank for Risacher or Sarr or maybe Topic though.
Yeah plus they have another potential lottery pick from Toronto, and an insane amount of picks in the years that follow to trade for better pieces to fit around Wemby and crew.
Y'know this is really funny to me, because about 8 months ago I made a take on here about how I'd think Wemby would start slow, and then finally put it together at the end, and while I was kinda right, I did NOT expect him to be this good this quick. I'm so excited for the future of the league with this kid in it, and I'm so happy the Spurs are back to relevancy, this kid is gonna change the sport man.
He shouldn't be this good this early, and not only that, but he shouldn't be improving as quickly as he seems to be...but on both accounts, _he is._ It's surreal. As a Spurs fan, he's an absolute dream come true for the franchise.
Victor is the roy because he’s had better numbers in every category besides shooting percentage. He’s playing less minutes but still more productive offensively and defensively. Also not one franchise would take Chet over victor. Nobody would even consider it
Most franchises don’t retire your jersey unless you win a championship and/or played at an elite level for more than eight years for that franchise. Rondo won a chip with Boston; Derrick White wears number 9 today. Ray Allen took Milwaukee to the Eastern Conference Finals just like Melo did for Denver; some guy named Giannis wears 34 for the Bucks. PJ Dozier wore number 35 for OKC after KD left, so KD has more of a gripe. Teams don’t retire that many jersey numbers. Melo doesn’t have the most compelling case for a player who hasn’t yet received that honor.
Nice. Honestly, I feel like the Spurs and Pop have been approaching the entire team's development and long-term goals pretty wisely. I'm likely off, but it seems like while every casual was claiming that the team is either tanking or completely mad, the Spurs just did the kinda thing they and the Heat tend to do-treat the regular season as development for everyone, no real regard for stats and awards. Or the Spurs franchise is suddenly completely inept. But idk, I think some coaches have the power and leeway to do what's necessary in the face of constant criticism and the cultural imperative to strive for immediate results, all else be damned. Pop is definitely one of those coaches.
They are tanking bro it ain't that hard to figure out. When you tank you also want to spend that time developing your young players it's called hitting 2 birds with one stone.
You hit the nail on the head completely. Everything their doing this season has been for the benefit of the team, this team specifically did not trade or pick up any PGs for a reason, they did the Sochan experiment for a reason, it's that all these things are to maximize the potential of all the players they have on the roster while simultaniously keeping all assets for a later time. Wether the team was good or bad was not their concern, but to add icing to the cake beign bad and adding more top end talend to pair with Wemby doesn't hurt either. The spurs are a top 3 or 5 organization in the leauge, nobody realizes this because they've always been lowkey but they are.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 How did that hinder Wemby? Playing on the perimeter is his weakness now is his time to improve it. Mins restriction Bruh he averages 2 less mins than Chet that's not a big deal.
Emil, thank you for the laugh of the day. Putting players, especially young ones (he's a ROOKIE) in uncomfortable positions on the court will only make them grow faster. That's how growth happens. And you frivolously claim the Spurs put him on minutes restriction protocol for no reason? They literally announced they were going to do so after he rolled his ankle in warmups in Dallas. The Spurs med staff said then, and has reiterated every game since then, that it is team protocol to lessen minutes when a player endures a playable injury. It's not like they're in the playoff hunt or need him to play 40 per night. All of this probably seems foreign to you, though, since you clearly have a minimal understanding of NBA basketball and almost certainly don't watch this team.@@emilfrederiksen.1622
Wemby is definitively an all star right now. His stats, when extrapolated out to full playing time, are on par with Giannis. That's insane for a rookie to come in playing at MVP caliber right out of the gate like that, even for the greatest player of all time. People are significantly underestimating how well he's playing because of the minutes restriction he's on.
@ducat7493 Yep that's right. Being surrounded by young and inefficient shooters will bring down his efficiently compared to what it would be if he was on a better team, too. Chet, the 2nd in the running for ROTY, is surrounded by efficient shooters and so he gers a boost to his efficiency. People then point to his team winning more as though that makes him better, etc. Overall, the stats indicate Wemby is even better than people are realizing.
Bol Bol is never gonna produce on a constant basis. Never! People might be looking for all the excuses they wish to be true (don't get enough playing time and shit like this), the reality is he already shown to everyone he simply not that good.
It took six years for Jokic to ramp up to his superstar, offensive machine status. The idea that the organization knew they were going to be in a situation where they had to choose between forcing their all-time great to switch numbers or snub one of their most iconic players is ridiculous. Also, Melo forced his way out of the franchise and couldn't stand George Karl.
If you check the efficiency (per minute playing) he is second IN THE LEAGUE behind joel Embiid for points end first for fantasy points 11 last games... so sooner is NOW
I really hope they don't try to give the ROY out to someone because of winning %. It has never been that way, and it is just punishing higher picks that end up with bad teams. Not saying the efficiencies don't matter but that is also just related to playing on a better team. Which is just stuff you can't control.
Chet not only has the better win % he also has the better efficiency. Wemby is playing Ona historically bad NBA team with only 7 wins and his efficiency is bad as he only in consideration cuz of hype.
@@machoboys8884only one that I’ve seen in recent years that wins have mattered was when Scottie Barnes won. Vic should absolutely be the frontrunner for ROY
One thing on the Jokic number thing. From what I understand, in European ball, they give out numbers similar to how we did in the NFL until recently. The tallest player wears 15 from what I've heard, so Jokic was probably used to that number and they just let him keep it.
Most jersey sets for youth teams go from 4 to 15, and yes, the higher numbers tend to be larger sizes. So it's likely Jokic has used the 15 as a kid due to probably being massive compared to the other kids, and, when reaching a level of play where he could pick his number, in true Jokic fashion, said "I was wearing 15 before, so why change?"
If you had an all-star on your roster, and they leave, why not just save that number til they retire and then you can decide weather to retire the number or not.
if Wemby loses ROTY because of the whole “well his team is bad and efficiency” argument. Do you think that would radically change future roty considerations since that would now be a qualifier?
How would that change future consideration when Scottie Barnes won ROY due to his team winning more and him being efficient? Wemby team has 7 total wins lol wtf. He puts up big nos due to high usage rate his efficiency sucks ass give Chet those attempts he'd also put up inflated nos on bad efficiency and OKc probably lose a lot more games.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 And Chet is the best rookie he is scoring 64%TS and doing the most with less. Wemby put up better stats just cuz he has more attempts this isn't rocket science. Also Wemby played less games than Chet so injury is your argument Chet should win.
Yeah, him and Collins seemed to be the only ones who noticed there was a tall French player in their team, and with Collins in the bench it seems he'll have to rely on Tre for awhile.
I'd say that we can't be inferring such bold things about Pop's reasoning with that situation, as if we're working with complete information - because we're not. We have very little concrete idea about what his decision making process was and what his intentions/priorities were. Given his track record, I doubt it was some kind of oversight on his part that he was too slow or clueless to figure out. I'm willing to bet that he - of all people - knows a bit more about how to meaningfully develop a team and its players than us fans casually observing on the outside do.
Gotta correct ya on the KD thunder part, many players have worn 35 for the thunder since. Granted they're nobodies (minus keinrich williams maybe) but still: what melo did for denver was huge and mostly i just saw it as petty to give the number away so fast. glad it went to jokic tho
I understand your melo point. But for a player to come in and make your team a playoff team in his first few years consistently should be enough to be a retired number .
Victor has surpassed Chet in player efficiency rating. Chet’s currently at 20.5, wemby is at 21.5. Both of these are ridiculously high for rookies, I think Lebron was at 18 or 19 PER his rookie year. They are already better than 85% to 90% of the players in the league. Wemby could be something we’ve never seen before.
Poor Gallinari he must be a wreck, finally made it to his childhood franchise in the Celtics but never suited up to play and had to watch from the bench as they got to the ECF due to injury, finally gets healthy and is excited to finally accomplish his dream but gets traded to the post Beal Wizards out of nowhere 💀 After a nightmare start in their rebuild they tell him he's getting traded, he probably got so excited like fuck, it cant get worse than here, then they say "...to the Pistons" 💀💀💀💀💀😭😭😭😭😭
Wemby should just focus on attacking the basket. It would be fantastic if he developed a decent to good three point shot but he's 7'4, the man should be posterizing everyone on the court
Chet was the leader early in the season but Wemby was always very close behind, now with the surge that Wemby's been on the past month he is squarely back as the front runner for ROTY, its close but Wemby did take the spot back. If he will continue to play the way he's playing he'll run away with it, but it's yet to be seen. This is supported by the ROTY ladder as Wemby has regained the lead, and with the minute's restriction beign lifted I don't see Wemby slowing down.
I think that's just bias for Wemby NBA is desperate to crown their next star. Wemby shouldn't win ROY his team is so bad with just 7 wins and his efficiency is bad as well 29% from 3 and only 55% TS lol wtf. Chet is playing on a good team but he is the 2nd best reason his team is good.
@@roslolian11 ROTY is not based on team success and it never has been, it's about counting stats and how the individual player has performed throughout the season. When you start to talk about oh so and so impacts this or that, you just start spinning narratives that don't help anyone. Wemby's counting numbers have been great this season and his efficiency is trending upwards, while Chet's scorching shooting is starting to come back down to earth a bit. As for what the leauge wants I can't say, but ROTY has and probably will be decided based on individual body of work and nothing else, as it should.
@@DaintyBroom2233 How is Chet shooting coming down when he is averaging 64%TS? Wemby shooting 29% from 3 and chucking shots like WB stands for Westbrook. Also Scottie Barnes won ROY over both Cade, Green and Mobley so you are straight up wrong.
@@roslolian11 People act like Chet is so much more efficeint now than Wemby when he isn't, he isn't a 50/40/90 guy anymore and the trend is continuing downward, while Wemby is going in the opposite direction. While the Scottie thing is just stupid, he was the best all around rookie that year posting the best numbers, not to mention Cade was injured for a large amount of time and Mobley didn't have very good counting stats, he was amazing on defense sure but Scottie was no scrub on that end either.
Who would have thought that playing Tre Jones at the 1 would be better for Victor and the Spurs ? Im glad hes getting to show improvement thanks to this change. I also think that Sochan and Victor could make for a very interesting defensive duo
If you switched Chet for Wemby how good would OKC be? Better or worse? - To me, this is why Wemby is the ROTY. (I Heard this question elsewhere and this no longer was a debate)
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 Destroy the glass Bruh Wemby gets like 3 more rebs than Chet, that's due to all the bricks his team puts up cuz they can't shoot straight including Wemby. Wemby is a better defender than Chet but Chet is a 3 pt sniper while Wemby is a bricklayer from 3 so Chet is better cuz he is good at both defense and shooting. Wemby is better at defense but he is a bricklayer from 3 so overall he is worse than Chet. On OKc Wemby would be used as a role player he would just defend and rebound and score 12 pts on dunks and layups they won't allow those mid range and 3s he takes cuz he bricks them.
@@roslolian11 How so? Chet plays more than Victor and has more potential rebounds (Okc opponents: 44.7% FG, SAS: 48.5%) but grabs fewer and also Wembanyama is leader in the league in blocks pg. Only 28% of the team's rebounds are Chet's, Victor stat is 38% and again that's playing fewer minutes.
And there is no debate with number 15 one player one two MVPs and a championship and has an extra season with them while being a second round pick never being expected to turn out the way he has. And the other guy left the team and as weird as it is for me to say I feel like Gilbert had a good take "he is a jersey in the Knicks rafters not in Denver" because he did more with the them.
Why not make the thing from number 15 in Denver? Like 15 can wear only best player in Denver, it can be like special number and would be great honor to wear it and should be well deserved.
If Wemby was asked to do less on offense, I legitimately believe he would already be a top 20 player. He's the best lob threat and one of the best rim protectors in the league, makes free throws, runs the floor extremely well. But because he's taking inefficient shots pretty often you cant put him there yet.
Not how it works he played 0 NBA games prior to this season. This convo is getting so old. Same shit was said with Blake Griffin and Ben Simmons, but in reality they deserved that award
"Finally figuring it out" emphasis on the word FINALLY here, hes in the first half of his rookie season still he hasnt figured anything out for certain yet
I believe Coach Popovich should reconsider his strategy with Wemby. Holding him back to less than 35 minutes a game might be overly cautious. Wemby is a top-tier talent who needs substantial court time for his NBA development. Look at LeBron’s nearly 40 minutes per game in his rookie season - it’s not unreasonable to expect similar from Wemby. By limiting his minutes, we’re not just stunting his growth but also not leveraging our team’s full potential. Wemby needs the challenge of extended play to truly excel. Now’s the time to fully tap into his remarkable skills. Let Wemby play!!!!!!!
Honestly, it looks like Pop is seriously worried about injury potential, and for real health reasons too. Also, if he gets wrecked this year or next, that’s all that this generation of Fans will remember about Coach Pop. (just like Boston’s last championship coach is remembered)
I think someone wore KDs number in OKC and I'm pretty sure Udonis Haslem was talking about how he didn't like Bill Russell number 6 in Miami rafters. Does that mean Lebron doesn't get his no retired in Miami idk
IMO Melo actually did a lot for the nuggets. Before he got there they were consistently one of the worst teams in the league for the greater part of a decade, but the moment he got there he lead them to the playoffs. Melo’s time in Denver was the most competitive period in that franchise’s history up to that point.
The kid is playing on a shit team + minute restrictions + popovich doesn't want to use him . With all that he's still leading all rookies in pts reb asts and blocs
Since instering Tre Jones in the first lineup, Wemby plays better. Pop has no choice but adjust to the obvious, because Chet already got the rookie of the month of Oct/Nov and Dec.
Despite playing fewer minutes most assisted shots come from Tre Jones, a mediocre PG. Just imagine what he could do with someone of Trae Young's caliber.
I think the Spurs not starting Tre since earlier this season was because they want to develop other players playmaking skills such as with Sochan and Branham. Sochan is a PF, but imagine him being to playmake as well, that would be a great asset to the team in the future. Same with Branham, him improving his playmaking skills is going to benefit the team in the future. If there’s anytime to experiment with the line-up and player positions, it is now since they aren’t contending anyway. Use this season to tank to get more high draft picks while also developing your generational talent player and the other players as well.
With the Heat not letting anyone wear the number 6 its kinda not relevant anymore because didn't the league retire the number 6 for every team due to Bill Russell or am I incorrect
Jokic is the second best player in the nba Gianni’s is better he just hasn’t had a solid system this is the first time Gianni’s has had a real number two and even in this situation they bucks have zero defense except Gianni’s and old brook
Steal away ROTY from Chet? Chet's the one stealing ROTY from Wemby with the help of his teammates. imo. It's like Melo almost stole Lebron's ROTY because of his Team's performances or Donvan Mitchell and Ben Simmon's situations. IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL AWARD (i.e., who has a better stats and a better game individually) and Wemby is by far better in every corner except his effeciency on FG% and 3pts% only (which he took less shot with lesser mpg) & Victor's FT% is better and Chet has more open shots with less FGA where Wemby crates his own lane to make his FG. One of the biggest takeaway from Wemby compared to Chet is that he's actually going against the superstars and elite Big men and still putting up these stats is Craaazy.. But it's still too early to say who's gonna be better to win the ROTY, . But I root for OKC more than Spurs in overall NBA game this season. I still believe Chet could reach his peak faster with much potential than Wemby because he can learn a real men games from his teammates and be great faster than Wemby and that's a bad sign for Wemby. But, as far as who's better on both end of the floor and contribute more, my Vote is for Wemby.
More like they aren't being stupid and running Jeremy at the point. He is playing better though but it is funny that opposing players have been saying as well pretty famously recently Trae young talking about the fact that they don't pass to him 😂
@@roslolian11 Victor should be getting the ball like Karl Malone, in which case 80% of his FGM was the result of a John Stockton (or somebody else in the Jazz team, because well when you have one of the most efficient finishers you use it) assist, but in case of Wembanyama it's 68%, even lower than at the beginning of the season, how do you explain that?
@@Ometecuhtli I explain it by Wembanyama doing ISOs and dribbling a lot when someone passes him the ball. How can you explain his high amount of shots if his teammates don't give him the ball? He takes a lot of attempts his usage is 30% of the entire team lol.
