Those who believe in the afterlife would know they were about to crossover into another dimension. I guess that would either comfort those people more or cause even more terror depending on how they lived their lives.
From Egypt, Our thoughts are with the Brazilian people as they mourn the victims of a tragic plane crash. We send our deepest condolences to the families of the victims. 🇪🇬 🇧🇷
Horrible to see. I dare not imagine the last seconds of life of these poor people who saw death coming without being able to do anything about it. May they rest in peace.
@@captng I mainly listen to the news on television, but listening to the news on mobile made me realize there is no background music. I’m Pakistani and the news channels there always have music in the background.
@@SergeyTaboritsky69 I know I have seen that. For example they'll show a person with loss and play sad music in the background. Talk about classless media.
Some information about this terrible tragedy. Firstly, I want to say that all of us Brazilians are devastated. Such is the pain, as it had been years since a plane crash had happened in Brazil. Today is Father's Day Sunday here. 08/11/2024 On this flight, it is worth mentioning that 61 lives were lost. And that includes around 21 doctors who were traveling to São Paulo to give a lecture, people who spent their lives saving lives, lost it on this flight. In addition to a father, who was traveling with his 4-year-old daughter, to celebrate Father's Day with her, he had picked her up especially to spend today with her, and I can't imagine the pain of this mother who lost a daughter , and the father of her daughter. I can't imagine the father's despair in those last seconds. There was also a Venezuelan couple on this flight. They had adopted a dog here in Brazil called Luna, everyone had helped so that the dog Luna could board with the couple, as they had fallen in love with her. The dog was found near the couple. In addition to daughters, mothers, grandmothers, many family members, on this plane was someone's love, someone's life that was gone in seconds. I couldn't bear such pain. All we Brazilians want is respect and prayers, as we are a people of faith, a united people, and sensitive to each other's pain. I'm very proud of my country. When one goes off course, everyone feels
Todos nós estamos consternados com essa tragédia! Que apareça o real motivo que provocou essa queda, e se foi por negligência que haja a devida punição aos responsáveis! Lembrando que a família de Venezuelanos além do cachorrinha também estavam com uma criança, o garotinho tinha uns 4 anos, morreram juntos! Há vídeo dele e da outra garotinha que faleceu na queda brincando juntos no aeroporto! 😭
I'm from Brazil. This airline, VoePass (which used to be Passaredo) is not an unknown airline. They've been operating for almost 30 years and this is the first in their history (counting the time they were Passaredo). It's a regional airline (if I'm not mistaken, it's the only regional airline that operates out of São Paulo airports). So yes, it's a serious airline. This is the first accident involving an ATR airplane in Brazil and the first commercial airplane accident in 17 years since the accident involving the A320 of TAM Flight 3054 (which is now LATAM, which even has codeshare with VoePass), an accident that happened on 07/17/2007.
@@jeanrivillas8463that happened in Bolivia or somewhere in that area. The passengers were mostly Brazilians though Edit: nvm it was actually in Colombia
No control. Absolute zero . You're just falling to your death. That feeling, I cannot fathom. I will never fly. That plane, literally, dropped out of the sky.
22 year pilot here. That is from complete loss of lift in which the aircraft is no longer capable of flight. This is not induced by engine failure. Highly likely severe icing
Flat spin has to be one of the scariest ways to crash in a plane. It’s literal free fall with your stomach in your throat. Those poor people lived a nightmare until the end feel so bad for them.
Many ages ago, we lost an F4 pilot and radar men due to a flat spin. It was at low altitude, and just barely on radar. Made a hellva crater. And the crew, they didn't make it. And it was the squadron's best flying aircraft with the least amount of problems. As for the crew, the G-forces were so high, the accident investigators suspected the crew was instantly pinned to their seats and couldn't do anyhting.
Yes...we CAN recover from flat spin....providing you have enough space and time..!!...As seen..No hope of recovery..!!...Hopefully Black Box will detail this awful disaster..!!!
Wow. Seeing a medium sized plane like that in a completely flat stall is...strange doesn't even do it justice. Even with complete engine failure the expectation is that the plane would still have some amount of forward glide during decent, but that plane was just going straight down. That's not just a "something went wrong" kind of incident, that's a "multiple VERY bad somethings had to have gone wrong all together" type of incident.
@@jeremycovelli it looks like the plane had problems for awhile. the speedometer for it was running crazy the entire flight, and past flights too. there's certainly multiple reasons as to why this happened
I like how she says "It appears to show a fire truck and an ambulance responding" as what every person on Earth knows is a fire truck and an ambulance drive by.
@@user-gf3wn1ne9n Wouldn't even a blind person know there will be firetrucks and rescue peope there without anyone reminding you that there are fire trucks and rescue on the way
Well I mean idk why you would need to make up some extremely complicated answer as to why it “fell out of the sky”. He got straight to the point. It “lost aerodynamics and was no longer flying” and started to spin and it crashed simple. 💀
The answer is likely icing resulting in loss of lift and a stall. It was flying through clouds at what would likely be icing conditions: ~60 degrees F at the ground, likely below freezing at the altitude the plane was at, being that far from its destination.
@sunnyjim1355 - Yeah, it's gotta be. I wonder how they got themselves into that mess. I've never actually seen a bigger passenger aircraft just dropping like that. It was pretty wild looking.
And all of my 56 years I have never seen an airplane crash like that. I used to work for an airline. I’ve seen a lot of things. This is not one of them.
@radiohead2206 So, the plane doesn't glide like paper airplane? We're not talking helicopter here... because that is how majority of helicopter crash are... I'm looking from an uneducated stand point here.
@@DieselRamcharger There was a SIGMET for severe icing over the whole region. If you don't know what a SIGMET is, you have no business in this conversation. 🙄
the video of the plane spinning uncontrollably before hitting the ground is extremely heartbreaking, I extend my heartfelt condolences to the families and friends of the victims, it's a sad day for humanity and aviation
I just saw the new information about the accident on TV, all the bodies were charred to the point that they could not be identified by fingerprints, some victims had already been identified and what saddened me most was a father and a 3-year-old daughter who was traveled with him to celebrate Father's Day
Sending tons of love, light, healing, prayers, best wishes and blessings to their familes. The victims are all in a much better place now. At peace, safe, joyful, healthy, young and loved unconditionally with their angels
The aircraft stalled for some reason and was in a nearly flat spin. With no aerodynamic lift, it literally became a brick. That type of thing is all but impossible for a pilot to recover from. The question is why it happened--all but unheard of with a trained and experienced flight crew, unless there was a critical mechanical issue of some sort.
It's a "T-Tail", one that clearly entered a "deep stall", from which it is almost impossible to recover. I'm going to presume it was another example of an ill-advised turn at some point in the approach. Straigh-on, approach to landing stalls have become rare.
It is possible to recover from such a situation, (counter the spin with the rudder, while turning the nose down until the plane goes into a dive - then once there's enought airflow over the wings again to produce lift, then it can pull out of the dive) but of course you need enough altitude to be able to perform that maneuver.... which it clearly didn't have anyway. RIP
I dont trust the planes bro to me airports are closer to jim jones camps because you papers please theres only 6 vending machines for everyone and then you give up your 4th amendment as well they will frisk a child they will send you through scanners they search your bags and at the end of the day the boeing still falls outta the sky man 😂😂😂
I can't understand this one. Looks eerily similar to the Air France crash where the pilots didn't know if they were going too fast or falling. Planes just don't fall out of the sky like this with absolutely no forward momentum. Crazy investigation results in the future I hope.
It can happen with faulty altimeter. They think they are going straight but are actually climbing. Eventually they stall out and the result looks more or less exactly like this.
Yes they do, all the time. It's called a flat spin and results from not being able to recover from a stall at altitude. There was a SIGMET for severe icing over the entire area at the time, and ATR's handle terrible in icing conditions. Icing leads to stall leads to flat spin, rip.
In Airfrance 447 the PF kept pulling back the sidestick despite the stall warning going off throughout most of the crisis time. He kinda made the plane fall like a rock, belly-first. If you are not a rocket, there's no full power engine that will keep you flying if you don't have wings to provide lift (AF447 was kept for a long time in a steep angle of attack and lost its lift, a complete mess and loss of all situational awareness)
@@jeremycovelli Yeah years ago I watched the May Day Disasters show on the ATR that crashed in Indiana, issues with the de-icing system. Like the guy said they made improvements but maybe didn't totally fix the issue.
Apparently, there were reports of heavy icing in the area. What you're looking at is a spin from a deep stall. The pilot almost even manages to recover from it, but the plane just stalls again. This is a symptom of heavy icing on the wings, since once its shape has been altered too much by ice, its stall characteristics change drastically.
That's a flat spin. Flat spins are usually unrecoverable without deploying an emergency parachute (if so equipped and there is enough altitude). Once in a flat spin, the plane free-falls to the ground.
That was not a "descent", that was a stall that turned into a flat spin. And depending upon the aircraft, can be something that even test pilots can't recover from.
@@fep_ptcp883It's not just that. Many aircraft cannot be recovered after a spin stabilizes. Depends on the aircraft certification, center of gravity , etc.
My heart, prayers and condolences go out to all the victims, their families and the people of Brazil as a whole. I’m so sorry for your loss, sending much love from 🇺🇸. ❤🙏💐
Correction, if your a Christian you know that your going to be resting in Jesus in your grave until the resurrection, since the dead dont go to heaven at the moment of death ! at the second coming of Jesus the dead in christ will be resurrected and then taken to heaven with those who didnt die. John 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out-those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. @burtcooper612
@@Walton-zf1zx Actually, there`s nothing to correct. Besides, The Apostle Paul, thru The Holy Spirit, made it perfectly clear when he said, "absent from the body, present with the Lord".
I watched an old RU-vid documentary on the same plane, unfortunately icing was the usual cause but we don't know as yet. God bless them all, your worst nightmare.
"According to aviation experts around the world who watched the videos showing the 89-foot plane spinning slowly as it plummeted before crashing almost directly on its belly the question of what had happened was simple to answer: The plane had stalled. In other words the plane’s wings had lost the lift needed to keep the aircraft aloft causing it to stop flying and start falling. “You can’t get into a spin without stalling,” said an airline pilot for 25 years who now aids plane crash investigations. “It’s A plus B equals C.”
My dad is a former Airline captain (flew the a320/330 for 20 years, is flying private jets now) and when he saw the news on TV just 15 minutes after the crash he sent in our family group in Whatsapp "It was icing, 100%.", just by the way the plane fell. The ATR is very infamous for his icing problems
So they're infamous for this but still allowed to fly. Why? The FAA parked the 737 Max for two years, allowing this craft to fly on US soil. They are a bunch of hypocrites
From the crash investigation from american eagle flight 4184: The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable causes of this accident were the loss of control, attributed to a sudden and unexpected aileron hinge moment reversal that occurred after a ridge of ice accreted beyond the deice boots because: 1) ATR failed to completely disclose to operators, and incorporate in the ATR 72 airplane flight manual, flightcrew operating manual and flightcrew training programs, adequate information concerning previously known effects of freezing precipitation on the stability and control characteristics, autopilot and related operational procedures when the ATR 72 was operated in such conditions; 2) the French Directorate General for Civil Aviation's (DGAC's) inadequate oversight of the ATR 42 and 72, and its failure to take the necessary corrective action to ensure continued airworthiness in icing conditions; and 3) the DGAC's failure to provide the FAA with timely airworthiness information developed from previous ATR incidents and accidents in icing conditions, as specified under the Bilateral Airworthiness Agreement and Annex 8 of the International Civil Aviation Organization.
You won't lose all lift from icing just some of it ask your dad why didn't he recover from the stall no something else went wrong a bird something else
@@janreldelacruz1674 cold humidity causes ice build up on the wings making it alot heavier and less aerodynamic less lift so the stall speed increased to probably 140 then it starts dropping like you saw so he throttle up opposite rudder stick down but something else was wrong or would have recovered
On that plane there was a 5-year-old girl who was traveling with her father to spend Father's Day together (last Sunday was Father's Day here in Brazil), when the firefighters went to collect the bodies, the two were hugging each other. There was also a Venezuelan child who was with a puppy, all of them were found charred (including the dog itself), all the passengers were found charred. This accident was very tragic and much heavier than you guys imagine and the families are devastated, there were many people whose dreams were interrupted and they lost their lives. At this moment there is not much to ask questions or question because unfortunately we do not have all the answers, just pray for the families, friends and loved ones of the victims, Please pray for the families! 🙏 I wish everyone reading this a great day/night and good health always!
It just dropped out of the air & hit the ground, so sad, I for the victims families, may they rest in peace & please GOD surround the families with your peace, grace, mercy & love❤
@@Sillyrefrigerator really childish for a subject like this. And easy to just sit around and type. I’ve lived through an air incident where most of us wound up with PTSD and still fly. And so the family doesn’t like most of these stories especially the ones caught on camera. But today we just make up names like it’s 5th grade. I’m afraid I know who your role model is.
So very tragic. My heart reaches out to the families of the victims. R. I. P. Can imagine the terrible moments experienced by the residents in the area when the plane crashed. May you find the strength to rebuild your lives. God have mercy!
The plane was in a flat spin and too slow to recover from the spin. The recover spin procedure is to nose down to recover air speed and use opposite rudder to get the air flow over both wings to get even lift on both wings.
@@Lighttningbolt I asked ChatGPT "Do aircraft black boxes record physical _outputs_ such as deflections on control surfaces?" It answered in a way I would have guessed "Modern FDRs often do but depends on the aircraft"
I'm from Brazil, a pilot who was on that same plane (before this trip) had sent a photo to the control tower showing a huge amount of ice on the side window of the cabin, and asked them to tell the pilot who was going to use that plane after him, maybe that could have changed everything... so this second pilot who died, had asked the tower a few minutes before if he could fly at a lower altitude (because at that altitude more ice was forming than they expected...) but they denied the request, so probably no one told him what his colleague before him had asked, maybe if they had warned him and shown him the photo, he could have already thought about what could be done before and maybe even canceled the trip or something... I'm very sad, the trip would only be 1 hour and 45 minutes more or less... so fast 😭😭😭
I am not an internet aviation expert here. But being in the industry for over a decade, the only thing that can cause that is a loss of speed and the wings did not have enough lift. It caused the plane to stall and go into a flat spin. What caused that will be found in the investigation.
When someone says stall the average person thinks the engine has stopped . A stall is when a wing loses lift caused by too low speed or wings angle of attack . The wihg stalls stops producing lift resulting in a spin .
The wing stops producing lift, resulting in a STALL. It only becomes a SPIN if it's stalled AND a rotational force is present, and the pilot allows the situation to continue. If the pilot properly manages rudder during the stall, he can prevent the spin, or, even better, breaks the stall by reducing the wing's angle of attack while maintaining proper rudder control. Of course, all of that still doesn't tell us how the pilot managed to stall and spin a transport category aircraft.
@@Tom-ok2rhFormer flight instructor here. Yes, all planes glide, even if all the engines fail. You simply have to lower the nose of the aircraft so that gravity will power it forward, allowing the wings to continue producing lift. Because you are descending you must, of course, find a place to land. In this case, for some reason, the plane entered a stall (which is loss of lift over the wings, not an engine event), and, during the stall, there was a rotational force present, which resulted in a spin. Now, some aircraft are approved for intentional spins, and can be recovered from them even after multiple rotations in a stabilized spin. However, many aircraft, such as airliners, can only be recovered if the spin is caught immediately, in its incipient stage. For some aircraft, once a spin goes past one turn or so, it becomes impossible to recover. The question here is how the pilots allowed the aircraft to stall and spin, and whether or not there were factors beyond their control.
And my irrational fear of flying now feels less irrational 😳 Heartbreaking. I am saddened for the lives lost and for the families and friends of the passengers. What a horrible tragedy 🥺
Statistics tells us that being in a car is more dangerous than flying..but what statistics fails to realize is that you can survive a car accident but you have a 95% probability of dying in the case of a plane crashing.
@@deathvalleydemon41 exactly it may be more car crashes but there a good chance of surviving that.. now it’s a very very slim chance to survive a plane crash.
@@vusky5081 that doesn’t make sense .. your more likely to die in a plane crash than car crash .. there a better chance in surviving car crash than it is plane crash
To induce flat spin - normal spin - add power, rudder to yaw direction - aileron opposite yaw. To un-induce (Pare) - Power idle - Ailerons neutral - Rudder opposite yaw direction - Elevator forward. (Please be safe with more air time)
This is a flat spin. It is the result of a full stall. I can think of 3 options: 1. A catastrophic loss of elevator control. 2. The props were feathered in flight. 3. Intentional sabotage.
I disagree with your "expert" about the ATR 72 (72 = passenger capacity) - it has a rather dismal safety record since it's introduction in 1989. In fact it's been previously involved in a total of 66 accidents or "incidences", including 40 hull losses, resulting in 470 fatalities!!
