Vietnam War veteran Will Crain talks about his experiences. Crain served in the U.S. Army from 1967 to 1969. He got his draft notice just shortly before he got married. He received a Purple Heart as part of his service.
I'm addicted to these interviews now. What a range of experiences. I like this guy, very unlike some of the other interviews but he is so sharp and a bit cynical about the whole thing. Thank you for preserving all of their voices. Glad they came back to tell the tale.
I was a former Marine and combat Vietnam Vet with HMM-163 helicopter squadron 66-67. I would agree with most of his comments, except for the one about Jane Fonda. She was given secret notes from POW's in Honoi and then turned them over to the guards, who beat them again without mercy. She is still a traitor to me and most of my fellow Vets.
My Dad and my Father in Law both hate Jane Fonda’s guts to this day. What she did was inexcusable. Our guys turned to her for the simplest of requests. Tell our people that we are still alive. She betrayed them in a heartless display of her hatred for US servicemen. What she did was inhuman, regardless of her political opinions. Those were prisoners of war ffs.
The long-standing claim that Jane Fonda turned smuggled messages from U.S. POWs over to their North Vietnamese captors is FALSE. Maybe research your claims. Read the Snopes article. Jane Fonda opposed bombing non-military targets along with most Americans.
I've listened to many of these stories from those who served. Every one of them are compelling, edge of your seat type stuff. Almost any given one of the experiences these men had could be a major Hollywood movie. I very grateful for the effort made to preserve these stories. Thank you.
Forget Hollywood. Some of these documentaries are incredibly fascinating and humbling. The chopper pilots , of all , are awe inspiring, deeply committed to serving and saving their fellow troops and phenomenally skilled, fearless, and no bs.
He didn't ask to go but he went, he's honest about what he did and didn't like and with his observations. As I watch this series, I see everybody's experience and how they saw the war was different. So many of these kids came back home damaged, unthanked, and the only attention they got was so negative they kept it inside for years. Calling out this man as a "libtard" and "nutcase" is not only wrong it's unforgivable. A man who took part in and fought in an awful war is sharing his experience with you, that takes guts, shame on the people posting negative comments
I don’t think the only attention was negative, the country was split about the war. I would have liked to see an epilogue on how these veterans lead successful lives after their Vietnam experience (which appear to be the case).
I’m not going to step into any debate on this vet’s perspective, because I also served from August, 1962 to February, 1970. East Berlin’s predicament was our focus as right out of high school that was the world’s focus and nuclear war. But I got sent from Oregon after 6 1/2 years to Panama because they had drained the west coast of men and equipment for some place called Vietnam. Our mission was protecting the west coast from nuclear attack. What the heck was Vietnam? So for the next three years I was in the place where all things now needed to function in a jungle environment were tested and hopefully improved. But, we found out all the lies going on by those who got us into a war, but then micromanaged it to death, or 58,000 + deaths just on our side. That’s the real cost of war. So I terminated the chance of a decent career, I was an Air Force aircraft radio tech, and got out. I ended up in the S.F Bay Area where as a young husband with a wife and two kids, I buried my status as a vet for safety’s sake. Too bad it had to be that way. But nothing ever changes when selfish people on both sides of especially a politically charged issue go nuts, and they did. Because of all the drugs and that nutty culture I got my family out of there after three years and moved to the San Joaquin valley where I had grown up and went in the military in the first place. I began a new career in construction and in that process became acquainted with the Hmong and Laotian people who lost their country because of our government’s betrayal of them. Sound familiar? So, some twenty or so years ago I wrote this poem as I was trying to come to grips as to how to relate to these people who in just one generation would be new citizens of our nation. I did OK, but I have never been able to completely square with all the absolute treason of our leaders during that time, both civilian and military. And of course, us government issue pieces of property continue to take it in the shorts. Remembering I viewed all the scenes that flashed on the screen, I knew it all happened But what did it mean? Sitting in silence And watching them die, I left that dark place, And started to cry. With guilt running deep And pain stinging strong, How could our great nation Have gone so damn wrong. They sent in our young, To act out their will, To step into hell, And learn how to kill. Then those who returned, And needed a hand, Saw only the backs, Of a now callous land. And what about those Whose land that was lost? Our promises broken What a terrible cost. Do we offer our help, Do we even try? I feel such a shame, When we meet eye to eye. We’ve buried our guilt, And covered our sin, And swear by our God, That next time we’ll win. So now there’s more people That are turning out red, They’re not just like us, So they’re better off dead. The rhetoric has Such a sickening ring, From history of battles, They learned not a thing. For they’re asking us now, To do it again, To spend still more money, And send in our men. It’s madness all over And when will it end? Maybe when we’re all gone, And there’s no one to send. Tom Ockey
I love Vietnam vets. I don't care about politics or the Government. I love the men who went and fought men who were fighting us. The last time I checked North Vietnam was invading South Vietnam. Almost all the fighting was in South Vietnam by an invading force. That's an honorable Fight to wage for all the men who were there. If the North stayed in the North then there wouldn't have been much fighting. The people at home in Vietnam quit that war, not our troops. I was engaged with Chinese 107mm rockets, ammo and Aks in Afghaniatan and we never got to fight the Chinese. And now the Chinese are minining in Afghanistan and making trillions doing it. Google it. But nooones seeing Biden pulling out for China to mine there as an issue or the reason. But it is a fact
This is a truly honest perspective on this man's experience as a soldier in Vietnam. I truly honor this man stating he didn't agree with the war, didn't agree with killing, but he went and did his duty. I mean, that's all you can really ask for in a drafted soldier.
@Common Sense Realist you literally said come "listen to us"and proceed to tell us to take stories with a grain of salt, the man gave a 2 hour talks and your calling it bullshit and inviting us to your convos, which I will defiantly check out btw
@Common Sense Realist tbh this is the first Vietnam story I've seen from this channel. I've been watching a lot of war footage and thought maybe some stories from vets would be interesting like I said this is my first so, I'm not even going to debate what I don't know I'll just do my research
You can never judge a book by it's cover. The first video I watched I wasn't sure if they were gonna be interesting. I haven't watched one of these that wasn't in fact very interesting. What a great page, TY
@@marcconner8382 Colt Firearms for one, made gazillions on shit m-16 weapons that jammed and killed a lot of guys. Robert McNamara (Ford corporate) admitted that the government made a mistake in Vietnam but hadcto save face. 58,300 US dead.
@@steveparker5406 so who should mfg the weapons ? Govt ? The cause of our involvement was righteous, but when you allow politicans dictate the war it becomes a political war which involves govt contracts.. there in lies the problem. I have no problem with the corporations making money but it all gets turned around politicans return favors. So what do we do? End the war. Vietnam could have been over in 1 to 2 years if we would have been allowed to destroy strategic targets in n vietnam. The supply of soldiers and supplies could have been cut off. The nva and vc recieved support from china. Politicans were afraid to upset china. When we decide to unleash the might of our military we can solve disputes quickly and that saves american lives.
I was in the Marines and agree with everything he said about war and who makes it... and both Republicans and Democrats are in on it.. BTW I am not a Lefty...
There are so many things that we can agree on but we’ve been programmed to not agree on anything. No conservative can agree with Biden and no lefty can agree with anything Trump agreed with. I’ve never seen anything like it and don’t see anyway out of it
@@joesmith3501 What exactly was there to agree with trump and his ilk? Other than make America great again? Well no shit thats what alot of people if not most on both sides want, but that jackass was just about himself and his cult of personality. No way in hell hes the "patriot" he makes himself out to be. Biden is another fool but at least he doesn't have delusions of granduer.
The U.S. government's killing of students at Kent State affected me the same way it affected him. I had been back from Vietnam for just over three years by the Spring of 1970. I then also got active in the anti-war movement. April 24, 1971 I was in the midst of 500,000 marching out of the financial district of San Francisco chanting "One, two, three, four-we don't want your fxxxing war!" There were over 800,000 on the same day in Washington DC. When you realize that you have been lied to by terrorists in government in order to get you to engage in a terrible slaughter-AND YOU ARE NOT ALONE-that's when you grow up and get busy. Kudos to Will.
They should be chanting 1 2 3 4 I'm not taking any more vaccines no more !.. the same folks that lied about Nam are the same evil bastards lying to the public about vaccine mandates.. all connected.. thank you for your service. And may God grant you peace
I doubt that the numbers were as high as you report. When the USSR collapsed, proof was found that most of the anti-war organizations were funded by Soviet front organizations. Last, South Vietnam didn't want to be "reunited" with the North. The Nguyen (South)and Tranh (North)had fought 20 wars in 300 years before the French took over. Although there's no doubt of corruption in DC and Saigon, let's not make the mistake of assuming that Commies are any better.
Everyone's mad at him but I'm just glad he was honest, I dont want any watered down bs, i want to hear what they really think and this guys got VERY controversial views but at least it's real and I respect him for telling his truth
I don't think everyone's mad at him. His story is the same as countless other veterans' stories, and it checks out if you read the history. Some people are angry because they would prefer a comfortable lie to the truth of it, especially if the truth is that we lost so many good men senselessly. If your husband or father was killed in Vietnam, I can understand why you'd want to imagine the struggle as heroic, even if reality doesn't support that. RIP to those who died.
Urban legend.....?? I heard stories of soldiers being spit on, i’m sure it’s true, so many stories about it, just because he didn’t have to deal with it he calls it an urban legend.....And it most likely happened in Kalifornia..... thank you for your service....!!
I was also in the Mekong Delta in 1968-69. I was lucky enough to be in the field on landing craft that supported a 105 mm artillery battalion. I have The upmost respect for any 11B that was humping the paddies. I may have been helping move troops to make his move. I knew quite a few ex11bravos that were in the 3rd of the 60th and 4th of the 47th. I am very glad that you made it back safely. I do remember on instants when some muddy 11 bs were allowed to come on my boat for lunch. They were talking o themselves about how good the d
What an interesting story. An honest view, which was probably shared by many of his peers, but not voiced by them. War is terrible. And we as a world never seem to learn from. That's why it's important to have all these testimonials which this channel have recorded. Thank you for that.
This guy is an arrogant jerk. He doesn't believe in God because he can't fathom any being smarter than what he considers himself. He also has a story in the local paper, in which he was charged for inhumane treatment of a cat. He tortured, beat, & killed his neighbor's cat. I'm not interested in his opinion of ANYTHING! BTW, upon his death, he's in for a big shock!
That's because the people that decide we are going to war don't have to go and they're families dont have to go. If they did, there would never be another war.
He probably adjusted it for inflation so the listener would know what it meant. $4.00 per hour in 1967 sounds like a joke today but then it was decent money. That's what he meant, pretty simple to figure out.
A real pleasure. Listening to this man being interviewed. He has shown great respect for the deceased & the suffering for both sides! I admire his knowledge and honesty Against his government For wars that should never have happened!( to Put it Mioldly )!!
I was in the Army, 3 combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. I gotta let everyone whos never been in before about Soldiers Deployment to War and mainly the newer recruits ill be talking about here. The first guy talked about "he met this girl' he fell in love or whatever and he got his draft letter. He said they had to "hurry up and get married" before he goes. Well, ive seen this EXACT situations all over the placd in the Army. Soldiers get married for one, they get a "free" house and more money on deployments if theyre married. Thats all good, but it NEVER works like that. The women around all the bases are looking for that type of Soldier who looks and acts like a damn virgin or acts desperate, like going to stripclubs almost every night and spending ALLL their money on them. Well, these girls are after thise types to marry and ger that "free" housing and the extra money for the spose to live on. 9 times out of 10, they will spend that extra money and some (all of it) smh and uses that house to take their bfs to while youre gone to War and writing her every chance you get and maybe get one or two replies. My one buddy, married a stripper before we went to Iraq. She was one of those women that took and spent all the money, detroyed his house with animal shit about two inches deep in the house.. We came home a year later, eveyone ready to spend that good Deployment pay thats been building up for a year. Well, my buddy was negative in his account when he came home..smh he was a Spec4, same as myself at the time, and i came back with like $32,000. So yeah, i havent heard what all this guy here has said yet, but im pretty sure he had a similar situation. Damn women...smh
😂🤣 yeah, I stopped listening to your crap story when you said “ my buddy married a stripper”. And then goes on to be shocked about what happens after!!! Motard
@@NATALIEKING1976 my "crap story" ? Sounds to me like you READ it all. I dont know how you would "stop listening" to it, unless you had to have someone read it to you...smh. Wow. You must have been one of those strippers, huh?
@@shawnnixon2616 it’s crap because it’s boring and lots of newbs fall for this nonsense. As far as my iq and your sad ass attempt to be funny about me hearing your story, some of us can multi task and have others reading comments whilst I cook. Puuhhllease. Also, as you have an iq that matches your shoe size, I used the word “motard”,, which is almost exclusively a military term. Yeah, I’m a former commanding officer and I wish I had $100 bill every time I heard one of these dumb ass soldiers come wimpering about how she took advantage of me and stole my stuff blah blah blah. Suck it up, pay your “dumb ass” tax and dont be so stupid next time. There are worse things to lose besides money. And how upset you seem to be over a total stranger stating the obvious leads me to believe that the story wasn’t your buddy, but you who married the stripper. We done now?
My Dad came back from WW II with enough money in bank to buy home start a business. He thought his wife gave all his money to her brother. He got another wife my Mom.
I find it odd these comments dumping on this guy because he is somewhat educated and had a clue about the geopolitical situation at that time questioning his mindset. he knew going there was BS. he went anyway. As opposed to some people who fanatically go wherever whenever. No different than Al Queda the SS etc. Fanatics. He still served but with a degree of "clarity" involved. its the same theme anti education anti arts etc. Khmer Rouge took the same stance towards the people it murdered Fanatics
These videos are important for the future, I really hope they are preserved, its first hand history, this mans recall is amazing, I think its because hes a trained artist this was a great interview, thank you both.
I remember hearing Sammy the Bull ,of all people , saying someone spit on him just for having his army clothes on during Vietnam. And he didn't even go to Vietnam. Some hippies were convinced that every soldier was killing kids. I'm not saying it happened every five minutes or even every day. But it happened.
Really, a deeply touching story. Always money for war. Never money for problems at home. I salute you sir. You served your country and kept alive what is important about the war in Vietnam.
this guy should have committed ss long ago or go to the next democratic convention and let loose the beast with in ,take as many dem devils as humanly possible and turn the gun o another the last devil standing
@Paul Revere If you're learning history from Henry Ford, you are on a delusional path. He wasn't a historian, and bought into debunked anti-semitic propaganda put out by Russian intelligence and Nazi Germany. He had issues.
When I first saw this series I was a little wary that the "sample space" was too narrow (i.e. Montana residents only) and that I'd get the same perspective, where if I heard one I'd heard them all. To my pleasant surprise ... each interview has been an interesting perspective ... I've enjoyed each person's rendition of their experience ... if only we'd learn from it.
Vietnam was a terrible waste of young VET LIVES AND now we have lost to many in the MIDDLE EAST, AND THE AMOINT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE SPENT, While our infrastructure. Is completely FALLING APART, and the VOTERS have no say what our GOVERNMENT DOES.
It’s easy to be a Monday morning quarterback! Voters have the right to vote for representatives that vote for them. It’s what we call a republic! We do not live in a democracy, which is mob rule. Our country has done a terrible job of being a republic because our expanding government bait-and-switched license (law) for Catholic Natural Rights of lie, liberty, and property. I would hate to live in a country where moron voters (most of them) determined if we went to war or not! If you are interested why America has turned out to be a moral sewer and a plethora of self-interested groups at each other’s throats, read CATHOLIC REPUBLIC, by Tim Gordon (second edition).
It's good to see. No BS. There are a lot of other good videos on here that tell the same tale. If you haven't seen it yet, Bill Ehrhart has great stories. Vietnam was a war without any traditional fixed "front lines" and a lot of propaganda involved - it's fascinating to read the history.
I think everyone should stop bitching and just be grateful we didn’t have to endure the things this man did for us , thank you for your service sir 🎖🏅🇺🇸
Exactly right. There's a reason that the old clichè "May you live in interesting times" is a curse. It's a miserable thing, not Hollywood theatrical glory.
I was there in a much better position. Some off my brothers didn’t make it back ether. To tell the truth, I hated the Army. They treated my like shit. I do love my country.
I was fortunate. I was called up by my draft board in 1971. I was taking a year off from college, thus temporarily sacrificing my student deferment. In those days, they DID ask, and I told. It got me out. I was 4F. But I want to add that had it been necessary, I would have gone to Canada to avoid the draft, as thousands did. The war was wrong, and we all knew it. I knew that, come hell or high water, I was NOT going.
Yeah lol it’s cowardice shrouded in “I thought it was wrong dude.” Lol these guys also all talk shit and say trump was a draft dodger when they literally went all the way to Canada to dodge the draft lmao
When I got off that Braniff charted aircraft, the first thing that I noticed was the shit smell. On final approach we could see cannon and close air support doing their thing, so had already experienced that. That odor comes back to me sometimes after all these years!
Interesting to see him seem to so easily with his experiences considering he is one of the few on here that saw through the war-mongering propaganda and wasn't left wondering why and what it was all for in the end.
Saw this and thought he was wrong to say nobody ever spits on our returning soldiers. Even called them assholes. He needs to lose the chip on his shoulder. He doesn't know what he talking about. My wife and I had deplaned and we were walking behind some soldiers who had just come home from Vietnam who had their uniforms on and there were young people there calling them names and spitting at them. This was back in 1969. Why they felt the need to come all the way out to the airport is something I'll never understand. These guys did what their country asks them to do and God Bless Them. At least they came home alive and walking.
@@johnedward3404 Everything since Korea. Even today. Now we have a President who gets our people killed when it was unnecessary. All because he wanted to give a victory speech. Even the generals can't make an honest decision. How sick is that? War is no joke and it's our young people who have to pay the price.
I came home in 1971, had to wear the uniform in order to get on the Army sponsored plane, and to leave Oakland to get to Mn so I could catch a flight to Rapid City South Dakota. We had to process out and there was a sidewalk running down the side of the buildings to get to the mess hall for our STEAK dinner from the Army, the steak was good but there were long haired stinking hippies on the other side of that fence throwing beer and pop cans full of piss and rocks at us as we walked, the did scream baby killer and such as well. Once we left the Republic of California and landed in Minnesota, things changed. It was winter, I was wearing short sleeved kakis, the only dress uniform I had at the time. Some older fellow was there and had on his field jacket from his time in Korea. He took that off and gave it to me to keep warm for my trip. Now that was a boost for my sagging moral. I can recall him saying "Different war, same Army, welcome home soldier!"
@@johnedward3404 It was a waste of life for a lot of young people, but they didn't deserve to be treated like that when they came home. All they wanted to do was survive the war. They did what they were sent to do and did it as best as they could. Nobody has a right to disrespect a soldier doing his duty for his country. Most of those people waiting at the airports are nothing but cowards.
Maybe I'm out of left field, but it sounds like he was drafted as part of McNamara's 100k where they continually lowered the qualifications for selective service contracts.
I like this Will Crain. He’s not the most articulate vet but he’s a thinking man and sees the big picture. I like that about him. That’s too bad about the PTSD. He came home but the war is still with him.
It's amazing that WW2 and Korean war happened yet no one thinks to provide any protection for the ears of the Mortar men. Was it the same for heavy artillery? Geez who needs their hearing after serving? I just missed the draft because the War was winding down and my Lottery number was not called. But I did have to go get my Physical. My Father went when I was 15 and came back saying nothing about the war but he was an Officer and not in combat. I asked him later what the hell I was doing in High School with no prep for a War that I was very likely to get called up for. Nothing! No wonder we lost that war. Young men sent in with so little training to fight in Jungles. Vets treated so badly. One hand tied behind our back.
I love how he recounts his time, as raw and truthful as he can be; He and so many others like him were shunned when they came back even if they never wanted to go in the first place...
@@johnedward3404 pretty controversial view. I’ll respect you’re right to have it. I think I’m 50/50 on it. I’m pretty sure a lot of people would take umbrage with it for pretty obvious reasons - especially men who joined the armed services of their own volition.
He specifically said he never saw anyone being spat in the face of called baby killers. Turn off the Hollywood CIA programing man, this guy understood it was all a banker larp. He named the nose with the USS Liberty, he gets it.
I was stopped by the White Mice in Saigon. I was past curfew in one of those little tiny cabs trying to get back to my unit and got caught. He pointed his rifle in my face and scared hell out of me. Finally the cab driver found his voice and helped me out with little dollar exchange. I am luck I had secreted some US dollars or I am sure my head would have had a new whole. So the MP story kind of fits. I might have been a little judgmental on that one. Sorry.
Awareness, awareness, awareness. I think we have read some of the same books,,,Anthony DeMello, perhaps? I am glad you had a high regard for the Boy Scouts. (I was an iggle myself. } Ever heard of the Dulles brothers? We are hated around the world because of them. REALLY like your interview. Outstanding! Thank you.
Dulles bros were of that upper crust who's families are connected & profit from sending those of the lower castes to fight wars to protect the upper crusts business ventures.
Did Mr. Crain pass away? I hope not. I'm getting info like that but his art website is still up. We know we can't trust internet, which is basically a sophisticated communication SERVICE but they serve themselves as much as they can. I love his art.
Stop "Thanking us for our service" just because in the last 20 the system has told you to say that. It's embarrassing and an admission that you are easily brainwashed.
@@topfeedcocoI know vets who got spit on when they got home who definitely appreciate being thanked rather than spit on. If you don’t have anything positive to say it’s better just not talk. Ain’t nobody brainwashed for being grateful for our veterans, bro.
@@ThanksforcensoringmeRU-vid You are utterly and hopelessly brainwashed, but I forgive you, it's not your fault your mind can't stand against this onslaught of weaponized constant psyops. Semper Fi
What these guys went through, from all different walks of life, creeds and colors. Can you imagine being in that jungle? Now can you imagine being a kid in that jungle fighting the Viet Cong?? I don’t care what you fellas did to survive and keep your sanity while there. You’re all Heroes in my book. Thank you for being Warriors even when you didn’t want to be but did your duty anyway. 🇺🇸
This guy really lays it out ... I was in during peace time and got out honorably with an education + GI-bill ... Lifers are there and ~afraid to get out in most cases ...
Some things don’t make sense and he tells of his experience like it was a sporting event,no emotions like it was nothing. I find some of his stories hard to believe!
One hour into it Will tells how the stupid war was a money making scam . He references Smedley Butler "War is a Racket" the interviewer doesn't like that so much doesn"t dwell there .
I read that book, in it he talks of how he was approached by a cabal of “ influential people” to lead a March of veterans on Washington D.C to depose Roosevelt and install himself as dictator.
Thanx my man your life was not in vain..i read some where the Rockefeller guy was involved in selling weapons to the north Vietnamese .. I appreciate this buddy. I was born in Canada a place where we did not have to go to any war..
Sounds like a bunch of bullshit. 20 years old, working the line at Lockheed skunk works with a secret clearance, in 67, making 41k a year, working on the “Blackhawk”. You know, like Gary Powers was shot down in. Back when engineers then made 10k a year. Then they need the 20 year old draftee with no college to be an officer? Sure pal. And then he weaves together every movie and song trope known to man. Airport scene in platoon, check. Line from the song Sky Pilot, check. Doesn’t know what DEROS meant, lol. Then no mention of anyone in his unit. FNG chooses which track he will ride on, for a “night patrol”... in a track. Track hits a mine and everyone goes flying, but nobody hurt. So now it’s on to Apocalypse now and he’s going “upriver” with the riverine force. Wounded but of course, saved by his zippo lighter. Rides around on ATCs not APCs. This cat is like Eddie Murphy in Trading Places. Ready for him to say his code name was Agent Orange. Total bullshit. Con artist... always with the “loner” comments, that way nobody can say he wasn’t with them. Turd
+ michaels33 Your post summed it up perfectly. The reason I'm so far down the page in comments is because I thought this guy smelled bad almost immediately and needed to see if anyone agreed. I've watched quite a few of these videos and this is the *only* one that set off any alarms. This dude is a different recipe entirely. As it progressed it became clear he's either seriously embellishing...or is selling the bull in it's entirety. Christ...I'm only a half hour into this! From what I'm seeing in the vid section there's a lot more weirdness to look forward to. What gets me most though is how so many commenters here are convinced this guy is spot on the level. Some I suppose are new here and haven't listened to many of these interviews but there also seems to be a lot of return viewers...viewers that somehow can't clock that this guy plainly reeks of bullshit & story-time. Anyway....dug your post. Thankfully hiccups like this guy are rare.
@@olrikparlez3152 lol that was the exact reason I scrolled deep into the comments yesterday also. Stinks to high heaven. I listened to the whole thing as i was driving, mostly just to see what he said next. It gets worse... total con artist. I want to have him vetted.
Does this guy and the interviewer think the rest of us in Viet Nam were morons. That we did not know it was a very different culture? That life had changed for us? Do they think the rest of us all are morons?
113s were death traps. A .22 would penetrate the damn thing and what ever went inside would bang around all over the place. That is why we rode on top! They had a rubber liner, I guess it was, to help with this but did not help a lot.
