Viewer Request - Generations Enterprise D VS USS Voyager - Star Trek Starship Battles 

You can't cover that spread 😄

🤣🤣🤣 A definite advantage 🖖

nah that was tuvok pulling them out of his arse and loading them into the launcher lol

Ans the galaxy

Lol

None of which is relevant here

It was small compared to some of the mid-late 24th century starfleet designs. The galaxy and nebula classes in particular are almost unbelievably vast.

A smuggler or, cheap knockoffs that aren't quite as almost as powerful but not quite.

That would have been cool.

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@@RetroBadgerGaming Retro, voyager must have sone crew members who are descendents of the Amish. It is only logical 🤣

i heard that was a complaint of the writing crew, and why BattleStar Galactica kept that feature. the compromise with voyager was keeping internal changes. :( the story would have been much more compelling if they actually bugeted their supplies.

Type 6 Photon torpedo warheads had a 24KG reactants capacity enough for a 200 instone yield per warhead 8x a standard Photon torpedoe.

@tinynuggins1029 thanks buddy, that means a lot. Cheers for sticking with me 🖖

Had.

@@Maxiius has

​@@HayturThey had 2. And they used them both in the pilot.

Whether they used them up or not in the show doesn't really have any bearing in a theoretical match up.

@@xDownSetxthis is the correct answer right here. Every ship in this game has its full armaments with it. So seems silly that voyager wouldn’t but as I suspect it’s probably just because people forgot

Couple that with the Isokinetic Cannon and Voyager would have been absolutely terrifying.

False assumption- you're assuming they have the same power source. It's not likely that a 4.5 megaton ship would not have a far larger engine output than a 700 k ton ship . Enterprises engine core several times the size of voyagers

@@markmullins8622, The growth in power required is not linear it is exponential. The Enterprise might take hundreds of times more power for the same level of protection.

@s.patrickmarino7289 a. Please don't presume to lecture me. B. You're missing the point. The galaxy class Has a far larger and more powerful warp core. It has power to burn.

@@markmullins8622, Just do the math. If the Enterprise is twice the size, it would take eight times the power, just to have the same level of shields. If the Enterprise was three times the size, it would take 36 times the power, just to have the same shields. If the Enterprise is eight times larger, it takes 64 times the power, just to have the same shields.

@@s.patrickmarino7289 again you're missing the point. I'm not going to argue with someone being deliberately abtuse

One-shotting? The Odyssey took multiple hits with energy weapons that passed straight through their shields and lasted a reasonable amount of time before a Jem Hadar ship rammed the engineering section of the ship.

This is the Voyager that came outta Earth Station McKinley in 2371, base Intrepid-class, so yes it _is_ Voyager, just not the one we got after 7 years in the Delta Quadrant

Tech of the week doesn't count. Or the Ent D will get some goodies too.

Voyager had 15 decks. Enterprise D had 42. Voyager was much closer to the size of the original Enterprise (TOS 1701). It's half the width, height, and depth of a Galaxy class vessel. So, in terms of internal volume, Enterprise D had 8 times the internal volume of the original Enterprise (and Voyager). That's why our comments regarding maneuverability are so germane. It had substantially much less mass and could move a lot faster and more responsively (bioneural gel packs also, hello). This simulation is by no means an accurate representation despite the nice graphics. I'm not mad at the attempt to compare them, but it is precisely that: an attempt.

It doesn't work like that. You'll note that when Starfleet built it's Borg fleet post wolf 359, it built much smaller ships with much smaller phaser strips, and yet they are very powerful - and more effective against the Borg than the huge Galaxy class ships. Clearly the size of phaser arrays isn't what matters. Look how powerful the Defiant phasers are. In fact the weakness of the Galaxy class is that because it's main phasers are so huge, they require huge power to fully charge, which then soon depletes the ship's energy reserves. In the Yesterdays Enterprise battle note how as soon as the Enterprise fires all phasers full blast, she then suffers badly and loses quickly - because she expended so much power in those few fast firing phaser volleys. It's better to have smaller arrays which are more efficient, which you can keep on firing at a fast rate.

My info is from the TNG Technical Manual by Sternbach and Okuda. Also, starships don't have "energy reserves" or anything battery-like that supply main systems. They have reactors - fusion and matter/antimatter warp core. Power is continuous. They also built Sovereigns post Wolf 359 with similar sized phaser arrays that likely had more power per each segment.

@@ChristopherBergs-kt8hb This is not correct. Look at the deck schematics for Voyager and you'll see a lot of internal battery storgae cells. And you've still answered the points I made in my previous comment.

Not true They had Type X according to Rick Sternbach the ship designer and MK95 torpedoe launchers each can fire twelve torpedoes at ounce.

@@jasonwestwood7092 Are you talking aboutthe Intrepids or the Galaxies?

INTREPID CLASS.

For the record the Constitution class refit 2271 onwards had type 7 Phaser names six twin mounted.

It could potentially have been one if utilized properly. Dominion War refits were monstrous beasts, though I don't know enough about them to know if they could genuinely be classified as dreadnoughts. The Reman Scimitar is what comes to mind when I hear the word dreadnought, and that would likely have made mincemeat of a single Galaxy Refit. The Confederation World Razer probably WOULD be considered a real dreadnought, however, as I recall it being seemingly capable of destroying multiple Borg cubes on its own. Considering the Confederation annihilated the entire Collective, it seems more than plausible.

@@heartoffire5902 You are confusing size with technology levels

Sorry to hear that Steve. Hope you feel better soon buddy. Voyager had an amazing repair ability. All fixed in one evening 😂🖖

@@RetroBadgerGaming Thanks again, sorry to put that.. the woman neighbour is making my life a living hell and enough , I went to the police talked to not her friend and he did not want to he a thing... I am gay, but she is even running to the houses around my building saying worst... can't say it here.. but I am burnt and emotionally gone.. sorry again and Yes Voyager repairs fast.. gosh.. That is one well many questions I have about the show lol.. 😊🖖

Well there is the RBG Intrepid class which is my modification, armed with quantums and a greatly improved phaser array and shields or there is the armoured Voyager which has the futuristic armour and transphasic torpedoes 🖖

VOYAGER HAD 14 TYPE X Phaser arrays the D 12 but the Intrepid class had new improved dilithium crystals which regulate high energy plasma at higher capacity allowing for a 24% increase in Phaser yields and F type recharges which change and recharge the arrays 20% faster.

Voyager with Quantum torpedoes was more realistic battle.

Funnily enough, if stranded in the Delta Quadrant the Galaxy class would have generally fared better than the Intrepid Class. While it may have had a lower absolute top speed, it was far from being a slouch (the galaxy class was the fastest ship in Starfleet at launch). Outside of emergencies the cruising speeds of both were probably similar. Having more conventional components instead of experimental tech like the biocircuitry would have made maintenance at lot easier (and eliminate the risk of the ship being infected and/or destroyed by things like macro viruses and Neelix’s cheese). All that extra internal space means the Galaxy class could stock up on a lot more supplies, and it probably wouldn’t need to stop over as often as Voyager. For instance, the Galaxy class has wayyy more torpedoes and shuttles than the Intrepid, negating the need for whatever demon magic Janeway was using to replenish Voyager’s supply. Many of the modifications Voyager made would likely work just as well on a Galaxy Class as the E-D was also modified on several occasions (including the phase cloak). Plus, being a much larger ship the Galaxy class may have made some of the factions which attacked Voyager think twice.

@@Sonicboom2007 You underestimate the speed difference and efficiency of the warp drives between the two ships Voyager had a far higher cruising and maximum speed. Cruising is through to be warp 5 for the Enterprise vs warp 6 for Voyager and max speed of 9.6 vs 9.975 respectively both nearly twice as fast by comparison. Meaning the journey itself would take far longer and thus need to stop more often to resupply, take longer to cross dangerous territory and encounter more unforeseen circumstances and events. True Enterprise has more torpedos but Voyager could outrun almost anything and thus not need to use them as often. It also being small enough that it could land planet side for repairs is a huge plus. A larger ship also generally performs worse against multiple smaller ships, like a pack of wolves brining down a moose they will outmaneuver it and slowly wear it down. Not only that a larger ship means more systems and decks that need to be maintained and repaired which requires even more crew you don’t get to scale up the size of a ship without any draw backs. As for the gel packs yeah they had some quirks but it also allowed the ship to process data far faster and respond more quickly in combat situations. The system was reliable enough that voyager survived a multi year journey without any support or refits.

@@BigHeadClan Actually, according to the tech manuals both ships are identical in terms of cruising speeds. The Galaxy Class had a “normal” cruising speed of warp 6 which could be maintained until fuel exhaustion, a max cruising speed of warp 9.2, and a max top speed of warp 9.6 which could be sustained for 12 hours. The warp 5 cruising speed limit was due a fleet wide order until they could solve the issue of warp travel damaging subspace(which is why the Intrepid had the moving nacelles incidentally). The Intrepid Class had a “normal” cruising speed of warp 6 which it could maintain until fuel exhaustion, a max cruising speed of warp 9.2, and a max top speed of warp 9.975 which could be sustained for 12 hours. So ya, Voyager was faster in a sprint, but had the same cruise speeds as the Galaxy Class. Which isn’t a knock against Intrepid Class as it could sprint faster and cruise at the same speed despite having an engine 1/4 the size, that’s still a big improvement considering the Galaxy class was top of the line at launch. However there was a notable difference in terms of endurance: the Galaxy class was rated for 7 years of independent operations at warp 6, while the Intrepid class was rated for 3 years at warp 6. So the Galaxy Class could go for over twice as long before needing to refuel than the Intrepid Class, even after factoring in the extra maintenance and crew size. And again, repairs would rely on more regular tech as opposed to the bio neural circuitry. Plus it wouldn’t have to squeeze the extra torpedos and shuttles in the spare crew quarters :P While the Galaxy class wasn’t as fast and maneuverable in a fight, it wouldn’t need to run away as often since due to its sheer size fewer ships would want to pick a fight with it in the first place. For instance, the Kazon went after Voyager because despite Voyager’s tech advantage they thought it was small enough that they stood a chance against it, particularly when in numbers. I doubt they’d feel the same way about the E-D. The Galaxy class is also far from helpless against smaller ships; the Odyssey (with help from runabouts) survived several minutes of fighting against thee Jem’hader fighters despite shields not working, and was only destroyed when one of the fighters did a suicide run. Note that the Odyssey wasn’t trying to run away either, as it was providing cover while O’Brien rescued Sisko. I doubt an unshielded Voyager would have done any better. Also, although it wasn’t used much the E-D could saucer seperate, and have two ships during a sublight battle when needed. Outside universe, the whole point of Voyager was that it wasn’t the Enterprise, the flagship of the fleet - it was a relatively small ship (in comparison to the E-D) with a new crew getting whipped across the galaxy and having to struggle to survive with limited resources. In-universe, it also makes sense why the Intrepid Class wasn’t built with as much endurance and range as the Galaxy Class. Post Wolf 359 Starfleet may have realized that ships as big and powerful as the Galaxy / Nebula Class were simply too valuable to send out into deep space on 5 year+ missions, but there was still plenty of exploration to do around the Federation frontier and older designs were showing their age. The Intrepid Class filled that niche; you didn’t need a Galaxy class for a sixth month to year long survey mission, but an Intrepid would suit that role nicely.

@@Sonicboom2007 I admittedly forgot the warp 5 was an artificial speed limit so fair enough. With that said we do need to be careful not to confuse the Enterprise-D the flagship of the fleet which often had experimental upgrades with the Galaxy class itself and received upgrades. But for the sake of your argument and simply the ease of documentation we'll use it since we don't know if/when the other Galaxy classes received those upgrades later. However re-reading and comparing two ships from the tech manual its become apparent that it isn't all that strait forward as they aren't standardized technical documents using identical verbiage, units of measurement or specifications. Enterprise is written more so like an official tech manual and Voyagers is written like the early draft of core concepts and guidelines for Voyager's writing team. For example the mission duration for Voyager (time between refueling as it calls it) is 3 years but also doesn't specify at what sustained warp speed that is. We both assumed it was Warp 6 because as its what's commonly sited and what the Enterprise uses for its 7-year mission time but both ships list Warp 9.2 as their maximum cruising speed. A sustained cruising speed of Warp 6 would also contradict Janeways statement that it would take 75 years to make it back to the Alpha Quadrant at Maximum sustained warp when they are 70,000 lightyears away. At cruising speed of warp 6 that would be more like 200 years. Granted its entirely possible that is Voyager writing just being voyagerbut even the Voyager tech manual Rick created contradicts its own information regarding the max cruising speed and maximum warp values in the same document. Either way at 70K light years Voyager would need to sustain warp speeds of at least warp 8, so its bare minimum the same at cruising speeds of the Enterprise or significantly faster. As for the Enterprise your point that it could go 7 years is a valid one, but the tech manual also then calls for independent refueling is required via a Fuel Tanker or space station. Both ships have Ram collectors to fuel their warp cores but the language for the Enterprise manual indicates the "a ship in distress will only continue to loose power " even with the system in use and that it isn't sustainable in the long-term. Whereas Voyager fresh out of Space-Dock went 7-years strait without access to a Starfleet ship-yard or direct resupply, so it doubled its estimated mission time and did so in the totally unimaginable situation of being stranded in the Delta quadrant it performed above-beyond what the Intrepid class was designed for. Sure size can matter in a fight but lets face it the Kazon weren't all that bright and attempted to fight a far more technologically advanced Voyager, a larger ship that is similarly armed and slightly less advanced likely wouldn't intimidate them any more or less than Voyager. Dumb as they can be they do have sensors and can glean some basic information about the ships combat ability and weapons just like any other warp capable civilization in the Delta Quadrant. I don't think it would play any factor in a fight. I also never said the Enterprise can't deal with smaller ships, it has a huge phaser array after-all and lots of hull to take hits but its just not suited to those fights and in real life large ships always have support or escort ships to cover for that weakness. Your example with the Odyssey actually proves my point as it had 2x Runabouts to support it and was only fighting 3 Jem'Hadar fighters craft that are about half the size (or less) of the Defiant and far less powerful than their larger counterparts and it was still destroyed. Either way both ships go about combat in totally different ways, Voyager relies on its shield strength their adaptability during combat and its maneuverability to avoid hits where as the Galaxy class is just an all-around tank, it has great shields and can take the abuse even if it looses shields. Without shields Voyager can't take anywhere near the same punishment, but it's more advanced sensors and shields means Voyager could have found out a way to defend against the Jem"Hedar weapons. As for your in-universe point I mostly agree, the Galaxy class was too big and valuable to leave out of a major fight if one broke out and nor make any sense to carry large portions of Civilian passengers into possible war zones after Wolf 359 which is why we stopped seeing Civilians populations on Starfleet ships. Voyager was about half that of a Galaxy class and would likely take far less time to build if they needed to crank them out in a hurry while filling the Niche of deep space science vessel. . That said the Intrepid was never meant to be a direct replacement for the Galaxy class which functionally served as flag-ships and the pinnacle of Starfleet, that role correctly goes to the Sovereign class which incorporated nearly all the technology's of the Intrepid class while being far more capable in combat than either the Intrepid or Galaxy class.