Vigano as Vatican Victim. Archbishop Viagno is summoned by the DDF with accusations of schism. 

Dr Gavin. That was a wonderful interview you did today with Dr Taylor Marshall. I believe he learned a lot from you because of this interview. Keeping all in prayers 🙏☘️

They plan to make an example of Vigano, send a clear message to traditional Catholics. Hope they don't do him like Pell.

Praying for the release and publication of the Gagnon Report

Thank you for covering this. Let's all pray for Archbishop Vigano. Such a good soul. And let's keep him safe.

Our Lord appearing in person couldn't motivate these bishop's and Cardinal's.

70 years of age and just returned to the Extraordinary Rite. No earthly power will be taking that away from me. Deus Vult.

May the Holy Ghost give Bp Vegano the courage to speak the truth before his persecutors. Remember that Sts. Peter and Paul were expelled from the Temple by wicked men.

Mess with the machine and you'll get crushed. Heinous acts of protection and self-protection are rife, the sexual abuse scandal for one, is truly obscene. The place where children, these innocents, these babies, who should of been most safe, most protected, most loved, were abused and destroyed by the very people who had the most responsibility for them. Evil beyond evil, what a stain and blight on the Church. A local archbishop who moved troublesome priests, who's now dead, has the biggest gravestone in the cemetery. What a disgrace! They know people have short memories, and they know it will pass, so onwards and upwards and business as usual, and anyone who gets in the way will be dealt with.

One thing you forget as you are christianizing a Bishop is that as a successor of the Apostles, he has a gravitas and responsibility that you as lay people do not have. Pray for those Bishops who have and are waking up to the terrible state that the church is in. Perhaps everything they do is not perfect or in accord with your understanding. But give them the benefit of the doubt and pray for those who are standing up and proclaiming the "the emperor has no clothes!" Kyrie eleison!

What is coming from Rome doesn't seem tyrannical, it is tyrannical. I feel like an outsider in my own Church.

pray for Archbishop Vigano’.Since the time of Pope John Paul ll, he has made momentous revelations about the state of affairs, and it was uncomfortable for several people involved, and they w

You all will find out that Vigano is enlightened and boldly truthful. He has warned the world. Please listen to him.

The beginning of serious sorrows in the Catholic Church.

Extreme and Eccentric? Thomas More and John Fisher? What was their End-Game? Heaven! What is the Modernist End-Game? Hell!

As for rupnik, the nuns should not stop their case with the Pope, but they should use their country's laws to have charges laid against him and have him prosecuted. In most modern countries, as an example, nuns who teach are covered by employment laws, and simply because they are nuns does not preclude them from the full cover and operation of their country's laws. They have rights which the Pope cannot extinguish. They must use them.

Our prayers are with you Bishop Vigano. Viva Christus

God bless Archbishop Viganò. O, Lord. Make haste and send us a Catholic Pope.

Vatican 2 Trumps: Bible, Tradition, Magisterium? Catholic Church or Synodal Church?

This is all awful. I hope our next Holy Father is truly holy and clear. Ave Maria

Very good Katherine mentioning the Screwtape letters 🙏💕

Vigano is a great Bishop. He is loved in America by all who know the issues and the history. Pope Francis is a Cardinal McCarrick guy

What about the real schizmatics in the Church!??

You're being too hard on Vigano. We are living in insane times. Outcomes don't come into the reaction to this insanity. The prophet just speaks because he can not be silent. Because he's sees his precious Bride being brutally attacked.

You've done an outstanding job putting forth this podcast! It's undoubtedly spot on with how normal pew sitting Catholics are feeling and thinking about this situation.

Vigano appears credible in all he says including the nwo and those Bergoglio aligns himself with. It becomes quite difficult not to call "Francis" out on these things. Heaven knows his self-appointed cardinal syncophants certainly will not do it.

For heaven sake, schism includes denial of the primacy of St Peter and not whether Bergoglio is Pope or not!

"No-one seems to be able to do anything about it". I wonder if that's what people thought and said as the Latin Mass became novus ordo.

I would be very cautious about claims from Vigano that he warned the Pope about McCarrick. Michael Lofton has an in-depth video (with receipts) regarding this whole issue and the steps that Vigano took multiple times to protect McCarrick. Of course there are people who will automatically dismiss anything ML says, but as one with no dog in this fight, I would advise caution in accepting claims at their face value.

Thank you!

I enjoy your program!

VIGANO IS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for this channel. Dr Ashenden, I watched your interview on Taylor Marshall. It was brilliant!

It is hard to take the Vatican seriously on anything these days. They decide to accuse Vigano of schism, but ignore the many people running around in the Church openly teaching heresy.

😮 I was thrown off the site twice at about the 2:30 minute mark. I was able to get back on and manually move my cursor to about the 3:00 minute mark. Everything worked well from there.😊 Wonderful interview with Taylor Marshall. ❤

Let's all pray the Holy Rosary in union with the Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious Mysteries especially the Chaplet of Tears, Chaplet of the Precious Blood, and the Chaplet of Holy Wounds as prayer of atonement and reparation for all the sacrilegious, heresies, impurity, and sins Our Lady of Heroldsbach, Lady of Help of Christians, Undoer of Knots, pray for us

BRAVO VIGANO!

Without Viganó we would be in the dark about much of the heinous activity in the upper echelons of the Church. I don't care whether he's strident and eccentric at least people are listening. Just an aside: it's pronounced Viganó not Vigano.

And yet the vast majority of Catholics have never even heard of Vigano !

Vigano, I Suggest is quite right about the New World Order and the the things that are considered ‘off the wall’ are true. By and large I agree with Vigano’s analysis of the current world situation, both in the Church and world politics. I think Vigano’s intention is to be a doctor to the Church. Prophets have always been deride. God always instructs prophets to tell the truth to the people even if they will not listen.

What rubbish - this summons of Vigano is long overdue and all of you who are defending him are also being taken over by the same evil. God will protect his Church. Please, why can’t you all just leave. The Church will stand, you will not - so please, please just leave and admit that you’re no longer united with the Roman Catholic Church.

I did fear for him after his recent revelation regarding PF and abuse. Up to now he's been spot on. Prayers for him.

Well said Gavin!

Much too polite, English Broad-Church.

Viganò: My defense against schism is the same as Archbishop Lefebvre’s Replying to the Vatican's accusation of schism, Viganò writes, 'Fifty years ago, in that same Palace of the Holy Office, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was summoned and accused of schism for rejecting Vatican II. His defense is mine; his words are mine; and his arguments are mine.'

What a brilliant discussion! Thank you also to Gavin for the talk at St Augustine's on Wednesday. It was so good to see you and simply to say how much I enjoy the three of you and to say thankyou.

How is Orthodoxy's polity where there is unity with diversity such a bad thing when you look at the Roman church on the verge of schism. It seemed that those in glass houses should not cast stones. The triumphalism of the glory days of Pius XII don't seem to apply these days.

Thank you for this reasoned and balanced discussion. In many ways we seem to be living the words Jesus addressed to his listeners: Matthew 23:1-3 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

Jan Hus made the same mistake of attacking the Pope rather than sticking to theology. Regarding the intention of those who criticize current actions and statements of those in power, we should focus on clarity as Dr. Ashenden correctly says. We need to discuss the difference between the wielding of power, and the maintenance of the authority of the leaders to maintain correct teaching and governance of the church. That is good shepherding. It is the good shepherding that is missing.

18:43 it ends in persecution of the faithful But is that what is being setup up? A time of testing and trial?

I'm wondering if Arch. Vigano is speaking out so bluntly and even offensively in order to 'rally the Bishops' so that they might take action against this 'Pope'.

Allowing anger to govern your words and behaviour is called a sin for a reason. Vigano has a PTSD level of anger, probably for a good reason. What does he know that we do not? This level of anger may be justified but it can lead you to irrationally hitting out and saying hurtful things. Vigano has been saying things without providing evidence.

I appreciate the stable, steady adherence to The Deposit of Faith as the basis of your discussions. I do need to say that I find some flaw in Gavin's perspective of praying for the Holy Spirit to accelerate Pope Francis' move to his Eternal reward....... I believe it is only of True Faithfulness to Christ's Teaching that we pray for the Pope's Conversion immediately for the sake of his soul and for the sake of healing in Holy Mother Church. May God Bless Pope Francis in this life that he may attain Eternal Life in Heaven.

Could someone put a link to Gavin Ashenden's interview with Taylor Marshall please? I can't find it. Thank you

Rather than speak about his downward spiral (what do you actually mean by that?), how about treating the Archbishop objectively by explaining what he means by the ‘Bonum Certamen’.

And this matters to the world outside the US of A .. erm .. In what way? Rome has the authority to put an Archbishop to the Question, the Inquisition is still the investigative office of the Holy See, but an Archbishop - of any stripe - may not try a reigning Sovereign Pontiff .. without first presenting a case fit for trial to that Holy Office. What is interesting (and important, for those more in the 'know' than me) is that this judicial move exposes the recent tawdry piece of ecumenical blather - on the role of the papacy - to the ridicule it so richly deserved; Rome is not just one of the boys in a patriarchal (and now also a matriarchal) club of administrators for the Christian religion, Rome is still 'Rome' ... Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o)

Another great episode. It’s helped me to seperate the issues. Thanks.

Akita said it. Why then the surprise?

Accusations of schism? He downright proudly said it in his “defense.” Some of you people really need to learn about Catholic ecclesiology. By the way, Vigano is the reason McCarrick wasn’t dealt with. He dropped the ball (or protected his friend), and then tried to blame it on the pope. The 2018 report shows this. Go and read it.

A disappointing discussion. I write this as someone who regularly likes to listen to your podcasts , but this pussy-footing around the issues is unhelpful. Apart from some oblique references to a 'deep state', there was no explanation of what Vigano has actually said to make him 'eccentric' and 'inaccesible' or schismatic, leaving me at least completely in the dark. Astonishingly, Gavin says he may well be right (about what precisely?), but there is nothing we can do about it, so we should not talk about it. That is a denial of human agency and an intellectual dead end. It is simply not good enough to conclude that: the church is full of rot, but since there is nothing we can do about it, let us declare certain subjects (again which?) of lesser importance and keep silent about them. Obviously the Vatican and Archb. Vigano do not share your view, but consider them to be of great importance. You three have my admiration, but this episode leaves me in the same state of ignorance I was before? Is that catholic? It is certainly annoying.

Deliverance…YES!!!!

I do not support the extreme ultramontanist view myself. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that, in the early Church, the Bishop of Rome was like the Chief Executive of a vast international conglomerate, reserving all decisions about the running of the organisation to himself. The Bishop of Rome inherited the Petrine Ministry. That ministry is clearly stated in the Gospels that of “confirming the brethren” or “feeding the sheep”. In the early Church, following the conversion of the Roman Emperor, the Faithful saw this as the fulfilment of the prophecy in Scripture “the Kingdom of this world has become the Kingdom of our God and of his Christ”. The Christian Roman Emperor was seen as the “Vicar of Christ” on earth. It was he who called Ecumenical Councils, not the Patriarch of Constantinople nor the Bishop of Rome. The Councils reported to the Emperor. If he was satisfied that the Council had been properly conducted (no dishonesty, bribery, coercion etc) he would confirm the decision of the Council. Finally, exercising the Petrine Ministry, the Bishop of Rome would formally confirm the decision of the Council. In the early Church, the vast majority of Christians lived in the East and were under the direct jurisdiction of the Emperor. The Bishop of Rome had no supervisory responsibilities in respect of that part of the Church. They elected their own Bishops and dealt with all day to day administrative matters themselves. After a Western Christian Roman Emperor set himself up in 800, the Eastern Empire was contemptuous and declined to give him any recognition. As the Western Empire and the Pope carved up Western Europe between them, the Bishop of Rome, as temporal ruler of the States of the Church, did have complete authority within his own temporal dominions. He then began to exercise the same power as the Eastern Roman Emperor did in his Empire. The Western Roman Empire was constantly struggling with the Bishop of Rome - the Investiture Crisis and the “road to Canossa” are historical examples of this. The Bishop of Rome vested much power from the Emperor and from the other powerful rulers in the West as to the day to day administrative government of the Church. Now, this model has been extended to the wider Church - all the administration of the Latin Rite is from Rome. Then, we have the rather untidy situation with the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches - to some extent, they still follow the model of the early Church. The Bishop of Rome does not have day to day administrative authority over them, yet they remain in full communion with Rome. Mark expresses concern about the Bishop of Rome giving up some of his authority, as currently exercised, on the basis that his present position in the Latin Rite represents the way in which the whole of the early Church was governed. As a matter of historical fact, it was not. Of course, if you believe in the theory of the “development of doctrine” it is possible to argue that extreme ultramontanism is a rather recent development of doctrine in the Church, which has been part of the Lord’s plan for the Church, particularly after the end of the Eastern Roman Empire, the loss of a Christian Roman Empire and of the City. I think that I could accept this argument. However, I cannot accept, as an historical fact, that extreme ultramontanism represents the model by which the early Church was governed.

Peace. Appreciated overview by Lambert. No guarantees next Pope not worse. Think majority of Cardinals are Italian, dealing with the mafia their big problem. Heard Vigano was getting death threats too. Literally mb made a martyr.

and they they will retaliate with vengeance

Pay attention to what Bergolio does. Ignore what he says. Obey the Office. Ignore the man. God knows what he is doing. Trust your faith.

Abp. Vigano didn’t show in Rome. Cardinal Pell died when he went to Rome.

Vigano expected this showdown.

Pronunciation point. I've been wondering who this Cardinal Oolay is. I finally figured out it's Cardinal Ouellet. Think of the ou in "oui" for the first sound, est as in "il est" for the second. Gavin, you live partly in Normandy, n'est-pas?

Vigano is NOT a vatican victim. He dug his own grave because of his greedy for power.

3 folks who need to go outside, touch grass, and take lots of psychedelics.

I love your guy's perspective on things.

I think Vigano is saint, can you imagine how much he have suffered trying to work with V2 disaster and pope is so tyrannical and someone has to speak up

Look at characters in the Old Testament who did violent acts for the faith. They were not lukewarm.

You should have said he claimed to have told the Pope. Is there some written evidence of such a claim? You have unquestioningly taken his word.

It was the wrong decision to become pope. The leaders of the Catholic Church should make the right decision to live a virtuous life and get married bishops to take over the church and never call a man a pope. Call no man father.

Vigano’s intention is clearly to serve Jesus Christ.

Is the faith of the brothers and sisters being strengthened by the Church leaders??????

I also found some common ground with Archbishop Viganò initially, bu this has wained. A bit off the point, I would be interested to hear you discuss the term "laicised", used in this video and that we hear fairly often. It implies that the status of the laity is a step down from that of the clergy, which I belive to be incorrect - and I, as a permanent deacon, am part of the clergy.

Tradition is where Vigano stands and can do no other

The German Church is not in Schism, because . . .

I love you ,all three, but you do need to learn to pronounce Viganò. A Catholic show commenting on the Vatican needs a modicum of knowledge of Italian ❤.

St Paul asks "If the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?" ( 1Corinthians 14,8) For the last few years the vatican trumpet has been making all sorts of strange sounds, the generals are giving contradictory orders and no-one knows what they're supposed to do.

Prophetic? What do you mean by prophetic? I mean even St Pius X spoke about the arrival of anti-Christ and the establishment of a one-world religion. Isn’t this revealed doctrine and obvious fact?

Let us pray for Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, who is in danger! The Antichrist of the end times has already arrived: "Let no one deceive you in any way. For unless the apostasy comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one doomed to perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god and object of worship, so as to seat himself in the temple of God, claiming that he is a god - do you not recall that while I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. But the one who restrains is to do so only for the present, until he is removed from the scene. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord [Jesus] will kill with the breath of his mouth and render powerless by the manifestation of his coming, the one whose coming springs from the power of Satan in every mighty deed and in signs and wonders that lie, and in every wicked deceit for those who are perishing because they have not accepted the love of truth so that they may be saved." (2 Thessalonians 2:3-10, Catholic Bible) Jesus Christ will come soon!

I think the papacy IS scared and they're trying to discredit and silence Bishop Vigano. I'm reminded of the Narnian Chronicles when Lucy, who was known for her honesty, said she had been to Narnia and no one believed her. Her claims were so outrageous that her family thought she was delusional, and they believed Edmund who was a liar. Same dynamics.

Vigano is a latecomer to the Traditionalist cause, perhaps because it provides him with a platform. He played an important role in exposing the McCarrick scandal. His slide towards sedevacantism is, perhaps, inevitable in current circumstances, but he has discredited himself through various actions and statements. Eccentric is a mild characterisation.

Do you think there was anything to the eucharistic miracle that occured in bergoglios diocese when he was bishop? Was the Lord trying to tell him something?

Wow Gavin, you couldn’t be more wrong. The bishops can absolutely get rid of this Pope he’s illegitimate he’s not the Pope and they can absolutely do what Catherine of Siena did

Typo in heading - Viagno

Whatabout? Whatabout? You have officially jumped the shark.

Cardinal Sarah spoke recently. Says faith in Europe dying or dead. The hope is if US and Africa can witness though young and maturing. (Bit rude to Poland)

Very soon we will all have to choose.

There is no pope on the papal throne. There has been no pope since December 2023.

Who blows their cover.

The Catholics called the other Catholics Protestants.

I don’t think we can be surprised.

Vigano can take on everybody at the same time. John the Baptist did and lost his head. Jesus Christ did and lost his life.

Great commentary as always. However. Gavin. Have you forgotten “let your yes mean yes and your no mean no?” Political sophistication can mask truth. Agree with Vigano or disagree with him. The only real question to me is whether he earnestly believes what he is saying. If he does. In these times, with all the disorder promulgated by the hierarchy for decades, I’d say charity toward earnest people is all that can be offered. Derision or even criticism when we are facing a complete logical break in continuity with the magisterium preceding Pope Francis in particular, and post V2 popes to a lesser degree generically has occurred. Pray for the church. I personally am in the camp of “recognize and resist”, that view is where I am comfortable but it, like all perspectives, has major logical problems. I cannot accept previous truths not being true anymore. God knows my heart and the limits of my comprehension. And whatever HE judges will ultimately be my fate. He knows I want to remain loyal to his will and what he created. But I cannot even pretend to be blind to obvious change. Pray for the church. Pray for Vigano. And pray for the conversion of Pope Francis

If we don't pray for the pope we will get what we have😢😮

The title bishop of Rome is correct however they must not be unmarried.

It would have been helpful to have summarised what Vigano has said since his 2018 report about McCarrick. Most of us don't know what he has said that is so 'extreme'. This has made it harder to form a view based simply on this discussion. Can you not make a video where you discuss what he has daid that is so 'out there' that he is discredited?