Vince Carter's 10-year beef with Toronto included Nelly, a possible body slam, and so many injuries 

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Episode 4? Oh man there's a long history of Mariners suckitude here but damn 🤣🤣🤣

@Alex C DC Fake injuries and fake surgeries 🤔

What's crazy is Vince was a superstar an is a future hall of famer an to me he still underachieved considering how good he was

fake injuries sissy

Anyone claiming fake injuries probably cant touch the net of the rim let alone rise 6 feet above it.

Person 2018 after playing semi pro basketball..... injuries are not funny at all

Joseph Green facts. He left for UNC the night before, attended the morning graduation ceremony, and fly into Philly in the afternoon for a night game. More than enough time.

I can see your view and the importance to his mom. Playing devil's advocate, he signed a contract for millions of dollars and has a lot of people depending on hin to be a peak health(mental, physical) for when he's needed the most. Shoot he should have made a donation to the school to move it to a later date

@@jDkaufman25 that job and that check will be there one day his mother wont

@@tregray4554 tip of the hat. Great point. I see your side and agree.

@@jDkaufman25 love when disagreements are resolved civilly

@MUFC when

@MUFC There will be no 2070 A.D

@MUFC wtf

@MUFC why

@MUFC no one cares

Just don’t listen to those morons. Media just want to stir trouble

lol

They were trying tk bring him down. He played good before his retirement

Toronto as a city is by far the biggest star potentiality reduction factory. Regardless of the sport, the media and the fans are so quick to send their athletes out to walk the plank.

This is literally devin booker this season.

You mean to say Toronto media isn't very nice to professional athletes? Colour me shocked.

they always do that...

Lot was Carter himself too

They made the comparison to every superstar swingman that came after Jordan. T-Mac, Kobe (RIP), Carter.

Nah, it was Vince's injuries that played the part. The fans up there hated players that can't play through the pain. They are still griping about the Kyle Lowry's recent injuries. So the hate is real up there.

Nah. That guy's a snake.

John Gedric Tudio And LeBron and Cleveland after The Decision

I get that type of vine for devin Booker

Lance Liverpool I think that beef was pretty much over when he came back and won them a title tho...

Sam Chernoff yeah some beef has a happy ending

200th like. I know what you're thinking.. Who cares

MUFC bro stfu soccer boring as hell lol.

@Eredin, King of the Wild Hunt Kkkkkk Soccer is the biggest sport in the universe. Basketball is great too, but you cant compare.

@MUFC you can always count on insecure soccer fans to come into every sports related thread to talk up their sport. Great, it’s popular, good for you.

@MUFC WTH? I agree with you but not the place to do it. This video is a tribute to basketball fans. It’s like showing up to a graveyard and celebrating a party. You’re not in the wrong, but man not in the right place.

You think that's half the reason Kawhi left?

Jekku1987 I would say Philadelphia is to be honest.

ShamaRanks! Tbh as a Toronto fan, no. Toronto sports media is absolutely brutal. Kawhi though was given a soft touch and loved since he delivered what no one had since Joe Carter in 93, a championship. I can rattle off plenty of athletes done wrong by Toronto media (especially Phil Kessel) but Kawhi isn’t one and tbh most fans don’t hold ill will against him for leaving. We understood from the beginning it was likely.

@@connorpierotti8242 Honestly Kawhi going to the clippers was the smartest move since it made the spotlight on him and leave the toxic media of Toronto to prevent any tampering on his fame that was given from his 1 year stint with the Spurs before going to Toronto.

@@playout4630 garbage opinion

Probably whole country Bc I bet many canadians are fans of the only Canada team

Vince leaving T.O. ushered in a long era of bad basketball that real Raptor fans will never forget. Mans that forgive him don't know the struggle.

@@MK-xi6xp This is incorrect. Not the part about bad basketball, it certainly was bad. But the forgiveness and love on both sides is what Toronto and Canada are all about. Said as someone who watched that struggle every step of the way.

@@jeffhodgson9578 I was there the whole way through. He retired today btw. There will be no forgiveness from me. Vince will always be the catalyst of what was the breaking point of my squad.

@@MK-xi6xp I don't blame you, but I'm sorry to hear you still feel that way. I used to hate him for all this too. Feels a lot better to let it go.

It is.

Canada*

Facts

1000%

We had the poor mans Jordan. That dumbass shot traumatized me. He was a good start but he had to go.

This is the problem when you don’t know what you’re talking about. The graduation he attended wasn’t even his graduating class, he could of easily attended the next graduation ceremony, it wasn’t a like he has to go or else he misses it.

Would have been to have broken that promise. Not of. The contraction would’ve sounds like “wood-uv” but is would and have. Not would and of.

​@@deleqtronica8733bro it's been 20+ years move on

Panther1 was/is

Great at early playoffs exits and highlights

@John Harlowe a two time gold medalist and 8 time all star is definitely a HOFer. You seem upset, I'm guessing you're a Toronto fan?

Samuel Gould Vince soft

Is 5 good years long ?

Optimus Prime asinine asi10 asi11 asi12 to

Agreed

Basically, the takeaway here is that some sportswriters are complete jack-offs. "How dare he go to his college graduation", "How dare he not compare himself to Jordan", "How dare he have a good relationship with his mom", "How dare he not play while injured", "How dare he dance while injured", "How dare he compare himself to Jordan", "How dare he not give up his All-Star spot to Jordan", "How dare he give up his All-Star spot to Jordan", etc. etc. This beef was almost 80% built by jackasses in the media. I include Charles Barkley in that.

dean smith was far more dedicated to teaching lessons in humanity than basketball ask anyone related to the UNC family be it former players or whatever

I remember when he announced he was going to graduation and would make it back for the game. Real Talk was a proud moment for many.

@Buddah Theepoet Nah, that should be Rudy Gorbert & Coronavirus vs NBA. 🤣

Dont wanna see that. This channel is always so unfair to the spurs.

Screw the spurs. Nothing without Duncan

@@brokenking5044 hes a coach now dummy. We still got good leadership, kawhi just wanted to play in la thats it.

a bit too early for that. But man, I despise what Leonard's camp pulled against the Spurs. He tarnished the team's excellent reputation of always taking extra care of their players, and also threw the team that built around him off course.

It's a weird thing to criticize someone for being a good son

​@@RVered There's a difference between being a good son and being a mama's boy. At some point you have to draw the line and make sure family doesn't affect the work environment. It's hard for us to say anything since we're on the outside looking in, but Vince admitted that the reason he went to his graduation despite having to play a game 7 that same day is because he wanted to keep a promise to his Mom, it cost them the game.

@@Sai4651 yeah you can look at that either way i guess the graduation was really important to the mother

@@DontDoCocaine Yeah, but you also got a responsibility to the team. I remember Isiah Thomas (Pistons one) also had a playoff game during his graduation, but his Mom went to accept the diploma in his place, so that could have been a potential alternative.

@@Sai4651 Do you think he would have played any better knowing he disappointed his mother like that? Basketball isn't real life. Mothers always come first

I forgot about those shirts and signs at NBA games people had during that time when Vince was always getting injured. "Half Man/Half Season"..it was an insulting play on one of his nicknames in Toronto. Mean spirited but was true at that time..also I'll admit it was funny.

Amazed the "HALF A MAN. HALF A SEASON" sign didn't make this.

That's not fair for Vince, not his fault he got seriously injured in his prime. Happened to Grant Hill, Rose, Tracy Mcgrady. Do they deserve boos? come on now

that was actually a popular newspaper headline back in the day

Drake would disagree LOL

Toronto was already a world class city before Vince. I mean the CN Tower is a symbol of our city.

@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodvue the what tower?

Ivander85 who cares lol

I think he meant for the nba bro

u still in daytona beach?

That’s not true. You seem to equate how much money one has, to indicate their level of achievement. That’s where you are wrong at. And that’s why you failed to “make it out”. Do you know you could be a Doctor, and accountant, and engineer, a business owner? The problem with black america is that you look up to that wrong people as role models.

@@jrsmith1998 nobody cares

@@1assassyn U are wrong. “Deez Nuts” cares. You Bozo 🤡

You may want to actually look up men from that area. A lot made it way bigger then Vince. But hey.

I know, its ridiculous. He came in, made the playoffs for the first time in franchise history. Then he leads the team to the first playoff series win, loses by 1 in game 7 to Iverson and the 76ers, and all he got was criticism the entire time.

Raptors FO traded away or let go of potential all stars in Marcus Camby, Chauncey Billups, and Tracy Mcgrady during or right before the Carter era. They were that bad.

@@spiidey1 Chauncey was one of my favourite players.

@@chop54321 The same thing happens to Luka, because people forget how young he is. The whole "no Rings" thing is kind of insane when the player you're saying it to is a guy in his early 20's doing a hard carry.

@@pewpew9193Right? And people saying Shai is the NEW superstar and S.A.S kept using the word “Kid” to describe Shai and saying things that makes people think Luka is “old” and not realizing that Luka is younger than Shai by 8 months. Bc he’s been good since rookie people thinks he has been in the league for 10 years😂

I didn't even realize I've watched it for 30 minutes, it was so interesting

Russ_Playz same bro

derpinated i feel that

yeah that is impossible.

lol

@@charlesbrown2011 That was the year before, we lost to Indy in the ECF this year

Back when the Knicks were good yes

No team should ever retire the jersey of someone who quit on them. Lowry is the only Raptor who should have his jersey retired if everyone who ever played for Toronto retired today

@@GamersCorner2134 Demar was amazing for 9 seasons + he didnt quit he wanted to stay

@@edwardplayzzz2675 incredible how nobody is talking about Demar here

@@GamersCorner2134 by this logic the cavs should never retire #23 or #2 ever

@@tan2750 yeah he quit on them twice lol

That's my type of dunk

@@ReeRap just make sure the camera's on

@@ReeRap no march 2021

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He should have done it right. Weeks ahead of time. Not 30 seconds before the staring lineup was announced during the in-arena intros. Even MJ was pissed.

@@tafttheraft5314 lol. Too bad MJ didn't help Vince like Kobe. VC could have been so much better having the same tools.

I use the all star spot to destroy the all star spot

a guy from nz 😂😂😂😂😂

@@tafttheraft5314 His airness didn't deserve it that year

Take a peek at the history of Toronto Maple Leaf stars. Toronto is a crazy sports city.

Really? Because I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be damned if he didn't go to his graduation ceremony, or if he didn't sit out so much his last season, or if he didn't LITERALLY HELP OPPONENT TEAMS

@@derek7762 I dunno... to me personally, someone who values and is willing to promote education puts him in a high esteem in my book.

@@VidGamer123 that's not the same as attending a graduation ceremony at all. He already got his degree

@@derek7762 Maybe so, but when you're a star basketball player and you appear for the graduation ceremony with all the other students, it sends an important message.

Darryl Mata lmao you wish. Toronto is a mega city in North America. Top 5 market in sports.

Toronto was already big.

Real Raptors fans are grateful. He gets standing ovations in Toronto now, I think as the years pass people forget the petty complaintsthey had but remember all the great things he did for the city

@@ChangeHumanity Vince MADE Raptors into a big basketball market in the 2000s.

*Already big when raps fans back then didn't even know when to cheer for their team because the majority of them are hockey fans.

Both things are true

They were made fun of at the time

Because NBA jerseys at the time kinda sucked.

Kylie McInnes literally some of the best unis in NBA history are from that era 😫😂

in the land downunder growing up a local team kids team had the same logo and it was the best thing ever

I'm 34 now, vc was always my favorite player. It was so disheartening when he admitted to not trying that hard in Toronto. The nets team was really good, they definitely should have performed better as well

It only lasted 3 years hahahaha

Boston has to accomplish something after he left to have any leverage on Kyrie who’s currently looking to win another ring on one of the best teams in the league

@@Cashmoneez That Brooklyn Nets team is a flop.

Reading comprehension wasn't your forte in school, huh? (Before the smartasses comment, it IS correct to use the term reading comprehension)

I learned that and also that Vince Carter didn’t really deserve to be on the cover of NBA Live 2004.

@@DaDualityofMan he was a dunk highlight machine. Once he posterized that 7 foot dude, he became immortal.

SpriteChan u a casual if u didn’t already know that

Lol how old are you? How do you not know that t Mac and Vince are cousins

This doc sucks.

25 seasons of high level competition. #vinnyRaps

When he eventually retires those knees are going to get a very very well deserved rest.

That’s why he still playing the man is a determined hard worker much to him.....

Cause he didn't play hard for number of years and then became a bench player

Settling into an easy going role player and then staying washed for a decade do wonders.

J-876 King nowhere’s near HALF the problem.

@Jared Taylor yep true

@@bombkita okay about 40% of the problem, but if you're gonna come back and say it's all on VC, then I recommend you actually watch the full 30 mins 🙄

Even if the management was better, the other half of the problem would still be there. Vince had talent and character, just not at the same time.

Keep in mind Masai also talked Kyle Lowry into putting his ego aside to become a star. A Masai-like figure could've helped VC then but nobody did.

Guess you missed where Cleveland burned LeBron jerseys and boo'd him for the next 3 years.

Country*

@@charleschamberlain5383 last i checked the title of the video says "Toronto" not "Canada"

@@noirceur_ yeah but it's pretty much the entirety of Canada

@@charleschamberlain5383 saying Toronto is almost the entirety of Canada is extremely ignorant. Canada is massive and has many major cities with a long storied history in sports and historical value. (and I'm not even Canadian).

Charlie Taaffe I’m not a Raptors fan, but I think the organization still recognizes that he put the Raptors on the map and the reason they are still around. I also see them retiring his number next year if he’s indeed hanging it up.

No question he had the biggest influence but way it ended he flat out quit. And regardless of him playing in toronto, Toronto would still have an NBA team.

Yeeeaaaahh, I dunno.

But Kawhi, the greatest to ever put a raptors jersey actually got the bounce to go in.

92-90 bro....

@@kx4998 yeah sorry lmao

@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodvue Nah.

@@lucasbell4831 Sorry but how is Kawhi not the greatest player to play for the Raptors? What player is better and has had a better year than him in a Raptor jersey?

It's pretty funny that not one but two MLSE-owned franchises have won championships in this last decade since the Bell/Rogers takeover. Even the MLS team has done three finals runs. The Maple Leafs, eh... they're on the right track with the Shanaplan but I think that's going to be a work in progress.

@@1billdorito Because winning sports = TV ratings haha

@@user-xi2if4tq2g Indeed, given Sportsnet is a Rogers property and TSN is co-owned by Bell and ESPN. Game 5 and 6 in Canada managed to surpass the Big Bang Theory finale, the Super Bowl, and the Oscars in ratings at the same time. All that money pours right back into MLSE and you can see why they want to win. I forgot in the minors the Raptors 905 and Marlies both have their respective championships in the last decade too. I'll be damned.

@@user-xi2if4tq2g Yeah, you'd have ratings in the Greater Toronto Area no matter what, but the rest of Canada isn't that big into basketball. Winning definitely sparked a lot of interest outside of Ontario and made a big ratings boost, whereas in the past, they would have played second fiddle to curling in the prairies.

Very well written and explained much better then the video that was 30mins long

@@ReeRap Jordan had passed up clutch shots early in his career as well. Jordan rarely took bad last second shots unless time didn't permit it, we just remember the times he won but he passed out of bad situations early in his career as well we just don't remember them because those were forgettable games. Also, it wasn't like Carter was passing to some young scrub, Dee Brown had been in the league for years, was a decent basketball player, had been in several playoffs and played well in several series with the Celtics, and had shot well from the three point line that year and had hit a game winning shot for them about a week or two earlier. When you are about to get a hard double team you would be stupid to take that kind of shot rather than passing it to an open veteran who has had some big games in playoffs before. Playing hero ball and taking a bad shot is stupid.

Didnt Jordan also setup BJ Armstrong

But didn't Jordan tell those guys that he'd be looking for them before they even got on the court? Vince's pass there was more of a "I got it, I got it! Whoops, nvm, you take it!"

@@StarryStarryNocturne it depended on how the defense played him, which is why you rarely saw Jordan take a terrible last second shot and most of his last second shots were one on one. The second he would get double teamed he would pass it up, no different than what Carter did. Carter passed it when getting double teamed to an open veteran teammate who had hit big shots before, including a game winner just a week or two earlier. Carter saw the double team coming and rather than force a bad shot he made the smart basketball play, which is precisely what he should have done.

@@markboston9303 it's the differing standards everyone likes to have. When Jordan passed to teammates at the end of games, making the smart basketball play, we cheer him for being unselfish, when other players do it we call them scared and say they choked because they didn't take the bad last second shot we all think Jordan would have taken despite the fact he never in fact played that way.

Masai and the core they have now 😶

Vince woulda been traded then 😂

Dude it was horrendous, some of the worst draft picks and trades I’ve seen in a long time.

Daniel M Mike babcock really set the franchise back for years because of his questionable trades and really dumb draft selections

@@amosports1506 The core - excluding Lowry - was built by Masai. So... Masai. 🙂

Kawhi

Still remember watching that game live.

small market lol

@@robbiescott4107 well he did put that in quotes. The point is that this is how the US media sees it regardless of the truth of that notion.

Toronto is huge

Toronto is not a small market

Yes that is Denis point, Americans think Toronto is small market "because Canada". In reality it would be one of the bigger markets compared to American teams

both against Philly in the East semifinals. It's like poetry, it rhymes.

Tá bom então

You’re a good man Mark

I like when they throw the ball and sometimes get it in the hole

_something something_ *MOSES MALONE*

@@RandySavag 😂😂😂😂

Have you seen my baseball?

Other media markets can be tough, but how many would wholly fabricate a story about a star player going to a hot dog vendor every day?

kessel was never the player the leafs needed. his playstyle isn't meant to be built around. he was a bad fit for a worse job. but he was also a slouch, and visibly gave up instead of asking to be traded. he wasn't a locker room darling for the pens either. his current stagnation in arizona should tell you what kind of player he is.

STLLR Kessel and Phaneuf were the best players in Toronto for years. And the media and fans treated them like garbage. They made Kessel out to be some lazy, fat loner. And then he got out, tore it up, and won two cups.

Toronto mediocre leafs....who cares ..

Its always a combination of Drama fueled Media, and Greedy MLSE.

well it depends if you like the person or not LOL

depends on how close. too close is creepy. too distant is sad.

Yes. But keeping family and business separate turns out to be the best move more often than not.

I'd rather have Vince and his mom attached than Derrick Rose and his idiot brother attached.

@@comedychrises nothing about his relationship with his mom would lead reasonable people to think that though. I feel like this is a case of media getting in their feelings due to lack of access by shoehorning the one thing they knew about his personal life into every single story, as has been heavily documented as a behavior by sports journalists. See: Barry Bonds.

Or perhaps KG vs the world?

Orrrr what would be better is KG and the Celtics managements

not much beef there because the wolves FO screwed up in the 1999 off season.

For 2 seasons at least, Vinsanity was the most popular & most influential basketball superstar, not just in the NBA but all over the world. Arguably more famous than Shaq, AI, Kobe, KG, T-Mac, Pierce, whoever, at that time. YES, HE WAS "THE NEW MJ" for a couple of seasons.People kinda forget that. All that fame only diminished when all that dramarama in Toronto happened and Lebron , D-Wade and Carmelo arrived.Many people forget that.

my friend used to shout "vince carter" when shooting hoops in 2000 😂

Uhm. Pierce is not a better player than Vince

_Penguins pfp goated😎

@@jondabasol4613 Pierce was selected to two more all-star games, one more all nba team and won a finals mvp

must be the money

D Wade would give him a 9

Why?

@Lance thanks bro, i was hella confused 😂

Vince Carter is the Michael Jordan when it comes to dunking.

That’s Zach LaVine, his dunks were way more impressive

Jordan Kilganon would like to know your location

SomeGuys’ Twin Brother until Zach straight up clears a 7 footer in the middle of a game and ends the man’s career, I refuse to believe that.

NBA in game dunker

I appreciate that heads up. Will take a look at it

such a good documentary ive watched it like 3 times and it doesnt get worse

🔥Zay97🔥 you’re sick for being here. I need more comps. Might have to take the 7 outta your name like Savon the do was.😂😂

@@terrancejohnson9108 😂😂😂😂 thats hilarious

I would like to watch that besides The Last Dance. 😉

Do you live in Brantford?

Luke Hewko I agree 100%

Truth

never forget Oakley missed a wide open layup in game 7

Not really, the tactics in the last few minutes change dramatically depending on who's winning. You can't say with any certainty who would have won if Oakley didn't miss a lay-up with 5 minutes to go in the 2nd. You can say with complete certainty that they would win if Carter made that shot. But you also can't say that Carter makes that shot if he didn't go to NC, we won't know how differently he would have played.

And if carter disnt attend his graduation to fulfill his PROMISE to his mother, i dont really think he's gonna play great. bc hw close carter with his mom, not attending his promis will affect his mental for sure

Lowrys still here

Yeah

😂