Vince Staples 90's Hip Hop Statement | DEHH Reaction Convo 

Smh how am I supposed to know what bumps In the whip if Feefo ain't here

I noticed when people talk about 90s hip hop, they take it as an opportunity to shit on modern hip hop. they usually take the best of the 90s and compare it to the worse of the 2000s.

Thank you Lil Jon for resurrectin' hip hop!

Thumbnail: When yo girl asks you to do the dishes.

This new guy was spitting some knowledge. Need him on more often

Basically when it comes to interviews, Vince is probably the biggest troll in the game next to Daylyt.

Yo Schoolboy lowkey chilling in the background 12:32

''I got opinions too'' -Modestmedia

I'm surprised Yoh has a reputation for stirring shit when he brought such a fresh and reasonable perspective to the conversation. Vince's opinions aren't hugely surprising, there are a lot of artists I know that have pretty 'bad' tastes in music. It's kind of counter-intuitive because you kind of expect artists to dig in crates and shit for inspiration or something, but I've found that most of them want to CREATE music rather than listen to and research it. I had almost no history with hip hop growing up but I'm a huge music nerd and have gone back and listened to tons and tons of albums and have grown that appreciation for the "classics"

I don't think they get that bow wow was cool as hell to kids born in the early 90's. He was a kid around our age that was rapping, most of the kids in my elementary school including me loved bow wow back then.

I can't respect an old head if he doesn't respect a youngin, simple. and the same thing goes for the youngins obviously

I dont understand how when your born has an affect on what music you can "get" or "understand" alot of music is feeling, time period doesnt matter. I was born in 94 and in 6th grade i went back and started listening to all the rap music from the late 80's through the 90's and instantly fell in love despite it not being from my time. not to mention my generation grew up in the internet era, i got so much hip hop from all eras and areas from youtube. but not just rap it applies to music in general I know people my age who listen to jimi hendrix, stevie wonder, marvin gaye etc. including myself. good music has no expiration date, it's timeless. period.

I don't understand why Hip Hop seems to be the only genre of music in which each new generation has do much trouble connecting/respecting the older generations who paved the way. Fans of rock music have no problem understanding why Jimi Hendrix is classic.

This dude in the red Atlanta hat had some knowledge! I feel exactly where he's coming from on having to teach yourself the culture. My parents never played hip hop growing up. I had to find out everything on my own

Old heads live in the past too much. They'll never think a rapper this era will be better than those from the 90s.

I'm a 80's baby and my favorite album of all time came from the 70's Let That Marinate

I was born in 86 and it was stuff like Bad Boy, DMX, Eminem and Snoop that got me in to Hip-Hop. I explored further and discovered the Rawkus stuff, groups like Gang Starr and MOP. Hip-hop is very self-referential and part of the fun is listening to the older records and discovering lines you've heard being scratched elsewhere. If you're a fan of music, the year it was "new" should be irrelevant. Greatness transcends generations.

Old music and new music is good

I think 90's hip hop nostalgia is annoying. I love 90's hip hop my mom is a hip hop head. But I can't stand when people say that there wasn't any shitty rappers or songs like today when there were.

I was born in 98 and I can easily appreciate 90s rap and the influence it has today. Don't think age is the issue. It's just the person's taste

ITs like a 90s artist dissin Afrikka Bambataa, its parts of hiphop that paved the way how can you not show respect or learn the history of the craft u choose to take on

People do dickride the 90s tho but i understand why people love it so much. Its because of lyricism and there needs to be more lyricist for todays rap

WTF Bow Wow slapped bruh Fresh Azimiz Lemme Hold you Outta My System Shortie Like Mine Lets not forget the all time slapper "BASKETBALL"

I agree with Kinge. I was born in 1990 NY and the albums that hooked me to hip hop was 50 Cent and Kanye West in the early 2000's. I went back and listened to 90's hip hop and I understand why those Wu Tang albums and tribe albums were influential however I prefer dipset, Cassidy, and Lloyd banks.

Not sure what Vince is thinking to be honest. I was born 94' , so only a year later than him & most likely started listening to Hip-Hop around the same time. Eminem, 50 Cent, G-Unit, Jah , DMX - All when they were poppin'. But as I learned about music.. I now see Illmatic, Ready To Die, Death Certificate , The Diary, Doggystyle, Chronic.. as all classics. My parents NEVER played Hip-Hop , they played Classic rock for my whole childhood. The 90's is EASILY the best ever and I definitely put them very high in the standings.

Born in '95. Grew up listening to a lot of early hip-hop. Like Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, LL Cool J, Sugarhill Gang, etc cause my dad used to be a DJ and he'd often play his records. Even though I was born in the mid 90s all if it wasn't the artists I listed previously, I was still listening to a lot of 90s artists. My uncle had me listening to Outkast, UGK, Three 6 Mafia, and other southern rappers. My mom had me listening to Snoop, Biggie, Tupac, Wu-Tang, Nas, Jay Z pretty much the popular rappers of the 90s. It wasn't until like...College Dropout when I started delving deep into artists that came to prominence in the 00s. With that I was able to get into N*E*R*D, Lil Wayne, Clipse, etc. I have a huge appreciation for 90s rap. I mean shit it's what I grew up on, but if I had to be honest, I'd take 00s hip-hop over 90s any day. More variety in sound.

I think it does have a lot to do with the era in which you grew up in. I grew up listening to BIG, Nas, OutKast, Tupac, Wu-Tang, Snoop, DMX, Lauren Hill, The Fugees, etc. So to go from that to Future, Migos, and Fetty Wap,? I find it difficult to see how they are popular. I remember growing up not understanding why Rakim, Run-DMC KRS_ONE, Big Daddy Kane, and Public Enemy were considered part of the golden era. As I got older and went back to those albums to listen to them I began to develop an appreciation for them.

I'd say that hip hop kinda came back around like 2004 especially since that The College Dropout came out that year and 2005 with The Documentary

I don't think he's saying he doesn't understand the appeal of 90's era. I just think he's saying that he doesn't understand why people are so stuck on the 90's era like it's the end-all-be-all of hip-hop and there was absolutely no great hip-hop after that era.

The end of 90's wasn't the death of Hiphop, it was the rise of Independent and Underground Hiphop (Rhymesayers, Def Jux, Stones Throw)

i was born in 93 and I love 90s hiphop. it is a bit different being born between the golden age and "bling bling" era.

Incoming angry old heads and young, pretentious hipsters.

I get what Vince meant. A lot of people blindly praise 90s hip hop. Being born in '95, I couldn't really experience 90s hip hop but I get its importance but I don't get the constant praise of it. You'll get crucified for having an indifferent opinion about the 90s. Y'all are 100% right about early 2000 era not shedding light to the 90s tho. My generation really didn't start praising the 90s until late 2010 or maybe a little earlier than that..

i agree with almost everything you guys said in this convo. i was born in 96 and i grew up listening to mid 2000 hip hop. i am just went back and listen to a lot of the 90's music this year because of hearing from you guys and other rappers in interviews talk about the greats (a lot of which i didnt know existed). i love and appreciate most of the albums ive listened too but i had to sit with them and digest them in order to understand them. i did not like them at first listen but it was because i was so accustomed to this era of hip hops sound.

Myke pulled the "He's just young, he wouldn't understand that music" I can't stand when old heads pull that trope, shit is so patronizing

What used to be Hip hop is now mostly underground music. Sonically, the sound changed and its good to see artists like Joey bada$$ and Oddissee still getting fame through using the traditional sound and showing respect to those before them, Vince staples saying what he did shouldn't be taken as offensive by the old skool but merely an ignorant statement from someone who will learn as his career progresses.

I thought my notifications were lying when I saw this because the topic is so old haha

I was born in 69. When I was young I liked and appreciated some of the stuff my parents listened to. I was exposed to different types of music.

I think what Vince was saying was that he doesn’t get why it’s infinitely praised, barely criticized, and always held above him and his contemporaries to the point where the worst 90’s MCs get held above the best 00’s and 10’s MCs

I was born in the mid-90's so I grew up on 2000's hip-hop and didn't really go back to listen to 90's hip-hop until I was much older. As someone who grew up on the new millennium rap, I think it's important to at least RESPECT the hip-hop of the 90's even if you don't necessarily like it because it's that music that shaped and influenced the rappers of today. 90's hip-hop served as a basis to what we listen to today and the rappers we all like of today.

I agree with myke on damn near every discussion and review

I'm Vince Staple's age, 22. And much like Vince I didn't grow up with 90s hip hop. Back in the 9th grade I started listening to Biggie and Pac, and through those two i discovered so many other 90s rappers. From that moment on I fell in love with the 90s, and went back and started listening to the 80s giants like Rakim, Krs, G-rap, and Slick Rick. I did extensive research on Hip-Hop, because I didn't want my search for good music to stop there, and my curiosity took me to a point where I started to fall in love with the culture at such a young age. Plus I fell in love with hip hop at a time when the whole ringtone rap era started to permeate, and I just couldn't get down with that because a lot of what was coming out around that time sounded corny as hell. So i decided not to jump on that bandwagon. Even now with Drake, Rick Ross, Meek Mill, and Future, I can't get into them because between them and I there's a disconnect. So in my opinion Vince's beef with 90s hip hop is that he just doesn't like it, and it's a matter of personal taste. I wouldn't say he doesn't like 90s hip hop because he didn't grow up with. Like I said we're the same age, and I love the 80s and 90s. I don't think being born in a certain era has nothing to do with it. For me, whatever sounds good I'll listen to it. I like artist that put enough effort into their craft, regardless of what era of music they come from. Just recently I just got into Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, The Temptations, and Al green. And these guys were waaaaaay before my time. But I give their music a listen because to me it sounds good. It has soul, it has passion, and there's talent.

I think Kinge's point is that the younger generation should make an effort to understand why they are great, they should educate themselves until they at least understand why they are classics in the genre even if they don't love the music. It's part of the history of the culture. You don't have to enjoy all of it but obviously there's something special about those classic albums and Kinge thinks it's important to have an appreciation of that. I was also born in 91, to me The Eminem Show is my illmatic and even though i developed a better appreciation for it later, when I went back and listened to Illmatic for the first time and wasn't blown away by it the way the hype suggested i also didn't understand why it was so praised. One of the topics that wasn't explored fully in the convo was the concept of context. When those classic albums were coming out, they were something no one had ever heard before. No one had done what these artists were doing when those albums dropped. Fast forward 20+ years and it's not as edgy or unique as it once was. The production isn't as innovative and the rap style isn't as groundbreaking. When these albums are viewed out of context it only makes sense that they wouldn't be considered as amazing as they were at the time because now... they are just any typical album, even though in reality they set the very trend for what would become typical. At the time they didn't have to compete in quality with every other amazing rapper they may have influenced in the passed 20 years but now they do. But as a member of the younger generation myself I do think it's important to go back and try to apply that context to those albums and try to understand just want made them special and to just enjoy the musicality of it. Even if you don't like or understand it the first go around you might develop a taste for it, which if you're an artist can only be beneficial to you. I think it's always a good thing to get into more styles of music that you may not have gravitated to in the past. Plus it's all just music, it's meant as a form of entertainment and expression. It's worthy of being passionate about and debated about but it's not worth getting upset or angry over because that kinda defeats the purpose. At the end of the day it's Vince's opinion and it effects no one but Vince.

I find this interesting because not only am I just 17 years old but Im also from the UK as a fan of Hip-Hop. When being surrounded by websites such as complex and meta critic, I have discovered the so called classic albums of the 80's and 90's era to which I didn't grow up in. I listened to Illmatic, Ready to Die, All Eyez on Me, The Chronic, 36 Chambers and many more at the age of 14 and have since learned to love and appreciate them. So if I can do it, I don't really understand how a successful lyrical rapper in the game such as Vince Staples could not be able to even understand the movement and influence that the 90's era brought to Hip-Hop.

As a 19 year old Hip Hop fan, I appreciate Hip Hop from every Era. The issue with newer fans is that they don't understand Hip Hop. You can't say you like a Genre or anything without knowing and appreciating that History. I don't get how younger fans don't understand this. Typically it's just their ignorance of "Who needs this old shit". I get C-Town defending the mentality of liking whatever you like, but you cannot sit their and say that "Hip Hop has a time limit, and you have to be born in a certain time". Music is timeless. I'll also say that old fans are also fickle in a sense. Some of them won't give spitters like Earl Sweatshirt a chance simply because of age. Music is timeless. If it's good, it's timeless. As someone from this Generation, I do not feel you can justify an enjoyment for a Drake over a Tupac. Each side of the spectrum has shitty fans. Sure, you can like something sonically, you can resonate with a beat and I respect a persons opinion on that. However it baffles me that people of the younger generation are so quick to jump into hyperspace with the notion that "Hip Hop isn't just lyrics", yet you buy a Drake album and covet him when his only contribution is the lyrics and the shit being said; fuck he doesn't even write the lyrics most of the time. Hip Hop is not like any other genre. It's highly derived around originality. What newer rappers and fans alike do not get is that you need originality and you need flavor. If all you listen to Hip Hop for is the beat, then do not consider yourself a fan and do not try to spark any kind of discussion about Top 10 Rappers. How about "Top 10 producers" instead since "Hip Hop isn't just lyrics". Do not confuse Hip Hop with Pop. Lyrical content is just as, if not more important in Hip Hop than the Production. Granted that when Herc first came up with Hip Hop, it was just a beat; but gradually over time, Emcee-ing has become the central part to the Genre of Hip Hop. You don't see the Producers accepting the Grammy's for the Hip Hop album of the Year. They aren't even nominated. The label goes to the Emcee. Young Hip Hop fans need to stop bull shitting and step their games up if they're "True fans", and likewise the Older Generation should give the newer Generation the credit due, because this Newer Generation of Spitters are a force to be Reckoned with.

I guess since my introduction to hip-hop was conscious lyrics, when I went back to listen to the old stuff it was amazing. For him to say his favorite rapper was Bow-Wow tripped me up.

I think a lot of the 90s classic hip-hop albums have kind of a "you had to be there" thing going on. I think Illmatic is a good alum, but me not being from NYC or growing up in that era, I can't really connect with it on that level so I'll admit I don't really understand why it's what makes it a "classic" album besides just having a good tracklist.

I'm 17 and my favourite artist is Kanye. But when I first heard "The World is Yours" it blew my mind. I can appreciate a Nas, and a Rae Sremmurd. I can relate to Vince a little bit tho, because in my opinion, while the 90s set the blue print, the innovation that the 2000s brought with guys like Kanye is almost equally as impressive

13:47 is classic Myke - "...Why is it any of your fuckin' business what I'm listening to on my iPod? Worry about yourself... Why are you calling me?! You ain't got shit el... Go make a album!" Ken - "Well he has, he has... he did I think ..." Myke - "Well go make two! Leave me the fuck alone!" I fuck with NORE but that was hilarious. 😂😂😂

This is such a good conversation. Hip-Hop was thought of initially as a fad. There has always been fun rap, conscious rap, truth rap, and just str8 garbage rap in EVERY ERA. Hip-Hop grew into a bona fide genre around '98. This is highly due to the huge cultural impact of NWA, 2Pac, Notorious B.I.G and the aftermath of the deaths. I was born in '87 and am a huge Sam Cooke fan. Music hits people differently. My parents were young when they had me and we listened to Isley Brother,Maze Parliament and Run DMC, Kurtis Blow. So these things differ from person to person. Being from Atlanta and hearing rap before Outkast put the city on the map we heard music from every region and vibed with everyone.

Run The Jewels, Kanye West, Kendrick Lamar, J.Cole, Drake, Earl Sweatshirt, Tyler the Creator, Mac Miller, Travis Scott, Logic, Action Bronson, Mac Miller, Vince Staples, Childish Gambino, Chance The Rapper, Vic Mensa, Joey Bada$$, A$AP Rocky, A$AP Ferg, Flatbush Zombies, Schoolboy Q, Jay Rock, Ab-Soul, Isaiah Rashad, Lupe Fiasco, Mick Jenkins, Flying Lotus/Captain Murphy, Thundercat, Danny Brown, The Game, Pusha T, Death Grips, and Clipping. Any suggestions for modern rap artists to listen to??

This convo needs a part 2! The hommie Yoh was a great addition to the cast. Great commentary fellas. Keep em comin.

I think kinge is saying you don't gotta like it but respect it .

I think this was a great conversation. I think my one flaw with DEHH is that it always seems like it's coming from an old head's state of mind. That's not a bad thing mind you, but I think that there are moments when it seems like a younger person would've added more perspective, I mean shit the youngest guy in the group is still in his thirties, so I think Yoh was able to add a unique viewpoint that probably wouldn't have been approached by anyone else in the crew. Approaching this topic from a younger state of mind. Great video guys and definitely keep it up!!!

I'm glad Yoh is just a guest.....I agree with Ken though. Part of what makes an album a Classic is that it's timeless. It doesn't sound old or outdated when you listen to it 10 years later. There are plenty of kids who go back and listen to the classic albums and even though they have never heard them before they usually end up liking most or at least some of them. And even if they for some reason didn't happen to like them they could understand why people held them in high regard

Personally, as someone who was born the same year as Yoh I understand where he's coming from with some of his points on names of rappers & albums that were significant during the 90s era or 80s era. But at the same time I can relate to Kinge, Myke, and Beezy when it comes to listening to older records whether I was in the car, a family member's house, or at a reunion. A few older relatives including my brother put me on to Hip-Hop music that came out during earlier years and while I was still a baby. My brother and I got a taste of the 80s & 90s Hip-Hop on our own as kids growing up during the 90s by watching BET, MTV, VH1, and VH1Soul. Even as time moved on into the '00s, I would listen to the current stuff but I still found myself going back into the older records to check out what I had missed out on. Pretty much, it's who put you on to the music (previous/current generation) and taking the time to research older music on your own if you didn't watch music videos/listen to the albums or song when they came out.

Personally I really enjoyed having a younger person in the mix with this conversation. Even when Feefo is there I think bringing on young guests to conversations like these would be a good idea

As a 24 year old, my generation is kind of split. I understand not necessarily listening to older music all the time (I can't say I GREW UP on 90s hip-hop), but I do think there has to be an ability to appreciate it. I do go back and I love a lot it. I try to judge the albums without bias from either direction, but do try to be empathic to the times. It's like history, and understand how we came to be where we are today. My main issue w/ Vince's statement isn't just that it seemed more like "shade" than asking for someone to really break it down or reference things for him, it's the fact that he's a rapper. I know I'm expecting a lot, but I figure that pro's who care about their art should be students of the game. I'm sure Todd Gurley went back and watched tape of Gale Sayers and that Lebron went back to watch Oscar Robertson. It's just something that I expect from lyricists I guess; to be students of the game. BUT I feel that he actually brought that comment up, to prop up today's music. Well the good stuff (or maybe the bad stuff too, since he likes Bow Wow lol). Using the same method when people shit on today's to prop up the 90s.

Vince was born in '93 and can't understand the importance of '90s hip-hop. I was born in '84, some of my favourite albums are from the '80s. One word - ignorance. I was a white kid from England and I could get hold of the important tapes and CDs from the era before and that was not easy. He has the internet, he could spend a day doing his research and be all up-to-date. You have to know where you've been to know where you're going.

I was born in 1991 too I love you guys and how you reference 90's albums that I need to hear more of thank you for this conversation could relate 100% with yoh and his views you should have him on again and talk about how 90's era was because I really want to understand more of how it influenced your guys' music taste and inspiration

It was some hot shit in the 2000's Jayz dropped fire NORE dropped fire Eminem dropped fire 50 dropped fire Jeezy man the list goes on

2000's+ rap caught me first, because my intro to the genre was purely as a consumer coming from a context that had little-to-nothing to do with "authentic" hip hop culture. 2000's hip hop - for better or for worse - catered to that demographic without apology. I think the 90's era speaks especially to those who feel a certain cultural commitment to the genre and Vince doesn't seem very preoccupied with trying to be that guy. He's been designated as one of the torch-bearers of "worthy hip hop," but I don't remember a single line or comment given by him directly where he makes it known that that's his motivation as a rapper.

I dont think you can just listen to a hip hop album from the 90's and say well.... Ok, i can understand why that's a classic. U might say its a really good album but may not understand why sumthin is classic. Research is very important, especially if you didnt live in or fully remember that era. I was born in 91 and during my early years I heard a lot of what people call classic 90's hip hop. When i got a bit older I started to do more research as far as understanding the impact that these albums had becuz i didnt fully understand. Yea i thought these albums were awesome only from listening to them and being amazed at what i heard but I didnt understand everything else behind it. Now that im older i appreciate these albums more bcuz i decided to do my homework. The Chronic and 36 chambers were among the very first hip hop albums i ever listened to but i wasnt old enough to see the impact it was having on the world. I do believe Vince is a very pretentious dude who likes to say controversial things to bring importance to his name. My generation is very good at dismissing what came before them and I think that in order to build the culture up even more we cant ignore the past and what came with it. We dont have to be stuck in the past but appreciate those who laid the foundation for the music that you love so much. Hip hop is a little over 40 years old and so much has happened in that time frame and if u say u are a part of the culture i dont see how u can be ignorant or dismiss the first 25 to 26 years of hip hop. U cant have a rae sremmurd or a soulja boy witout havin a kriss kross or kid n play. U wouldnt have a Kendrick Lamar or J cole witout a Nas, Pac, or Jay Z. You wouldnt have a Pac or Jay Z witout Big Daddy Kane and KRS One.

I grew up listening to Gospel music, Jazz, & some r&B and pop. I knew Kirk Franklin, Fred Hammond, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Alex Bugnon, Earth Wind & Fire and Frankie Beverly & Maze. My interest started from hearing DMX, Ludacris, Nelly, & Eminem on the radio and eventually sparked my interest enough to research people like one of my fav artists which is Nas

I'm 18 and my favorite hip hop Era is 90's era as it has incredibly classic music that I could go back and listen to at any time, so i honestly get the place he's coming from but I really don't get what vince is saying, even my top 5 is all 90's rappers.

really liking yohs comments on the whole situation, he bringing knowledge, need him on more often tbh

“Lil Jon resurrected hip hop.” Myke C-Town

all my favorite 90s rappers were in their prime back in the early 2000s

Everyone born in the 90's loved bow wow especially if you grew up around strict parents . He was a literal superstar . Lets not act like Bow didn't have hits.

I grew up in the 90's and I love it. It's the best to me because of the lyricism with dope beats rappers then where like in a battle with the beat. Word play ridiculous, but I also love 80's hip-hop. That era too was ridiculous. I also like music from the 70's, 60's, 50's and 40's and I understand why they all have songs that are held as a high regard. Just know history learn something. See the music understand the time and then you appreciate music more. It's not rocket science.

I'm a 22 year old white dude who's mom played country when I was a kid, I was way the hell further removed from 90s rap as anyone else and those 90s albums and artists are some of my favorites, idk how Vince doesn't get it man

I understood Vince's PoV as well as Kinge's and I respect both. I'm 21 years old (born in 94 and was 5 by 1999) and personally love 90s hip hop. I took it upon myself to go back and into the depths of the internet to find the "classic" and critically acclaimed albums of the 80s and 90s and I fell in love with them. I've also fallen in love with some of the critically acclaimed albums of the past few years. I did not exactly grow up on hip hop, but all I remember was hearing radio stuff that my classmates would play, and I never liked it. No big deal. That's why when I was 16 I decided to do some research. I've only come around to enjoying the modern music from around 2012 until now. I don't care nor know too much about early, mid, and late 2000s. It's mostly 80s, 90s, and 10s hip hop that I've immersed myself in, with a few scattered 00s albums. So, I was not influenced in the era I grew up in (2000s), NOR the 90s because I didn't really dig music like that, in general. And I was only 5 years old by 99 and all I cared about was playing with my toys and video games. I don't remember and I didn't live to really enjoy 90s music back then. I made the choice as a teenager to ignore most of the mainstream and pop rap and find the so called gems of the past decade. It wasn't until TDE came out that I got into modern hip hop music. So all of this is subjective. Like Myke said, we don't really know his background with exposure to older music... he had a different upbringing and that's fine. Totally fine. And I respect that.

before watching the video this is how I feel. I'm 18 years old and I think 90s hip hop is the best rap has ever been. I don't have a problem with what vince said. but I will say this as a basketball fan, would you say Jordan isn't the greatest because you weren't around when he was?

Sometimes I really can't understand how King thinks, but it does bring up interesting convo.

I feel like it's a bit ignorant/disrespectful to the art to call yourself a hip hop artist/hip hop head and say "I dont understand how these 90s albums are held in such high esteem". I was born in 91. Like Beezy said, College Dropout was like my Illmatic basically. But I still went back to listen to all the classics. 36 Chambers is one of my favorite albums. Tribe is one of my favorite groups. Not just because it's good music but I learned the background as to why those things were important for hip hop. There are plenty of artists who are considered legends that I feel pretty lukewarm about but I still get that they influenced other artists and can hear how the evolution progressed. Like a NWA or Big Daddy Cane. I'm not super in love with them but is it that hard to get why they were so important for their social and economic situation of their time? I really dont think it is with a little bit of research. or just listening to different artists from the time paints a good picture. For an artist to say he doesn't understand how some of the classics of the 90s are classics, then I find that ignorant. He doesn't have to like them of course but it's like he's choosing to ignore the history of the thing that he's living off of. I took an art history class. There are plenty of paintings we would study and i would think were boring looking or garbage, but it's not hard to understand the background of it and why people of the time loved it and consider it a big part of the evolution of a style or genre. Abstract and contemporary art gets a lot of shit for looking too simple because people don't take the time to learn about it. Which is fine if you dont want to, but you have no right to really speak about it then.

It all depends on your surroundings and who was playing what around you. My friend who's the same age as me (25) just got into 90's hip hop in 2013 and he was reacting to the The Score by The Fugees as if it just came out yesterday. And it was his first time hearing it. But when he was a kid in the late 90's all he heard was gospel and didn't start hearing rap until the early-mid 2000's. So all the music he's now hearing from the 90's is like new to him but not for me since I grew up on that time period of music as well as the early-mid 00's

This era is so weird and your age has absolutely NOTHING to do with the kind of stuff you should or should not like I mean I'm 20 I love Wu Tang, Tribe, Gangstarr etc I don't really have a favorite rapper of this era but I always try to respect new music even Future's stuff I mean he's not lyrical or whatever but I appreciate the fact that he makes club bangers but the 90's being overrated does have some truth to it because there's waaaaaaaay too much people who think that bad rappers and commercial songs weren't a thing in the 90's I think the big problem nowadays is romanticizing, trying to selectively remember parts of the 90's that were good but at the same time trying to forget about 1998 when shit got lame

I understand the bow wow statement. when bow wow was hot he made music which appealed to people Vince's ages. it's one of those things that takes you back to your childhood. it's nostalgic to him.

get my popcorn Beezy is gonna participate in this one

Love when I see these convos pop up on my feed randomly. DEHH puts out some of the best content on RU-vid period.

I'm with Ken . And Beezy hit it when be mentioned Tribe and how his dad liked the Jazz influences from past records cause Hip Hop always resurrected and showed love to what came before. Not much at all today

This was an interesting convo and really good end of the year discussion. It's interesting to see how the generational shift of hip hop/rap and the globalization of hip hop/rap has sparked these conversations. For some of us 90s babies the feeling you got when albums like get rich or die trying or college dropout came will never be comparable to someone who was a teen in 93/94 and illmatic, ready to die or 36 chambers came out. Truth of the matter is its all about the era you grew up in. You can appreciate earlier stuff but you don't necessarily have to be a super-fan of it. I really think as hip hop matures as a genre and the sound changes so does the definition of what a classic album is... with respect to the audience at the time

Chief Keef would body 90% of 90s rappers.

guys you guys are feeding us too much. Christmas killed me. I can't handle no more dead end hip hop fam. thanks for the eats!

22:45 "Lil Jon resurrected hip-hop" - Myke C town 2015

The thing you guys need to take into consideration is what I call "the digital age". I'm 17 years old and yeah I was listening to all of my parents old 80s music as a child, but I had a computer pretty soon. RU-vid allowed me to travel to different generations with the click of a button so at age 9 the first hip hop I stumbled across was M.O.P and I fell into a deep love with it. From there I listened to Ganstarr and Busta Rhymes and the more I heard the more I discovered. And the Internet made this so easy. Our generation has no excuse to not love 90s hip hop because we have easily open accessibility to it. I could stumble across a Ghostface Killa project almost as easy as stumbling across an Action Bronson one thanks to the power of the Internet

Imo best hip hop eras 1) 2015+ 2) 1993-1998 3) 2002-2006 4) 2006-2012 (the deadest era)

I was born in 94 but i had a uncle who played older rap around me all the time. So to me age doesnt really matter, its about the environment you grew in. Also rap is a young mans sport. its out with the old in with the new. So when the music aint hot no more its easily forgoten. like 20 years from now i dont think an artist like drake will mean that much to people of the future. In rap its all about whats hot now.

Age shouldn't affect anything if you love hip hop. I'm was born in 97; just turned 18 and I know for a fact why the 90's are considered the golden era. Lyrics, innovative product ion, along with a more soulful sound. Non of my parents played any classics besides maybe Dr Dre and some snoop, but I still had the urge to know the history of the genre I love. Personally, I believe that that the early 2000s was terrible for rap beside Yeezy Nas, and Jay to an extent. I know my research of all these classics may have been easier because of the internet, but still.

I'd have to agree with K, here. There reasons why someone in this era would understand why 90s hip-hop is exalted are because of the production values or the music, the pride and drive to produce a quality album where songs that weren't good-to-excellent didn't make the cut, and the pride in lyrical content and emphasis on a wider range of emotional expression -- anger, disappointment, joy, love, desire for higher consciousness, joy, etc. Yes, the sound was different, but good quality is good quality. For example, Stevie Wonder's "Songs In The Key Of Life" was sonically different than "Thriller", but the vast majority of people from the Michael Jackson era would also say that "Songs In The Key Of Life" was good music, although they may not listen to it because it's style wasn't current.

I don't get why Hip-Hop artists are hating the older generation of artists. I mean other genres of music you don't really have people talking shit about the older generation.

I think the key point is that if you are going to make money off of something like hip hop you should have enough respect to understand the history. You don't have to like it, but you should understand it.

these "Notification squad" comments that I see under every fucking video are corny as fuck.

And once again I agree with everything thing Ken said. Dude almost said what I would have word for word

2010s > 90s

Both sides are valid. Vince may not have been taught 90s Hip-Hop or explained the dynamics of it all to understand why that decade was of importance. Also, it's very true that 90s Hip-Hop kept Hip-Hop, as a whole, alive. In the 80s people in and out of the industry assumed that Rap was too much if a novelty act. It didn't help that you had R&B guys shitting on Hip-Hop as well. I disagree with some of the reasons why the music changed around the late 90s. It wasn't because people "got tired" or wearing "hoodies and timbs". Not all of 90s Hip-Hop was that. There was a good amount of fun in Hip-Hop (Pharcyde, Tribe, Leaders, Beastie Boys), there was a good amount of consciousness (Kam, Ice Cube, Common, KRS-One, De La Soul) and there was a good amount of hood music (M.O.P., Wu-Tang, Jay-Z, Nas, Snoop Dogg). You had the few exceptions of pop as well (Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, Kris Kross). You had a melting pot of music and not every artist stuck with one frame of mind of music. I do believe that Bggie and Tupacs death got everyone not wanting to make the same music anymore and with the addition of Jam Mastery Jay, Big L and Big Bun going out, it made things even worse. Nas's late 90s music was affected by his mother about to die and his albums being heavily bootlegged. Death Row was imploding by the late 90s. Groups were fighting amongst themselves or members started having families. All of those factors are what drowned out the good music with the bad. So with so many talented artists being distracted or making more radio friendly music to satisfy their label, it made it easier for a horde of Southern Artists to get noticed that normally would've never been noticed before. Not all of them were terrible but a majority of them clearly had no talent whatsoever regardless of the subject of their music. But back to Vince. Although he's relatively a baby, so it's understandable why he doesn't get it, at the same time, HE IS an ESTABLISHED artist, who has a vast amount of Hip-Hop history at his disposal. Whether it be through a computer, laptop, cellphone or ipod. It's almost impossible in his situation to not have heard 90s music and then go in an interview and say he doesn't get it. To me, when you put into account his level of success and how long he's been a known artist, it felt like he heard enough 90s Hip-Hop and his TASTE in music is what made him say he doesn't get it. I think him saying what he said as a new artist might be something you let slide but being as though he's been doing music long enough that for him to make that statement, to me he knew exactly what classic albums of the 90s sounded like but still felt like he didn't get the allure of it.

What's the name of that song in the introduction? I think it's original a miles Davis song.

The thing about a lot of these nineties classics is that they were so profound at the time because the lyrics and instrumentals were cutting edge and a huge step up from previous iterations of the genre. However, since then, ignoring the horrible tangent in the early 2000's, rap has progressed dramatically. Currently lyricism and instrumentals are so advanced that the average rapper has beats and rhymes on par with what was big in the nineties. A lot of what was game changing in hip hop back then feels like old hat at this point, so modern listeners have a hard time identifying what's so special about those albums that broke barriers in their time.

If i did this review I would show ever album from 90s then compare to the 2000s. This doesn't do enough to justify a point. Me personally I'm 100% for the 90s. There was motivation, purpose, and educational moves by all the artist as a whole. 0% with the 2000% to much glamorizing money, hoeing for both males and females, fucking other dudes women and strippers... Like when has that ever been cool? Thanks mom & dad that I got the opportunity to grow up in the golden era.

They say that 00s rappers would say if it wasn't for the 90s rappers they wouldn't be there. 90s rappers would say the same exact thing about 80s rappers.