We need more Francie in this channel. Besides being a natural on camera, she brings a different perspective to the reviews, the one of a normal EV user, not of a super nerd
Francie is great. I think she's not on the channel.much because she lives in TN. Just not conducive to being featured in videos that are mostly filmed here in CO.
Good lord . Thirsting . But no seriously she is good but I do come to this channel for the nerd . Vanilla I can get elsewhere . But she can make the vanilla channel . Short and neutral. But i like Kyle’s view . The details matter .
And I live by the out of spec charging mantra of more often stopping less time charging. If I followed my teslas wants it would have me stopped a few times but for long periods of time ! Pass ! 0-50 on road trips at high speed is my way !
I appreciate how Kyle will quickly change his mind when facts change. He thought the VinFast was garbage but the improvements are legit and he recognizes them.
It still needs some refinement mainly on the software side. Its getting annoying having to disconnect the battery 2-3 times a week to reset it even with the newest update.
I saw some VinFast in a Store window in Berlin today. I was surprised, was a very good and expensive location. The cars looked good (green and red). Even better than in the videos.
Interesting info. Can you do a test drive vlog and upload on RU-vid ? I wish to know if cool AC or heater can idle in "Camping or Pet Mode" for 8 hours. Thanks
It looks like the Vinfast VF8 is shaping up to be a competent EV crossover, comparable with Toyota bz4x and VW ID.4. It won’t appeal to EV enthusiasts, but it’ll be fine for a family as an around town or commuter car with the occasional holiday weekend road trip. They just need to build out their dealer and service network and they should be fine.
It’s a first EV for many where I live because the lease rates are so attractive. Under 500$ mo CDN tax in zero down 48 months. This isnt something you keep long term
Maybe comparable to Bz4x but the ID4 (especially the 24s) outclasses the V8 in every single way: better charging, power, efficiency, range, comfort, driving dynamics, features, build quality, fit and finish, etc. ID4 gets a bad rep because of the software issues on the early models but those problems have been resolved.
Occasional holiday weekend road trip only? short or long? Others EV car, SUV were proved that you can take them many holidays road trip, long or short distance was no problem. Should people choose Vinfast or others?
Glad Kyle has changed his attitude towards VF8. That's a positive thing. VF8 is still young and still needs a lot of advice. It is this channel that gives honest advice. Soon, VF9 will arrive in America. Prepare to compete with the Rivian next to the VF8. I didn't know about Kyle until my friend explained that it was Kyle who gave the VF8 to Franci. And at that time, he had a lot of complaints about VF8. So his attitude proves that VF8 is changing positively.
The Vinfast Vf8 is quite heavy compared to the Tesla Y (Vf8 5,732 lbs, Tesla Model Y 4,154-4,404 lbs). Reality shows that the Vf8 car is very solid. So the Vf8 car is very safe in a collision (You can watch the Vf8 Euro NCAP safety test video). The car is heavy so it's understandable that the speed increase and energy consumption per mile is not too impressive.
@@randallgibson4598 they work together as a group, and each is assigned a car to provide reviews. She didn’t want to switch out of the VF8 because she happens to like it. Kyle may not like the VF8 like Francie, and everyone is different
@@quangvinhnguyen333 I did a review myself and it does still have issues. One being continued software issues and for me the biggest issue is the pedal tuning. You hit the accelerator and the latency is very noticeable. The pedal dead zone is awful as well. For whatever reason the rear suspension sags and the VF8 sits nose high. The degree of sag seems to vary from model to model. The real problem is off a cheap lease there is absolutely no reason to have one long term. Its not a bad vehicle but doesn’t strike me as something id want to have more than a few years. Yea I like it, its different and totally not that bad
@@simplygregsterev Perhaps Vinfast should quickly bring VF6-VF7 there. In particular, VF7 is the best car in the Vinfast model and the price is also cheaper than VF8. VF7 is only slightly smaller than Vf8.
I am doing road-trip from Sacramento to Las Vegas and back with more than 1200 miles total during the 117-degree heat spell the entire 4-day trip. The EV infrastructure for non Tesla EVs in the U.S. could be much better than current. Spent more than 4 hrs after midnight hopping between two EA stations in the busy Las Vegas strips, both have several cars waiting in line, and each has 2 pumps not working out of 6. My VinFast VF8 Plus performed well so far during the entire trip, with AC set at 72-75 at all time. I learned to avoid letting the battery level dipped below 30% is possible and charge more often to avoid the battery get overheated. I noticed the battery will get cooler while driving, from 118 after charging to 94%, to 100 after driving for 40 minutes.
@@vutran3183you are everywhere on the net smearing VinFast and bullying the Vietnamese VF8 owners. And you are a Vietnamese. I bet you are too coward to pick on a western VF8 owners.
@@SuperNamn Did I respond and reply to all comments on English-speaking channels? If yes then you should have a new method on vinfast's marketing since your old story seems boring and not exciting at all.
It isnt a world beating yardstick but it is a okay result. I can see why someone will choose this updated VF8 compared to a Model Y, VW ID4 or Ford Mach-E.
VF8 is made to be close to traditional ICE cars aerodynamically and with the look as close as as possible. So its range is not optimal at 80miles/h but at 60-70 miles/h.
I just wanted to share an undocumented feature of Vinfast's Camp Mode - some apps, such as browser or games, will run in Full-Screen mode while the car is in Camp Mode, whereas in "Normal" mode those apps run in "Windows" mode
You guys didn't mention that vinfast comes with free internet! And 10 years unlimited mileage warranty on the battery plus the after sales policy which no other brands can match
I'd be interested in Vinfast vs Equinox/Blazer EV. I think people would be surprised how similar they would perform in some tests, including efficiency. I only managed 2.5 mi/kWh in the Blazer EV.
At 80mph, Down 42% to 8% with 66 miles. It means 2 mile / 1 % At 40mph local speed, Francie drove nearly 3.8 miles / 1 % FASTER DOESN'T MEAN LONGER. At high speed, losing motor magnetics is huger.
Yay for Francie and yay for her Vinfast. I personally drive the speed limit when traveling in my Ionic 5. And charge for 30 minutes. (Free charging for two years) Less stress avoiding cops, and I get about three hours drivetime between charges. Perfect timing for bathroom breaks.
@@Lee-vb4vh Thanks for your comment. I did not mean to say yeah. I meant to say yay. (I edited it] I think Francie is a wonderful presenter on the Out of Spec channel. I was a little upset that Kyle was belittling the Vinfast.
@@usaverageguy no problem thanks for info. May I ask if Ionic has Camping or Pet mode (idles in park with AC or heater on overnight when camping)? Thanks
Great seeing Vinfast actively ironing out software bugs. This makes me optimistic about sticking around for the VF7. Vinfast is doing a lot right, such as cheap lease deals and class leading standard warranty. Im just hoping to get my VF7 before winter 24. Also, they need to reconsider not putting a frunk in the VF7. Dont listen to GM, frunks are VERY important!
Good that this channel is allowing a “regular driver” perspective to be seen/heard instead of a tech expert that only judge an EV on the latest tech. At the end of the day, the more choices for EVs for a broader market of different buyers the better.
I disagree. Kyle is about the only real “driver” that reviews things. Everyone else just glosses over features and reads the press releases. Kyle understands vehicle dynamics.
If you didnt remember, you had the R1S plugged into the same charger as the Vinfast on your first charging attempt, causing limited charging speeds. EVGO prioritizes the first vehicle plugged in.
It would be interesting to see the 10% challenge sorted by "$ per mile" - which vehicle is maybe not the fastest-charging, but is the best "bang for the buck as a road-tripper"? I'm guessing the Ioniq 6 by a longshot. On Kyle's "drive to 0%, stop at every charger" - that assumes there's zero time overhead to stop at a charging station. If the chargers were always available, and immediately off the highway, sure. But the 5+ minutes added to actually navigate off the highway to the charger (and back after charging,) handshake, possible wait for a charger, etc are usually more than made up for by just charging longer at the prior station.
@@brandenflasch Patience, grasshopper. Cato Rd has been doing test runs for production of the Gen III. .... .... Sandy Munro has said that even in Gen II that the batteries he's examined have a dry cathode in addition to the dry anode. He said this will reduce the production line by 2/3rds and drive down battery costs a lot. ..... ......And the Cathode has had the cobalt content greatly reduced again saving money. That might hurt energy density a little but they've found silicon particles in the anode which will increase energy density. To compare the 4680 to the batteries on this Vinfast is ridiculous. The 4680 is just coming into it's own.
@@brandenflasch I can understand why you're mad about your gen 1 4680s. CT owners seem to be happy and with a few software upgrades, charging speed will improve.
I charge Ioniq 5 and Vf8 side by side and for 30 min charging it's only 6KWH off. Please do the full charge curve and compare as VF8 stays upto 90KWH till reaches 85%.
I sincerely hope Kyle understands what an asset to the channel Francie has become. He’s a smart guy but can sometimes be somewhat disparaging toward others.
on average our Q4 gets 5.0 km/kWh (3.125 miles) so better than the VF8 not by much.........gr8 to see Francie with her real world driving and her practical comments; we too drive at 110 kph (almost 70 mph).
Ur Q4 weight 1774 kg and Vinfast vf8 weight 2540 kg. That's why ur Q4 gets km/kwh better than vf8. In return, Vf8 is more solid, stable, and safer than Q4
I said this before but Francie is more realistic when driving an EV. Most EV drivers are going to try to drive it efficiently on a longer trip. People know they have to charge it and that it costs time, so driving faster does not save time in an EV. 75mph would be more reasonable for sure. But it makes sense also to stop at every charger and stay in its peak charging rate. That would save time on a road trip. If I were roadtripping often I would be getting an Hyundai/Kia EV as long as there are the chargers available to support the level of charging on my routes.
At 80mph, Down 42% to 8% only 66 miles, mean 2mile/1%. Faster doesn't mean longer. She drove nearly 3.8mile/1% with local speed 40mph. They dont know about electric motor or evs, so faster speed means lost magnetic.
Agree to your thoughts about Vinfast. So disconvenience on EV vinfast charge on the routes across America when traveling a long distance. City driving is more acceptable goes along with reasonable price tag then Vinfast will has a chance to compete with others.
The highest speed limit in my state and surrounding states is 70 so the max i would ever do is 75 but then again quite a few western states have even higher speed limits so i think 80 is a happy medium
Weight reduction is expensive, particularly if it involves substituting aluminum for steel. Given their exceptionally high list price, they're probably doing the best they can at this stage.
24:00 maybe the AC compressor wouldn’t be screaming if the windows were up and the door was shut. Seriously what’s the point of using AC if you are not using it efficiently by not trying to cool the whole of the state
I still think björn nylands 1000km tests are more interesting. Lots of cars show their real bahaviour on repeated chargings, rapidgate and or coldgate etc.
For what it is worth, every car AC is a heat pump..... just pumping the heat out of the car. With a little bit of additional stuff, like a reversing valve, "Heat Pumps" can take heat from outside and put it inside. IC engine cars use "waste heat" from the engine (radiator) to warm the interior.
Kyle had the cabin temperature set to 90F (32.2 C) to use up power as fast as possible while draining the battery to 10% for the test. If there was a heat pump, Kyle expected it to turn on to help heat the car more efficiently.
Are we hearing some EVs only allow one DC fast charge per day? Kyle said Lexus only allows one and a BMW EV owner claimed his car could only do one per day. How do you road trip with only one per day?
As i caculate in 15 min: Rivian use super charge and get 44kw and move 86miles => 1kw = 1.9 miles Vinfast VF8 get 29KW and move 66miles => 1kw= 2.2 miles If you hurry choose Rivian, if you have time choose VF8 you can save more money. If you ise VF8 version 2024 the resuilt will be good than 🎉
Dang, I knew it was going to be terrible but that's really bad. I'm in a PHEV right now and my goal os to switch over to an EV once I can find one that can get 3 hours of highway driving after a 15 minute charge. I figure that will be the crossover point where it isn't an annoying pest during long trips so good enough to finally ditch the PHEV.
@@zguy95135 The general speed of travel on highways where I am is 120km/h (~75 miles). So that means 360km charged in 15 minutes. The 2025 Ioniq 5 or 6 (assuming they both get the 84kWh battery, up from 77 of the 2024) are getting very close. The current models don't have the capacity so you'd have to charge to near 100% and 10-80 already takes 18-20 minutes.
I also try to gauge my charging time to get me enough to match my bladder range :). In my model y with east coast traffic I typically do 2.5 hours with 15 minute charging stops on road trips. When I was out west with higher speeds it was more like 1:20 driving with 15 minute charging. Higher speed is a double whammy: more energy per mile and less time per mile.
Did you see the race to Vegas. It’s over 100, they refuse to run AC to conserve energy and Kyle is still in his hoodie. I was sweating just watching it.
a VF7 smoked the etron quattro in this video (Vietnamese tho) so wont be a surprise the VF8 would do similarly ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kJp4gHiX_z4.html
We never drive our EV at 80 mph. We either drive right at the speed limit or just under the speed limit. Folks tend to drive in herds on expressways and driving just under the speed limit keeps you out of that pileup. Literally
I’m just saying, you guys should really test the base model FWD Toyota BZ4x. I regularly get over 4 miles/ kilowatt hour. The charge curve on it is much more aggressive as well.
