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Agreed, and even though Im not an anime person, this belongs up there. Kind of biased as I struggle with trying to "love" as the Priest does, but I disagree with Canute in the end. Still, Vinland Saga is epic, and sits beside AOT in my opinion
Glad you recognize the brilliance in this. Many say that Canute's development happens to quickly, but that is the beauty of it. It comes as though an Epiphany, almost a religious Epiphany. The best transformations often to not happen gradually but rather suddenly after emotional hibernation and thought.
It also makes sense that this turning point has been boiling inside of him since his childhood. Everything around him is full of hate and he gets punished for having any form of love. Instead of viewing it as “Oh he suddenly changed” it’s closer to view it as “He finally realized”
@@Real_Genji Agreed. To add on to that, part of trauma may involve bottling everything inside, and when a huge event triggers the mind, a whole person can instantaneously snap and change significantly.
(I copied this) I found the priest's speech fascinating. From what I understand, he explains that death is love, because death does not discriminate: it loves everyone equally. He says it: the dead accept everything, without ever complaining: death treats everyone the same way. In Buddhism we would speak of equanimity. He speaks literally about it but it is also a metaphor (the death of the ego), it obviously also speaks about selfish love, the one who wants to possess, who loves one and not another: who discriminates. He talks about it when he explains that it is like worshipping a king while whipping a slave, or when he says that Ragnar placed the Prince above everything, even his life: selfish love hierarchizes, has limits. That's why the Priest told the two brothers that their filial love was not the love he was looking for, when they told him they couldn't have this relationship with anyone. This love is a "masturbation in pairs" (Sartre), the wise loves all while consuming himself in his mystical love, disappearing to reveal the loved one. A poem by Djalāl ad-Dīn Rûmî (which I translate), perfectly comments his speech: « Men are like the three butterflies in front of a candle flame. The first one approaches it and says: "I know love." The second one comes to touch the flame with his wings and says: "I know the burning of love." The third one throws itself into the heart of the flame and consumes itself. Only he knows true love. » Or, in a more Christian register, the Father « makes rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous » (Matthew 5 : 44-45), without discrimination... The Prince and the Priest will end on an almost pantheistic note, seeing love in everything (snow, sky, etc.): Nature does not judge, she is for all the same, like death. She is love, she gives herself to everyone. Man cuts, hierarchizes, divides, discriminates, and breaks unity. The Prince will find his answer at the end of the episode in deciding to build his salvation here on earth and now, saying that he no longer needs to wait for the Father's good will. An almost Gnostic conclusion... An almost Luciferian rebellion.
Same here and also canute literally puts his own life to stop a insane bjorn without any discrimination or self-love same as Thor did they both came to know the meaning of love *Spoilers for anime onlies* Or even one can argue for Askeladd death too where he chose to protect all and not one selective when he came to canute/his home/thorfinn or others
@Nikola Gurjanov no. thats an atheistic point of view which stray from the theme and the point of the show, not saying its not a valid way of understanding the matter but this is from a christian or religious stand point. we were exiled from paradise due to the original sin, which gave us self conciousness, but made us separete from each other (becoming now individuals instead of being one with everything). the point its not that if something is nature is good, the point is what we do after becoming individuals, how we relate to everything sorrounding us
"Father in Heaven?! This man's soul cannot be saved through the trials you provide!" This man's scowl in the face of God never ceases to *move* *me* in ways I simply have no words to describe. His will so potent, it's almost tangible. The soundtrack, the voice acting, and the writing - all incredible. I adore this show, as well as the manga, so, so much.
I watched some other reactors on this ep and most of them are either confused or despised the priest’s concept of love, which made me sad because this scene is so fascinating to me and watching you love and appreciate this scene just feels so good!
Fr, it's fascinating but people brush it off because he says things like caring for children is discrimination. And taking that at face value makes him sound like a nutcase, but he does make a point there, and of course we have our own reasons for prioritising people in life, but that is of course a form of discrimination. In an ideal world, there would be no need at all for such things, and we'd all love one another equally.
One of my all times fave episodes from not just Vinland, but all media. I generally love a good character development, but to make it this complex and philosophical is a true masterpiece. I dont know if people who didnt go through questioning their faith can fully relate, but the way they managed to portray the Canute´s phisophical change , and as a result his personality change was just beautiful. It is true that big events in life can change who you are, and they usually do so through changing your core beliefs.
HOLY SHT IS FLOCH. I was like damn whose VA was doing Canute because he's killing it but it sounded familiar and I was hesitant to search it up BUT THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. Hail King Floch
@@RacistChinaWhite Who are you addressing? Nobody, as far as I can tell, gave any indication that they hated a voice actor, nor a character. There's a guy using a lot of capital letters though, but he's praising King Floch, as he should.
The first time watching this episode I remember being completely captivated by the music, dialogue, and juxtapositions from frame to frame. Visual poetry. That is the best way I feel like I can describe this masterful storytelling and animation.
a lot of people tend to get confused by concept of love that the priest talks about and thats understandable since it's such a complex concept to wrap your head around, but man this episode is so deep and beautiful that you can only praise the author
Thats why priest was so shoked by Thors words and his actions whe he didnt kill a single man, because all lifes for him were equally important, he was the definition of love
I went into this series thinking about oh yeah vikings, sword fights, pew pew but I ended up crying at the most impactful and philosophical sht I've ever seen. Truly a masterpiece. At one point I wasn't even paying attention to the fight between Thorfinn and Thorkell, I was just so caught up to the conversation between the priest and Canute.
VS has a great description of Agape, the highest form of love. The themes of a father’s love, “paradise”, and what it means to be a a warrior all tie in together in these scenes so masterfully, it’s amazing to watch
I recently watched a Blind Wave tier list video and 3 out of 4 of them tanked this show as C tier. They placed Halo TV series and the Book of Boba Fett above it. How? So odd
That's the problem with most big reaction channels like Blind wave, the Normies etc. They do not really understand what they are watching. They get excited by hype more than story telling. (Not every single one of them tbf)
I really like how they actually start drawing Canute's face different in the moments of his revelation. More of a harder, angular jawline than the rounded face he had when he was introduced. He's literally harder than he was 30 minutes ago.
This episode truly made the show for me. From the insane action to some of the most gorgeous character moments in anime history. Vinland Saga is a timeless tale
watching this series alongside your reactions and i was so excited to hear your thoughts on this one. an all-timer, in every sense of the term. so many great moments. Prince Canute was one of those characters that i saw a great amount of potential in very early on. Lord Ragnar's death and Canute's reaction was something that really resonated with me. i never would have dreamed of such a spectacular payoff to Prince Canute's development, especially this early on. the way it is presented alongside Thorfinn's side of the episode is just phenomenal direction.
When the priest says that 'death is the essence of love' people get confused and tune out. But I think it's clear that it isn't the position of the author. It's just the priest doubting that anyone can truly embody uncondtional love during their lives, and he's saying it because he's being negative of the prospects of him witnessing it. We know that the priest is disillusioned from seeing all the warfare and death, and has been doubting the idea of love and even God, especially after the slaughter of the villagers. So it's more impactful to see Canute begin to embody his deal, because he seems to have given up hope by this point. This is a reason why he says he's witnessed a miracle, as he didn't think it was possible. I can understand why people would make the mistake of thinking that the author wanted us to believe the same though, since the music and visuals during the priest's speech were so impactful, it gave the impression that we were supposed to be convinced.
Yeah I definitely don't agree with the priests viewpoint but its what Canute needed to hear, thats why its important, not because its the message of the author. As you say his ideology is shattered by the end through Canute's act of unconditional love.
I think he’s also referring to the idea that a corpse cannot discriminate or harm; only decay and feed other beings that pass by. In that sense, a corpse is closer to this idea of unconditional love that nature embodies than a human being that is still alive.
@@sebwarriner No, death is literally the essence of love. Just as death is the essence of life. That's the author's message. No need to sugarcoat it. Wanna explain? It will be quite convoluted though. You've been warned.
Loving your reactions to this series. I'm hoping you will react to the second season when it comes out because the next arc after this is one of the best told stories that I have ever experienced in any form of media.
To me what the priest is basically saying that human love is not indiscriminate love, which is in his opinion "pure love" or the love that Christ/God showed, so the world, God's creation, loves indiscriminately, it treats everyone the same but humans don't do this or, as he thinks can't do this. That's why when he hears the story of Thors and how he behaved he was so shocked because Thors really did exercise that "pure love" as a human in what he calls being a "true warrior" (well until he drew his sword against Askeladd, which is why Thors says he still hasn't mastered becoming a true warrior yet). It's a very interesting perspective
its the christian belief of original sin, we have traded our innate ability to love indiscriminately with wisdom and what is wisdom but the ability to apply differing levels of value on things, events, or people. And because of that we were cast out of paradise and forced to live in a flawed world filled with wise men and women rather than innocent men and women.
@@newtonia-uo4889 The sadder thing is, is that no one here is truly wise. Adam and Eve were promised by the Enemy that if they ate the Forbidden Fruit, they would know the all of the truth, and become as wise as God. But in the end, the truth was that Humanity couldnt have been further away from God than ever. We are to Him, as ants are to us, and now we live in a cruel world thanks to sin.
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In my opinion, the priest was indeed right about love. He is talking about "agape"; truly selfless love, which is what God showed to the world. However, although I strongly disagree with Canute's conclusion to "rebel" against God by making his own paradise, I understand why he does so. This world is cruel, and Humanity is no better. By right, our fallen nature is incapable of truly loving others, thanks to sin. Never have I once encountered such a philosophical conversation in a show, let alone an anime, but this is why I love Vinland Saga. I too, struggle in my faith in Christ just as the Priest does, but Ive come to accept that Humanity is truly and forever incapable of loving each other, which is why only the love of Christ will prevail in the end.
Yeah, it's really a great episode. And from the rest of the story later on we can see that Canute isn't meant to be the 'correct view' or anything. He's a character with his own views essentially. And yeah, humanity on their own strength cannot attain agape (indiscriminate and perfect) love. But Christ can give it to us, live that love through us as long as we 'abide in him'.
This isn’t the hypest episode by any means but I definitely think it’s the pinnacle episode of the season, the character growth of Canute, but not only that, the philosophy and messaging of the dialogue in general, it’s masterful
I swear this stretch of 3 episodes from 17-19 is my favorite aside the last three episodes. Everything is just so good about it, I get chills everytime.
Original? There’s been a plethora of attempts to discredit god through media before, the phenomenal direction and alluring art helps coat this underlying intent. This episode is blasphemous, it puts forth a tasteless ideology that’s genuinely provocative to people of religion. The episode itself tries so hard to strip the title of benevolence away from god because of the fact that certain people are more fortunate than others? Hastily jumping to such a conclusion is ridiculous, I love Vinland Saga but this episode’s themes are folly and baseless.
I am so glad you are loving the series. This manga / anime is thought provoking and actually you'll become a better person once you finish this story. Superb show
Bit of (former christian) religious perspective here as well as my own. The kind of 'true' love Willibald describes sounds a lot like the Greek word 'Agape' for unconditional love. Agape is discussed fairly often as a good Christian virtue, at least when I went to church. Agape can be contrasted to other Greek words for familial, brotherly, or sexual love to name a few. They are more 'discriminatory' certainly. When Canute (Cnut) says the sky, the trees, etc. are love, it reminds me of verses like Psalm 66:4, "All the earth bows down to you; they sing praise to you, they sing the praises of your name" I think it's a pretty common belief that Earth is a monument to God's love, or at least Paradise was, until it was forbidden. That isn't the exact same as Canute's new doctrine though. I think one of the most interesting (and potentially valuable) things about Christianity is how can Christians love, and how do they approach the futility and value of paradise on Earth? There is a lot of theological literature about what should be the role of good works and belief/faith in the believer's life. Although my deconversion was for many other reasons as well, I remember agonizing like Canute over my failures and broken promises to myself and betrayals from other people, getting very angry that humans (including myself) don't want to live according to godly/loving principles. It's interesting, and makes sense, that Canute, the proud, hotheaded, idealistic, and thoughtful character we've seen glimpses of now decides to reject his reliance on God when he is confronted with a world of persistent violence and injustice. This isn't the only path forward, but it's the one he chose. One reaction a devout Christian might have to this show would be to interpret Canute's rejection as a rebellion against God: an act of ego that blames God for the weakness of Man, sinful impatience that cannot labor in eager expectation of Jesus's return. I'm curious if any Christians, deconverted, or never religious have a perspective on this.
not really sinful impatience, more like they have weighed the mantra of God, ie to love all earnestly and humbly, compared to the existence of the flawed nature of men and decided that God's mandate for Christians to live according to Godly principles to fulfill paradise is impossible to achieve, worst, it invites great amounts of pain since seeking to live according to godly principles is to remain dangerously innocent in a world full of flawed men, thus inviting suffering. As a Christian, I place my feet firmly on the hill that living through godly principles is the true path to happiness in this world and in the next, though I understand why some would not believe so.
Christian speaking here, I mostly agreed with the Priest's points and Canute's points until the end. In my humble opinion, Canute did still rebel against God in the end. To not rely on Him, is already an act of rebellion just as one relies on sorcery or witchcraft. I too, am angry about the world. About how horrible it is, and how horrible its people are, and I am no better. As one who enjoys learning History, there is a great sorrow that comes with it, with knowing one thing- Many already know the sayings "War is hell" or "War never changes" but there is another saying all would (understandably) not want to hear: "War is inevitable" Living after so many millenia with lots of information at the tip of our fingers, Humanity still goes to war. There is no peace, no love, no paradise on this earth. Its as if Humanity is incapable of loving, and they ARE incapable of loving. However, what sets me aside from Canute is that when he rebels against God, my faith in Him has become even stronger. Humans are the most selfish, cruel, arrogant, lying, backstabbing, repugnant, decadent den of hypocritical idiots that I am a part of... ...But if God was more than willing to still be faithful to us all even though we all spat on His name, that He sent His own son to set us free from a fate we all deserved, then perhaps I too can give Humanity another chance.
One of my favourite episodes in anything ever. But still 2nd to my favourite in this show, which would be the finale. But that's more of a personal thing, because of the closure it provides to the arc. This episode's special because its message transcends the show. Show anyone that conversation between Canute and Willibald followed by the aftermath and they'll see the brilliance, but you need context to appreciate the finale.
Buddy no one found that episode boring 14:14 The thing is vinland saga upcoming episodes and manga is on another level that one who has read the whole vinland saga will find that episode as just a prologue.
I really like this episode, but my biggest problem with it is that Canute and the priest are meant to be Christians. They've both come to the conclusion that they and humanity can not reach the radical love/paradise on their own because of the fallen nature of man. But the crux of Christianity is that because we can not reach that place on our own, God provided a substitute to bridge the gap between God and man through His son. Canute says "Father, I no longer seek your salvation, if you won't give it to us we will have to make a paradise here on the earth." Or something similar, but God in Christian teaching does give it to us through His son. It's as if the priest and Canute have been following a Christianity that doesn't include Christ. If it were just Canute coming to these conclusions then I would not really have a problem with it, but the idea of a priest who doesn't understand the sacrifice of Christ is a really big stretch for me.
Christianity in earlier centuries had no definite doctrine. There have been so many different approaches and yours and the ones on the show are just one of many interpretations, so for me it's not far-fetched at all. In those days, there were many priests, bishops, and even church fathers with ideas that were even more different from modern teaching.
I suppose the question is, What has the priest really been taught? Because there's definitely alot of people (from the beginning of the Church really) who keep thinking that it's something we're still supposed to do through our own righteous works. Our own strength. But as the apostle Paul taught the early church, it's God through Christ who saves us, and by Christ and God's Holy Spirit that we live the life full of God's agape love. * Christ himself tells us that 'with man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible' and 'abide in me... for without Me you can do nothing"
@@itzmj6843 in terms of sacrificing for their goal (pretty broad) and also wanting to give meaning to other peoples’ lives then yeah I kinda agree, however for the most part and especially later on in the story I don’t think so. they’re opposites conceptually considering how things end up with canute and thorfinn. But if we’re talking about them being beautiful ass mfs then I can see a strong resemblance there lol 😂
Griffith gave in TO the greatest sin, to believe that one is beholden to no one, not his friends, his nation, or not even God. When Griffith was faced with the idea of evil and when it said that all that ever mattered was him, that is the thing that damned griffith,
