In this particular live video Vinnie Colaiuta plays a big double bass drum Sonor phonic kit. 12 October 1980 - Albuquerque,New Mexico #vinniecolaiuta #frankzappa
This Fall 1980 tour is my absolute favorite era of Frank, and almost singlehandedly because of Vinnie. The power and technicality he adds is just unmatched!
I'm not a drummer and I don't know any drummer lingo, all I can say Vinnie is by far the #1 drummer I like to listen to ... I binge on anything Zappa he plays on. In my words, his playing breathes and there is always a surprise thrown in. Fuck, I do love it.
Yup, in many ways I like his playing from this period more than anything else he did. He got better as he got older, but he had such fire and snap here, as well as unbelievable creativity, which was maybe partly due to a bandleader who knew how to bring it out of him. Context is everything. If he never did Zappa's band, who knows what kind of a player he might have ended up being.
@@NickHolum During the Vai's audition, Colaiuta was a drummer of Frank Zappa. Not only during audition. Have look at Tinsel Town Rebellion album for example.
@@danender5555 right… thanks? Like I said… I had assumed (incorrectly) that Vinnie was out of the lineup on the dates Vai was in for. The personnel listing for Tinseltown Rebellion has both Cuccurullo and Logeman … I had assumed Vinnie played with Cuccurullo and then Vai came on board along with Logeman (when Vinnie “left” the tour).
Colaiuta was such a copy cat in his comeback, in late 80, soon to be dismissed again, now looking cool,using Terry Bozzios kit set up with double bass drum setup ,after declaring he never played with double bass ,and said he never tried bdfore joining Zappa,insinuating a slight disrespect for Terry Bozzio,up to his Zappa audition. I believe he used double bass before joining Zappa. If you do the audition of your life,you use a kit that you feel comfortable with.Why didn't he simply take away,for Frank's audition,one of Terrys bass drum? He's a liar. Great jazz drummer,out of this world phrasing, but vinnie fans, realize he's a bit overrated from bootlickers, putting overkill polyrhthmic sloppy Colai, at god level. Not a chance Vinnie fans.Vinnie was a better jazz drummer than Bozzio, but not the better jazzRock drummer fit for Frank, as Bozzio was,including metal style vocals and the highest sales and concert attendance worldwide . Also, Frank had to abandon the SG for the les Paul ,forced to use sustained pickups,to mold his air sculptures around vinnies sloppy polyrhythms, got a bit overplayed at times.Sloppy Colai was a bit too polyrhthmic for Frank's continued success pre 78 😀.
I saw this concert at the Montreal Forum within a few months of this performance. Having already been dazzled by the Joe's Garage albums drumming, I spent the night staring mostly at Vinnie through the binocs absorbing everything I could by this master of the drumkit.
Vinnie and Bozzio, the two geniuses - Frank was the man who had them both in his formations, and it tells everything about his magnificent magic magnetic capabilities.. :)
Thanks for this upload! Man, Vinnie was so young! It amazes me Miley Cyrus can get 800 million views riding on a wrecking ball but real musicians like this don't get the views!
Colaiuta was such a copy cat in his comeback, in late 80, soon to be dismissed again, now looking cool,using Terry Bozzios kit set up with double bass drum setup ,after declaring he never played with double bass and said he never tried up to his Zappa audition Liar. Great jazz drummer,out of this eotld phrasing but a bit overrated from bootlickers putting overkill polyrhthmic sloppy Colai at god level. Not a chance Vinnie fans.Vinnie was a better jazz drummer than Bozzio, but not the better jazzRock drummer fit for Frank, as Bozzio was,including metal style vocals. Sloppy Colai was a bit too polyrhthmic. Wasnt necessary with Frank's already aberrated POLYRYHTMIC COMPLEX realm.
@globextradingsystemsllc1740 He was good enough for Zappa and good enough for Jeff Beck. Your opinion doesn't mean anything. Sounds more like jealousy.
I HAD ONE OF THESE 80'S SONOR PHONIC DRUM KITS and apart from the metal snare drum ,the the toms and kick drum were ,up to this day ;the best drums ever made The only bad thing was they were so heavy to carry=made to last.
@@Chris-jm4zk yeah and yeah. wish i had that kit now.=all drum brands sound all the same now. gimmy sonor any day .Not much attack because of the thick shell but when you put a mic on those sonor they hummmmmmmmmmm hav a good day cris
@@Chris-jm4zk I saw a signature bubinga phonic 12 ply from the 80's .5 piece for six thousand pounds in the UK on ebay .The phonic was good enough but that bubinga kit was over the top .You would deffinately need mikes on that kit or it would sound like skins without shells .MIKE IT UP AND YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT STORY =BEAUTIFUL LOW MID -RANGE WITH HIGH -MID BASS TONES ?I'm just guessing about the sound as I have never had one but would really like to because of its visual beauty and when I carried it from the car to the stage I would be warmed up to play as the drums and stands are so heavy.
Have to agree, sound man would take a while to EQ my kicks and snare (Ludwig) but the sonor racks really EQ’D themselves. Damn I wish I kept them! I never knew they made bubinga shells though, sure they sounded fantastic.
@@Chris-jm4zk Over crafted .Who are you/ I mean /who did or still do you play with ?Send me some thing.Ipicked up a pearl juppiter snare drum.Sounds loud ,a little weird but weirdly nice i think=brass shell. any way thanks for your spirit .I live in australia and i would see virgil donaiti play in cover bands and what ever, before he went to america like 38 years ago.He lived next street from me .Nice guy.Did he he practice a lot/ HES HE DID.we all knew he was gonna get out of this small place ..................good for virgil...nice guy and untouchable with what he does .mad man virgil who probably sips on tea inbetween practice.Lucky to see him in normal style band seat ups back then.
Steve Vai said his all time worst show was 1980 in Albuquerque, NM. But, Steve said he was wearing shorts & no shirt becuz, it was 100 degrees on stage. He had a puke bucket bc he was extremely sick.
Was this Sonor drum kit the same kit that Vinnie recorded Joe's garage with? I didn't know he played Sonor! This was before his Yamaha endorsement but I thought he may have played Gretsch on those recordings. Does anybody know the answer? Thank you!
This was my first year of seein. Fz, and his band, almost 3 weeks after this show, so I did get to see vc, where when I told people ,they said it was dave logeman...logamen was in the 1980 spring part, Vinnie was in the fall part of this tour...then saw em the following year ,with Chad wackermans drumming...2nd year was a better concert.....
