Vintage Surf Spinning Reel - Daiwa 8600 

Very nice!

Sounds like quite a collection! I'll have to check out the Mer 52, sounds really interesting.

@@christopherjenkins2373 congratulations! Those are hard to come by for a decent price. You need to open a reel museum!!!!

⁠@@TheFishingHobbyThis is what Dennis Kuntz on 2nd Chance Tackle told me to do. I’m still trying to figure out a way how to display more of my reels. I can’t wait to get my hands on the Suveran reel. I wish I could have found a 6000 size but I’m not sure they even made them. I’m still learning about them. - Chris

That's awesome that you got the drag knob situation sorted out and I'm glad you like it! They are very well made reels. I was really surprised by just how good the quality was on this series of reels. Congratulations and enjoy the reel!

Hi Chris, finally I have found the video, you recommended me. It´s not The Hobby Lobby, it's The Fishing Hobby ;)

@@bart-b9497 Sorry Burt!

Thank you!

I like a lot of the Daiwa silver series reels as well, but I also agree that these are a step up from the more well known Daiwas. These weren't really talked about much several years ago and now they are commanding higher prices. I guess the cat is out of the bag!

@@TheFishingHobby I think you are right. The 8100A seems to be the most costly and pretty rare.so I won’t be getting that one. I’d like to eventually get a 8300A though. It has two bearings while the 8100A only has one. I’ve also been collecting the blue Shakespeare 2400 series reels. All I need is a 2430. I got all the gold 2700 series with a few doubles but they are not quite as good as the 4 blue 2400 reels. I’ve got the 2400DC, 2410RL, and the 2450 but no 2430. I may never find that last one. The blue Shakespeare 2400 series are definitely Ohmori made but I’m not sure about the gold 2700 series. There are at least 7 reels in the gold 2700 series.- 2700, 2701, 2707, 2710, 2711, 2740, and 2741.- Chris

They are very good reels, congratulations 👍

They are tanks!

Wow, great find! They are extremely well made reels and don't command outrageous prices (yet!). Glad you found one and a bargain at that 👍

Is it like this one? www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Daiwa-Sport-5000-Spinning-Reel-/174887772559?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0 If so, there are some similar looking reels called a Daiwa Punch. I have one of the Punch models.

@@TheFishingHobby i have two of the Daiwa Punch reels and this Sport reel has the same general shape but bigger. It has more bearings than a Punch and much nicer cosmetics. The paint on the reel is like a 9000C. You are the 3rd person to recognize the Punch lineage for this reel. I know it was an expensive reel. I can't wait to fish with it.

Nice! I'll keep an eye out for one 👍

Thanks Fredo! It is a nice reel, can't wait to use it!

Thanks! I just picked up the ultralight version (8100) this week 👍

I couldn't believe how well made they were. I have several older Daiwa reels that I really like, this one is much better made than any of the others I have. I love worm gear drives, so smooth and practically indestructible. Merry Christmas to you too!

Nice, congratulations!

Nice, still waiting to pick that one up myself! I have had my hands on a lot of reels, this one is way up there on the list. 1st class all the way 👍

The Fishing Hobby I owe it all to you buddy! If I hadn't seen your video I would have passed it up. Thanks for the great videos, keep it up. Trust me, you are making a difference for a lot of people. : )

Thanks, I really appreciate that!

I have several Mitchell reels and like them very much. I especially enjoy my 408. I don't have anything at all bad to say about them, but this reel is the highest quality reel I've ever laid hands on. I own a lot of vintage reels (Abu Cardinals, Mitchell, D.A.M., Shakespeare and more) and I like all of them...all well made and very high quality compared to what is usually found in sporting goods stores today. Reels comparable in quality today cost in the hundreds of dollars, so (for most) they aren't a viable option. If you ever run across one of these Daiwas for a decent price, I'd encourage you to pick one up, clean it up and try it out. I think you would be impressed. Just as a side note, I always prefer worm gear drive reels over the beveled gears simply because of how smooth they are. The spiral bevel gears that Mitchell used in some reels are a close second in my book, very smooth gear sets too (like the 402 uses). The 302 uses a spur type bevel gear which isn't as smooth as the spiral bevel gears but is more durable. In my opinion the worm gear offers a gear set just as smooth as the spiral bevel setup and as durable as the the spur type beveled gears...you get the best of both worlds. A lot of this is personal preference of course. I love my Mitchell reels too and use them as well. There are trade offs between all of them. The old Abu Cardinals have the best drags out of the bunch. They are more of a pain to work on too. I love all of them 😁

They do pop up for sale from time to time: m.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=daiwa+8600&LH_Complete=1

@@TheFishingHobby With the Mitchells, even though the various models look similar externally, internally they're all different. The 408 is an ultralight. It has the Planamatic oscillator like the 302, but lacks the salt water features, like the bronze shaft and machined stainless spindle and pinion. If I see a Daiwa like this one at a garage sale I'll certainly check it out.

@@TheFishingHobby Get a 302 and look closely at the bail and all the parts. The bail itself is chrome over stainless. The line guide is hard chrome over bronze. The bail trip components are all stainless, and machined, not stamped. Also, the spool spins off without affecting the drag setting. If you took the price of a 302 in the 1960's and adjusted for inflation, they'd be about $350 now. They go for around $25 to $40. A little more if they're mint. And you can still get most parts NOS.

@@TheFishingHobby Of course, style and preference do come into play.

The 8300 and 8100 are different reels. Both have worm gear drives, but the gears and main bodies are different sizes. I have one of the CD6 Abu Reels. They are similar to the suveran but do not have a worm gear drive setup. The CD reels have a cheaper pot metal helical main drive gear. Still a very nice reel though.

@@TheFishingHobby I have a friend in Germany who found a photo constraining all 4 Daiwa 8000 series reels - 8100, 8300, 8600, and 8700. Do you happen to know if there is any difference between an 8100 and an 8100A? I do intend to find an 8100 so I can have a complete set of these remarkable reels. Of course my favorite will always be the 8600 which is why I have three of them. The 8300 I just got is a very nice reel. I’m sure the 8100 is also. Thanks for sharing your experience with the CD6 Abu center drag. I have not yet fished with my two center drags but I think they will be great. They are definitely among the smoothest reels I’ve ever touched. You are so right that the CD6 is No Suveran. I’m toying with the idea of selling off part of my reel collection in order to buy a Suveran but haven’t made up my mind about that. I just got an extraordinary rare Mitchell (Browning) 488 “Sport” reel. It is the only one I’ve ever seen and I got a great deal on it. I had to do some difficult repairs to the rotor and bail assembly but it is perfect now. It matches my Mitchell (Browning) 498 “Sport” model. Thanks so much for the additional information on the Daiwa 8100. - Chris

@@christopherjenkins2373 to the best of my knowledge, the main difference between the 8100 and 8100a is that the 8100 has an anodized spool and the 8100a has a polished aluminum spool. My reel is actually an 8100a.even though I stated an 8100. They are basically the same reel though. The main gear on the 8100a I have is made of brass so that is a little different than the larger reels in this series.

You can set up a saved search on eBay and I bet one will pop up in your notifications at some point. You might also setup a saved search for "Daiwa 7000c parts" and see if a decent parts reel pops up for a few bucks. Good luck 👍

Wow, congratulations on that find! I really appreciate the compliment. I will probably do some more of these videos in the future. To be completely transparent, the rod building videos earn more money by a long shot. That is why I focus on them for the most part now. As simple as my videos are, they are pretty time consuming to make so it makes more sense to do the ones that are the most profitable. I still have plenty of reels that I need to do videos on...one of these days I will get back to doing a few here and there.

@@TheFishingHobby I’ve seen some of your rod building videos. No one else on RU-vid comes close to what you have done with this unique hobby. I can certainly understand why you would concentrate on this as I know how RU-vid works. I certainly wish you nothing but continued success with your channel!

Thank you!

The worm gear drives in a fishing reel isn't exactly the same as what most people would refer to as a true worm gear. In a standard worm gear, the worm is the motorized part and the wheel is driven by the worm. That sort of worm gear wears quickly unless there is constant lubrication because the wheel is driven by a sliding motion. In a standard worm gear, the wheel can't be turned to drive the worm. In a fishing reel worm gear, a helical wheel (the cranked main drive gear) is used to drive the worm (in this case, the pinion gear). The wheel is cut in such a way that you get both a sliding and rolling effect and it allows for the worm to be driven by the wheel. The reason why it is a strong setup is because you have the better part of 2 teeth engaged at all times. There is a disadvantage in this setup in theory because it is less efficient than a spur gear which would mean it takes more effort to crank than a spur gear. In practice though, it really isn't an issue. I have a modern worm gear drive spinning reel with 9 bearings and an infinite anti-reverse needle roller bearing and it isn't as free spinning as a standard modern spur gear drive. It is very smooth with no gear feedback through the handle, but you can't give it a push and watch the handle spin round and round for a long time like a lot of modern reels and that is due to the greater contact area on the teeth of the gear set. There are a lot of old worm gear drive spinning reels still in perfect working condition going all the way back to the 1930's when they first started being produced. There are also spur gear drive spinning reels still working correctly that are just as old. Spur gear drives usually require shimming as they wear though and worm gears don't. I've actually never heard of a broken or worn out worm gear set in a fishing reel, although it is bound to have happened at some point.

@@TheFishingHobby Thanks for that write-up. It was helpful. I think I can understand the style of gear-tooth contact being neither 100-percent sliding nor rolling, but instead, a combination of both. I can see your point about a worm-gear reel being a little less than "effortless" when reeling, but being perfectly adequate. I recently switched from using a 50-year-old Mitchell 300 (still in great condition) to a handful of modern spinning reels with a side-toothed, helical-cut drive gear engaged to a spiral-toothed pinion, and even though these are not such high-end reels (they are "decent" and well respected as long-lasting and reliable), they will keep spinning "forever" if there's no line resistance, and I can't say I really care for such an extreme lack of internal friction that the weight of the handle grip will put half a turn on the crank.

I don't particularly care for that free spinning effect myself. It doesn't help put fish in the boat, but giving the handle a good push and watching it spin is the go to maneuver in the stores haha! I have a love hate relationship with modern reels. I like some of the new features they have (oversized line rollers, instant anti-reverse and silent anti-reverse) but I don't like the serviceability of them. Most aren't really built to last for generations either. The newest reel I have that I do really like is this one: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WvUP6mPP3tg.html It is a cut above most modern reels in construction. I like the lightweight graphite body that has good rigidity too. Unlike most plastic body reels, this one has threaded brass inserts in the plastic so screws can be taken in and out without worrying as much about stripping out the threads like you would on a threaded plastic reel body. Gear materials are brass (drive gear) and stainless steel (pinion gear) and it is a worm gear setup. They didn't go overboard on bearing count, it has 3 sealed stainless steel ball bearings of very good quality. It has silent anti-reverse (but not instant, there is a little back play before the dog engages). I really enjoy using it. For some reason (cost would be my guess), it was the only reel in their lineup that retained the worm gear drive when they went to the graphite body reels. It is a well thought out, light weight spinner that feels right in use. I suppose they are old by most people's standards, but they are a nice blend of older and newer technology. An oddball of sorts, but in a good way!

Thank you! Here is one a guy has cleaned up. It looks like the 8700 has a slightly larger spool and a few other differences. Have a look and see: alantani.com/index.php?topic=30159.0

@@TheFishingHobby thanks so much for this information. I honestly had never seen one and they never come up for sale on any of the main auction sites. It doesn’t look to be all that different from the 8600 except in capacity for line. Honestly I’m happy that I was able to get two 8600 reels in such great condition, I have a lot of vintage Penn reels going back to the original 1961 Spinfisher. Prior to getting the 8600 reels I thought the 704Z and 706Z were the best of the Penn spinning reels but after getting these 8600 reels I have changed my mind. Seeing your video for the first time got me determined to get this reel and I’m glad I did¡ Thank you for doing this video. No one else has done one on RU-vid.

I'm glad you like the video and the reels! I'm a big fan of the Penn reels too. I even have a graphite body Penn that I really enjoy using: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WvUP6mPP3tg.html

@@TheFishingHobby My favorite Penns are my Z series reels - 704Z, 706Z, and a beautiful 722Z I restored myself. I also have 6 "greenies". My favorite is a swirl 704. My least favorite are my silver series 103, 104, and 105. I'm glad mine aren't the "C" ones that were made in China.

Yeah, the Z series is about as good as they come!

I think you will like the reel! Congratulations!

The 8300 is rated to hold 200 yards of 12lb test, so 10lb test would work just fine 👍

@@TheFishingHobby thanks for the info... Just watch your vid "vintage spinning reel disassembly"... Amazing! You have both Daiwa 8600 & 8100A, that gives me confidence.

I have an 8300 too. Good reels!

Thanks! I'm not 100% sure, but I would think they were made in the late 60's to early 70's by the looks of them. Sounds like it was a great price! Is it in good shape?

Thanks brother! I watched your bank fishing rod holders video the other day and left you a comment! That rebar one looked like something you would buy at a store!

Ok yes sir I remember seeing that thanks for kind words we love making stuff

Me too!

250 yards of 15lb test mono according to the print material I have seen on them. Great reels 👍

Did something happen to your brother?

He passed away from cancer a few years ago. He loved to fish. Saltwater fishing was his favorite. He used to do a lot of fishing in the outer banks of North Carolina and in the Gulf of Mexico near Mexico Beach.

Man I'm sorry. My mother-in-law is going through breast cancer that spread to her bones before she even knew she had it. It is an awful thing. We all have been touched by it in some way. I shouldn't have asked, I apologise for that.

I'm not sure, but this is a large reel with a line capacity of 250 yards of 15lb test. There was a larger 8700 that had a line capacity of 250 yards of 20lb test that was in this series of reels as well and made a lot like the 8600 in this video. Daiwa may have made larger ones though that weren't in this series of reels.

The Fishing Hobby I’ve been looking for an old advertisement. Can’t find it. Thanks again

No problem! Here is a link to this particular series of reels that might help you out: www.orcaonline.org/orca-store/orca-library/diawa-catalog-1969/

I have seen them sell for $20 to $50 regularly so $149.99 seems pretty high.

The Fishing Hobby I’m thinking about the 8100 but know the UL reels go for more. Does $60-100 sound about right? And do you know what makes the 8100a different and more valuable?

$60-100 should be able to get you one that is like new to never used w/box condition. If you don't mind one with a little wear on the paint and you are patient, you can pick up a good user reel for $25-45. Unfortunately, these don't show up for sale very often. The original 8100 would be a little heavier built than the 8100A. I have an 8100A, still an awesome reel but the spools aren't as heavy duty as the 8100. I would imagine the 8100A would weigh slightly less. The internals are different materials than the larger reels. The ultralights have brass gears which are very well made as well.

The Fishing Hobby ok sounds good, I did see the the 8100A asking for $155, but at that price I can get the 8100 and SS No. 1. Thanks for getting back to me!

@@bigal1419 no problem!

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