Vinyl vs CD: Which One Sounds Better? 

@Superrooper Rall I apologize, your just smarter than me. Lol nothing better to do than correct grammar on the tubeyou? Lol.

Same deal with tube equipment. We're nostalgic to the old fermilure coloration, noise and distortion. You could prove this by a listening test with a panel of people that have not had the old tech experience

Not nostalgic for me💁‍♂️ I just personally like the big packaging and organic analog dynamic range ‼✌😁🎶

Because some vinyl enthusiasts actually do know what to do to make them sound right.

Because that’s pretentious. I just care about sound quality that’s it.

No it won't because it still won't have the ultrasonic frequencies that musical instruments emit. At least vinyl has them.

@@dtz1000 exactly

100% agreed. I find most CDs are excellent. Only the "remastered" ones of the legendary recordings tend to be compressed. Any of the newer pop music is garbage anyway. Who cares if it's compressed? But on the compression argument, every vinyl record has compressed sound. The format is extremely limited in dynamic range so the engineers compressed the recording. The truth is: PEOPLE LOVE COMPRESSED MUSIC. An inconvenient truth that explains why mp3s and then Spotify were/are so popular.

@@thinkzinc100 mp3s and spotify were only popular for their convenience, and because the average person doesn't pay attention to details in audio, or even knows what to listen for.

@@thinkzinc100 Spot on!!! Cd is objestively the best medium if you are aiming for the best way to reproduce what you did in the studio! Vinyl is all about nostalgia!

morganjholt yeah it's certainly an important quality that inspired me to listen to classic rock music on the original format.

Well that's a very real thing - I've been refurbishing my old Dual turntable in order to listen again to some dub reggae I only have on LP, but going against the vinyl experience is the polution of the music with clicks and surface noise (which is very noticable in dub it turns out, directly detracting from the music wheras its practically unnoticable with rock guitar!) My suspicion is that surface noise on the lead-in groove evokes a Pavlovian response of anticipation, would be interesting to make a device to emulate this for other formats and see if that's a strong effect.

Absolutely

Yeah right.... Just like watching a Betamax music video, instead of a 4K digital HDR version. "the experience" BS

you guys should go Laserdisc. best of both worlds lol

***** No, you wouldn't. I've spent $2,500 on a *Michell Gyrodec SE* turntable which took 4 months to build in the UK, $1,000 on a *Michell Techno A' Tonearm* which took 6 weeks to build in the UK, and $950 for a *Sumiko Blackbird Moving Coil (MC) Cartridge* (2.5mV), $700 for the *Michell HR Precision Motor Power Supply*, and it's the greatest investment I've ever made. The sound is magic to my ears with my (New In Box) *Pioneer HPM-100's*, and (New In Box) *Onkyo M-504*, and (New In Box) *Onkyo P-304*. I've got an Okki Nokki RCM, and 100's of sealed LP's that I spent thousands of dollars on. Bands such as: Journey; Madonna; Commodores; Whitney Houston; Def Leppard; etc). The truth is, they all sound like they're singing right next to me. The "warmth" that you hear people throw around isn't exactly a "myth". With CD and the "Loudness War" going on, engineers have tampered with the EQ too much therefore ruining the original, natural sound. I am no longer in the peaceful state of mind when I listen to their digital counter-parts. In a blind test, there is a noticeable difference. My guests can all agree with me. It's an extra sense or some sort of unexplained feeling that I or my guests cannot even begin to explain. I'm 25 years old, and it's a stunning listening experience. Hi-Fi is no doubt amazing when it comes to playing vinyl. As for my personal opinion, Vinyl wins. If you guys have not invested into something as serious as I have, then you cannot comment that CD is better.

Random access. Skip. Pause. Play. Records are more involving because they have to be. Maybe it's due to their purely lossless nature. Maybe it's mechanics, you have to be more deliberate when listening to record, you don't have have the choices.

Anime Maakuo Check dynamic range database..

lol thats a good point man i do the same listen to it all hey cd fast foreward..good comment

I have spent far less money on my turntable that you have and still share your sentiments. I don't think it's required to spend all that much money on a system to get great quality sound. More money can mean a more realistic experience, but I think it's important for people to understand that good sound doesn't have to spend $10k+ in audio. A very well thought out system in the $2k range (or perhaps less) can sound excellent.

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I have Dave Weckl's the Master Plan 1991 release and buy and still sounds the same like the 1st day actually now sounds better because i have better CD player Actually the CDs has no problem no matter how many times you'll play them since of course you treat them good like no scratching them e.t.c They have no friction to deteriorate them unlike tapes & LPs have

Moon Shine I had a cheap CD player about 25 years ago that you could hear the disk spin in the player. When I eventually upgraded my player it did sound a lot better because of the insulation on the player itself.

@Moon Shine It's about what kind of speakers u use. If the speaker is better, the sound will be better as well.

@Moon Shine that is correct. I was only referring to difference in sound quality caused by the speakers you use.

I have the vinyl record of the Spyro Gyra album that also sounds flawless and crisp.

Lol

@@MrTmax74 thanks. I thought it was pretty funny too, but I didn’t tell HIM !

@siu-hung Hung : believe me, my friend had already thought of that. He has incredibly expensive record cleaners and antistatic devices... Really helps the pops and crackels come through clearly, LOL.

LOL MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. The pops and cracks just take me out of the daze every time lol.

Woah. Does he work as a doctor or something? How can he afford all that?

That is a pretty fair statement. Granted I feel analog tape gives a much more musical and emotional connection to the performance and digital sounds like a one dimensional cardboard cut out of the same recording.

@Infinite Possibilities True...but a well mastered LP can sound better than a badly mastered CD

@Infinite Possibilities Well said dude who ever you are well said

@@latourhighendaudio I also have an emotional connection to my physical CD. To say that you can only be connected to your music if you use an analog format is a bunch of nonsense. Believe it or not, but the process of reading the CD is actually an analog process. Instead of a magnetic head or a stylus, you do it via a laser and there are modules that translate the light variations into digital signals.

@No Name Yes all records whether vinyl or CD are EQ'd during the mastering phase. Records are EQ'd during the cutting process and CD/digital when they are set up to be then made into a glass master or made available as files. It is this final EQ that changes the sound the most. Many hi res digital files sound better just because they have been re- EQ'd not because of any audible difference in resolution between CD and Hi Res files, which the human ear cannot in any event detect (despite what audiophiles claim) .

Smaller and easier to store, cheaper, you can play it in anything that has disk entrance, you can transfer it digitally to files, it's not so delicate, yeah I prefer CD

I prefer CD for that and other practical reasons. Easier to rip to denser storage. You can get a 1TB micro SDXC card and for < 100 USD a phone that can use it, bluetooth or aux cable, with your preferred music app. You don't have to connect the phone to any service unless you want to use it as a phone or connect it to the internet on the go without a hub. Odds are you will never fill that up in your life time with just music that you'd actually play more than once.

The problem is not with digital as a medium. Digital can sound fantastic if you have a high linearity and precise analog to digital converter. Most DSD Native recordings sound almost identical to master tapes. PCM on the other hand does have a great potential but there is no analog to digital converter in the market that can record above 20 bits of linearity in real time so as a result there will be quantization errors and you wont capture the full resolution.

@@delatomvione9943 Why use digital at all ? Maybe it's more cost effective.

@Allthatyoutouch Many reasons: accurate reproduction, no degradation or wear unlike vinyl and cassette, and preservation. There are also many other reasons that I can address but these are main ones.

@@delatomvione9943 The reproduction is not accurate and C.D.'s do wear.

@@allthatyoutouch3164 CD's are as good as it gets and CDs do not wear. How can they?

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You will never use 24 bit dynamic range. Ever. Unless you are an engineer mastering music.

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I have a load invested in each format. Vinyl is better and if you are reaching for that holographic musical performance that's downright spooky it's expensive for sure. And finicky. I sprung for it because I'm not getting any younger and I wanted to see where it would lead. It's better than I had hoped for.

Tom Turner Speak for yourself. Most audiophiles want an accurate, clean sound not a coloured distorted one that one individual may perceive as "halographic".

prep74 I was speaking for myself. JMO

Tom Turner I pay you that.

prep74 For some pretty good info from a mastering engineer go to Steve Hoffman-What sounds just like the master tape. Interesting.

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Streaming has made CD's utterly obsolete. Their only purpose is if you wish to own a physical copy of your music. Vinyl remains this cool hobby, which arguably still produces the best sounds. Sure they are expensive and inconvenient, but if you don't want to be bothered by that, pay Spotify 7euros a month and you are set.

For a 74 year old you sure make stupid broad statements. Who are you to tell someone that ALL records have the pops and hisses? Maybe yours which you played on shitty equipment sound noisy but not fucking all of them smfh.

@@lehtokurppa7824 How does a vinyl arguably produce the best sound? If a CD sounds worse than vinyl, it's almost certainly a technical problem in conversion and not the format's fault itself. A CD file literally by laws of physics should always, always sound equal (if not using the extra space in it) or better than vinyl. PCM doesn't lose details in sound, if anything is damaged or non-existing in the digital version, it's the settings/set up's fault.

⁠@@lehtokurppa7824I use/ listen to all three mediums. I like the sound of Vinyl the best. Streaming is convenient and sounds great, but what many gloss over is that the monthly plans are getting more expensive and most people do not buy the digital album/ songs, and in the unfortunately you have nothing to show for all the money you have spent. $9.99-10.00 a month x 10years that a lot of money, and is what the companies are betting on,…the long run and that most people on average listen to the same songs and albums. Sure you will get outliers in the bell curve, on both sides, but these companies have done the research and know playing/ listening habits. In the long run people are paying and re paying for the same music over and over again. It’s the same concept as unlimited data on cell phone, that’s what most people get, but they hardly use much and on average use the same amount every month and very little of it on average. I use Qobuz to stream music, and the music sounds great, but I have more recently having been thinking getting rid of it and spending the money on buying CD’s, vinyl or even burning the digital albums on cd ( using wav or flac).

Compression only effected some music that was being played on the radio.Not all music on CD.

remaster vinyl sound better than original, what i am noticed, even cd not sound that good, on vinyl is only best sound, not any digital able that, full fact!

It's still present on many commercial CD albums. The loudness wars are still very much alive I'm afraid, although some studios do go to great lengths to avoid it unless the producer demands otherwise.

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I think dynamic range was a consequence of the technology in the 80s. They couldn't accurately measure the dB of the audio, so that's why old CDs never hit -0dB. Also, when you buy a modern song in vinyl, you often find it has more dynamic range for some reason, perhaps the producer uses less limiting for vinyl presses?

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The end game is how well did the engineers do their jobs when it comes to music being transferred from the old studio tapes to CD format? Back in the 70's a group called Iron Butterfly came out with a record titled " Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida" that had wicked 17 minute drum solo on it. I liked it so well I immediately bought my own copy of the record. A few years later, ETCO came out with a CD version of that record. Talk about a train wreck! The background hiss was so bad that a lot of the drums were just overpowered to the point of being inaudible! I had both the vinyl and the reel-to-reel version of that album (and still do) and neither of them had that unbearable hiss! Normally CD's have a very sterile sound but not in this case!

In the 80s sound quality on a record player wasn't as good unless you spent a fortune on a good needle. No scratchy static on cds compared to records they must use some computer technology today on a record player to eliminate the static from scatching. People would pay as much as 1000 dollars for a good needle for a turntable to get the best sound out of a record cds were a cheaper way to get good sound quality and the laser would not wear out the disk on cd players and cds took up less room than records in your stereo cabinet and you could buy a cd player capable of holding as much as a hundred disks so you didn't have to handle your disks once they were in the machine. Today we have a internet and technology to have a music collection in a thumb drive and record player needles can be manufactured a lot cheaper than in the 80s and technology has improved 1000 times what it was like back then a nightclub to get the best sound out of records back in the 70s and 80s would spend thousands of dollars on a good sound system with a top end turntable and cartridge

I guess the question is how much of the feeling is placebo and how much of it is actually a product of the sound coming from the player. I love Vinyl but I still wonder if that's the case sometimes. Objectively the sound of my digital files is fantastic but man I just enjoy sitting in front of my hometheater and putting on a Vinyl,

That's because vinyl retains the ultrasonic frequencies of the musical instruments. CD does not retain those frequencies. That's why CD sounds like crap to many.

Same here!

Try focusing on the music instead. The visuals are a distraction to appreciating find sound. But in regards to suggestions, none from the top of my head, but there are some "high end" top loading players which you can see the CD spinning as well as the player looking like it an expensive, sophisticated piece of equipment. It is the same eye candy approach used for high end turntables because marketing departments understand the psychology of expectation biases and placebo effects which in turn, allows the product to be priced much higher to audiophools than what it's truly worth.

Ryan Barnhart Like what the other guy says just listen to the music. Doesn't matter what you have to do or what it does and just appreciate the music.

Ryan Barnhart try CEC CD players. They are top loaders with visible disc spinning. I have cec CD player and really ritual is like vinyl.

@@xfilesfoxisdead7979 I rather see a record turning than a high revving CD

Uh that's the direct opposite of what's going on now. Vinyls' back baby.

Brian Smith funny how cds are becoming obsolete and vinyls are coming back lol

yeah i know. I guess CD's have been killed off by MP3 and streaming. Nothing against any format of course. They all have their particular purpose.

Vinyl has outlived every medium - and there are LOADS of them - remember the digital mini-disk?

Deaf by Hip-Hop no such thing as “vinyls”.

but then all those high end bullshit artists with their magical snake oil products would go bust

so defensive wonder why ?

Damain Crespo wrong, analog sounds are recorded in 24 bits and a CD can only do 16. So technically the Vynil is still superior because it can play 24 bit quality music, which the CD cannot.

@@Soldano999 And you can tell the difference, right? You're hearing and comprehension is THAT good? Let's play them both and I'll buy you a steak dinner if you get it right 5 out of 7 times which one is which during playback.

@@Soldano999 Talking about bits recorded as a vinyl analogue recording is madness. CD is the superior format with a higher dynamic range and a higher signal to noise ratio, that's an inescapable fact. That doesn't mean a CD recording will be better than Vinyl and could easily be worse but there is no doubt in terms of capability which one is technically superior.

no it has more to do with ongoing digital evolution. 20 years ago CDs were the only practical way of accessing digital audio whereas now you have downloads and streaming for distribution. analog on the other hand is a dead format which stopped evolving decades ago. the ultimate expression of consumer quality analog was the hifi vcr with sound quality specs that almost match the CD. only the inferior record format survives in a niche market as unlike the superior hifi vcr and reel to reel formats, there is plenty of recorded material available.

+Dog &amp; Crow No, the reason why CD sales have slid is because this is no longer the only way consumers can access digital audio. Digital distribution has evolved to downloads and streaming which have now overtaken CD sales. Analog formats are now dead in the sense that they will no longer evolve from here. From that perspective I agree with you that records will remain in existence in a niche market. If there was no digital audio I'm fairly confident records would be have been obsolete by now. Developments in tape technology was increasing at a rapid rate in the 1980s and the HiFi VCR in audio mode was far superior to the record, it even matched the CD on some measurements. In the late 1970s, around the time of the analog video disc and optical record player, there was some talk among the major manufacturers of creating a new optical record format, which would have required changes in record production. This would have been a significant advance in analog records but plans were shelved once the CD was introduced.

Pauldjreadman CDs are outdated. Blu-Rays are the way to go now

Cds slid in selles couse piracy. Period.

When CDs 1st started being made the engineers RESPECTED ... 0db and I have CDs that that further respected as well on the 100% scale the highest was 97% (just under 0db) compression was used VERY sparingly or not at all ... then later on the dynamic range was taken away and what used to be the loudest parts was slammed in the wall that would make Mount Everest cry what used to be very quiet parts was now all up in your ear ... loudness war in only two words

Just because vinyl is your preference doesn't give you the right to decide what format I will eventually buy.

Sadly, a LOT of great music that came out on vinyl, and even a lot that was recorded on the old 8-tracks, never made it to CD format. All of that music is gone, lost forever unless you are lucky enough to have saved your old vinyl records. One sad thing is that these new Crosley Cruisers and others are destroying a lot of good vinyl because people don't know to replace the stylus (needle) periodically. They come with a cheap sapphire and that should be swapped out for a good grade diamond as soon as possible. Doing that periodically will insure that, even as cheaply made as the CC is, it can still give a long life of good vinyl playback.

Yes, 100x more than format wars, when you get a brickwalled new album from a favorite band, there's no hope for it to sound good. You're just left wondering what could have been.

I have analog recordings from the 50s and 60s that kick the living shit out of 99% of the digital recordings made today with, mastered on computers . You cannot replicate the liveliness from listening to an analog recording on an analog format. I do love my sacds though.

I have many records of this era too. I think you'd find they would kick the shit out of 99% of analog recordings made today as well. This is nothing to do with digital/analog per se but rather a reflection of modern mastering techniques. Your SACDs are a case in point. They have been mastered to suit a more audiophile audience but there is no reason why that mastering could not be put on to any other digital format, in fact I have several CDs that sound better than their SACD versions because the later DSD remaster was not done as well.

prep74 I agree, I also find it a bit comical how people talk about how bad CDs used to be, yet people actually in "the know" seek out early CDs because of the lack of compression and the flat transfer. Imo, some of the earliest CDs sound the best compared with today's masters.

hurkamur1 who tf cares about cds or vinyl just get a smartphone and a good sound system. Keep praising the delusional 'good' sound of your vinyl Also this cd mastering debate is absolute bs get real engineers know it better

+Sumanth Bhat You'd be hard pressed to find a turntable with built in speakers that is of an acceptable quality. These cheap turntables often have ceramic cartridges and heavy carts which can damage your records over time. It would be sad to waste your good collection by playing them on such turntables by damaging them while not enjoying any sound quality either. If you don't want to spend much, I'd suggest something around the $300 mark with an in-built phono circuit which would then allow you to plug it straight in to your current stereo.

+mrhoffame Everything that can be heard can be measured and it is. It is typically only charlatans that resort to special pleadings. Having said that I agree that format is not as important as the quality of the recording or the mastering effort that was put into that format which is why I run both digital and high end analog at home.

prep74 Not sure I understand your point, but thanks for replying. Have a great one!

+mrhoffame Basically agreeing with you about not locking yourself in a box, some recordings have been mastered better on vinyl and others have been mastered to take advantage of digital. But also disagreeing with you on the other point that some differences are not measurable. If that was a case we would know what we need to measure and would have come up with something to do so. The only thing that cannot be measured is why some individuals prefer one format over another even if the mastering quality was similar - that belongs in the rapidly growing field of psychoacoustics.

prep74 Maybe I wasn't clear. I'm not saying things are not measurable. What I was saying is that what rings right in one person's ear is not a measurable thing. It is extremely subjective. Kind of like saying you can measure the PSI of a person pressing their hand against your back, but if you ask one person is that massage feels good they say yes. The next person says it's too hard and painful. That is kind of what I think about when people start using measurement to determine what format sounds better it's measurements or if it sounds better are two very different things that get lumped together a lot in the audiophile community.

mrhoffame Sure but don't you agree that there has to be some objective standard of measurement given the preponderance of subjective opinions, particularly when an individual's subjective opinions of audio can change over time and can also be influenced by expectation biases, cognitive dissonance etc? I sort of get what you are saying with the pain example but hard measures such as signal to noise ratio or dynamic range are not based on subjective notions or averages of what a person feel, such as pain; in audio these are precise measurements and used by all hi fi manufacturers when designing and testing their products. They correlate closely with how people perceive sound quality despite some on the outer. For example, I suppose someone can subjectively tolerate a higher noise to signal or lower dynamic range than others in their music, and it may not be tragic, but the higher signal to noise ratio in particular will reduce resolution by masking more of the nuances - that is not a matter of subjective debate, the masking effect is real and if someone subjectively prefers greater masking then it can be confidently stated that they are not really into hi fidelity reproduction than someone who prefers music to be unveiled.

And you're obviously showing your lack of knowledge about what good vinyl sounds like. Hiss isn't specific to records; I've got records where you can hear the tape hiss drop off after the song is over. I also have many records, not all 'audiophile' specific, which don't have pops, crackles or other 'audible noise' any worse than CDs; clearly you don't, so it just means you're not an experienced record user. I don't even have a lot of fancy expensive gear, but I know how to use records and get the most out of them, and I know firsthand that your comment reflects ignorance of the subject. You're talking about bad records and pretending you're talking about ALL records. Well, bad CDs sound much worse than records because they won't even play at all, and a bad record will at least still play.

Lol funny

When you say "you" I presume you mean "I"? I listen to both vinyl and digital at home, some albums sound better on vinyl and others on digital as it always gets down to how well it was mastered. Anyone who claims one always sounds better than the other either has a poor stereo system, poor hearing or simply are not true audiophiles. But the best mastered digital smokes vinyl as it should as there is not even one analog measurement where vinyl matches, let alone exceeds, that of a CD - it is a lower resolution format.

Actually I think a mid rate MP3 is a better format to compare with vinyl as they are similar in resolution. A fairer comparison for lossless digital formats should be the better analog formats such as reel to reel or the hifi VCR - at least their analog output specs are closer.

@@prep74 Everything else you said besides your iditoic last sentence in your first comment is true.

@@bkkersey93 Why is it idiotic? Because objective facts do not align with your beliefs - now that would be idiotic. Vinyl is lower resolution than CD, ie SNR of CD is 92db and dynamic range is 96db compared with vinyl (at best) 60db. Noone with an understanding of audio science or audio engineering would dispute that.

@@prep74 I binned all my MP3 rubbish years ago along with my VHS tapes

The specifications of vinyl might be less but you totally forget that when you actually compare them to each other, a vinyl record also barely gets any damage when the cartridge and tonearm mass matches well and set the tracking force / anti skate right. I don’t know what you’re referring to with ‘limited range’ but in case you mean frequency range that can differ, a vinyl record can have a frequency range of 7hz - 50khz and higher.

And about the turntable, around €200 if you know what you’re buying.

Try checking the record label on the web and visit forums that discuss Vinyl. Google will also be your friend.

See it's so hilarious (in an irritating way) that people like you decide to get your fucked up records and some bullshit excuse for a turntable or cartridge and hear the sound and complain about the sound being crap. Get real!!

Wrong

I understand the argument but even if it is placebo in the end some people (like me) actually likes the sound of vinyl records. It is hard because listening although dependent to sound is different from it as so much as listening is psychoacoustic. Also instead of debating on why digital is a more accurate representation of sound, people should research on why some people "hear" digital music as cold apart from the placebo effect. I'm not sure but apart from the warmth that I feel from listening to analog (which you can explain as placebo) It sounds as if digital music either takes out certain harmonics or frequencies that we cannot hear load enough to accurately tell but we can actually feel. Again this is not an accurate description but this is the most accurate description of what I hear. Again maybe it is just a mixing issue or maybe today's mix is not done with enough care and dynamic range but in the end this is what I perceive. As much as I want the convenience of digital music, it is the feeling of actually listening to the song and feeling something about it that I miss a lot. Something that I just rediscovered after listening to vinyl again (after 20+ years).

Btw sorry for my spelling and grammar. Haha. I can't seem to find the edit button on my iPad.

+Henry Posadas Why do you need to do research on why some people prefer the sound of vinyl? The majority of people, as shown in survey after survey, prefer the more accurate sound of CDs. The technical facts and sonic measures support that CDs sound better. Therefore, a better subject for research which sits better in the realm of psychology than sound science, is why some people that prefer vinyl feel a need to dapple in psuedoscience and magical thinking to justify a legitimate sound preference.

Ummmm no you are absolutely wrong... they will take the loudness war mastered stuff and still put it on vinyl with in vinyl dynamic range I have such a vinyl and I have compared the wave forms and it looks just like the CD copy (viewing the same song of course)

You can’t compress lps or else the needle will jump.

NaturalFork actually many stores are starting to stop selling cds, like target and Best Buy and starting to sell records

It wont

Agreed. But in reality, if one is serious about one's cd-player, it's kind of the same: cleaning cd's, cleaning laserdiode, careful setup, power in question, darkness so light cannot disturb the diode, upgrading a lot of the copmponents inside the player, seperate dac, seperate anti-jitter, reclocking, seperate powerstation and so on. and btw. copies homemade do tend to distort over decades. No protective lacques layer on top. And new factory recorded cd's have small holes in it, so it will destroy at some point in time. I experienced two cd's from 1988 to 2021. That's a very low rate, but it happened. Then there's the "magic" stiff, like green tusch, dampening stickers and what not. Oh, I think it's kind of the same as LP, which btw. is "long playing" (to you guys making the video). I find that LP's doe snot sound better, just different. And why choose a cheesy cd-player, when you know that upsampling and what not kills some of the sound (as demonstrated by say Audio Research)? And why not havea talk about cd player construction in general? Traditional record playback have had a lot moretime to develop and still is. And cd playback kind of had to be perfect from the get go. And in that field a lot have happened too. dac chips, transports, poser supplies and what not. I think, to makea better more complete understnading and to have that debate you have in your video, you need to take some of all these steps to have a far better picture of what's going on and why. Thanks for sharing. Kind regards. ps: I think any serious music listener, should have both a LP player and cd-player at a high level in their system. pps: I like my cassette player too ;)

Reel to Reel used to be the benchmark of hi fidelity reproduction prior to the 1980s. I good quality rtr such as a Studer or TASCAM (I used to have one) would easily outperform a turntable. However they are inconvenient to use, expensive, require regular maintenance and getting good quality pre-recorded material was getting harder as the 1970s progressed. From the 50s/60s it really only appealed to the very high end audiophile or the hobbyist. Your 1985 CD player would probably outperform even the best of the rtr in any analog measurement - though finding well mastered CDs can be a challenge. The rtr was also bettered by the HIFI VCR, though again there was not much pre-recorded material available and by then, digital pretty much took over.

Not so fast, the digitazation back then was crap too. I recently acquired a decent turntable and sound magnificent, but no more than my magnific NAD cd player. As long as they came from the same master they sound the same. The problem is CDs with stupid brick walls as music (loudness wars), there is where vinyls take advantage in therms of sound, but that's something you have to check out by individual album. Each vinyl you want buy for "better sound", find out first if it has a different and better master (death magnetic for example) than the CD, if not, go for the CD, cheaper, and better format. There are of course another reasons you may want one or another, in therms of edition, artwork, etc...

Sure cheap record players will sound bad but if your willing to put some money in to it a new turntable will sound good.as well if it’s not mastered from the tapes it will sound bad

@@baphomet8638 Nope. Vinyl sucks.

@@teresa67factoid95 Just accept the fact that digital isn’t always better lol.

@@philipsfanboy6423 CDs mixed before the loudness wars are far superior in every way to antiquated vinyl. A perfect piece of vinyl deteriorates with every play, and we all know what a scratched piece of vinyl sounds like.

+jtownshend The 2009 CD remasters are currently the definitive version for sound quality. Before the remasters I would have preferred the original early press vinyls for all albums except for the 1987 Sgt Peppers and White Album CDs.

@@lowjamz828 Vinyl is better dude.

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On second thought after skimming through my vinyl copy, I'd say the vinyl is pretty darned good!